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July 30, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 11 Messages in 6 Topics

    David Malmo-Levine <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 28 01:51PM -0700  

    1) Letitia Pepper decided to attack Dr. Grinspoon with "concerns" that,
    upon further analysis, have no basis in reality. Instead of admitting this,
    or even responding in any way shape or form, she's now moved on to
    nit-picking some post regarding whether it's "pure" CBD or just "CBD rich".
     
    2) Letitia Pepper was supposed to have produced some anti-regulation
    diatribe for Cannabis Culture weeks ago. Nothing has materialized.
     
    The conclusion real activists must draw is that this is a lonely woman,
    desperate for attention of any kind. Because her trolling of cannabis
    activist email lists gives her more human interaction than her failed
    political career, she gives it her attention, but as her support from other
    professionals and activists dwindle and her influence wanes, she will
    disappear, like a mosquito who decides to fly away and stop buzzing in your
    ear.
     
    It might be a rude thing to say, but it's the truth. And given the options,
    I would rather be rude than be a liar … or silently watch as a liar
    pontificates about and mischaracterizes a movement I've been helping to
    build for 20 years.

     

    Letitia Pepper <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 28 06:13PM -0700  

          Over the years, I'd already notice that David Malmo Levine has a hard time making a point without being personally insulting.  
          I try not to be personally insulting, but to be pointed.  To me, questioning people's potential hidden agendas in connection with a political issue is not personally insulting, because it is related to the political reasons they make certain claims. 
          When I thought RLMW was designed to take away patients' rights under Prop. 215, and allow the production of GMO, no-THC cannabis, for example, I made comments about its proponent's, Steve Kubby's, ties to the pharmaceutical industry and his work on a "non-toxic" cannabis lozenge, meaning one without THC.  That personal "fact" was relevant to why his initiative appeared to have been written to allow the production of a "GMO," a "genetically-modified organism"  which was once a cannabis plant, but which had been engineered not to produce THC and thus was now a plant which could be technically described as "not cannabis."
         What I often see is that rather than attack my analysis, people who don't like what I have to say about political and legal issues attack ME instead.
         Recently, David Malmo Levine made a point of copying me with an e-mail he sent to savecannabis, a group to which I cannot post, having been 86'd by Dave Hodge after I expressed the opinion that NONE of the 2012 crop of initiatives was good for patients.  (Now, how's that for wanting full and fair discussions of cannabis issues?  I've got years of training doing neutral analyses of such things, but heaven forbid Dave should let anyone have access to comments which might actually influence them to read and think for themselves before circulating these things.)
         But back to David.  His comments, which criticized me for numerous things, included this one:
        
         "The conclusion real activists must draw is that this
    is a lonely woman, desperate for attention of any kind. Because her
    trolling of cannabis activist email lists gives her more human
    interaction than her failed political career, she gives it her
    attention, but as her support from other professionals and activists
    dwindle and her influence wanes, she will disappear, like a mosquito who
    decides to fly away and stop buzzing in your ear."
     
          Sexism is still so pervasive in people like David that he probably doesn't even see it.   But think about this: why is it that the time I spend on line, like David and others, including Bruce and Terry and all, is evidence that I am a "lonely woman," "desperate for attention of any kind"? 
         Does David think, as he indicates, that the only reason that women get involved in political discussions because they are lonely and desperate for attention?  Maybe he thinks that I'm only politically active because I don't have a husband and children to keep me properly occupied, LOL.  (BTW, does anyone know if I do have a husband or children or significant other?   Maybe I do and they are just really pissed off that I'm online instead of baking bread and taking them to the soccer match.)
         I WISH my problem was that I'm lonely; I'd call a friend and go to the movies.  No, the real problem is that after years of working as an attorney and activist in various areas other than cannabis, of watching little special interest groups try to take over non-profit organizations for their own purposes, of watching back-stabbing and plots in workplaces, I can see what's going on and I want to speak up to protect my own rights, and those of people about whom I care.
           My "failed political career" also isn't the problem.  I never intended to become a politician, so it wasn't a failure or a career.  The only reason I have ever run for any office was to have an opportunity to speak out on issues without being censored by the body in charge of the show.  Candidates in local elections have to be given equal time at forums; it's great!  Same with nonprofit organizations, too.
        Example: I belonged to a nonprofit organization that was violating its members' rights.  After attending a board meeting and speaking about this problem, I was told that "if you don't shut up, we have we ways of shutting you up," and sure enough, at the next board meeting someone moved, and seconded, and passed a new "rule" that members attending such meetings could only speak if there was any time "left" after the Board members had spoken as long as THEY wished.
         What did I do?  I ran for a spot on the Board and won.   So the Nazis on the Board couldn't shut me up. 
         In my city, I ran for Mayor, not because I thought I could win (rule one: whoever has the most money wins), but so I could speak at all events about an issue about which the City was lying to people (its plans to close and sell off public pools and parks).  And guess what?  We stopped the sales.  There's a reason they talk about political platforms: you get a platform from which to speak to the public.
         A few years ago, a council member who I'd initially supported turned out to be a dictator of the worst sort.  He did everything he could to restrict public speech and access to public records.  When I couldn't get someone else to run against him, I ran, which in turn prompted two other people to run, too. And guess what?  I got what I (and my neighbors) wanted: him out of office.
         It's always "easy" to call someone a "failure" when you have no idea what they were trying to do.  It's also one of the meanest things you can say about someone: he's a failure.  So David, in addition to being a chauvinist, is a mean chauvinist.
          One of my college professors was a chauvinist, who would laugh at some of the really sexist Greek stuff he made us read out loud in class.  So one day, I took the reading he assigned me to read out loud, and just changed the gender references as I read.  He crossed the classroom so fast I didn't even see him before he snatched the book out of my hands!  He was so mad I thought he'd have a stroke.   Things aren't so funny when they could apply to YOU, are you, I said.  (And got the first and only "B" I ever got in an English class, but the admiration of my classmates.)
         So, what would David's comments look like, reversed a bit?
     
      "The conclusion real activists must draw is that David Malmo Levine
    is a lonely man, desperate for attention of any kind. Because his
    trolling of cannabis activist email lists gives him more human
    interaction than his failed political career (as the Director of Activist Communications for the late and unlamented RMLW), he gives it his
    attention, but as his support from other professionals and activists
    dwindles (and people question his support of bad initiatives like RMLW and his love of taxation and regulation of a PLANT) and his influence wanes, he will disappear, like a mosquito who
    decides to fly away and stop buzzing in your ear."
     
     
      
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    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 29 07:12PM -0700  

    Is RESCHEDULING what we REALLY want?
    Posted by Mickey Martin on June 6th, 2011
    So the big buzz in the industry is a push to get cannabis rescheduled. On the surface it sounds great. It would bring legitimacy to the industry and allow for research to happen more easily. Those aspects are awesome. There is nothing I would like more than to believe that rescheduling would solve all of the problems of the medical cannabis community. But then I ask myself…..”What does a rescheduled cannabis market look like?”
    It seems like some are under the impression that a rescheduled cannabis market would mean all dispensaries would suddenly become legal and patients would be able to cultivate cannabis freely for their medical use. NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. Chances are, quite the opposite effect would happen. Medical cannabis could be swallowed up by deep pocket companies that would use their lobbying power to ensure that no cannabis could be produced that was not done by licensed corporations and you can be sure that the licensing process would be so restrictive and expensive that ONLY a major drug company could cut the mustard. In turn, your cannabis could also be extremely expensive. Much like people are not allowed to produce their own Vicodin or grow their own opium to make Morphine, cannabis too could become an extremely restricted substance that could only be purchased through a pharmacy. In turn, production of this drug by non-licensed persons could
    become “counterfeiting prescription drugs,” a charge that carries with it a ten year mandatory minimum. So the question I have is, “Why is this the MAJOR focus of our movement, when it is clear that it will most likely destroy the fabric of our community and place our beloved plant in the hands of the enemy only?”
    I obviously believe cannabis SHOULD be rescheduled, but in all honesty, it would seem like a losing scenario for the multitudes of folks who currently provide cannabis medicines, and could decimate the current systems of safe access that have been, or are in the process of being, implemented. To me, without a clear push for legalization, rescheduling becomes another tool, in which the drug warriors can use to further marginalize the hard work this industry has done thus far. It could destroy any chance of patients being able to cultivate and possess cannabis under the current system, as the system could be transfered to big business. The multitudes of small producers that currently earn a living by producing cannabis for patients would cease to exist and we would be left with a homogenized and limited supply of pharmaceutical cannabis that was only available under the strictest of distribution systems. It begs me to wonder why our movement is working
    so diligently to make this happen, when it is not seemingly in our best interest. It is the old rock and a hard place.
    Sure…I want the Government to recognize that cannabis is a legitimate medicine and for people to have access to this great medicine in EVERY state; but although access would seem to be more readily available Nationwide as a result, it could be access to limited genetics, limited diversity, limited quality, and a supply that is dictated not by people who love this plant, but by companies that love money. We could essentially be outlawing the current systems in California and Colorado, and the systems being developed elsewhere, for a system dictated by the very same big business lobbying groups that have kept cannabis illegal and on the black market for all of these years. Is this REALLY what we want?
    My view is this…..Rescheduling should happen for sure, but I do not think it is a great use of this industry’s resources to push for that, as we will probably not be thrilled with the result of it. What we should be focusing on is ensuring that cannabis for medical and enjoyable use are the focal point of our efforts, and begin asking for what we really want…FREEDOM. We should never go into a negotiation looking for the bare minimum. That is a sad strategy. Rescheduling should be a given. It is unconscionable for the Government to continue their  lies and deceit in this area and Joe Public knows that. The toothpaste is out of the tube so to speak. So unless we are looking for some moral victory that would essentially crush the movement we have created, this alone is a losing battle IMO. When we free the plant from the clutches of tyranny and demand that the government re-legalize cannabis for adult use, thus removing the stigma of it being
    a criminal act altogether, then the rescheduling of cannabis becomes an easy goal to achieve. Rescheduling alone seems like another road block and a PYRRHIC VICTORY. Is this what we really want?
    If it is not what you REALLY want then quit wasting time, energy, and money asking for it. Ask for what we really want. To be treated like real human beings and to be free to use cannabis (medically or not) without fearing to be arrested, jailed, and treated like a second class citizen. Until we have that accomplished, the rescheduling of cannabis will simply be another road block to real cannabis freedom. Thanks for throwing me a bone, but I will continue to ask for what I think should be the real message….“The Government has no right to tell me that I am a criminal for growing, possessing, and using a safe and enjoyable plant.” Anything less is a failure to communicate our real wants and needs.
    UPDATE: As the great Don Wirtshafter of Common Sense for Drug Policy pointed out to me…. ”DESCHEDULING should be our mantra….” I am with him. DESCHEDULE CANNABIS TODAY! That I can get behind 100%….
    (“would” has been changed to “could” for a more accurate response and less doom and gloom)
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
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    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***

     

 

 

    David Malmo-Levine <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 29 04:10PM -0700  

    "And it appears, with each passing day, that more and more activists are
    reaching a similar conclusion."
     
    Nearly everyone (except for folks like you and Letitia – people who talk
    lots but don't do anything) support some taxes and some regulations.
     
    I don't know of anyone who has come out with an intellectual defence of an
    argument against the type of regulations that would prevent someone spiking
    hash with heroin or cutting it with shoe-polish.
     
    And even the mighty Jack Herer wasn't against taxes in any of the
    initiatives he signed his name to.
     
    Unlike yourself, I feel it's better to focus on eliminating monopoly – the
    real problem – rather than focus on the impossible and irrational task of
    eliminating the kind of taxes that pay for the post office, roads,
    hospitals, the fire department etc etc etc and the type of regulations that
    are found in today's organic food movement. Minimum taxation and minimum
    regulation make sense – unless you're a zealot who doesn't live in the real
    world. Where is this country that gets by without any taxes whatsoever? You
    should just move there instead of attack anyone who wants to be a pot
    activist in the real world.
     
     
     
     
     
     

     

    "Don E Wirtshafter" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 30 10:42AM +0200  

    I usually know better than to respond to a troll. But Letitia continues to
    put out total bullshit even though she has been called on it several times.
    Letitia tries hard to come across as reasonable and logical, but her line of
    fabrications just does not stop. So I will once again point out this paper
    tiger is out of her mind and should be ignored.
     

     
     
    Did anyone notice that Mr. Kenoyer didn't answer a very simple
    question: where did he get pure CBD?
     
    [DEW:] Kenoyer did not say he got "pure" CBD. He was talking about a 21:1
    ratio, what should be expected from homozygous CBD plants. Some CBD will
    always change to THC in the sun.
     

     
    If you're going to make claims about what "pure CBD" can do, you should be
    ready to demonstrate that that is what you actually used . . . .
     
    [DEW:] He did not say pure CBD.
     
     
    Don't forget, Big Pharma and Big Biotech already have developed GMO
    cannabis with a knock-out gene for THC.
     
    [DEW:] This is the bullshit that bothers me. Letitia used these lies before
    and several of us called her out on it. Letitia could not come up with one
    factoid that pointed out that anyone, anywhere had ever created GMO
    cannabis. Yes she continues to spread this destructive rumor. Stop this
    Letitia, it is veggie libel, and disrespects the plant.
     

     
    Letitia, your ramblings here only demonstrate you do not have a clue about
    botany or Cannabis breeding. CBD comes from GMO manipulation?, sorry no. I
    suggest you start with this article: The Inheritance of Chemical Phenotype
    in Cannabis sativa L. by Etienne P. M. de Meijer, et al.
    http://www.genetics.org/content/163/1/335.full
     

     
    Letitia, if you can read and understand this article and will explain what
    it taught you in a post, I can help you with some more science to bring you
    up to speed. I recommend this seminal article to anyone else who does not
    understand Cannabis genetics.
     

     
    Part of any marketing strategy for this less-effective cannabis is going to
    be to convince people that THC is BAD, and CBD is GOOD, and that THC is just
    for getting high, nothing else.
     
    [DEW:] Nobody is saying CBD makes less effective cannabis except you. CBD
    is a highly effective medicine in its own right.
     
     
    Because THC is part of the mix that prevents and cures cancer, and Big
    Pharma can't stand the loss of so much income over the long haul.
     
    [DEW:] This has nothing to do with big Pharma, Letitia. You have a big
    imagination. The big Pharma boogieman is coming to take your Cannabis away?
    Better stash a few hundred pounds in your basement and buy guns to defend it
    from the big Pharma police who know where you live.
     

     
    I am really tired of your crap. Get real.
     

     

    Chris Kenoyer/OLP <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 30 03:17AM -0700  

    Good Morning Everyone;
     
    I noticed that when she asked what my agenda was?
     
    It shut her up REAL FAST!
     Here Is MY Agenda
    Operation 10% "Adopt A Low Income" Sick Or Terminal Medical Marijuana Patients!
    Kind Of "Operation Pay It Forward!" Your Good Karma From Donating Just 10% Of Your Meds! Or Harvest. To
    A Low Income Sick Or Terminal Patient! From Your Own Town Or Area. The Low Income Sick & Terminal Medical
    Marijuana Patients Need Safe, Legal, & Affordable Access To The Medical Cannabis They All Desperately Seek And
    Need To Have! & It Will Always Get You Tons Of Positive Good Karma! "And Your Own Positive Good Karma"
     Always Gets Returned To You 100 Fold!
     
    Peace & Love To All The Patients
    Sincerely Chris Kenoyer
    s..s@a2c2.us
     
    & I Challenge ANYONE to find something wroung with "Adopting & Helping For Free Low Income Sick Medical Patients..?"
     
    And about Where & How I get my CBD Infused  Oilve Oil..?
     
    Excuse Me! But I Dont List "My Connections Publicly!"
     
    Does anyone "In Their Right Mind" post their connections infomation PUBLICLY!
     
    And With The "CBD's Infused IN Oilve Oil" It naturally is NOT Pure CBD!
     
    Thanks Don for the link that you provided everyone!
     
    It will get posted on my website!
     
    I love fresh input! 🙂
     
    & After working online for over 13+ Years Now Helping SICK PATIENTS!
     
    I Still Know A Troll When I See & Hear One!
     
    Stay Well & Stay Safe Everyone
    Sincerely
    Chris Kenoyer
    A Proud Cannabis Warrior!
     
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    I usually know better than to respond to a troll.  But Letitia continues to put out total bullshit even though she has been called on it several times.  Letitia tries hard to come across as reasonable and logical, but her line of fabrications just does not stop.  So I will once again point out this paper tiger is out of her mind and should be ignored.
     
           Did anyone notice that Mr. Kenoyer didn't answer a very simple question: where did he get pure CBD? 
    [DEW:] Kenoyer did not say he got “pure” CBD.  He was talking about a 21:1 ratio, what should be expected from homozygous CBD plants.  Some CBD will always change to THC in the sun.
     
    If you're going to make claims about what "pure CBD" can do, you should be ready to demonstrate that that is what you actually used . . . .
    [DEW:] He did not say pure CBD. 
     
        Don't forget, Big Pharma and Big Biotech already have developed GMO cannabis with a knock-out gene for THC. 
    [DEW:] This is the bullshit that bothers me.  Letitia used these lies before and several of us called her out on it.  Letitia could not come up with one factoid that pointed out that anyone, anywhere had ever created GMO cannabis.  Yes she continues to spread this destructive rumor.  Stop this Letitia, it is veggie libel, and disrespects the plant.
     
    Letitia, your ramblings here only demonstrate you do not have a clue about botany or Cannabis breeding.  CBD comes from GMO manipulation?, sorry no.  I suggest you start with this article:The Inheritance of Chemical Phenotype in Cannabis sativa L. by Etienne P. M. de Meijer, et al. http://www.genetics.org/content/163/1/335.full 
     
    Letitia, if you can read and understand this article and will explain what it taught you in a post, I can help you with some more science to bring you up to speed.  I recommend this seminal article to anyone else who does not understand Cannabis genetics.
     
    Part of any marketing strategy for this less-effective cannabis is going to be to convince people that THC is BAD, and CBD is GOOD, and that THC is just for getting high, nothing else.
    [DEW:] Nobody is saying CBD makes less effective cannabis except you.  CBD is a highly effective medicine in its own right.
     
         Because THC is part of the mix that prevents and cures cancer, and Big Pharma can't stand the loss of so much income over the long haul.
    [DEW:] This has nothing to do with big Pharma, Letitia.  You have a big imagination.  The big Pharma boogieman is coming to take your Cannabis away?  Better stash a few hundred pounds in your basement and buy guns to defend it from the big Pharma police who know where you live.
     
    I am really tired of your crap.  Get real.

     

 

    s..s@a2c2.us Jul 30 01:57PM  

    Don:
     
    You splitting hairs here.
     
    The real issue is, and remains, whether Cannabis should be handed over to the government and Big Pharma. Everything else is quite moot in my estimation. Had it not been for Letitia's legal analysis during our campaign against Prop19 it is quite possible it would have passed. And that would have been disastrous to the million home growers. You know, those "black market criminals" DeAngelo wants to eliminate in order to persue this "pipe dream" of monopolizing the production and distribution of Cannabis at Harborside.
     
    DeAngello even went further off the deep end when Obama came to town, insisting that Obama should go after those gun toting criminals. Yet not a word about the fact that Obama attempted to eviscerate the rights of Cannabis Consumers to own a fucking gun.
     
    I don't currently own a gun. I abhor guns. But because I'm fairly sure the economy is going to collapse next year I will soon be the owner of a gun. And there is no doubt that Obama is carrying out Agenda21's disarmament policy because when he cuts back the entitlement programs in 2013 there could very well be a blood bath taking place in America. This ultimate "Bankster Bailout" will be the last straw and he knows it. And so does Romney and his handlers. As you all know this crazy man (that would be me) believes that we are at the End Game in America. 2013 begins the administration of the bitter medicine and an official end to whatever vestiges of the American Dream that still exist. Oh, yeah, it may take 5 years . . . but things are going to start really getting both ugly and unsettling beginning in January 2013 when, regardless of who wins, they start gutting our entitlements.
     
    At any rate that is about all the "Marijuana Talk" I can stomach this morning.
     
    I want every activist to read the following article and realize just how insane the "Big Picture" reality of the War on Drugs (e.g. US) has become over the last 50 years.
     
    This is one great "big picture" analysis of WHY the Drug War is a farce. As DeCosto, head of the UN's Drug Policy Group said a few years ago: the only thing keeping the world economy afloat is the laundering of illicit drugs. And every recent president is complicit from Raygun onward. Bottom line? It is not a War on Drugs . . . it is a War on US!
     
    c-i-a-the-mafia-then-now
    http://generalstrikeusa.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/c-i-a-the-mafia-then-now/
     
    I've been talking with Donna Lambert and other "no tax, no regulate" folk lately. In the early 90's I started IDPD (International Drug Policy Day) which predated Dana Beals "Global Marijuana March by about 8 years. I believe IDPD was the first International Grass Root protest against the "War on US." Since the "War on US" is international in scope I'm beginning to think what we really need is a Global organizational effort.
     
    I will be the first to admit that my presidential aspirations are my personal "pipe dream." Obviously I have no chance within this 3 months time frame. But let us look ahead. Let us unite at the state, national and international level. Let us leverage the Internet for all it is worth. And finally let us get some fucking "change we can really believe in,."
     
    Bruce W. Cain
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    I usually know better than to respond to a troll. But Letitia continues to put out total bullshit even though she has been called on it several times. Letitia tries hard to come across as reasonable and logical, but her line of fabrications just does not stop. So I will once again point out this paper tiger is out of her mind and should be ignored.
     
     
     
    Did anyone notice that Mr. Kenoyer didn't answer a very simple question: where did he get pure CBD ?
     
    [DEW:] Kenoyer did not say he got “pure” CBD. He was talking about a 21:1 ratio, what should be expected from homozygous CBD plants. Some CBD will always change to THC in the sun.
     
     
     
    If you're going to make claims about what "pure CBD" can do, you should be ready to demonstrate that that is what you actually used . . . .
     
    [DEW:] He did not say pure CBD.
     
     
    Don't forget, Big Pharma and Big Biotech already have developed GMO cannabis with a knock-out gene for THC.
     
    [DEW:] This is the bullshit that bothers me. Letitia used these lies before and several of us called her out on it. Letitia could not come up with one factoid that pointed out that anyone, anywhere had ever created GMO cannabis. Yes she continues to spread this destructive rumor. Stop this Letitia, it is veggie libel, and disrespects the plant.
     
     
     
    Letitia, your ramblings here only demonstrate you do not have a clue about botany or Cannabis breeding. CBD comes from GMO manipulation?, sorry no. I suggest you start with this article: The Inheritance of Chemical Phenotype in Cannabis sativa L. by Etienne P. M. de Meijer , et al. http://www.genetics.org/content/163/1/335.full
     
     
     
    Letitia, if you can read and understand this article and will explain what it taught you in a post, I can help you with some more science to bring you up to speed. I recommend this seminal article to anyone else who does not understand Cannabis genetics.
     
     
     
    Part of any marketing strategy for this less-effective cannabis is going to be to convince people that THC is BAD, and CBD is GOOD, and that THC is just for getting high, nothing else.
     
    [DEW:] Nobody is saying CBD makes less effective cannabis except you. CBD is a highly effective medicine in its own right.
     
     
    Because THC is part of the mix that prevents and cures cancer, and Big Pharma can't stand the loss of so much income over the long haul.
     
    [DEW:] This has nothing to do with big Pharma, Letitia. You have a big imagination. The big Pharma boogieman is coming to take your Cannabis away? Better stash a few hundred pounds in your basement and buy guns to defend it from the big Pharma police who know where you live.
     
     
     
    I am really tired of your crap. Get real.
     

     

    "andrew garret" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 29 09:17PM -0700  

    LEGALIZE CANNABIS LAW SUIT
     
    Does anyone out there want to take part in a lawsuit against the Federal
    Government to legalize Medical Cannabis. The basic facts of the lawsuit
    are as follows:
     
    [A] According to the US constitution: Article VI, Clause 2 :
    This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be
    made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be
    made, under the Authority of the United States, SHALL BE THE SUPREME
    LAW OF THE LAND; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby,
    any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary
    notwithstanding.
     
    Note the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND wording.
     
     
    [B] – NEXT, ALL drug control treaties that the US has signed including:
    — Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs of 1961
    — Convention on Psychotropic Substances of 1971
    — United Nations Convention against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and
    Psychotropic Substances of 1988
     
    ALL of them make exceptions for Medical Use
     
     
    [C] The U.S. has signed numerous treaties that guaranteeing the right of
    people to be allowed to seek out medical treatment etc.
     
     
    THEREFORE the Federal Governments anti-Medical Marihuana laws are illegal
    etc., etc.
     
     
    IF ANYONE SEES AN ERROR IN THIS LOGIC, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. And GRANTED
    given the power the narc’s can come down with, I don’t think this thing
    has a ghost of a chance, but who knows, it might be worth a shot.
     
     
    Antique Andy
     
     
     
     
     
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