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July 30, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 11 Messages in 6 Topics

    David Malmo-Levine <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 28 01:51PM -0700  

    1) Letitia Pepper decided to attack Dr. Grinspoon with "concerns" that,
    upon further analysis, have no basis in reality. Instead of admitting this,
    or even responding in any way shape or form, she's now moved on to
    nit-picking some post regarding whether it's "pure" CBD or just "CBD rich".
     
    2) Letitia Pepper was supposed to have produced some anti-regulation
    diatribe for Cannabis Culture weeks ago. Nothing has materialized.
     
    The conclusion real activists must draw is that this is a lonely woman,
    desperate for attention of any kind. Because her trolling of cannabis
    activist email lists gives her more human interaction than her failed
    political career, she gives it her attention, but as her support from other
    professionals and activists dwindle and her influence wanes, she will
    disappear, like a mosquito who decides to fly away and stop buzzing in your
    ear.
     
    It might be a rude thing to say, but it's the truth. And given the options,
    I would rather be rude than be a liar … or silently watch as a liar
    pontificates about and mischaracterizes a movement I've been helping to
    build for 20 years.

     

    Letitia Pepper <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 28 06:13PM -0700  

          Over the years, I'd already notice that David Malmo Levine has a hard time making a point without being personally insulting.  
          I try not to be personally insulting, but to be pointed.  To me, questioning people's potential hidden agendas in connection with a political issue is not personally insulting, because it is related to the political reasons they make certain claims. 
          When I thought RLMW was designed to take away patients' rights under Prop. 215, and allow the production of GMO, no-THC cannabis, for example, I made comments about its proponent's, Steve Kubby's, ties to the pharmaceutical industry and his work on a "non-toxic" cannabis lozenge, meaning one without THC.  That personal "fact" was relevant to why his initiative appeared to have been written to allow the production of a "GMO," a "genetically-modified organism"  which was once a cannabis plant, but which had been engineered not to produce THC and thus was now a plant which could be technically described as "not cannabis."
         What I often see is that rather than attack my analysis, people who don't like what I have to say about political and legal issues attack ME instead.
         Recently, David Malmo Levine made a point of copying me with an e-mail he sent to savecannabis, a group to which I cannot post, having been 86'd by Dave Hodge after I expressed the opinion that NONE of the 2012 crop of initiatives was good for patients.  (Now, how's that for wanting full and fair discussions of cannabis issues?  I've got years of training doing neutral analyses of such things, but heaven forbid Dave should let anyone have access to comments which might actually influence them to read and think for themselves before circulating these things.)
         But back to David.  His comments, which criticized me for numerous things, included this one:
        
         "The conclusion real activists must draw is that this
    is a lonely woman, desperate for attention of any kind. Because her
    trolling of cannabis activist email lists gives her more human
    interaction than her failed political career, she gives it her
    attention, but as her support from other professionals and activists
    dwindle and her influence wanes, she will disappear, like a mosquito who
    decides to fly away and stop buzzing in your ear."
     
          Sexism is still so pervasive in people like David that he probably doesn't even see it.   But think about this: why is it that the time I spend on line, like David and others, including Bruce and Terry and all, is evidence that I am a "lonely woman," "desperate for attention of any kind"? 
         Does David think, as he indicates, that the only reason that women get involved in political discussions because they are lonely and desperate for attention?  Maybe he thinks that I'm only politically active because I don't have a husband and children to keep me properly occupied, LOL.  (BTW, does anyone know if I do have a husband or children or significant other?   Maybe I do and they are just really pissed off that I'm online instead of baking bread and taking them to the soccer match.)
         I WISH my problem was that I'm lonely; I'd call a friend and go to the movies.  No, the real problem is that after years of working as an attorney and activist in various areas other than cannabis, of watching little special interest groups try to take over non-profit organizations for their own purposes, of watching back-stabbing and plots in workplaces, I can see what's going on and I want to speak up to protect my own rights, and those of people about whom I care.
           My "failed political career" also isn't the problem.  I never intended to become a politician, so it wasn't a failure or a career.  The only reason I have ever run for any office was to have an opportunity to speak out on issues without being censored by the body in charge of the show.  Candidates in local elections have to be given equal time at forums; it's great!  Same with nonprofit organizations, too.
        Example: I belonged to a nonprofit organization that was violating its members' rights.  After attending a board meeting and speaking about this problem, I was told that "if you don't shut up, we have we ways of shutting you up," and sure enough, at the next board meeting someone moved, and seconded, and passed a new "rule" that members attending such meetings could only speak if there was any time "left" after the Board members had spoken as long as THEY wished.
         What did I do?  I ran for a spot on the Board and won.   So the Nazis on the Board couldn't shut me up. 
         In my city, I ran for Mayor, not because I thought I could win (rule one: whoever has the most money wins), but so I could speak at all events about an issue about which the City was lying to people (its plans to close and sell off public pools and parks).  And guess what?  We stopped the sales.  There's a reason they talk about political platforms: you get a platform from which to speak to the public.
         A few years ago, a council member who I'd initially supported turned out to be a dictator of the worst sort.  He did everything he could to restrict public speech and access to public records.  When I couldn't get someone else to run against him, I ran, which in turn prompted two other people to run, too. And guess what?  I got what I (and my neighbors) wanted: him out of office.
         It's always "easy" to call someone a "failure" when you have no idea what they were trying to do.  It's also one of the meanest things you can say about someone: he's a failure.  So David, in addition to being a chauvinist, is a mean chauvinist.
          One of my college professors was a chauvinist, who would laugh at some of the really sexist Greek stuff he made us read out loud in class.  So one day, I took the reading he assigned me to read out loud, and just changed the gender references as I read.  He crossed the classroom so fast I didn't even see him before he snatched the book out of my hands!  He was so mad I thought he'd have a stroke.   Things aren't so funny when they could apply to YOU, are you, I said.  (And got the first and only "B" I ever got in an English class, but the admiration of my classmates.)
         So, what would David's comments look like, reversed a bit?
     
      "The conclusion real activists must draw is that David Malmo Levine
    is a lonely man, desperate for attention of any kind. Because his
    trolling of cannabis activist email lists gives him more human
    interaction than his failed political career (as the Director of Activist Communications for the late and unlamented RMLW), he gives it his
    attention, but as his support from other professionals and activists
    dwindles (and people question his support of bad initiatives like RMLW and his love of taxation and regulation of a PLANT) and his influence wanes, he will disappear, like a mosquito who
    decides to fly away and stop buzzing in your ear."
     
     
      
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    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 29 07:12PM -0700  

    Is RESCHEDULING what we REALLY want?
    Posted by Mickey Martin on June 6th, 2011
    So the big buzz in the industry is a push to get cannabis rescheduled. On the surface it sounds great. It would bring legitimacy to the industry and allow for research to happen more easily. Those aspects are awesome. There is nothing I would like more than to believe that rescheduling would solve all of the problems of the medical cannabis community. But then I ask myself…..”What does a rescheduled cannabis market look like?”
    It seems like some are under the impression that a rescheduled cannabis market would mean all dispensaries would suddenly become legal and patients would be able to cultivate cannabis freely for their medical use. NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. Chances are, quite the opposite effect would happen. Medical cannabis could be swallowed up by deep pocket companies that would use their lobbying power to ensure that no cannabis could be produced that was not done by licensed corporations and you can be sure that the licensing process would be so restrictive and expensive that ONLY a major drug company could cut the mustard. In turn, your cannabis could also be extremely expensive. Much like people are not allowed to produce their own Vicodin or grow their own opium to make Morphine, cannabis too could become an extremely restricted substance that could only be purchased through a pharmacy. In turn, production of this drug by non-licensed persons could
    become “counterfeiting prescription drugs,” a charge that carries with it a ten year mandatory minimum. So the question I have is, “Why is this the MAJOR focus of our movement, when it is clear that it will most likely destroy the fabric of our community and place our beloved plant in the hands of the enemy only?”
    I obviously believe cannabis SHOULD be rescheduled, but in all honesty, it would seem like a losing scenario for the multitudes of folks who currently provide cannabis medicines, and could decimate the current systems of safe access that have been, or are in the process of being, implemented. To me, without a clear push for legalization, rescheduling becomes another tool, in which the drug warriors can use to further marginalize the hard work this industry has done thus far. It could destroy any chance of patients being able to cultivate and possess cannabis under the current system, as the system could be transfered to big business. The multitudes of small producers that currently earn a living by producing cannabis for patients would cease to exist and we would be left with a homogenized and limited supply of pharmaceutical cannabis that was only available under the strictest of distribution systems. It begs me to wonder why our movement is working
    so diligently to make this happen, when it is not seemingly in our best interest. It is the old rock and a hard place.
    Sure…I want the Government to recognize that cannabis is a legitimate medicine and for people to have access to this great medicine in EVERY state; but although access would seem to be more readily available Nationwide as a result, it could be access to limited genetics, limited diversity, limited quality, and a supply that is dictated not by people who love this plant, but by companies that love money. We could essentially be outlawing the current systems in California and Colorado, and the systems being developed elsewhere, for a system dictated by the very same big business lobbying groups that have kept cannabis illegal and on the black market for all of these years. Is this REALLY what we want?
    My view is this…..Rescheduling should happen for sure, but I do not think it is a great use of this industry’s resources to push for that, as we will probably not be thrilled with the result of it. What we should be focusing on is ensuring that cannabis for medical and enjoyable use are the focal point of our efforts, and begin asking for what we really want…FREEDOM. We should never go into a negotiation looking for the bare minimum. That is a sad strategy. Rescheduling should be a given. It is unconscionable for the Government to continue their  lies and deceit in this area and Joe Public knows that. The toothpaste is out of the tube so to speak. So unless we are looking for some moral victory that would essentially crush the movement we have created, this alone is a losing battle IMO. When we free the plant from the clutches of tyranny and demand that the government re-legalize cannabis for adult use, thus removing the stigma of it being
    a criminal act altogether, then the rescheduling of cannabis becomes an easy goal to achieve. Rescheduling alone seems like another road block and a PYRRHIC VICTORY. Is this what we really want?
    If it is not what you REALLY want then quit wasting time, energy, and money asking for it. Ask for what we really want. To be treated like real human beings and to be free to use cannabis (medically or not) without fearing to be arrested, jailed, and treated like a second class citizen. Until we have that accomplished, the rescheduling of cannabis will simply be another road block to real cannabis freedom. Thanks for throwing me a bone, but I will continue to ask for what I think should be the real message….“The Government has no right to tell me that I am a criminal for growing, possessing, and using a safe and enjoyable plant.” Anything less is a failure to communicate our real wants and needs.
    UPDATE: As the great Don Wirtshafter of Common Sense for Drug Policy pointed out to me…. ”DESCHEDULING should be our mantra….” I am with him. DESCHEDULE CANNABIS TODAY! That I can get behind 100%….
    (“would” has been changed to “could” for a more accurate response and less doom and gloom)
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
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    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***

     

 

 

    David Malmo-Levine <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 29 04:10PM -0700  

    "And it appears, with each passing day, that more and more activists are
    reaching a similar conclusion."
     
    Nearly everyone (except for folks like you and Letitia – people who talk
    lots but don't do anything) support some taxes and some regulations.
     
    I don't know of anyone who has come out with an intellectual defence of an
    argument against the type of regulations that would prevent someone spiking
    hash with heroin or cutting it with shoe-polish.
     
    And even the mighty Jack Herer wasn't against taxes in any of the
    initiatives he signed his name to.
     
    Unlike yourself, I feel it's better to focus on eliminating monopoly – the
    real problem – rather than focus on the impossible and irrational task of
    eliminating the kind of taxes that pay for the post office, roads,
    hospitals, the fire department etc etc etc and the type of regulations that
    are found in today's organic food movement. Minimum taxation and minimum
    regulation make sense – unless you're a zealot who doesn't live in the real
    world. Where is this country that gets by without any taxes whatsoever? You
    should just move there instead of attack anyone who wants to be a pot
    activist in the real world.
     
     
     
     
     
     

     

    "Don E Wirtshafter" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 30 10:42AM +0200  

    I usually know better than to respond to a troll. But Letitia continues to
    put out total bullshit even though she has been called on it several times.
    Letitia tries hard to come across as reasonable and logical, but her line of
    fabrications just does not stop. So I will once again point out this paper
    tiger is out of her mind and should be ignored.
     

     
     
    Did anyone notice that Mr. Kenoyer didn't answer a very simple
    question: where did he get pure CBD?
     
    [DEW:] Kenoyer did not say he got "pure" CBD. He was talking about a 21:1
    ratio, what should be expected from homozygous CBD plants. Some CBD will
    always change to THC in the sun.
     

     
    If you're going to make claims about what "pure CBD" can do, you should be
    ready to demonstrate that that is what you actually used . . . .
     
    [DEW:] He did not say pure CBD.
     
     
    Don't forget, Big Pharma and Big Biotech already have developed GMO
    cannabis with a knock-out gene for THC.
     
    [DEW:] This is the bullshit that bothers me. Letitia used these lies before
    and several of us called her out on it. Letitia could not come up with one
    factoid that pointed out that anyone, anywhere had ever created GMO
    cannabis. Yes she continues to spread this destructive rumor. Stop this
    Letitia, it is veggie libel, and disrespects the plant.
     

     
    Letitia, your ramblings here only demonstrate you do not have a clue about
    botany or Cannabis breeding. CBD comes from GMO manipulation?, sorry no. I
    suggest you start with this article: The Inheritance of Chemical Phenotype
    in Cannabis sativa L. by Etienne P. M. de Meijer, et al.
    http://www.genetics.org/content/163/1/335.full
     

     
    Letitia, if you can read and understand this article and will explain what
    it taught you in a post, I can help you with some more science to bring you
    up to speed. I recommend this seminal article to anyone else who does not
    understand Cannabis genetics.
     

     
    Part of any marketing strategy for this less-effective cannabis is going to
    be to convince people that THC is BAD, and CBD is GOOD, and that THC is just
    for getting high, nothing else.
     
    [DEW:] Nobody is saying CBD makes less effective cannabis except you. CBD
    is a highly effective medicine in its own right.
     
     
    Because THC is part of the mix that prevents and cures cancer, and Big
    Pharma can't stand the loss of so much income over the long haul.
     
    [DEW:] This has nothing to do with big Pharma, Letitia. You have a big
    imagination. The big Pharma boogieman is coming to take your Cannabis away?
    Better stash a few hundred pounds in your basement and buy guns to defend it
    from the big Pharma police who know where you live.
     

     
    I am really tired of your crap. Get real.
     

     

    Chris Kenoyer/OLP <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 30 03:17AM -0700  

    Good Morning Everyone;
     
    I noticed that when she asked what my agenda was?
     
    It shut her up REAL FAST!
     Here Is MY Agenda
    Operation 10% "Adopt A Low Income" Sick Or Terminal Medical Marijuana Patients!
    Kind Of "Operation Pay It Forward!" Your Good Karma From Donating Just 10% Of Your Meds! Or Harvest. To
    A Low Income Sick Or Terminal Patient! From Your Own Town Or Area. The Low Income Sick & Terminal Medical
    Marijuana Patients Need Safe, Legal, & Affordable Access To The Medical Cannabis They All Desperately Seek And
    Need To Have! & It Will Always Get You Tons Of Positive Good Karma! "And Your Own Positive Good Karma"
     Always Gets Returned To You 100 Fold!
     
    Peace & Love To All The Patients
    Sincerely Chris Kenoyer
    s..s@a2c2.us
     
    & I Challenge ANYONE to find something wroung with "Adopting & Helping For Free Low Income Sick Medical Patients..?"
     
    And about Where & How I get my CBD Infused  Oilve Oil..?
     
    Excuse Me! But I Dont List "My Connections Publicly!"
     
    Does anyone "In Their Right Mind" post their connections infomation PUBLICLY!
     
    And With The "CBD's Infused IN Oilve Oil" It naturally is NOT Pure CBD!
     
    Thanks Don for the link that you provided everyone!
     
    It will get posted on my website!
     
    I love fresh input! 🙂
     
    & After working online for over 13+ Years Now Helping SICK PATIENTS!
     
    I Still Know A Troll When I See & Hear One!
     
    Stay Well & Stay Safe Everyone
    Sincerely
    Chris Kenoyer
    A Proud Cannabis Warrior!
     
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    I usually know better than to respond to a troll.  But Letitia continues to put out total bullshit even though she has been called on it several times.  Letitia tries hard to come across as reasonable and logical, but her line of fabrications just does not stop.  So I will once again point out this paper tiger is out of her mind and should be ignored.
     
           Did anyone notice that Mr. Kenoyer didn't answer a very simple question: where did he get pure CBD? 
    [DEW:] Kenoyer did not say he got “pure” CBD.  He was talking about a 21:1 ratio, what should be expected from homozygous CBD plants.  Some CBD will always change to THC in the sun.
     
    If you're going to make claims about what "pure CBD" can do, you should be ready to demonstrate that that is what you actually used . . . .
    [DEW:] He did not say pure CBD. 
     
        Don't forget, Big Pharma and Big Biotech already have developed GMO cannabis with a knock-out gene for THC. 
    [DEW:] This is the bullshit that bothers me.  Letitia used these lies before and several of us called her out on it.  Letitia could not come up with one factoid that pointed out that anyone, anywhere had ever created GMO cannabis.  Yes she continues to spread this destructive rumor.  Stop this Letitia, it is veggie libel, and disrespects the plant.
     
    Letitia, your ramblings here only demonstrate you do not have a clue about botany or Cannabis breeding.  CBD comes from GMO manipulation?, sorry no.  I suggest you start with this article:The Inheritance of Chemical Phenotype in Cannabis sativa L. by Etienne P. M. de Meijer, et al. http://www.genetics.org/content/163/1/335.full 
     
    Letitia, if you can read and understand this article and will explain what it taught you in a post, I can help you with some more science to bring you up to speed.  I recommend this seminal article to anyone else who does not understand Cannabis genetics.
     
    Part of any marketing strategy for this less-effective cannabis is going to be to convince people that THC is BAD, and CBD is GOOD, and that THC is just for getting high, nothing else.
    [DEW:] Nobody is saying CBD makes less effective cannabis except you.  CBD is a highly effective medicine in its own right.
     
         Because THC is part of the mix that prevents and cures cancer, and Big Pharma can't stand the loss of so much income over the long haul.
    [DEW:] This has nothing to do with big Pharma, Letitia.  You have a big imagination.  The big Pharma boogieman is coming to take your Cannabis away?  Better stash a few hundred pounds in your basement and buy guns to defend it from the big Pharma police who know where you live.
     
    I am really tired of your crap.  Get real.

     

 

    s..s@a2c2.us Jul 30 01:57PM  

    Don:
     
    You splitting hairs here.
     
    The real issue is, and remains, whether Cannabis should be handed over to the government and Big Pharma. Everything else is quite moot in my estimation. Had it not been for Letitia's legal analysis during our campaign against Prop19 it is quite possible it would have passed. And that would have been disastrous to the million home growers. You know, those "black market criminals" DeAngelo wants to eliminate in order to persue this "pipe dream" of monopolizing the production and distribution of Cannabis at Harborside.
     
    DeAngello even went further off the deep end when Obama came to town, insisting that Obama should go after those gun toting criminals. Yet not a word about the fact that Obama attempted to eviscerate the rights of Cannabis Consumers to own a fucking gun.
     
    I don't currently own a gun. I abhor guns. But because I'm fairly sure the economy is going to collapse next year I will soon be the owner of a gun. And there is no doubt that Obama is carrying out Agenda21's disarmament policy because when he cuts back the entitlement programs in 2013 there could very well be a blood bath taking place in America. This ultimate "Bankster Bailout" will be the last straw and he knows it. And so does Romney and his handlers. As you all know this crazy man (that would be me) believes that we are at the End Game in America. 2013 begins the administration of the bitter medicine and an official end to whatever vestiges of the American Dream that still exist. Oh, yeah, it may take 5 years . . . but things are going to start really getting both ugly and unsettling beginning in January 2013 when, regardless of who wins, they start gutting our entitlements.
     
    At any rate that is about all the "Marijuana Talk" I can stomach this morning.
     
    I want every activist to read the following article and realize just how insane the "Big Picture" reality of the War on Drugs (e.g. US) has become over the last 50 years.
     
    This is one great "big picture" analysis of WHY the Drug War is a farce. As DeCosto, head of the UN's Drug Policy Group said a few years ago: the only thing keeping the world economy afloat is the laundering of illicit drugs. And every recent president is complicit from Raygun onward. Bottom line? It is not a War on Drugs . . . it is a War on US!
     
    c-i-a-the-mafia-then-now
    http://generalstrikeusa.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/c-i-a-the-mafia-then-now/
     
    I've been talking with Donna Lambert and other "no tax, no regulate" folk lately. In the early 90's I started IDPD (International Drug Policy Day) which predated Dana Beals "Global Marijuana March by about 8 years. I believe IDPD was the first International Grass Root protest against the "War on US." Since the "War on US" is international in scope I'm beginning to think what we really need is a Global organizational effort.
     
    I will be the first to admit that my presidential aspirations are my personal "pipe dream." Obviously I have no chance within this 3 months time frame. But let us look ahead. Let us unite at the state, national and international level. Let us leverage the Internet for all it is worth. And finally let us get some fucking "change we can really believe in,."
     
    Bruce W. Cain
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:42:21 AM
     
     
     
     
    I usually know better than to respond to a troll. But Letitia continues to put out total bullshit even though she has been called on it several times. Letitia tries hard to come across as reasonable and logical, but her line of fabrications just does not stop. So I will once again point out this paper tiger is out of her mind and should be ignored.
     
     
     
    Did anyone notice that Mr. Kenoyer didn't answer a very simple question: where did he get pure CBD ?
     
    [DEW:] Kenoyer did not say he got “pure” CBD. He was talking about a 21:1 ratio, what should be expected from homozygous CBD plants. Some CBD will always change to THC in the sun.
     
     
     
    If you're going to make claims about what "pure CBD" can do, you should be ready to demonstrate that that is what you actually used . . . .
     
    [DEW:] He did not say pure CBD.
     
     
    Don't forget, Big Pharma and Big Biotech already have developed GMO cannabis with a knock-out gene for THC.
     
    [DEW:] This is the bullshit that bothers me. Letitia used these lies before and several of us called her out on it. Letitia could not come up with one factoid that pointed out that anyone, anywhere had ever created GMO cannabis. Yes she continues to spread this destructive rumor. Stop this Letitia, it is veggie libel, and disrespects the plant.
     
     
     
    Letitia, your ramblings here only demonstrate you do not have a clue about botany or Cannabis breeding. CBD comes from GMO manipulation?, sorry no. I suggest you start with this article: The Inheritance of Chemical Phenotype in Cannabis sativa L. by Etienne P. M. de Meijer , et al. http://www.genetics.org/content/163/1/335.full
     
     
     
    Letitia, if you can read and understand this article and will explain what it taught you in a post, I can help you with some more science to bring you up to speed. I recommend this seminal article to anyone else who does not understand Cannabis genetics.
     
     
     
    Part of any marketing strategy for this less-effective cannabis is going to be to convince people that THC is BAD, and CBD is GOOD, and that THC is just for getting high, nothing else.
     
    [DEW:] Nobody is saying CBD makes less effective cannabis except you. CBD is a highly effective medicine in its own right.
     
     
    Because THC is part of the mix that prevents and cures cancer, and Big Pharma can't stand the loss of so much income over the long haul.
     
    [DEW:] This has nothing to do with big Pharma, Letitia. You have a big imagination. The big Pharma boogieman is coming to take your Cannabis away? Better stash a few hundred pounds in your basement and buy guns to defend it from the big Pharma police who know where you live.
     
     
     
    I am really tired of your crap. Get real.
     

     

    "andrew garret" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 29 09:17PM -0700  

    LEGALIZE CANNABIS LAW SUIT
     
    Does anyone out there want to take part in a lawsuit against the Federal
    Government to legalize Medical Cannabis. The basic facts of the lawsuit
    are as follows:
     
    [A] According to the US constitution: Article VI, Clause 2 :
    This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be
    made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be
    made, under the Authority of the United States, SHALL BE THE SUPREME
    LAW OF THE LAND; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby,
    any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary
    notwithstanding.
     
    Note the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND wording.
     
     
    [B] – NEXT, ALL drug control treaties that the US has signed including:
    — Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs of 1961
    — Convention on Psychotropic Substances of 1971
    — United Nations Convention against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and
    Psychotropic Substances of 1988
     
    ALL of them make exceptions for Medical Use
     
     
    [C] The U.S. has signed numerous treaties that guaranteeing the right of
    people to be allowed to seek out medical treatment etc.
     
     
    THEREFORE the Federal Governments anti-Medical Marihuana laws are illegal
    etc., etc.
     
     
    IF ANYONE SEES AN ERROR IN THIS LOGIC, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. And GRANTED
    given the power the narc’s can come down with, I don’t think this thing
    has a ghost of a chance, but who knows, it might be worth a shot.
     
     
    Antique Andy
     
     
     
     
     
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July 29, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 7 Messages in 2 Topics

    LANNYSWERDLOW <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 29 02:22PM -0700  

    The mother of a busted and in jail collective operator and the sponsor of Oregon’s legalization initiative that will appear on the November ballot are the featured guests on the 6 p.m. Monday, July 30 broadcast and simulcast of Marijuana Compassion and Common Sense.
     
    After 15 years of unsuccessful attempts, Paul Stanford, director of The Hemp and Cannabis Foundation which operates the THCF Medical Clinics found in many states that have legalized the medical use of marijuana, has finally qualified the Oregon Cannabis Tax Act (OCTA) for the November ballot. With Washington and Colorado already on board with their legalization initiatives, this makes three legalization initiatives that will be voted on this November. Paul will speak about what OCTA does as well as offer some choice comments on the ferocious editorial written in opposition to the initiative in Portland’s daily newspaper, the Oregonian.
     
    Our second featured guest is Terry Sandusky – mother of Aaron Sandusky who operated the G3 collective in Upland and two others. Although everyone caught up in the federal raid has been released, Aaron still languishes in jail over some arcane bail issues. Hear how this cruel imprisonment has effected Aaron’s family and what they are doing about it.
     
    Hear Paul Stanford and Terry Sandusky this Monday, July 30 at 6 p.m. on Marijuana Compassion and Common Sense on IE Talk Radio station KCAA 1050 AM and simulcast at www.kcaaradio.com. Tune in every Monday at 6 p.m. for news, views, humor and insightful interviews of informative guests on the subject dear to your existence – marijuana.

     

 

July 28, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 11 Messages in 2 Topics

    David Malmo-Levine <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 27 01:41PM -0700  

    "I don't dislike Lester as a person, but I vehemently disagree with his
    apparent agenda to cede control to Big Pharma."
     
    It's only "apparent" to people who don't bother to actually read anything
    Dr. Grinspoon has written on the subject:
     
     
    Patented Pot vs. the Herbal Gold Standard
    By David Malmo-Levine – Wednesday, September 23 2009
    FOLLOW:
     
    – BIOPIRACY <http://www.cannabisculture.com/taxonomy/term/1765>
    – CANNABIS <http://www.cannabisculture.com/taxonomy/term/168>
    – ETHICS <http://www.cannabisculture.com/taxonomy/term/1766>
    – GRINSPOON <http://www.cannabisculture.com/taxonomy/term/1762>
    – GW PHARMACEUTICAL <http://www.cannabisculture.com/taxonomy/term/1761>
    – MALMO-LEVINE <http://www.cannabisculture.com/taxonomy/term/301>
    – MONOPOLY <http://www.cannabisculture.com/taxonomy/term/1767>
    – PATENTS <http://www.cannabisculture.com/taxonomy/term/1760>
    – RUSSO <http://www.cannabisculture.com/taxonomy/term/1763>
    – SATIVEX <http://www.cannabisculture.com/taxonomy/term/1764>
     
    This is the longer version of an article that appeared in the 35th
    anniversary issue of High Times magazine – Lester and I were told that the
    original version would be put up on their website but so far they haven't
    done so and we both felt the information was too important to keep to
    ourselves any longer so here it is!
     
    Patented Pot vs. the Herbal Gold Standard
     
    How patented marijuana strains and medicines may threaten the
    re-legalization movement, curb information sharing, set up a monopoly for
    certain breeders and medicine producers and limit users to a more expensive
    and inferior product. Their economic value to the pharmaceutical houses
    which produce them will be directly proportional to the severity of the
    prohibition against the use of cannabis.
     
    By Lester Grinspoon and David Malmo-Levine
     
    "Moreover the riches of the earth are for all …"
    Ecclesiastes 5:9, the Peshitta (Aramaic Bible)
     
    "That we may work in righteousness, and lay the Foundation of making the
    Earth a Common Treasury for All, both Rich and Poor …"
    – Gerrard Winstanley; The True Levellers Standard Advanced, April 20, 1649
     
    "There is no patent. Could you patent the sun?"
    – Jonas Salk on why he would not patent the polio vaccine
     
    A split in the marijuana community
     
    During the last decade a split has developed within the marijuana
    community. One group is comprised of those who believe that the community's
    interests are best served by patenting marijuana strains and marijuana
    medicines in order to make them safer, more effective, more legitimate,
    more understood or, perhaps most importantly, more readily accessible since
    they will be legally available. The other group consists of those who
    believe that smoked cannabis is the "gold standard" ; the safest, cheapest
    and, largely because of the ease with which it can be titrated, the most
    effective form cannabis medicine will take. This second group denies any
    real advantage of marijuana patents to the consumer, challenges any claim
    of exclusive rights of the first group to sell a particular strain and
    opposes the exploitation of a combination of patents and prohibition to
    force consumers to settle for an inferior product.
     
    Within the first group we find those such as Britain's GW Pharmaceutical,
    who (with the help of pharmaceutical-giant Bayer) is now selling their
    whole-plant cannabis spray Sativex. This group also includes the
    Toronto-based Cannasat Therapeutics, The Nevada-based Dynamic Alert Ltd and
    various other smaller operations. These companies are looking to patent
    cannabis medicines, strains of cannabis or both – if they haven't already
    done so.
     
    Even the US government has gotten in on the action. Patent #6,630,507 was
    awarded to the US Department of Health and Human Services in 2003, and
    states that cannabinoids are neuroprotectants and anti-inflammitory agents,
    useful in the prevention and treatment of stroke, trauma, auto-immune
    disorders, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and HIV dementia as well as many other
    diseases.
     
    GW Pharmaceutical was granted a license to grow cannabis for medical
    research in 1998 and it's partner Bayer was granted a patent for Sativex in
    2006. Sativex is a cannabis tincture mouth-spray with a THC/CBD ratio of
    approximately 1:1. The tincture takes 15 to 40 minutes to take effect.
    Sativex comes in a 5.5 ml spray bottle for $125 dollars Canadian (currently
    around $102 dollars US), which supplies about 51 sprays – enough for an
    average ten day supply. It is now available in Canada for MS and cancer
    pain, and has most recently become available in Britain and parts of Spain
    for use in the treatment of some other symptoms and syndromes.
     
    GW Pharmaceutical has even patented a strain of cannabis – "Grace" – in
    Canada. It was patented in 2005 under the Plant Breeders' Rights Act. Under
    this 1994 Act, all plant species (except algae, bacteria, and fungi) are
    eligible for "protection" (exclusive rights to sell) for 18 years. Medicine
    patents last between ten to twenty years depending on the country – it's
    usually closer to twenty, as it is presently in the United States.
     
    In the August 1st, 1998 issue of the British based Pharmaceutical Journal,
    GW's Executive Chairman Dr. Geoffrey Guy mentioned the fact that "at some
    stage a comparison of new delivery routes and smoking cannabis might have
    to be performed, although this would obviously be controversial." When
    asked about such comparative studies in early 2004, GW Senior Medical
    Advisor Dr. Ethan Russo stated that none were planned.
     
    Safety and efficacy – synthetics vs. botanicals
     
    Proponents of plant and medicine patents contend that there's no
    controversy, that patents encourage innovation as it covers the costs of
    research and development, that standardization and research are impossible
    without patents, that patents create products superior to traditional
    botanical medicines, that crude plant drugs are more dangerous and less
    effective than patented plant products and that patenting cannabis
    medicines will speed up their legalization – or at the very least expand
    the number of people who have access to cannabis medicine. The evidence
    proves otherwise.
     
    Pharmaceutical giants like Parke-Davis & Co, Merck, Eli Lilly, Upjohn,
    Wyeth, and Sharp & Dohme all made lots of money and undertook considerable
    research with unpatented botanical medicines – including cannabis, opium
    and coca medicines. The expensive "safety and efficacy" protocols that
    synthetic medicines currently must go through in order to get approved were
    instituted as a result of sales of untested toxic synthetics such as Elixir
    of Sulfanilimide in 1936 and the deformed-baby-causing Thalidomide in 1960.
    Herbs had nothing to do with the creation of these protocols.
     
    Herbal marihuana has, through the massive numbers of testimonials written
    about it by both patients and doctors, in effect, been thoroughly
    clinically tested over centuries. Consequently it does not require require
    the same testing as new compounds any more than does aspirin which since
    the beginning of the 20th century has become well known as an efficacious
    and safe medicine, but has never been put to the same risk-benefit analysis
    required of new synthetics. As the patentable synthetics began to compete
    with the unpatentable botanicals, the botanicals were abandoned – sometimes
    because of Western ignorance surrounding the proper cultivation and use of
    these botanicals, but mostly because the profit margins were not as high as
    those for the patentables. In the particular case of marijuana, the 1937
    Marijuana Tax Act sealed its demise as a botanical medicine.
     
    Herbs are the number one source of medicine for 80% of the world's
    population according to the World Trade Organization. According to former
    United States Department Of Agriculture botanical expert James Duke, drugs
    kill over 100,000 people every year in the US, while herbs kill less than
    50. Given all the recalled synthetics up to the present day – Baycol,
    Bextra and Vioxx (to name three of many) – one has to wonder about the
    reliability of the current system of drug testing.
     
    The "scientific method" that isn't
     
    Ethan Russo, an employee of GW Pharmaceuticals , writing for the on-line
    journal "Cannabinoids", listed the benefits of pharmaceuticalized cannabis
    medicines in his article "Cannabinoid Medicine and the Need for the
    Scientific Method". They are; 1) pharmaceuticalized cannabis products will
    gain widespread trust of physicians and medical consumers, 2) crude herbal
    materials can't be standardized, 3) smoked cannabis causes coughing and
    "cytological alterations", 4) sharing joints can lead to sharing diseases,
    5) even vaporization is inefficient, unpredictable and unsafe, 6) there's
    not enough evidence of smoked cannabis working, 7) the FDA will not accept
    the type of evidence that exists regarding the efficacy of smoked cannabis,
    8) it is difficult to establish the dose of smoked cannabis, 9) crude
    herbal materials are full of micro-organisms and 10) most of the non-GW
    Pharmaceuticals strains of cannabis have no CBD in them.
     
    In our view none of Russo's claims are not accurate; 1) the pharmaceutical
    industry is currently losing the trust of consumers as herbal medicines
    make a comeback, 2) "crude herbal materials" can easily be standardized
    without patents if the herb is legal and regulated , 3) more potent
    products such as bubblehash and devices such as water-pipes and vaporizers
    reduce coughing – there's no evidence that the "cytological alterations"
    are anything other than a slight color alteration, a manifestation of
    bronchial irritation , 4) there are devices such as chillums and techniques
    for holding joints that can eliminate the spread of disease through
    preventing the spread of saliva, 5) there's no evidence that smoke and/or
    vaporization is inferior to oral sprays because GW and Bayer will not do
    comparative studies, 6) US and Canadian governments have suppressed most
    studies on smoked marijuana but there are thousands of anecdotal accounts,
    and those thousands of stories collectively comprise a clinical
    bibliography more comprehensive than that of any synthetic, 7) the FDA has
    never required controlled experiments to recognize the therapeutic
    potential of chloral hydrate, barbiturates, aspirin, curare, insulin, or
    penicillin, 8) it is much easier to control the dose of smoked cannabis
    than oral sprays because the effects of smoked cannabis take 1 to 5 minutes
    to work and sprays take 15 to 40 minutes to work, 9) properly grown organic
    cannabis is relatively free of microbes and metals, and 10) if cannabis
    were legal, those high CBD strains would be more easily circulated among
    all breeders.
     
    Protecting extensive investments
     
    "To protect our extensive investment, we have sought to identify and patent
    certain inventions throughout the growing, extraction and manufacturing
    process. My comments to Mr. Lucas were made as a friendly and, hopefully,
    helpful gesture as I did not wish him to invest a great amount of effort
    into obtaining approval for a product as a prescription medicine only to
    find that he did not have the freedom to operate in the first place."
    – Dr. Geoffrey Guy to Author Brian Preston, published in The Walrus, 2005
     
    Even before GW and Bayer had secured their patent on Sativex, Dr. Guy was
    already threatening to sue Philippe Lucas of the Vancouver Island
    Compassion Society for infringing Sativex's imminent patent with VICS's
    "Canna-Mist" spray. Just type "Bayer" and "patent" into Google (over two
    million sites) if you want evidence of Bayer's habit of suing at the drop
    of a hat for all sorts of patent-related matters.
     
    Evidence of an attempted Canadian medical marijuana monopoly began back in
    2000, with a leaked, unpublished document entitled "Draft Statement of Work
    for The Development of a Comprehensive Operation for the Cultivation and
    Fabrication of Marijuana in Canada". The plan called for a seed monopoly –
    "a licit source" only – and the eventual phase-out of all but a
    pharmaceutical "inhaler" device. According to the anonymous source who
    leaked the document, the first version of the plan also called for cannabis
    strains to be patented "as if they had been genetically modified". It
    appears that GW Pharmaceutical and Bayer have now done so … with "Grace".
     
    There is a story going around that a certain researcher for the big
    pharmaceutical companies knows about the connection between the
    corn-shrinking cannabis medicines of the past and the tumor-shrinking
    effects of cannabis – but the corporation won't let the researcher publish
    this information because it's "proprietary".
     
    There are many herbal medicines that have successfully fought off attempted
    patents and monopolies. The anti-bacterial neem tree and even the
    vision-producing ayahuasca have all been subjects of patent attempts. Neem
    tree activists have used defenses such as "traditional knowledge" and
    "prior art" and "community heritage" in order to legally protect their
    healing tree from monopoly. Unfortunately, the patent on a strain of
    ayahuasca remains in effect to this day.
     
    From cannabis monopolies come cannabis prohibitions
     
    Cannabis monopolies are nothing new. One can argue that the prohibition of
    Moses's holy kanneh-bosm annointing oil – found in Exodus 30:32 – a
    prohibition for people other than priests and kings – was a type of
    cannabis monopoly. When botanical medicine became popular again in the
    fourteen hundreds, women healers were first called "unschooled" and later
    called "witches" to prevent them from competing with the newly emerging
    male pharmacists. The same thing happened in the mid eighteen hundreds,
    except this time instead of "witches", these botanical healers were called
    "quacks".
     
    The modern version of this monopoly began in 1910 with the Flexner Report –
    a report that succeeded in closing down all the naturopathic and herbal
    medicine schools by the 1930's. This report was partially engineered by the
    Rockefeller Foundation. The removal of these schools would assist the
    Rockefeller family in protecting their investments in pharmaceuticals from
    botanical competition. The Rockefeller Institute and Rockefeller Foundation
    were also key players in the development of the sciences of genetics and
    molecular biology – the fields in which the concepts of patenting of
    life-forms originated. Standard Oil – now Exxon/Mobil and a host of other
    oil companies – was the Rockefeller Foundation's source of income.
    Interestingly, in 1927 Standard Oil became business partners with Bayer –
    the marketer and distributor of Sativex in Canada.
     
    Bayer had much to do with the development of the Codex global anti-herbs
    and anti-vitamin regulations. This was instituted in 1961, coincidentally
    (or perhaps not) around the same time as the Single Convention on Narcotic
    Drugs was instituted and the first Plant Patent Act was created.
     
    What we know for certain is that nobody should have a monopoly on the
    emerging herbal health-care economy – especially corporations like Bayer
    and Exxon, who have had questions raised about the amount of influence they
    have welded in geopolitics, and what they've done with that influence.
     
    When the modern patent was issued in the 1400's in Italy, they were for
    "new and inventive devices". This soon turned into a big money maker for
    kings and queens, who would issue patents for such things as salt. After a
    public outcry, James the first of England was forced to revoke all existing
    monopolies and declare that they were only to be used for 'projects of new
    invention'. It can be argued that a similar reform is due again today.
     
    Perhaps lessons can be learned from those within the medical profession who
    have tried to pass off discoveries as inventions, and those who

     

 

    Letitia Pepper <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 27 06:13PM -0700  

    1) If Dr. Grinspoon is THE voice against the pharma-ization of cannabis, then please provide us with citations to his most RECENT
    comments specifically opposing pharma-tization, instead of just generally citing to his works on marijuana..2)  Dr. Grinspoon's support of RMLW can't be "is the same as Jack Herer's support for the
    Herer initiative (both mostly written by the same man, Jack's lawyer Bill
    McPike)," especially if "both men supported minimal taxation and no monopoly."  Why?
          Because Jack Herer was dead before "his" initiative came out in its final form, as altered by Robert Raisch, and that final form provides rights much worse than provided by Prop. 215 — because the recreational use of cannabis cannot be legalized while cannabis is still scheduled as anything, so all the "Herer" initiative does is to risk removing good rights we have under Prop. 215.
           I was very sorry that Mikey Jolson let Bob Raisch make those changes to the Herer initiative.  Mr. Raisch, an attorney who recently opined that no law prevents people from making "profits" under Prop. 215 is simply ill-informed in ways that make me question what he's doing.  For example, he had one of the S.B. 420's authors give a post-adoption opinion about the legislation's meaning.  Such a post-adoption opinion legally carries NO WEIGHT AT ALL in the interpretation of statutes. In fact, looking at all relevant state laws in context, it's clear why distribution of cannabis must be "not for profit."
          Furthremore, the fact that Bruce Cain has some concerns abiout Dr. Grinspoon's comments is not "lashing out at any and all that do not fall lock-step behind your
    PERP plan."  It's expressing concern about what Dr. Grinspoon thinks is the right answer to how cannabis should be treated.  "Lashing out" is more like your negative comments about Bruce Cain's comments, in which you say things like "You will never be a tenth of the man Dr. Grinspoon is,
    because unlike you he does things rather than limit himself to
    mistakenly attacking others for doing things."
         Instead of such attacks on Bruce, please provide RECENT citations that indicate that Dr. Grinspon is OPPOSED to the pharmaceutical-ization of cannabis.
         Having just experimented with just how well simple cannabis extract and leaf juice work to control MS and psoriasis, I am deeeply concerned about Big Pharma taking over this simple, herbal remedy and ruining its efficacy.
     
    — On Fri, 7/27/12, David Malmo-Levine <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
     
    Cc: "Bud" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Courtney Sheats" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Letitia Pepper" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Terrie Best" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Dale Gieringer" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "LANNYSWERDLOW" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Americans for Safe Access Safe Access" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Brett Stone" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Steve Kubby" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Mikki Norris" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "abtin16" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Bill Dake" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "carmel garcia" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "normelle" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Ace" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "William Dolphin" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "GOCCA" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "#OpCannabis" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Heidi Whitman" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "R Givens" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "David Fiedler" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "brent saupe" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Jay Bergstrom" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "PATTI GORDON"
    <s..s@a2c2.us>, "martinvictor" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "David Jack" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Dege Coutee, Patient Advocacy Network" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Dennis Hinze" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Robert Capecchi" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Marla James" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Bob Swanson" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Terry Colorado" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Sacsterdam University Non-Profit Collective" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Steele Smith" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Letitia Pepper" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Lanette Davies" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "ASA SF List" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Steve Elliott" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Fred Gardner" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "David Goldman" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Maureen Burns" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Dr. David Bearman" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Angela Bacca" <s..s@a2c2.us>, s..s@a2c2.us, "Donna Lambert" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Larry Kessler"
    <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Raymond Gamley" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Bill McPike" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Kris Hermes" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Martin Lee" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "a speciale" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Gary" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Denise" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Don Duncan, Americans for Safe Access" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Pebbles Trippet" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Jack Rikess" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "William West" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Wilson Linker" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Matt Elrod" <s..s@a2c2.us>
     
    1) Dr. Grinspoon is THE voice against the pharmasization of cannabis in the movement. Unlike yourself he does not limit himself to internet ranting – his opinion on that subject can be found in the introduction to the book "Marijuana Medicine" by Christian Ratsch, in his own books and in magazine articles such as High Times.
     
    2) His support for RMLW is the same as Jack Herer's support for the Herer initative (both mostly written by the same man, Jack's lawyer Bill McPike) – both men supported minimal taxation and no monopoly.
    You sir are pathetic. Ignored by the vast majority of the movement you have devoted your life to, you have been reduced to a troll of a man, lashing out at any and all that do not fall lock-step behind your PERP plan. You will never be a tenth of the man Dr. Grinspoon is, because unlike you he does things rather than limit himself to mistakenly attacking others for doing things. This is why people seek his endorsement but do not bother seeking yours.
     
    On 2012-07-27 8:59 AM, <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
     
    Lester Grinspoon:
     
    I've been familiar with you work for decades
    now but I think you've been hanging around with the NORML folk waaaay
    too long.  But the last thing I want to do is prejudge the following
    comment you made:
     
    =================
    Professor Grinspoon On The “Crazy Stoner” Claims About Cannabis And Cancer (06/11/2012)
     
    ‘I think the day will come when it or some cannabinoid derivatives will
    be demonstrated to have cancer curative powers, but in the meantime, we
    must be very cautious about what we promise these patients.”
    This
    quote (above) from Harvard Professor Lester Grinspoon is "code" for
    "let's just give Cannabis over to Big Pharma." To me this is proof that
    Prof. Grinspoon needs to retire. Cannabis is one of natures gift to
    mankind and the last thing we want to allow, is for Big Pharma to
    monopolize the market, especially given that Big Pharma has been funding
    DARE and other Anti-Marijuana groups for decades.
    In my, not so
    humble opinion, we need to be extremely wary of the advice of "Ivy
    League" elitists, such as Grinspoon and Miron, baring "gifts." Bruce
    Cain
    http://www.clear-uk.org/professor-grinspoon-on-the-crazy-stoner-claims-about-cannabis-and-cancer/
    I think the "problem" with
    Grinspoon is that he's been hanging out with the "tax and regulate" folk
    at NORML for far too long. And taxing and regulating our inalienable
    right to grow, gift or sell our overage is neither "normal" nor will we
    ever accept such bullshit,.

    Marijuana Is Here to Stay – Dr Lester Grinspoon
    Dr. Grinspoon recently endorsed the Regulate Marijuana like Wine Act of 2012 to legalize marijuana in California.
    http://patients4medicalmarijuana.wordpress.com/2012/02/02/marijuana-is-here-to-stay-dr-lester-grinspoon/
     

    Grinspoon Endorses California Ballot Initiative to Regulate Marijuana Like Wine
    By Jeremiah Vandermeer, Cannabis Culture – Wednesday, January 25 2012
    http://www.cannabisculture.com/content/2012/01/25/Grinspoon-Endorses-California-Ballot-Initiative-Regulate-Marijuana-Wine
     
    =================
     
    At any rate the commentary (above) is what I posted to my various FaceBook groups. 
     
    At
    the end of this letter I will send you some links to better understand
    where I'm coming from, regarding Cannabis Policy, but I really do
    respect your work and I want to give you every opportunity to clarify
    your position.
     
    I have been involved in "drug reform" since I
    first smoked my first "joint" at the tender age of 14 — the same year I
    took my first dose of LSD.  Before my "initiation" I was probably
    reading Huxeley's "Door of Perception" at the age of 13.  That was in
    1968.  In 1989 I began publishing a magazine on drug policy ("New Age
    Patriot").  That was the same year that I met Jack Herer and I had
    regularly corresponded with Jack until his death at HempStalk in 2009. 
    In 1993 I was invited to be on a panel with Tim Leary but was unable to
    attend.  That is one of my great regrets.  In 2010 I orchestrated a
    group of activists, attorneys to defeat Prop19.  And while it would be
    silly to take full credit I am quite sure we had a significant effect on
    its defeat.  And, of course, I'm always delighted when I can rob scum,
    like George Soros, of a couple million dollars.
     
    At any rate I
    just want you to know that I'm not some burnt out stoner.  I also want
    to make clear that I will never accept the monopolization of Cannabis
    production and distribution to either Monsanto or Big Pharma.
     
    I
    am not providing this background to be boastful or smart.  I'm providing
    this background because I want to make it crystal clear what my
    perspective is on Cannabis.
     
    So what I would like you to do is
    clarify your position on the "ideal" model for ending Marijuana
    Prohibition.  To do that I will summarize my position and I would like
    you to respond by clarifying your position.  So here we go . . . .
     
    If
    you ever read Jack Herer's "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" carefully you
    would understand that racism, motor skill impairment etc. were not the
    real reason that Marijuana become illegal in 1938.  The primary reason,
    for the passage of the "Marijuana Tax Act" (1938)  was that Cannabis was
    a threat to the Oil, Paper and Synthetics Industry.  During the next 75
    years we were lied to.  But the global architects (Rockefeller,
    Rothchild, the UN etc.) saw a big problem: it was inevitable that public
    opinion would eventually shift toward Marijuana Legalization.  And in
    fact it did.  According to Gallup polling data support for Marijuana
    Legalization went from about 12% in 1969 to about 56% today (2012). 
    "What to do" is what I imagine they must have been saying.
     
    So
    "what they did" was finance Prop215 in 1996.  George Soros was the main
    backer.  By doing this they restricted discussion to the "medical use"
    of Cannabis.  Then, over the next 16 years they (e.g., George Soros,
    Lewis, Sperling) began financing these "Medical Marijuana Initiatives"
    which were specifically laden with their own "poison pills."  And most
    recently we saw a spate of "tax and regulate" initiatives that pretended
    to legalize Marijuana but which were really focused on the following
    agenda:
     
    (1) First push out the "home grower" in favor of the large dispensaries
    (2) Second push out the large dispensaries in favor of Big Pharma Companies like GW Pharmeceutical (e.g. Sativex)
     
     
    And
    so what these architects were really engineering was the "manufacture
    of consent" for a new from of Neo-Prohibtion which would continue to
    feed the Prison Industrial Complex with home growers while restricting
    the production and distribution of Cannabinoid "drugs" to Big Pharma. 
    And according to my brief Google search you are in support of some of
    these "tax, regulate and control" initiatives.
     
    So with this very
    brief exposition, of the last 75+ years of Marijuana Policy,  I would
    like you to respond to a very simple question.
     
    Question:
    Given
    that Cannabis is the safest therapeutic substance known to man (quote
    from DEA administrative law judge in 1989) why should any adult be
    restricted from growing it, gifting it and even selling it without any
    tax, regulation or government control?  After all is it not a form of
    "moral hazard" to reward those that have been lying to us, imprisoning
    us, arresting us, stealing our property,  restricting us from college
    grants etc. to now become the ones producing, distributing and profiting
    from Marijuana.  In other words does it not make more sense to treat it
    like beer — which we can produce unrestricted in our homes — rather
    than like hard liquor that can only be produced by the alcohol
    monopolies.
     
    Your response to this question will be much
    appreciated.  And given your stature in this movement you need to
    understand that blessing a "no tax, no regulate, no government control"
    model could very well destroy the ambitions of the Central Banks and
    Global Corporations that are set to "nudge" us toward a One World
    Corporate Fascist State. 
     
    Yes, I'm quite sure that last sentence
    gave you some pause.  But I knew Jack Herer very well and he was
    absolutely correct: Hemp Can Save the Planet.  He also saw the parallels
    between Nazi Germany and our country well before Naomi Klien wrote "The
    Shock Doctrine."  The first edition of "The Emperor" was published in
    1985.
     
    I used to kid Jack about "Hemp Saving the Planet," saying
    it was perhaps a bit "over-puffed."  But the fact of the matter is hemp
    biomass is capable of replacing oil, and thousands of other products
    currently monopolized by large Global Corporations.  And as this "Petro
    Corporate Ponzi" Epoch, come crashing to the ground in the next few
    years,  we are going to need to grow something locally that can provide
    us with the food, fiber and other products necessary for our survival. 
    After all there is no way you can sustain a exponential growth model
    forever within a finite universe.  At some point we have to work toward a
    static state of long term sustainability.
     
    We don't want to end
    up like the sheep envisions by Kissinger who once said 'If we can
    control the food supply we can control the people.'
     
    We don't want
    to end up in a new state of feudalism envisioned by Rockefeller when he
    said "Competition is a sin."  [What he meant was he wanted to
    monopolize everything].
     
    What I think we both want and need is an
    eclectic model envisioned by Jefferson's notion of the Yeoman Farmer:
    smart, mindful of his place in the universe and as independent of global
    entanglements as possible.
     
    I look forward to your response to my question.
     
    Yours in Peace and Freedom,
     
    Bruce W. Cain
     
    ======================
    Here are some links to some of my writings, lectures and videos:
     
     
    "The
    illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to
    continue the illusion.  At the point where the illusion becomes too
    expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will
    pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the
    way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre."
    Frank Zappa.
     
    Please join my FB group by clicking on the first link below.  Spread the word:
     
    Bruce Cain for 2012 Presidency wants a "Green Economy based on Marijuana"
     
    http://www.newagecitizen.com/
     
    Bruce Cain for 2012 Presidency wants a "Green Economy based on Marijuana"
    https://www.facebook.com/groups(phone#-removed)326/
     
     
    New Candidate for 2012 Presidency wants a "Green Economy" Based on Marijuana

     

    David Malmo-Levine <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 27 06:49PM -0700  

    I provided two recent examples in another email – which is two more
    published non-internet anti pharmasization positions than either you or
    Bruce have to your credit. I will find more examples later tonight or
    tomorrow to firmly establish his credentials as the leading voice against
    cannapharmasization over his entire 40 plus years as a cannabis activist.
    Feel free to use google in the mean time to confirm this for yourself.
     
    On 2012-07-27 6:13 PM, "Letitia Pepper" <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
     
    1) If Dr. Grinspoon is THE voice against the pharma-ization of cannabis,
    then please provide us with citations to his most RECENT comments specifically
    opposing pharma-tization, instead of just generally citing to his works on
    marijuana..
    2) Dr. Grinspoon's support of RMLW can't be "is the same as Jack Herer's
    support for the Herer initiative (both mostly written by the same man,
    Jack's lawyer Bill McPike)," especially if "both men supported minimal
    taxation and no monopoly." Why?
    Because Jack Herer was dead before "his" initiative came out in its
    final form, as altered by Robert Raisch, and that final form provides
    rights much worse than provided by Prop. 215 — because the recreational
    use of cannabis cannot be legalized while cannabis is still scheduled as
    anything, so all the "Herer" initiative does is to risk removing good
    rights we have under Prop. 215.
    I was very sorry that Mikey Jolson let Bob Raisch make those changes
    to the Herer initiative. Mr. Raisch, an attorney who recently opined that
    no law prevents people from making "profits" under Prop. 215 is simply
    ill-informed in ways that make me question what he's doing. For example,
    he had one of the S.B. 420's authors give a post-adoption opinion about the
    legislation's meaning. Such a post-adoption opinion legally carries NO
    WEIGHT AT ALL in the interpretation of statutes. In fact, looking at all
    relevant state laws in context, it's clear why distribution of cannabis
    must be "not for profit."
    Furthremore, the fact that Bruce Cain has some concerns abiout Dr.
    Grinspoon's comments is not "lashing out at any and all that do not fall
    lock-step behind your PERP plan." It's expressing concern about what Dr.
    Grinspoon thinks is the right answer to how cannabis should be treated.
    "Lashing out" is more like your negative comments about Bruce Cain's
    comments, in which you say things like "You will never be a tenth of the
    man Dr. Grinspoon is, because unlike you he does things rather than limit
    himself to mistakenly attacking others for doing things."
    Instead of such attacks on Bruce, please provide RECENT citations that
    indicate that Dr. Grinspon is OPPOSED to the pharmaceutical-ization of
    cannabis.
    Having just experimented with just how well simple cannabis extract
    and leaf juice work to control MS and psoriasis, I am deeeply concerned
    about Big Pharma taking over this simple, herbal remedy and ruining its
    efficacy.
     
    — On *Fri, 7/27/12, David Malmo-Levine <s..s@a2c2.us>* wrote:
     
     
    Cc: "Bud" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Courtney Sheats" <
    s..s@a2c2.us>, "Letitia Pepper" <s..s@a2c2.us>,
    "Terrie Best" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Dale Gieringer" <s..s@a2c2.us>,
    "LANNYSWERDLOW" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Axis of Love SF, Shona
    Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Americans for Safe Access Safe
    Access" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Brett Stone" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Steve
    Kubby" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Mikki Norris" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "abtin16" <
    s..s@a2c2.us>, "Bill Dake" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "carmel garcia" <
    s..s@a2c2.us>, "normelle" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Ace" <s..s@a2c2.us>,
    "William Dolphin" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "GOCCA" <s..s@a2c2.us>,
    "#OpCannabis" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Heidi Whitman" <
    s..s@a2c2.us>, "R Givens" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "David Fiedler" <
    s..s@a2c2.us>, "brent saupe" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Jay
    Bergstrom" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "PATTI GORDON" <s..s@a2c2.us>,
    "martinvictor" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "David Jack" <s..s@a2c2.us>,
    "Dege Coutee, Patient Advocacy Network" <s..s@a2c2.us>,
    "Dennis Hinze" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Robert Capecchi" <s..s@a2c2.us>,
    "Marla James" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Bob Swanson" <
    s..s@a2c2.us>, "Terry Colorado" <s..s@a2c2.us>,
    "Sacsterdam University Non-Profit Collective" <
    s..s@a2c2.us>, "Steele Smith" <s..s@a2c2.us>,
    "Letitia Pepper" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Lanette Davies" <s..s@a2c2.us>,
    "ASA SF List" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Steve Elliott" <
    s..s@a2c2.us>, "Fred Gardner" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "David Goldman" <
    s..s@a2c2.us>, "Maureen Burns" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Dr. David
    Bearman" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Angela Bacca" <s..s@a2c2.us>,
    s..s@a2c2.us, "Donna Lambert" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Larry Kessler" <
    s..s@a2c2.us>, "Raymond Gamley" <s..s@a2c2.us>,
    "Bill McPike" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Kris Hermes" <s..s@a2c2.us>,
    "Martin Lee" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "a speciale" <s..s@a2c2.us>,
    "Gary" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Denise" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Don Duncan, Americans
    for Safe Access" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Pebbles Trippet" <
    s..s@a2c2.us>, "Jack Rikess" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "William West" <
    s..s@a2c2.us>, "Wilson Linker" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Matt
    Elrod" <s..s@a2c2.us>
     
    1) Dr. Grinspoon is THE voice against the pharmasization of cannabis in the
    movement. Unlike yourself he does not limit himself to internet ranting –
    his opinion on that subject can be found in the introduction to the book
    "Marijuana Medicine" by Christian Ratsch, in his own books and in magazine
    articles such as High Times.
     
    2) His support for RMLW is the same as Jack Herer's support for the Herer
    initative (both mostly written by the same man, Jack's lawyer Bill McPike)
    – both men supported minimal taxation and no monopoly.
     
    You sir are pathetic. Ignored by the vast majority of the movement you have
    devoted your life to, you have been reduced to a troll of a man, lashing
    out at any and all that do not fall lock-step behind your PERP plan. You
    will never be a tenth of the man Dr. Grinspoon is, because unlike you he
    does things rather than limit himself to mistakenly attacking others for
    doing things. This is why people seek his endorsement but do not bother
    seeking yours.
     
    On 2012-07-27 8:59 AM,
    <s..s@a2c2.us<http:s..s@a2c2.us>>
    wrote:
     
    Lester Grinspoon:
     
    I've been familiar with you work for decades now but I think you've been
    hanging around with the NORML folk waaaay too long. But the last thing I
    want to do is prejudge the following comment you made:
     
    =================
    Professor Grinspoon On The “Crazy Stoner” Claims About Cannabis And Cancer
    (06/11/2012)
    ‘I think the day will come when it or some cannabinoid derivatives will be
    demonstrated to have cancer curative powers, but in the meantime, we must
    be very cautious about what we promise these patients.”
    This quote (above) from Harvard Professor Lester Grinspoon is "code" for
    "let's just give Cannabis over to Big Pharma." To me this is proof that
    Prof. Grinspoon needs to retire. Cannabis is one of natures gift to mankind
    and the last thing we want to allow, is for Big Pharma to monopolize the
    market, especially given that Big Pharma has been funding DARE and other
    Anti-Marijuana groups for decades.
    In my, not so humble opinion, we need to be extremely wary of the advice of
    "Ivy League" elitists, such as Grinspoon and Miron, baring "gifts." Bruce
    Cain
    http://www.clear-uk.org/professor-grinspoon-on-the-craz
    y-stoner-claims-about-cannabis-and-cancer/
     
    I think the "problem" with Grinspoon is that he's been hanging out with the
    "tax and regulate" folk at NORML for far too long. And taxing and
    regulating our inalienable right to grow, gift or sell our overage is
    neither "normal" nor will we ever accept such bullshit,.
     
    Marijuana Is Here to Stay – Dr Lester Grinspoon
    Dr. Grinspoon recently endorsed the Regulate Marijuana like Wine Act of
    2012 to legalize marijuana in California.
    http://patients4medicalmarijuana.wordpress.com/2012/02/02/
    marijuana-is-here-to-stay-dr-lester-grinspoon/
     
    Grinspoon Endorses California Ballot Initiative to Regulate Marijuana Like
    Wine
    By Jeremiah Vandermeer, Cannabis Culture – Wednesday, January 25 2012
    http://www.cannabisculture.com/content/2012/01/25/
    Grinspoon-Endorses-California-Ballot-Initiative-Regulate-Marijuana-Wine
     
    =================
     
    At any rate the commentary (above) is what I posted to my various FaceBook
    groups.
     
    At the end of this letter I will send you some links to better understand
    where I'm coming from, regarding Cannabis Policy, but I really do respect
    your work and I want to give you every opportunity to clarify your position.
     
    I have been involved in "drug reform" since I first smoked my first "joint"
    at the tender age of 14 — the same year I took my first dose of LSD.
    Before my "initiation" I was probably reading Huxeley's "Door of
    Perception" at the age of 13. That was in 1968. In 1989 I began
    publishing a magazine on drug policy ("New Age Patriot"). That was the
    same year that I met Jack Herer and I had regularly corresponded with Jack
    until his death at HempStalk in 2009. In 1993 I was invited to be on a
    panel with Tim Leary but was unable to attend. That is one of my great
    regrets. In 2010 I orchestrated a group of activists, attorneys to defeat
    Prop19. And while it would be silly to take full credit I am quite sure we
    had a significant effect on its defeat. And, of course, I'm always
    delighted when I can rob scum, like George Soros, of a couple million
    dollars.
     
    At any rate I just want you to know that I'm not some burnt out stoner. I
    also want to make clear that I will never accept the monopolization of
    Cannabis production and distribution to either Monsanto or Big Pharma.
     
    I am not providing this background to be boastful or smart. I'm providing
    this background because I want to make it crystal clear what my perspective
    is on Cannabis.
     
    So what I would like you to do is clarify your position on the "ideal"
    model for ending Marijuana Prohibition. To do that I will summarize my
    position and I would like you to respond by clarifying your position. So
    here we go . . . .
     
    If you ever read Jack Herer's "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" carefully you
    would understand that racism, motor skill impairment etc. were not the real
    reason that Marijuana become illegal in 1938. The primary reason, for the
    passage of the "Marijuana Tax Act" (1938) was that Cannabis was a threat
    to the Oil, Paper and Synthetics Industry. During the next 75 years we
    were lied to. But the global architects (Rockefeller, Rothchild, the UN
    etc.) saw a big problem: it was inevitable that public opinion would
    eventually shift toward Marijuana Legalization. And in fact it did.
    According to Gallup polling data support for Marijuana Legalization went
    from about 12% in 1969 to about 56% today (2012). "What to do" is what I
    imagine they must have been saying.
     
    So "what they did" was finance Prop215 in 1996. George Soros was the main
    backer. By doing this they restricted discussion to the "medical use" of
    Cannabis. Then, over the next 16 years they (e.g., George Soros, Lewis,
    Sperling) began financing these "Medical Marijuana Initiatives" which were
    specifically laden with their own "poison pills." And most recently we saw
    a spate of "tax and regulate" initiatives that pretended to legalize
    Marijuana but which were really focused on the following agenda:
     
    (1) First push out the "home grower" in favor of the large dispensaries
    (2) Second push out the large dispensaries in favor of Big Pharma Companies
    like GW Pharmeceutical (e.g. Sativex)
     
    And so what these architects were really engineering was the "manufacture
    of consent" for a new from of Neo-Prohibtion which would continue to feed
    the Prison Industrial Complex with home growers while restricting the
    production and distribution of Cannabinoid "drugs" to Big Pharma. And
    according to my brief Google search you are in support of some of these
    "tax, regulate and control" initiatives.
     
    So with this very brief exposition, of the last 75+ years of Marijuana
    Policy, I would like you to respond to a very simple question.
     
    *Question:
    Given that Cannabis is the safest therapeutic substance known to man (quote
    from DEA administrative law judge in 1989) why should any adult be
    restricted from growing it, gifting it and even selling it without any tax,
    regulation or government control? After all is it not a form of "moral
    hazard" to reward those that have been lying to us, imprisoning us,
    arresting us, stealing our property, restricting us from college grants
    etc. to now become the ones producing, distributing and profiting from
    Marijuana. In other words does it not make more sense to treat it like
    beer — which we can produce unrestricted in our homes — rather than like
    hard liquor that can only be produced by the alcohol monopolies.*
     
    Your response to this question will be much appreciated. And given your
    stature in this movement you need to understand that blessing a "no tax, no
    regulate, no government control" model could very well destroy the
    ambitions of the Central Banks and Global Corporations that are set to
    "nudge" us toward a One World Corporate Fascist State.
     
    Yes, I'm quite sure that last sentence gave you some pause. But I knew
    Jack Herer very well and he was absolutely correct: Hemp Can Save the
    Planet. He also saw the parallels between Nazi Germany and our country
    well before Naomi Klien wrote "The Shock Doctrine." The first edition of
    "The Emperor" was published in 1985.
     
    I used to kid Jack about "Hemp Saving the Planet," saying it was perhaps a
    bit "over-puffed." But the fact of the matter is hemp biomass is capable
    of replacing oil, and thousands of other products currently monopolized by
    large Global Corporations. And as this "Petro Corporate Ponzi" Epoch, come
    crashing to the ground in the next few years, we are going to need to grow
    something locally that can provide us with the food, fiber and other
    products necessary for our survival. After all there is no way you can
    sustain a exponential growth model forever within a finite universe. At
    some point we have to work toward a static state of long term
    sustainability.
     
    We don't want to end up like the sheep envisions by Kissinger who once said
    'If we can control the food supply we can control the people.'
     
    We don't want to end up in a new state of feudalism envisioned by
    Rockefeller when he said "Competition is a sin." [What he meant was he
    wanted to monopolize everything].
     
    What I think we both want and need is an eclectic model envisioned by
    Jefferson's notion of the Yeoman Farmer: smart, mindful of his place in the
    universe and as independent of global entanglements as possible.
     
    I look forward to your response to my question.
     
    Yours in Peace and Freedom,
     
    Bruce W. Cain
     
    ======================
    Here are some links to some of my writings, lectures and videos:
     
    "The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to
    continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too
    expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull
    back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and
    you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre."
    Frank Zappa.

     

 

    David Malmo-Levine <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 28 03:30AM -0700  

    > then please provide us with citations to his most RECENT comments specifically
    > opposing pharma-tization, instead of just generally citing to his works
    > on marijuana..
     
    1) The only works I cited were recent (within the last 12 years of his 45
    year study of cannabis, or the last quarter of his cannabis activist career
    … relatively speaking, the last quarter of your cannabis activist career,
    Letitia, would be the last six months).
     
    2) The works I cited WERE specifically his opposition of cannabis
    pharmasization … because you can't be bother to read the entire context,
    I will quote a paragraph or two from each … let me know if this too is
    too much to read on your own, and I will walk you through it.
     
    Ethan Russo, an employee of GW Pharmaceuticals , writing for the on-line
    journal "Cannabinoids", listed the benefits of pharmaceuticalized cannabis
    medicines in his article "Cannabinoid Medicine and the Need for the
    Scientific Method". They are; 1) pharmaceuticalized cannabis products will
    gain widespread trust of physicians and medical consumers, 2) crude herbal
    materials can't be standardized, 3) smoked cannabis causes coughing and
    "cytological alterations", 4) sharing joints can lead to sharing diseases,
    5) even vaporization is inefficient, unpredictable and unsafe, 6) there's
    not enough evidence of smoked cannabis working, 7) the FDA will not accept
    the type of evidence that exists regarding the efficacy of smoked cannabis,
    8) it is difficult to establish the dose of smoked cannabis, 9) crude
    herbal materials are full of micro-organisms and 10) most of the non-GW
    Pharmaceuticals strains of cannabis have no CBD in them.
     
    In our view none of Russo's claims are not accurate; 1) the pharmaceutical
    industry is currently losing the trust of consumers as herbal medicines
    make a comeback, 2) "crude herbal materials" can easily be standardized
    without patents if the herb is legal and regulated , 3) more potent
    products such as bubblehash and devices such as water-pipes and vaporizers
    reduce coughing – there's no evidence that the "cytological alterations"
    are anything other than a slight color alteration, a manifestation of
    bronchial irritation , 4) there are devices such as chillums and techniques
    for holding joints that can eliminate the spread of disease through
    preventing the spread of saliva, 5) there's no evidence that smoke and/or
    vaporization is inferior to oral sprays because GW and Bayer will not do
    comparative studies, 6) US and Canadian governments have suppressed most
    studies on smoked marijuana but there are thousands of anecdotal accounts,
    and those thousands of stories collectively comprise a clinical
    bibliography more comprehensive than that of any synthetic, 7) the FDA has
    never required controlled experiments to recognize the therapeutic
    potential of chloral hydrate, barbiturates, aspirin, curare, insulin, or
    penicillin, 8) it is much easier to control the dose of smoked cannabis
    than oral sprays because the effects of smoked cannabis take 1 to 5 minutes
    to work and sprays take 15 to 40 minutes to work, 9) properly grown organic
    cannabis is relatively free of microbes and metals, and 10) if cannabis
    were legal, those high CBD strains would be more easily circulated among
    all breeders.
     
    http://www.cannabisculture.com/node/19879
     
    This is the longer version of an article that appeared in the 35th
    anniversary issue of High Times magazine:
     
    "The advertising department at High Times stated in a telephone interview
    that the paid circulation of the magazine is 237,411 and its pass-along
    circulation (a figure determined by the projected number of readers who
    will read each copy of the magazine) of more than 2 million."
     
    http://www.lotsofessays.com/viewpaper/1691254.html
     
     
     
     
    "Today, the medical establishment takes the position that there is no
    scientific evidence to demonstrate that cannabis has medical usefulness,
    based on the fact that there is a paucityof double-blind controlled studies
    addressing this. This scarcity is likely to persist for some time; because
    the costs of such studies are generally underwritten by pharmaceutical
    firms who stand to gain if they can demonstrate the therapeutic usefulness
    of a patented drug and win Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval for
    it, and because marijuana is a naturally ocurring herb that cannot be
    patented, these firms will simply not invest the more than $200 million
    necessary to perform such studies."
     
    – Grinspoon, 2000, introduction to "Marijuana Medicine" by Christian Ratsch
     
    "Christian Ratsch is one of the world's foremost ethnopharmacologists and
    is the current president of the German Society for Ethnomedicine."
    *
    http://www.amazon.com/Marijuana-Medicine-Healing-Visionary-Cannabis/dp(phone#-removed)
    *
     
     
    In addition, there are these other quotes here:
     
     
    LG: The biggest problem with [Sativex] is that it’s going to create another
    commercial pressure to keep the stuff prohibited—the government can do what
    it hoped to do with Marinol. It's going to make it less possible to create
    an environment where people will be freely allowed to use cannabis
    responsibly for medicine or for anything else they want.
     
    An Interview With Lester Grinspoon, M.D.
     
    Lester Grinspoon
    Interviewed By Gary Greenberg
     
    October 17, 2005
     
    http://www.motherjones.com/news/qa/2005/11/grinspoon.html
     
    "With a paid circulation of 200,000, *Mother Jones* magazine is among the
    most widely read liberal publications in the United
    States<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States>
    ."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Jones_(magazine)
     
     
     
     
     
    The only workable way of realizing the potential of this remarkable
    substance, including its full medical potential, is to free it from the
    present dual set of regulations – – those that control prescription drugs
    in general and the special criminal laws that control psychoactive
    substances. These mutually reinforcing laws establish a set of social
    categories that strangle its uniquely multifaceted potential. The only way
    out is to cut the knot by giving marijuana the same status as alcohol – –
    legalizing it for adults for all uses and *removing it entirely from both
    the medical and criminal control systems*.
    http://www.rxmarijuana.com/whither_american_medical_marijuana.htm
     
     
    Interview with Dr. Grinspoon *from 2011*, … the anti-pharma stuff begins
    at around 28:36 and again at 51:45
     

     
     
    *From 2012:*
     
    The only workable way of realizing the full potential of this remarkable
    substance, including its full medical potential, is to free it from the
    present dual set of regulations – those that control prescription drugs in
    general and the special criminal laws that control psychoactive substances.
    These mutually reinforcing laws establish a set of social categories that
    strangle its uniquely multifaceted potential. The only way out is to cut
    the knot by giving marijuana the same status as alcohol – legalizing it for
    adults for all uses and *removing it entirely from the medical and criminal
    control systems*.
     
    http://patients4medicalmarijuana.wordpress.com/2012/02/02/marijuana-is-here-to-stay-dr-lester-grinspoon/#more-5078
     
    http://www.cannabisculture.com/content/2012/02/01/Marijuana-Here-Stay
     
     
    And again here at 15:30:
     
    http://www.theweedblog.com/russ-belville-interviewing-dr-lester-grinspoon/
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Just in case you need to know who Dr. Grinspoon is:
     
    "No one has meant more to the rediscovery of cannabis as a medicine than
    Lester Grinspoon."
    http://hashmuseum.com/cannabis-culture-awards/winners/2012/lester-grinspoon
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    > use of cannabis cannot be legalized while cannabis is still scheduled as
    > anything, so all the "Herer" initiative does is to risk removing good
    > rights we have under Prop. 215."
     
    Grinspoon's support for the anti-monopoly RMLW IS the same as Herer's
    support for his "pre-final form", "pre-Raisch", "McPike" version, which was
    also anti-monopoly and supported minimal taxation and minimal regulation,
    just like RMLW:
     
    *"The following is the last wording of the initiative Jack tried to get on
    the ballot before he passed away in 2010. *
     

     
    7. Commerce in cannabis hemp euphoric products shall be limited to adults,
    21 years of age and older, and shall be regulated in a manner analogous to
    California’s wine industry model.
     
    http://www.jackherer.com/initiative/
     
    While the Herer initiative is a bit looser than RMLW, they are both
    anti-monopolistic (and in that way both superior to simple repeal which
    does not guarantee a lack of discriminatory licensing practices post
    repeal), they both involve minimal taxation and minimal regulation.
     
     
     
     
     
     
    > "Furthremore, the fact that Bruce Cain has some concerns abiout Dr.
    > Grinspoon's comments is not "lashing out at any and all that do not fall
    > lock-step behind your PERP plan." "
     
     
    Cain's "concerns" come from the same place your concerns come from,
    Letitia: ignorance.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    > "You will never be a tenth of the man Dr. Grinspoon is, because unlike you
    > he does things rather than limit himself to mistakenly attacking others for
    > doing things.""
     
    Unlike Cain's and your concerns over Dr. Grinspoon, my characterization of
    Cain is the truth.
     
     
     
     
     
     
    > "Instead of such attacks on Bruce, please provide RECENT citations
    > that indicate that Dr. Grinspon is OPPOSED to the pharmaceutical-ization of
    > cannabis."
     
    Recent is relative. I picked the last quarter of Grinspoon's career –
    things published widely in books and magazines. Books and magazines with
    print runs in the 100's of thousands.
     
    But if you need it to be examples in the last two years I have now provided
    you with some of those, too. What have you done that was comparable to that
    aside from ranting on websites that nobody goes to?
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    > and leaf juice work to control MS and psoriasis, I am deeeply concerned
    > about Big Pharma taking over this simple, herbal remedy and ruining its
    > efficacy."
     
    If you were truly as concerned as you say you are, you would take the time
    to read Dr. Grinspoon's work – not just the quotes above but the content of
    the links provided – so you not only better understand how important Dr.
    Grinspoon is to the fight against the Big Pharma takeover, but to better
    understand cannabis as a medicine in general.
     
     
     
     
     

     

 

 

 

July 27, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 15 Messages in 6 Topics

    s..s@a2c2.us Jul 27 02:27PM  

    Lester Grinspoon:
     
    I've been familiar with you work for decades now but I think you've been hanging around with the NORML folk waaaay too long. But the last thing I want to do is prejudge the following comment you made:
     
    =================
    Professor Grinspoon On The “Crazy Stoner” Claims About Cannabis And Cancer (06/11/2012)
    ‘I think the day will come when it or some cannabinoid derivatives will be demonstrated to have cancer curative powers, but in the meantime, we must be very cautious about what we promise these patients.”
    This quote (above) from Harvard Professor Lester Grinspoon is "code" for "let's just give Cannabis over to Big Pharma." To me this is proof that Prof. Grinspoon needs to retire. Cannabis is one of natures gift to mankind and the last thing we want to allow, is for Big Pharma to monopolize the market, especially given that Big Pharma has been funding DARE and other Anti-Marijuana groups for decades.
    In my, not so humble opinion, we need to be extremely wary of the advice of "Ivy League" elitists, such as Grinspoon and Miron, baring "gifts." Bruce Cain
    http://www.clear-uk.org/ professor-grinspoon-on-the-craz y-stoner-claims-about-cannabis -and-cancer/
     
     
    I think the "problem" with Grinspoon is that he's been hanging out with the "tax and regulate" folk at NORML for far too long. And taxing and regulating our inalienable right to grow, gift or sell our overage is neither "normal" nor will we ever accept such bullshit,.
     
    Marijuana Is Here to Stay – Dr Lester Grinspoon
    Dr. Grinspoon recently endorsed the Regulate Marijuana like Wine Act of 2012 to legalize marijuana in California.
    http:// patients4medicalmarijuana.w ordpress.com/2012/02/02/ marijuana-is-here-to-stay-d r-lester-grinspoon/
     
    Grinspoon Endorses California Ballot Initiative to Regulate Marijuana Like Wine
    By Jeremiah Vandermeer, Cannabis Culture – Wednesday, January 25 2012
    http:// www.cannabisculture.com/ content/2012/01/25/ Grinspoon-Endorses-Californ ia-Ballot-Initiative-Regul ate-Marijuana-Wine
    =================
     
    At any rate the commentary (above) is what I posted to my various FaceBook groups.
     
    At the end of this letter I will send you some links to better understand where I'm coming from, regarding Cannabis Policy, but I really do respect your work and I want to give you every opportunity to clarify your position.
     
    I have been involved in "drug reform" since I first smoked my first "joint" at the tender age of 14 — the same year I took my first dose of LSD. Before my "initiation" I was probably reading Huxeley's "Door of Perception" at the age of 13. That was in 1968. In 1989 I began publishing a magazine on drug policy ("New Age Patriot"). That was the same year that I met Jack Herer and I had regularly corresponded with Jack until his death at HempStalk in 2009. In 1993 I was invited to be on a panel with Tim Leary but was unable to attend. That is one of my great regrets. In 2010 I orchestrated a group of activists, attorneys to defeat Prop19. And while it would be silly to take full credit I am quite sure we had a significant effect on its defeat. And, of course, I'm always delighted when I can rob scum, like George Soros, of a couple million dollars.
     
    At any rate I just want you to know that I'm not some burnt out stoner. I also want to make clear that I will never accept the monopolization of Cannabis production and distribution to either Monsanto or Big Pharma.
     
    I am not providing this background to be boastful or smart. I'm providing this background because I want to make it crystal clear what my perspective is on Cannabis.
     
    So what I would like you to do is clarify your position on the "ideal" model for ending Marijuana Prohibition. To do that I will summarize my position and I would like you to respond by clarifying your position. So here we go . . . .
     
    If you ever read Jack Herer's "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" carefully you would understand that racism, motor skill impairment etc. were not the real reason that Marijuana become illegal in 1938. The primary reason, for the passage of the "Marijuana Tax Act" (1938) was that Cannabis was a threat to the Oil, Paper and Synthetics Industry. During the next 75 years we were lied to. But the global architects (Rockefeller, Rothchild, the UN etc.) saw a big problem: it was inevitable that public opinion would eventually shift toward Marijuana Legalization. And in fact it did. According to Gallup polling data support for Marijuana Legalization went from about 12% in 1969 to about 56% today (2012). "What to do" is what I imagine they must have been saying.
     
    So "what they did" was finance Prop215 in 1996. George Soros was the main backer. By doing this they restricted discussion to the "medical use" of Cannabis. Then, over the next 16 years they (e.g., George Soros, Lewis, Sperling) began financing these "Medical Marijuana Initiatives" which were specifically laden with their own "poison pills." And most recently we saw a spate of "tax and regulate" initiatives that pretended to legalize Marijuana but which were really focused on the following agenda:
     
    (1) First push out the "home grower" in favor of the large dispensaries
    (2) Second push out the large dispensaries in favor of Big Pharma Companies like GW Pharmeceutical (e.g. Sativex)
     
    And so what these architects were really engineering was the "manufacture of consent" for a new from of Neo-Prohibtion which would continue to feed the Prison Industrial Complex with home growers while restricting the production and distribution of Cannabinoid "drugs" to Big Pharma. And according to my brief Google search you are in support of some of these "tax, regulate and control" initiatives.
     
    So with this very brief exposition, of the last 75+ years of Marijuana Policy, I would like you to respond to a very simple question.
     
    Question:
    Given that Cannabis is the safest therapeutic substance known to man (quote from DEA administrative law judge in 1989) why should any adult be restricted from growing it, gifting it and even selling it without any tax, regulation or government control? After all is it not a form of "moral hazard" to reward those that have been lying to us, imprisoning us, arresting us, stealing our property, restricting us from college grants etc. to now become the ones producing, distributing and profiting from Marijuana. In other words does it not make more sense to treat it like beer — which we can produce unrestricted in our homes — rather than like hard liquor that can only be produced by the alcohol monopolies.
     
    Your response to this question will be much appreciated. And given your stature in this movement you need to understand that blessing a "no tax, no regulate, no government control" model could very well destroy the ambitions of the Central Banks and Global Corporations that are set to "nudge" us toward a One World Corporate Fascist State.
     
    Yes, I'm quite sure that last sentence gave you some pause. But I knew Jack Herer very well and he was absolutely correct: Hemp Can Save the Planet. He also saw the parallels between Nazi Germany and our country well before Naomi Klien wrote "The Shock Doctrine." The first edition of "The Emperor" was published in 1985.
     
    I used to kid Jack about "Hemp Saving the Planet," saying it was perhaps a bit "over-puffed." But the fact of the matter is hemp biomass is capable of replacing oil, and thousands of other products currently monopolized by large Global Corporations. And as this "Petro Corporate Ponzi" Epoch, come crashing to the ground in the next few years, we are going to need to grow something locally that can provide us with the food, fiber and other products necessary for our survival. After all there is no way you can sustain a exponential growth model forever within a finite universe. At some point we have to work toward a static state of long term sustainability.
     
    We don't want to end up like the sheep envisions by Kissinger who once said 'If we can control the food supply we can control the people.'
     
    We don't want to end up in a new state of feudalism envisioned by Rockefeller when he said "Competition is a sin." [What he meant was he wanted to monopolize everything].
     
    What I think we both want and need is an eclectic model envisioned by Jefferson's notion of the Yeoman Farmer: smart, mindful of his place in the universe and as independent of global entanglements as possible.
     
    I look forward to your response to my question.
     
    Yours in Peace and Freedom,
     
    Bruce W. Cain
     
    ======================
    Here are some links to some of my writings, lectures and videos:
     
    "The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre."
    Frank Zappa.
     
    Please join my FB group by clicking on the first link below. Spread the word:
     
    Bruce Cain for 2012 Presidency wants a "Green Economy based on Marijuana"
    http://www.newagecitizen.com/
     
    Bruce Cain for 2012 Presidency wants a "Green Economy based on Marijuana"
    https://www.facebook.com/groups(phone#-removed)326/
     
    New Candidate for 2012 Presidency wants a "Green Economy" Based on Marijuana
    http://www.newagecitizen.com/MERP/RelegalizeNowObama57.htm
     
    Bruce Cain for President 2012: The Great Betrayal

     
    Hempstalk 2009: Jack Herer – Hemp Can Save The Planet

     
    Because Marijuana is Safer that Beer . . .
    How About We Start Treating It That Way?
    MERP Headquarters
    The Marijuana Re-Legalization Policy Project (MRPP)= "MERP"
    http://www.newagecitizen.com/MERP.htm
     
    YouTube Videos Covering Candidate Bruce Cain's "New Agenda for America"
    http://www.youtube.com/user/bcainw?feature=mhee

     

 

 

 

 

    Fred Gardner <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 27 12:41PM -0700  

    Bruce Anderson coined a great word, "chronophage," to describe people who eat up your time.
     
    F
     
     

     

    brenda kershenbaum <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 27 08:34AM -0700  

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    Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:19 PM
     
     
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    Sjss <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 27 10:11AM -0700  

    Seems a tit bit biased……
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

    brenda kershenbaum <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 27 08:35AM -0700  

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    Donna Lambert <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 26 11:43PM -0700  

    —– Forwarded Message —–
    Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:32 PM
     
     
     
    Will,
    Please don't mislead people when you say the Restrictive Permitted Dispensary Mother Earth, for whom ASA was known to set up and Bob Reidel is Dion Markgraafs high school buddy as well as Bob hanging closely with Duncan and last years Harvest Cup, it was well known over there at city council and county board that Davidovich was looking for a front man for a Duncan – ASA investment.
     
    This was not the only option
     
    If it was the only option Don Duncan would not have been caught on film actively lobbying that the way to shut down all the stores was to enact "restrictive permitting"
     
    It is his pot monopoly SCAM and I am disappointed that you have joined that cult
     
    Eugene Davidovich smeared the Hope Group, spread rumors that there was child porn on Aarons computer, this is why the Hope group was disbanded.  This was to give Eugene the power to work his lies
     
    NORML was disbanded as they worked to get an iniative on the ballot that would allow level 2 and 3 zoning.  But Eugene – ASA with Don Duncans full backing and blessing had Larry Sweet, Tiffani Kjeldergaard, Dan Murphy – ASA Director, Terri Best, and Adela Falk harass, intimidate, smear, spread rumors and disrupt meetings intently and with purpose.  These people got together and with a few pawns wrote letters and lies to NORML and accused Craig of FINANCIAL EMBEZZLEMENT basically.  THIS WAS ALL DONE AT EUGENE'S DIRECTION AND THE WEEK NORML DISBANDED DON DUNCAN PROMOTED EUGENE.
     
    INCIDENTALLY NOTHING ASA DOES IS TO ENCOURAGE PATIENT GROWS IN FACT STEPH SHERER WAS FILMED AT THE "UNITY" Conference ridiculing that.
     
    ASA is nothing more than a lobby for Restrictive permitting, Harborside etc.
     
    It is because of ASA that there is no zoning in San Diego.
     
    And as far as Mother Earth sharing facial recognition video and photos, transactions and amounts with the sheriffs.  I talked with the software company and they had several meetings with the sheriffs in order to make the software so that the sheriffs could easily access THE ADDRESS OF EVERY GROWER AND VENDOR THAT GOES THERE.
     
    ONE OF THE LARGEST PROBLEMS WITH THAT IS THAT MOTHER EARTH IS LYING TO PEOPLE ABOUT IT.
     
    As the City Beat article pointed out, one month AFTER theWeedlyNews had been running the story, the membership agreement for Mother Earth merely states, "we comply with county code xxxx".  They are purposely NOT informing patients and growers that their addresses and the amount they grow is being shared with law enforcement, and as we know law enforcement has their own agenda.
     
    Because of this controversy I sent a patient into mother earth.  This patient was lied to when asked.  I sent this patient back to Mother Earth with more specific information including a printout of the zoning.  THEY WERE LIED TO AGAIN BY MOTHER EARTH as to this issue.
     
    Bob Reidal was quoted by two verified sources as stating that the understanding was that the City Attorney in San Diego would be shutting down all the 200 stores and he did not know what was taking so long as they expected then to have all that business funneled to them.
     
    Don Duncan and friends stand to make millions.  I am not sure how much you are making. Probably nothing, nice guy that you are.
     
    I also sent you Dan Rush UFCW – and ASA's new "marriage partner" by his own admissions, email stating, "PRESERVING PROP 215 IS…RIDICULOUS"
     
    I watched the videos from the Sac "Unity Conference" as the real message to patients and other groups was, "SHUT UP AND LET US DO THE TALKING", By which they tried to get ab2312 passed which would grandfather in ASA'S RESTRICTIVE PERMIT stores and CREATE NEW PRISON SENTENCES FOR COLLECTIVE WHO DO NOT HOLD THIS GOLDENT PERMIT.
     
    ASA is as dangerous to real patient collectives as the Federal government itself.  But then of course, Steph Sherer has been trying to obtain some kind of exclusive distribution for herself and her buddies at the expense of all the patients and consumers in the State of California anyway right?
     
    Anybody who would support ASA after that should come out and admit that they are not about patients, they are not about small collectives, they are a lobby who wants to infiltrate, turn over, have arrested and destroy California's people's cannabis distribution networks and TAKE THEM OVER FOR PURELY FINANCIAL REASONS.
     
    Any patient who supports ASA should understand that pot monopolies DO NOT HELP PATIENTS.  Why should people be forced to buy cannabis from and ASA store?
     
    And the obvious direction bottlenecking and monopolies would head of course is to then be sold off to Monsanto or other Mega Corps and even Debbie Goldsberry admits that is where that would head.
     
    So, let's address the childish ASA strategy of ASA "leaders" of which you are apparently now one using blueprint tactics to
    shame activists, "you are a bad activist"
    accuse people of not doing something, "well I didn't see you there"
    taking credit for many lawsuits ASA had nothing to do with
    running their groups so people do not understand restrictive permitting
    running their groups so people do not understand outside the local level, "ie it's all Bonnies fault"
    I could go on, but I am an adult and see right through ASA manipulation and their financially motivated agenda.
     
    And I am not afraid to expose it.  I wasted 3 years in ASA meetings.  After ASA's Eugene Davidovich threatened to kill me and I wrote about it on Facebook I received so many letters that is was clear the same activities iniated by ASA of intimidation, harassment and smear campaigns IN ORDER TO SECURE ZONING/RESTRICTIVE PERMITTING for their investors has and was occuring in city after city.
     
    And far from being loved, the are not.  You would be surprised at the well known movers and shakers of this movement who believe Duncan made deals with the FEDS years ago in order to operate his stores, while exchanging information, of which ASA had collective much.
     
    ASA is described by one of the most well known activists in the world in a letter to me, "ASA is the darkside of this movement".
     
    Will, and others.
     
    Wake up.  Do your own research.  Put out letters to people in other cities.  ASA is not a patient advocacy group.
     
    ASA is a lobby created to further the financial interests of Don Duncan, Stephen DAngelo, and several others.  They do this by restrictive permitting.
     
    And as you saw in Mr D'Angelo's article in a public news organization last week, he is more than happy to accuse people, patients and collectives who do  not have his coveted permit of being "shady street corner dealers" and "the city attorney should just close down them".
     
    Will, I spent hours writing up a REAL PATIENT COLLECTIVE.  It was approved.  But guess what?  No Investors.  Why?  No Return.  I know for a fact that their are "investors" for Mother Earth and that they are contractually guaranteed a return on PROFITS.
     
    Doesn't really bode well for that whole "not for profit" thing doesn't it.  But like ASA new spokesperson Dan Rush recently stated, "preserving prop 215 is…ridiculous".
     
    So now that we have established that ASA is actually nothing to do with medical marijuana or patients and everything to do with MONEY, what are YOU going to to do about it?
     
    Donna
     
     
    Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 4:15 PM
     
        San Bernardino County did the same thing as did S.D.'s Board of Supervisors.
         After ti lost, an S. B. resident sued teh County of S.B. to force it to issue teh ID cards.  That person, Scott Bledsoe, just e-mailed me, in response to my e-mail about ASA, to ask if I knew that Don Duncan had tried to DISCOURAGE him from suing to force the County to issue ID cards.  (I'm b-cc copying Scott with this e-mail; I'll leave it up to him if he wants tog et in touch with you.)  Why would ASA do that?
     
           When S.D. "crafted a County Ordinance severely restricting Dispensaries (it was a defacto ban).,"  Did ASA ever consider suing over that ban?  And don't say, "why didn't you (Letitia) do that" because I didn't know anything about medical marijuana at that time, and wasn't active on these issues but on other issues.
     
         Just because local governments try to impede access does not mean that ASA has not also been trying to "shape" what access there is.   I don't agree that ASA is broadly supporting of any and all safe access to MJJ.  "Strategy" to obtain SOME access is NOT a separate issue.
     
     
    >We have all been duped by ASA
    >This scam has happened in city after city
    >ASA sponsors schools and shady lawyers to encourage people to open small stores and then goes to the local government to shut you all down and they will help in exchange for a restrictive permit so they can be the only ones to sell marijuana.  ASA front stores are BPG, Harborside, LAPCG, MOTHER EARTH EL CAJON, Desert Organic Solutions store in Palm Springs, Santa Barbara and Venice Beach. Combined these stores bring in an estimate $150 million per year.  As you can see by reading pages 11-17 in the county code briefly cited by shit attorney Lance Rogers, Mother Earth El Cajon had agreed to turn in all growers and their addresses to the law enforcement without their knowledge or consent.  Lance Rogers is an asshole and does not represent this movement.  In fact, if you used him to set up your store you should file a bar complaint to soliciting clients, conflict of interest, advice to conduct illegal business.  ASA is nothing more than a lobby that
    uses people as human cannon fodder to set up RESTRICTIVE PERMITS for their wealthy investors.  Need proof?  We have it.

     

    Donna Lambert <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 26 09:36AM -0700  

    To top everything off Letitia, I spent hours with both prop 215 and sb420 and wrote up a model collective.  I submitted to the San Diego County Sheriff which submitted it to their legal board and IT WAS APPROVED.  They were very happy about it. 
     
    One major problem.  There was no profit in it.  So there would be no "investors".  It would really be a collective for patients and by patients.  Hence, it could never afford the hurdles to go through the Restrictive permitting process.
     
    So there Duncan is on film actually telling the SD City Council that the way to shut down all the stores is to enact restrictive permitting so most of them would never be able to qualify.
     
    But what about the real collectives, the real patients and the people just growing in their homes.  Well apparently Duncan does not like them either because he has backed death threats, group stalking, theft of database from storefront by ASA, computer hacking by ASA, smear campaigns by ASA against a medical marijuana patient support group where Davidovich led a campaign informing the entire community that the leader was a pedophile.  He was not but the group was destroyed and disbanded.  Then he led a smear campaign against Craig Beresh who was working to get a level 2 zoning measure on the ballot, The NORML group was overthrown and ASA actually announced Davidovich promotion that week.  When the NORML group was allowed to start again, ASA leaders came in and disrupted the first two meetings so I dont think they are really meeting anymore.  Remember that Don Duncan is backing all this and has been updated every step of the way.
     
    When I put it all on facebook I received literally dozens of letters about similar ASA activity in other cities.
     
    Last year former ASA leader Dion Markgraff (whose high school buddy Bob Reidal is the front man OWNER of Mother Earth)  asked to visit me.  One of the first things he said was, "We don't know why your still in this we usually get rid of people before now".  Dion then proceeded to spend 4 hours at my house, telling me Don Duncan asked him to come visit me in person and ask me to stop talking about "Mother Earth".  Everybody who taked regularly at city council and county board knew Eugene was constantly soliciting for a "front man" for "one investment" for "Don Duncan-ASA".
     
    And they did it.  The big scam. Encourage people to rise up and offer them as collateral in exchange for their restrictive permitting.  If people finally begin to understand what is really going we can then redirect this movement before they attempt for a second time to overthrow prop 215.
     
    As their new marriage partner (by his words) Dan Rush of the UFCW stated, "preserving prop 215 is…ridiculous".
     
    The writing is on the wall.  What are we going to do about it?
     
    Donna Lambert
     
    Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:55 PM
     
    Dear Patients, Friends and Family Members;
        I am forwarding information from people who think that ASA is not helping patients, and is actually conspiring to hurt them.  It's at the end of my e-mail message.
        In the past, I myself have sent out some e-mails critical of ASA and Don Duncan's activities supposedly on patients' behalf. 
        For example, ASA, instead of coming out AGAINST Prop. 19, which would have destroyed individual patients' right to cultivate cannabis for themselves – a fundamental human right to grow plants for food, fiber and medicine — was supposedly "NEUTRAL."   But worse than that, ASA wasn't really neutral.  At all events where there was an ASA booth, I always saw "Yes on 19!" signs posted, even though I complained.
         Now ASA has been lobbying for LIMITED numbers of dispensaries in cities, instead of simply opposing the illegal bans of dispensaries.  ASA has been doing so in many places, including San Diego, the source of the forwarded message.
         If you are a patient, BANNING dispensaries is BAD, and so is limiting numbers of dispensaries and therefore competition!
         Competition is good for consumers, and that is what patients are: consumers.  Competition brings down prices, provides greater variety and better service, and provides broader access.  There is no advantage to patients in limiting competition!
          Furthermore, cities and counties do not limit pharmacies!  There are Walgreens and RiteAids right across the street from each other!  People who choose cannabis over prescription drugs have the right, under equal protection of the law, to the same kind of competition among dispensaries as among pharmacies.
         Do not be brainwashed into thinking that begging for limitations on your access to cannabis is a GOOD thing!  It is not!  Organizations that want to help patients should be trying to increase access, not limit it.
         Forwarded is an e-mail from some folks in San Diego, Donna Lambert and William Weedly, who fought, with Craig Berash and others, against ASA's efforts to limit dispensaries in San Diego. 
         Just because ASA has done some good things does not mean that everything it asks you to do is a good idea.  ASA is basically run by one person, Don Duncan, and he, like any person, can have his own agenda. 
           Don Duncan has told people that he is not even a patient.  So, unless you are disabled and living on a fixed, small income, maybe you can't really appreciate the cost benefits of competition.
        Be an informed consumer.  Protect yourself and your legal rights; don't give them away.  And don't give them to the government! 
          This country was founded on the idea that INDIVIDUAL rights are critical to a free society AND that fair and square competition is a GOOD thing. 
           Monopolies are bad; government-sponsored monopolies are TERRIBLE.  Remember: the definition of Fascism is Big Government hand-in-glove with Big Business.
     
           Continuing to fight for the legal rights of individual patients,
     
    Letitia E. Pepper, Director of Legal and Legislative Analysis for
               Crusaders for Patients' Rights
     
    P.S.    Thank you to everyone who showed up at the San Bernardino County, anti-outdoor-cultivation, anti-dispensary hearing on June 15, 2012: ti made a HUGE difference to have such a great audience!  No decision from the judge yet, but he said it would be within 60 days, so by August 15 or so. 
          The next hearing will be an August 13, 2012 8:30 a.m. case management conference in Dept. S-32.  We will just be setting the schedule to submit arguments on related issues, e.g., about how the County violated patients' free speech rights at the hearings on the anti-cultivation/dispensary ordinance.
        
     
     
    >View it in your browser.
     
    >We have all been duped by ASA
    >This scam has happened in city after cityASA sponsors schools and shady lawyers to encourage people to open small stores and then goes to the local government to shut you all down and they will help in exchange for a restrictive permit so they can be the only ones to sell marijuana.  ASA front stores are BPG, Harborside, LAPCG, MOTHER EARTH EL CAJON, Desert Organic Solutions store in Palm Springs, Santa Barbara and Venice Beach. Combined these stores bring in an estimate $150 million per year.  As you can see by reading pages 11-17 in the county code briefly cited by shit attorney Lance Rogers, Mother Earth El Cajon had agreed to turn in all growers and their addresses to the law enforcement without their knowledge or consent.  Lance Rogers is an asshole and does not represent this movement.  In fact, if you used him to set up your store you should file a bar complaint to soliciting clients, conflict of interest, advice to conduct illegal
    business.  ASA is nothing more than a lobby that uses people as human cannon fodder to set up RESTRICTIVE PERMITS for their wealthy investors.  Need proof?  We have it.

     

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