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July 10, 2012 – Digest for s..[email protected] – 16 Messages in 8 Topics

    PeaceLove <s..[email protected]> Jul 10 09:43AM -0700  

    Mickey:
     
    A person's employment status and background don't reveal anyone anything
    about their effectiveness as an advocate for cannabis. Ad hominem attacks
    debase this email list without advancing your argument at all. Please
    address Mr. Colorado's arguments on their merits or restrain yourself from
    posting.
     
    PeaceLove, Jonathan
     
     

     

 

 

    Dave Hodges <s..[email protected]> Jul 10 11:07AM -0700  

    SaveCannabis Members,
     
    I'm back! Sorry I've been MIA for the last month. As soon as I finish
    getting caught up on all the emails over the past month, I will
    address some of this insane bullshit.
     
    A few points worth addressing now:
    1) Yes, another person has been moderating SaveCannabis in my absence
    a. This person is someone I trust.
    b. They have no connection to anyone in the Cannabis industry.
    c. They are a medical cannabis patient who is new to the "movement".
    2) All emails being moderated violate the posting rules for
    SaveCannabis http://savecannabis.org/email/rules/
    3) An update to rules for the SaveCannabis group is in the works & I'm
    open to all suggestions.
    4) An overhaul of the SaveCannabis site is almost ready.
    5) Mickey Martin and Dan Rush/UFCW have no "control" over the
    SaveCannabis group.
    6) The goal of the SaveCannabis forum is to help the cannabis movement
    move forward with open dialog and accountability.
    7.10) Happy 7/10!
     
    What is 7/10?
    Think of 7:10 as you think of 4:20. Not only is it a time, but it is a
    date. This time/date stands for smoking cannabis OIL (aka:BHO, Wax,
    Budder, Honeycombe, “Errl”, etc..) . BHO/Wax has been around for a
    long time, but within the last couple years specific devices have been
    created to improve the way Wax is smoked. Along with these
    improvements came die-hard oil smokers. Some cannabis users completely
    switched over to the use of Wax. Wax is quick and to the point as far
    as medication goes! One or two hits and your as medicated as smoking a
    whole joint to your face! The people who have realized that this is
    “THE NEW WAY TO SMOKE CANNABIS” have formed a movement, The Errl
    Movement or The 7:10 Movement. Join the 7:10 Movement Facebook group
    here: http://www.facebook.com/groups/errl710/
     
    Best Regards,
    Dave Hodges
    Founder
    A2C2 – The All American Cannabis Club – a2c2.us
    SJCBC – The San Jose Cannabis Buyers Collective – sjcbc.org
    SVCC – The Silicon Valley Cannabis Coalition – svcannabis.com
    SaveCannabis – An open forum for the cannabis movement – savecannabis.org

     

    Matthew Meyer <s..[email protected]> Jul 10 12:57PM -0700  

    Hey, 710 spells "OIL" when you invert it! Neat.
     
     
    —
    Matthew Meyer
    PhD Candidate
    Anthropology Department
    University of Virginia

     

    Chris Conrad <s..[email protected]> Jul 10 10:48AM -0700  

    You misunderstood what happened again, Terry.
     
    The problem is that nobody wants to read your crap or to have anything to do
    with you, and between you, Letiticia and Cain you've driven just about
    everyone off of these two lists. Nice work undermining the movement, but
    this time you unified us in agreement that you are a boring bully.
     
    — Chris <s..[email protected]>(phone#-removed)
    _______________
     
     
     
     

     

    Letitia Pepper <s..[email protected]> Jul 10 11:01AM -0700  

            Well, It's been useful and interesting to see posts from the folks who want to push THC-free cannabis as medicinal — that's what I've been expecting would be next in the 1%'s efforts to prevent cannabis from being useful to the 99% as a cancer preventative and cure (not to mention THC's importance as a component in whole herbal cannabis for other ailments, e.g., nausea, pain, etc.)
         If you need to discuss something with me that is important to people who are working on pro-medicinal, pro-patient projects, please send e-mails to me with MY NAME in the subject line, e.g., "LETITIA, here's an e-mail about"
         Thank you.
         FYI, If anyone thinks that I'll be writing an article for Cannabis Culture, or participating in a debate with Mickey Martin and/or David Malmo Levine , don't hoild your brreathes.  I have never heard from David's editor, "Jeremiah" (or else his e-mail got lost in the masses of e-mails reently generated!) or from anyone with details of the when or where of a debate.

     

 

    David Malmo-Levine <s..[email protected]> Jul 09 10:42PM -0700  

    "Cannabis conspiracy theories"?
     
    *Noam Chomsky <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0159008/>*: There's nothing more
    remote from what we have been discussing than a conspiracy theory. If I
    give an analysis of, say the economic system, and I point out that GM *tries
    to maximize profit and market share* – that's not a conspiracy theory;
    that's an institutional analysis. It has nothing to do with conspiracies.
    That's precisely the sense in which we've been talking about the media. *The
    phrase "conspiracy theory" is one of those that's constantly brought up,
    and I think it's effect simply is to discourage institutional analysis. *
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104810/quotes
     
    Throughout human history, political and economic leaders genuinely *have* been
    the cause of enormous amounts of death and misery, and they sometimes have
    engaged in conspiracies while at the same time promoting conspiracy
    theories about their targets. Hitler<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler>
    and Stalin <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin> would be merely
    the 20th century's most prominent examples; there have been numerous others.
    [23] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#cite_note-22> In some
    cases there have been claims dismissed as conspiracy theories that later
    proved to be true.[24]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#cite_note-Fenster_1999-23>
    [25] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#cite_note-24>
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory
     
    "OK. You can call me a Conspiracy Theorist if you call everyone else a
    Coincidence Theorist."
    *"Conspiracy" Theories vs. "Coincidence" Theories*
    by John Judge
    http://www.steamshovelpress.com/latestword15.html
     
    As for the rest of your comments, you must be in one of those places with
    shitty weed. Up here in Vancouver, I never see anything that's not organic
    and fully flushed … just the kind bud. If your friends are bringing you
    the shwag, get new friends. If nobody around you has the dank, move to some
    place better, or learn to grow it yourself. We must all become the growers
    we wish to see in the world.
     
    If we used the wine industry as a model for cannabis relegalization, nobody
    would have a monopoly and there would be some form of quality control:
     
    http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/content/2011/07/07/Crystal-Clear-Glasses-and-Unbleached-Rollies
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

     

    David Malmo-Levine <s..[email protected]> Jul 10 12:25AM -0700  

    And further on this same concept:
     
    Corporations own your genes – Human Genome Patents

     
    Those of us who have long been describing the pharmaceutical industry as a
    “criminal racket” over the last few years have been *wholly vindicated* by
    recent news. Drug and vaccine manufacturer Merck was caught red-handed by
    two of its own scientists *faking vaccine efficacy data* by spiking blood
    samples with animal antibodies. GlaxoSmithKline has just been fined a
    whopping *$3 billion* for bribing doctors, lying to the FDA, hiding
    clinical trial data and fraudulent marketing. Pfizer, meanwhile has been
    sued by the nation’s pharmacy retailers for what is alleged as an
    “overarching anticompetitive scheme” to keep generic cholesterol drugs off
    the market and thereby boost its own profits.
     
    The picture that’s emerging is one of *a criminal drug industry that has
    turned to mafia tactics in the absence of any real science* that would
    prove their products to be safe or effective. The emergence of this
    extraordinary evidence of bribery, scientific fraud, lying to regulators
    and monopolistic practices that harm consumers is also making all those
    doctors and “skeptics” who defended Big Pharma and vaccines *eat their words
    *.
    http://worldtruth.tv/big-pharma-criminality-no-longer-a-conspiracy-theory-bribery-fraud-price-fixing-now-a-matter-of-public-record/
     
     
     
     
    On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:42 PM, David Malmo-Levine

     

 

 

    "andrew garret" <s..[email protected]> Jul 09 08:07PM -0700  

    For those of you interested below is the museum's reply letter to the USP.
    ————-
     
     
    Att Mario Sindaco
     
    First thank you for your reply.
     
    I was advised by our lawyer (who is also helping the museum out with our
    FDA Grandfather clause petition for Medical Cannabis), that we should ask
    for an estimate of cost. I understand that your enclosed letter stated:
     
    “Costs cannot be effectively estimated in advance as they will not be
    known until the actual research and investigation of USP files is
    completed. “
     
    However, as you can tell by our main website: www.AntiqueCannabisBook.com
    – our museum operates on a shoe string and even at the lower rate of $80
    per hour (clerical time) we cannot afford too many such hours. However,
    the information that we have asked for is quite important and of interest
    to many, many individuals.
     
    ———————-
    1 – First (and most important of all), we seek to find out WHY the U.S.
    Pharmacopoeia de-listed Medical Cannabis from it’s official listing of
    approved medicines.
     
    It is generally perceived by members of this museum that it was NOT
    removed for medical or pharmaceutical reasons, BUT instead for POLITICAL
    REASONS. The U.S.P. was simply bullied into compliance by the then Bureau
    of Narcotics under the leadership of Harry Anslinger. This perception
    seems to be UNIVERSAL in nature — to our knowledge no one is saying
    anything other than.
     
    Mr. Sindaco, because old letters, memos, etc., will probably prove this to
    be the case, (at this point), let me be the first to state that there is
    no shame in this. It simply happened, many of us have been bullied into
    taking actions that we would normally not have taken. It simply
    happened, now it’s time to move on etc.
     
    If you cannot provide me with such a cost estimate, can you give me the
    contact information to the U.S.P. librarian’s office. I was told that
    they have the archival records at their disposal and thus I can ask them
    about the amount of time required to pull and look over the correct
    records for the given time period.
     
    ———————-
    2 – With regards to our second request for a copy of an existing Monograph
    – one that we can use as a template for our own filing petition with the
    U.S.P. We are quite taken aback by your response. These Monographs are
    spoken about, just about everywhere on your website, and seem to play an
    important role in any petition/request for re-listing. Yet, try as I may,
    I have not been able to find a single copy of one. Is there no way you
    can just email me a copy of an existing Monograph what we can look over?
    As we plan to just use it as a template, it is unimportant which
    drug/medicine it belongs to.
     
    Hoping to hear back from you soon.
     
    Andrew Garret
    Museum Curator
    www.AntiqueCannabisBook.com
    www.ReeferMadnessMuseum.org
    s..[email protected]
     
     
    PS Your given web address does not seem to be working – were there any
    errors in the address
    http://www.usp.org/aboutUSP/governance/policies/overviewStandardsSetting.html.
     
    Cc: "Theresa R. Laranang-Mutlu"
    Other interested parties
     
     
     
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