Im with ya . You know what I cherish about you mickey? You bring
yourself to the table right or wrong and your willing to examine your
own work and input. With a rare passion which in turn makes others
take a reveiw of how they comunicate . Im sorry for your loss and wish
your family comfort n care.
 
 
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PeaceLove said:
 
 
Deleting the personal, unproductive dick-waving thread below is not
> activism or ideas, air it. But please spare me and others your back and
> forth insult throwdowns.
> Jonathan
 
 
Understood; point well made, and taken. I will refrain myself from such
posturing in the future.
 
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With all the appellate rulings which one is legal ? onsite growing ,off site
growing ,with delivery ,without delivery , with profit ,without profit,

Great questions….but although these activities may be protected by CA law the continued crackdown by the DEA is making these ruling useless. The property owner of our collective got THE DEA letter telling him to get us out or loose his building last year. Two months later he gets another letter saying he has not complied and he better do it ASAP. This meant that we were being watched and he had no choice. We were in 100% compliance in all ways including distance from schools. This ruling is the greatest thing to happen for Prop 215 and gives us strength and belief that we will win one day be triumpth, how will it help collectives today?
 
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Dennis
 

Melinda Haag said:
 
"The larger the operation, the greater likelihood that there will be abuse
> of the state's medical marijuana laws, and marijuana in the hands of
> individuals who do not have a demonstrated medical need," Haag said.
 
 
Because Harborside is large … they must be guilty of breaking State Law;
even if we can't prove it? I'd be willing to bet my last dollar that
HARBORSIDE validates EVERY individuals demonstrated need; they would be
crazy not to … Steve DeAngelo is smart person … HARBORSIDE does not
need too stray from the law to make a buck from abusing the system; they
have 100,000 compliant members who contribute to the collective regularly.
 
GOODWILL is a MULTI-BILLION dollar corporation; that's right GOODWILL makes
BILLIONS each year; selling donated clothing in their world-wide outlets;
AS A MUTUAL BENEFIT NON-PROFIT. If the fed determines the potential for
abuse based on the size of the corporation; then why aren't they going
after the potential abuses of the Church of Scientology and GOODWILL for
abusing their NON-PROFIT status? The believe the answer is because medical
marijuana collectives are easy political targets.
 
The only difference between GOODWILL and HARBORSIDE is the items donated;
which flies in the face of Prop 215; and Obama's promise.
 
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marijuana dispensary draws protest
 
 
"The larger the operation, the greater likelihood that there will be abuse
of the state's medical marijuana laws, and marijuana in the hands of
individuals who do not have a demonstrated medical need," Haag said.

A couple things stand out to me in this exchange:
1. Terry, you apologize for beating a dead horse by…BEATING A DEAD HORSE.
The most impractical "discussion" technique is to defend and excuse your
comments by claiming you don't really mean to say something a certain way,
and then think you are now absolved and can go ahead and say it anyway. It
seems difficult for you to allow a thread to end without getting in the
last word. This exposes you, possibly inappropriately, as a desperate person
who lacks the maturity to accept closure and know when to just STOP. The
better tactic would be to put yourself above the situation and just move on,
even if it means NOT getting in the last word. To help us understand your
view points, I encourage you to not let this deterioration occur in your
postings as it totally distracts from us being able understand the core
intent of your comments. I suggest that you have much to say and sticking to the
issues and not letting yourself get caught up in or initiating
distractions will enhance the value of your input. Terry, in total fairness, I would
direct this to Mickey Martin as well.
2. Just a personal perspective, but one shared by many that I have spoken
to – A self-designation as "Herald" seems somewhat narcissistic (i.e. "You
can censor me; but I'm the voice for the Cannabis Nation"…says who?); and
also can imply in some way that you have deemed yourself more important
than others. By "assuming" that privilege or "right", you can turn people off
and cause them to not take your views as seriously as you hoped. It is
not a fault of yours persay, but more a perception issue that you cannot
control but would be better served by not trying to pat yourself on the back as
much and just give good input and information. Let the masses decide if
you are qualified or deserving of a designation as "Herald". If you take this
more "enlightened" path, you may find many that are gladly wanting to
offer you that praise or title, but otherwise it is just a useless distraction.

These suggestions are made to encourage important voices like yourself and
others to be more influential in getting your message across and increase
the acceptance of your viewpoints and ideas. Again, I believe good advice
for us all.

Next subject please.

Point taken. Thank….
 
 
 

Thank you Dave Hodge; i will take away much in the first paragraph; as too
the second paragraph … a personal perspective; and while it may be good
advice for some; it just doesn't go that deep for me and the therapy is way
off base …
 
Herald is my assignment … I'm writing anonymously … how is that looking
for praise. Don't answer the question if you want to move on to the next
subject.
 
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BTW Dave Hodge,
 
The censorship program on SAVE CANNABIS is obvious … as to your question
… who designated me the Herald to speak for the cannabis nation? Well
I'll answer your question with another question; who designated ASA or
NORML or even you for that matter to speak on my behalf … or even
question me for protecting my own? The answer is obvious … they self
appointed; as did I … i appointed myself to speak the TRUTH for the
Cannabis Nation; does that make me more or less important then anyone;
absolutely NOT; am i looking for that … NO. Does it continue your agenda
to marginalize and alienate? YES. Will it distract me … NOT IN THE
SLIGHTEST WAY.
 
Your comments stink of bias; immaturity … please dude; you this whole
farce is immature; what happened to you man?
 
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    Here's a good question: who REALLY speaks for California patients?
     In California, patients have a legal, state-constitutionally protected right to safe and affordable access, which includes the right to grow, distribute, possess, transport and use cannabis, and to organize collectively to carry out these acts.
     In California, cannabis is the legal alternative to prescription drugs, which, unlike OTC drugs or herbal remedies, can only be possessed legally with a doctor's specific recommendation that cannabis may help him or her. 
       Thus, cannabis is the legal equivalent to a prescription drug.  Hence, efforts to tax cannabis, as an alternative to prescription drugs, is a denial of equal protection, and anyone who is working FOR patients would assert this argument instead of begging to subject patients to being taxed.  Cannabis is expensive enough for most people who can't grow it, so to add a tax to its total cost is truly an anti-patient action; many real patients — people with AIDS and HIV come to mind — already are living on low and/or fixed incomes related to their illnesses.
        One problem with this "movement" is that some of the people most active in this "movement" are not using cannabis as medicine, but as a recreational drug.  Those people, who see it as the equivalent to alcohol, are willing to let it be treated like alcohol.
      People with serious health problems, who've been lucky to find cannabis is their answer to the side effects of prescription drugs, and a way to avoid kidney and liver damage from opiates, have an entirely different perspective than purely recreational users.  They don't see cannabis as "like alcohol."  They see it as an alternative to drugs that were making them sick that can can make them better.
     Cannabis was made legal in California for use as a medicine by people with health problems. It was not legalized to be a recreational drug.
    Therefore, any person, and any group, that seeks to have cannabis in California taxed and regulated like alcohol is not speaking for patients, but for recreational users.  Therefore, ASA is no longer speaking for patients when it promotes things like AB 2312.  ASA is no longer speaking for patients when it uses its funding — money given to a group that supposedly promotes the rights of patients –to promote things like AB 2312 instead of litigating cases that would help establish the rights of patients, in cases like Daisy Bram's case.
       As a patient, I object to ASA speaking for me when it promotes things like AB 2312, and when it urges patients to urge the Legislature to pass such a bill.  There was NO NEED for AB 2312.  There is need for litigation of cases to clarify what is and is not allowed by Prop. 215.

_http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/23940765_
(http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/23940765)

What's up? Pot smokers and activists are supposed to be mellow…oohhhmmm.no single person is going to legalize cannabis and it wont happen unless we unite 100%. So quit bickering between ourselves and peacefully strategically take our anger out on those that are oppressing us.  Peace love n cannabis logic and reason……..
 
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Boy you don't look very far back at who's done what to whom. Does "Thinning
of The Herds" "Restrictive Permitting" or "Stricter Guidelines" have any
meaning? Don Duncan has had ties with each one of these larger centers and
now all have closed down. Does the red light blink? BPG, Harborside,
Oaksterdam, all had ties at one time with Teflon Don. All gone now….and
you wonder why? How thick can it be?
 
 
 
 
 
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Harborside brought this on them selfs by using Oakland's money to fund other cities, like the Measure U Taxes in San Jose. They are not a franchise, nor is the US ready for "The warehouse" model either. Many can't wrap the concept that marijuana is not a drug, until shared or passed with someone else. Most just view it as a drug and say the typical BS we fight against every day.
 
We need to get better at working together and educating. Education is the key because all patients are witnessing is collectives fighting over who is been here the longest bla, bla, bla crap. Get a campaign of educating the ignorance to the typical stereotypes of Marijuana. We are still fighting the past political lies to the war on drugs. Think of all the literature out there that has to be changed after this becomes a schedule 2. This is what we should be fighting for as a group…. Fight the Feds and make changes happen so Marijuana can be tested.
 
We are praying for you all and the emails we read in this news feed….. 4:20 is the time we pause to do this for you and thank God how far we all have come in this movement! How lucky we are to be alive during this change and we are making a difference together.
 
Much love,
Momma D
 
 
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Sorry for my incomplete response. When I said "Chris is exactly
right", I was mainly aiming it at Terry Colorado's many posts
on the alternate opcannabis site, which he initiated (if I understand
correctly) to lash out against censorship,
fighting with Mickey in sexist language, calling each other "pussy",
lacking "balls" and all that — female bad, male good.
 
Mickey assininely played along, initiating/perpetuating the bully-
fight-macho routine, while the rest listened to the testosterone-
driven dumb-shit in disgust.
Nobody is leading anyone anywhere. This bull-fighting stuff drags us
all down into adolescent ways of fighting prohibition.
Letitia's point that her efforts have tried to focus on legal points
is well-taken, and I often agree with her points.
 
Where I differ with all of them is not in their critical stance, since
I too am a critic of 2312 on multiple grounds,
but on the finger-pointing and downgrading of individuals doing the
work of trying to change the law.
Whether we agree in any given instance or not, we are all against
prohibition of a sacred plant and no one has a mature handle on how to
stop that.
 
I wrote the Senate Committee in opposition to the law with 5 points
outlining my "concerns".
Nowhere did I name ASA or NORML or Steph or Dale or Dan or anyone else
as the culprits.
I addressed the intolerable sections in the law that were unacceptable
to the cannabis patient community…
mainly that it failed to exempt from regulation small backyard non-
commercial gardens of patients and caregivers "collectively
associating".
 
Instead it repeatedly mentioned "individual patients" and "individual
caregivers" as protected but not backyard collectives and cooperatives.
Instead of belaboring who's responsible for this…let's focus on
changing it to reflect the "collective cooperative cultivation"
protection in SB420.
 
There are two laws, Prop 215 and SB420, and they are both important.
Prop 215 doesn't even mention collectives, but SB420 expands our
rights to include the right to associate collectively.
Prop 215 is the foundation of the equation, while SB420 takes it
further into practical application –
allowing "2 or more" to cultivate collectively without regulations,
penalties and meddling government agents
if they choose to avoid participating in regulation thru a storefront
to sell their product.
 
If we're fussing and screaming about who was responsible for this
glaring omission — whether it was the League of Cities or Ammiano or
ASA –
we miss the chance to focus on the language in the law. Instead we're
spewing hate which lands on everybody and taints our common purpose.
 
pebbles
 
 

Pebbles said:
 
> omission — whether it was the League of Cities or Ammiano or ASA — we
> miss the chance to focus on the language in the law. Instead we're spewing
> hate which lands on everybody and taints our common purpose.
 
 
What is left out of your post Pebbles is that ASA was caught with their
hands in the cookie jar; everyone knows what i'm talking about; they have a
history of restrictive permitting … ab2312 was not the first time ASA
tried to stop free market … or has this very basic fact been lost in the
mix? How many ordinances now in major cities have ASA screwed up with their
language? San Diego certainly … Sacramento possibly? San Jose? Don't
know. Anyone want to add to this?
 
Daisy Bram is a patient that needed ASA; ASA had a million dollars yet
chose to CONTINUE their support of AB2312 instead of using those resources
fight strong on her behalf; on a poster patient case; despite myself and a
few others raising the red flag. Instead of explaining the situation they
went silent and sent out Dan Rush and a few others to defend AB2312;
continuing their support for the bill; instead of trashing the bill; and
supporting patients instead.
 
Now that Harborside has received a letter from the feds; where do you think
ASA is going to be? That's right; everyone has their priorities … and if
i want to 'HATE' ASA for choosing not to protect a real patient like Daisy
Bram; what is wrong with that? Its not wrong brothers and sisters; what
they are doing is wrong. I don't hate ASA; but if you tell me your a duck
… then be a duck. Quack, Quack.
 
NOTE: Don't get me wrong … i love that Harborside is standing up to the
DEA; and for that Steve Deangelo is the man! That's right … i behind you
Mr. Deangelo; DOJ can suck it. Take the sorry bast… down … sir.
 
Now before i go on … is pointing this out or having this opinion …
"hate?" First of all; "hate" is a very strong word … you know "hate
crime" … like I hate you because you smoke weed. I don't hate ASA; or Don
Duncan or Steph Sherer; i don't like that ASA claims to be a patient
advocacy but spends there efforts and money to promote and protect a few
key donors. AGAIN … does having this opinion mean I "hate" ASA?
 
Besides; even if i hated ASA; so what … is it wrong to "hate" an
organization for misrepresenting to me that they are looking out for my
best interest; and to suddenly find out they are not … in fact .. hands
in the cookie jar says … they are out for their own self interests. Hate
… really? Anyone ever say they hated the IRS?
 
Maybe it was my method that made some think of "hate;" Once attacked; i
attack twice as hard without the thought of taking prisoners … is that
wrong … well i think for certain situations … yes its wrong … this
very situation for instance; Mickey is mourning his mother's passing; and I
think that some have tried to capitalize on the "fight" to alienate using
this strong word "HATE."
 
Hate … though … ? I think even Mickey would agree there was no hate in
our fight; bravado; egos; etc … yes; but no hate … and certainly no
intended sexism; is it sexist to call a guy a "pussy" … is it sexist to
call a woman a "dick?" I don't know … i'm sorry if i'm sexist … i've
been calling dudes pussy and dick for years never realizing … sexist? I'm
not sure; certainly it was insensitive to the receiving audience …
possibly … but intended sexism? Not hardly.
 
Hate? Right i don't see hate; i see pro-reg elite slinging the word around
to inflame an already chaotic situation; sexist … not really … just
words to excite.
 
Relax my friends … Mickey and I are two strong men who got into a
slugfest in front of a crowd …
 
 
Chris said:
 
You misunderstood what happened again, Terry.
 
The problem is that nobody wants to read your crap or to have anything to
do with you, and between you, Letiticia and Cain you've driven just about
everyone off of these two lists. Nice work undermining the movement, but
this time you unified us in agreement that you are a boring bully.
 
 
Chris I'm not receiving much from Save Cannabis except the other side of
the conversation; yours i missed; it would be easier if you sent your
responses to OpCannabis (link below) so that i can respond to your
very inflammatory email … btw is this "hate?" If it is i didn't take it
that way … sorry i didn't pick that up.
 
Chris you are wrong … plenty of people want to hear my "crap" … or is
it YOU and a few others who are the group who doesn't want real patients to
hear? I send the message to Mickey; who was mutually willing to combat …
you attack me without any provocation; i never even mentioned you in a post
… nothing … and from out of nowhere … hello Terry .. you suck …
please leave because "nobody" wants anything to do with you … what the
eff is that … am I'm supposed to care if you personally have this opinion
… can you clarify "nobody" son? And why are you taking up for Mickey
anyway? The dude can and was slinging mud way better then your lame .. okay
… sorry almost went there … enough.
 
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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Pebbles Trippet <s..[email protected]>wrote:
 

   Everyone who got this post didn't get the post I sent to Pebbles that prompted it.
   In terms of whether we are all trying to get to the same point or not, the problem I see is that we are not.
    The fundamental issue is this: is access to a plant a individual right that cannot and should not be impeded by government regulation, or is it a right that is controlled by the government to do with as it likes?  Including the right to create market oligopolies?
     At the present moment, we are so lucky that Prop. 215 passed because it is why Californians have individual rights that cannot legaly be taken away by the State legislature.  That is why the limits on the amounts a patient could possess and grow were struck down in people v. Kelly.
     We have also always had the right to associate together to do, as groups, what we could do legally as individuals.  We didn't need SB 420 for that; that right comes from the federal and state constitutional rights of freedom of association.
      We do not have the right to sell marijuana for a profit; Prop. 215 did not make the sale of marijuana legal or exempt patients from the laws against sales.  Jerry Brown, as Attorney General, was very clever; he made a distinction between sales as an activity for profit, and distribution among members with a sharing of the costs of production.
      I will continue to name names when it comes to people doing things to interfere with patients' rights in order to obtain some special benefit for themselves. 
      Richard Lee and Prop. 19 was a true wake-up call for patients; it was no accident that after 14 alleged revisions, it was so cleverly written to have one effect, while it was marketed as having quite another.  And the fact that Lee used an LLC, Seymour something on other, as one of his tools to try to pass Prop. 19 was no accident, either; people would probably be very surprised to find out just what people were participants in that LLC. 
 
 
— On Wed, 7/11/12, Pebbles Trippet <s..[email protected]> wrote:
 
Cc: "Letitia Pepper Pepper" <s..[email protected]>, "Chris Conrad Conrad" <s..[email protected]>, "terry colorado colorado" <s..[email protected]>, "Mickey Martin" <s..[email protected]>
 
Sorry for my incomplete response. When I said "Chris is exactly right", I was mainly aiming it at Terry Colorado's many posts on the alternate opcannabis site, which he initiated (if I understand correctly) to lash out against censorship, fighting with Mickey in sexist language, calling each other "pussy", lacking "balls" and all that — female bad, male good. 
Mickey assininely played along, initiating/perpetuating the bully-fight-macho routine, while the rest listened to the testosterone-driven dumb-shit in disgust.Nobody is leading anyone anywhere. This bull-fighting stuff drags us all down into adolescent ways of fighting prohibition.Letitia's point that her efforts have tried to focus on legal points is well-taken, and I often agree with her points.
Where I differ with all of them is not in their critical stance, since I too am a critic of 2312 on multiple grounds,but on the finger-pointing and downgrading of individuals doing the work of trying to change the law.Whether we agree in any given instance or not, we are all against prohibition of a sacred plant and no one has a mature handle on how to stop that.
I wrote the Senate Committee in opposition to the law with 5 points outlining my "concerns". Nowhere did I name ASA or NORML or Steph or Dale or Dan or anyone else as the culprits.I addressed the intolerable sections in the law that were unacceptable to the cannabis patient community…mainly that it failed to exempt from regulation small backyard non-commercial gardens of patients and caregivers "collectively associating".
Instead it repeatedly mentioned "individual patients" and "individual caregivers" as protected but not backyard collectives and cooperatives.Instead of belaboring who's responsible for this…let's focus on changing it to reflect the "collective cooperative cultivation" protection in SB420.
There are two laws, Prop 215 and SB420, and they are both important. Prop 215 doesn't even mention collectives, but SB420 expands our rights to include the right to associate collectively.Prop 215 is the foundation of the equation, while SB420 takes it further into practical application – allowing "2 or more" to cultivate collectively without regulations, penalties and meddling government agents if they choose to avoid participating in regulation thru a storefront to sell their product.
If we're fussing and screaming about who was responsible for this glaring omission — whether it was the League of Cities or Ammiano or ASA –we miss the chance to focus on the language in the law. Instead we're spewing hate which lands on everybody and taints our common purpose.
pebbles
 
      Is Chris exactly right that I, Terry and Bruce Cain are the problem?
      I've worked really hard to explain the legal problems with people's claims and ideas.  I can see how people are trying to sneak GMO cannabis into legislation.  Unlike anyone else who's criticized me, I neutrally reviewed and analyzed legislation for a living for years and years.
       I could see how the pro-Prop.19 people, including Chris Conrad, were outright lying to patients who trusted them, because of their "names" in the "movement."  So much for being a "name."
    I've helped patients, for free, avoid being prosecuted and getting their medicine back — without going to trial.  I'm now being prosecuted by the State Bar for defending, for free, a mother's right to use cannabis while caught up in an unwarranted dependency case — and rather than pleading guilty, I'm doing the work, taking the risk, and paying the defense costs to turn my prosecution into an indictment of the judge who refused to follow Prop. 215 and county laws protecting parents legally using cannabis and, with any luck, a published opinion about the rights of defendants to be accompanied to court by pro bono, retained counsel to challenge their appointed counsel as ineffective at a Marsden hearing. Why?  To benefit other people.  And because it pisses me off to see government officials — or anyone — lie and refuse to follow the laws we fought to get in place.
      I have only been involved with medical marijuana recently — because IT WORKS for my MS and beats the horrid prescription drugs that made me sick.  Before that, I did other civil rights type cases — and won.  But my recent and sincere involvement earns me nothing but scorn and outright lies from people like Chris Conrad and David Malmo Levine and Mickey Martin and scorn for not winning any "pot" cases. 
    Last night, I was at my city council meeting until midnight — opposing a racist redistricting plan that violated the Voters Right Act, a proposed "fee" that violated CEQA and was illegal as an unvoted-upon tax on property not benefited by the capital improvement, and more.
 
 
— On Wed, 7/11/12, Pebbles Trippet <s..[email protected]> wrote:
 
Cc: "terry colorado" <s..[email protected]>, "Chris Conrad Conrad" <s..[email protected]>, "Mickey Martin" <s..[email protected]>, "Letitia Pepper Pepper" <s..[email protected]>
 
Chris is exactly right. 1) No one was asked if we wanted to be put on a separate unnecessary OpCannabis email list, in addition to SaveCannabis.2) For people who don't want a cannabis monopoly over distribution, Terry took the cake by monopolizing the list with two way conversationsthat turned into macho shouting matches oblivious to the rest of us, who increasingly found them gross, demoralizing and dumb, and dropped out. 3) You are a lousy ambassador for your brand of prohibition. With "friends" like you, who needs enemies.  4) There is no room in our community for a selfish sexist low-life bully intent on humiliation, infecting our paths of communication. 5) Silence is golden. Non-response is eloquent. Go away.pebbles
 
You misunderstood what happened again, Terry. 
The problem is that nobody wants to read your crap or to have anything to do with you, and between you, Letiticia and Cain you've driven just about everyone off of these two lists. Nice work undermining the movement, but this time you unified us in agreement that you are a boring bully.  
— Chris <s..[email protected]>(phone#-removed)
_______________
 
 
 
 
On 7/10/12 10:05 AM, "Terry Colorado" <s..[email protected]> wrote:
FYI: This email thread was highly censored on Save Cannabis; didn't make it out to the rest of the list … here is the full thread so you will understand how they censor on Save Cannabis.
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Date: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:08 PM
 
 
Mickey,
Now you want to be friends? You called me a coward and then you challenged me to a fight because you decided to attack me and sensationalize an email with your inappropriate reference to your mother.
Now you DON'T want to fight because you are afraid of an old man. that's fine  … at least you aren't too proud to say it. HAHA … BESIDES I'M NOT SO OLD I CAN'T WHOOP YOUR TROLL LIKE ASS.
Anyway bro … if you really want to resolve this … stop CENSORING PEOPLE AND MANIPULATING SAVE CANNABIS list serv. 
Most of the time you are wrong; and this is no exception.
Go write your eulogy warrior … i'll see you in the funny papers.
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On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Mickey Martin <s..[email protected]> wrote:
You are too funny, dude. I mentioned my mother's passing as reason why I had been absent from the conversation for a few days. You are the one who decided to use it as a weapon against me. That is fine. Do your thing. Whatever makes you feel better.Honestly, when you first began to post you seemed a bit brighter. But it seems you drank the kool-aid and went off the irrational deep end with the wingnut posse. That is your business.I was not paid for CSPARC except for drafting it, stupid…and the campaign is not over yet. But almost 30k signatures with no money is not something I am ashamed of. In most other counties I would have qualified three times over. Sac is a challenge.But we will be bringing the effort back soon for round 2. As for my real job, I am booked, yo. I turn clients away every day. Only so much time in the day. Your statements questioning my employment and assuming dumb shit that is no where near reality just shows your ignorance.I have
no interest in you. You are a big mouth nobody in a whole world of big mouth nobodies.Good luck with your future. Try to do some soul searching though and figure out what you are really mad at. I am not even sure what made you attack me in the first place. Because I was not opposed enough to AB 2312? Be sure my questioning of their effort did more damage than your anonymous kicking and screaming.Like I said.  Not sure how we got here, but I can assure you I am nobody's bitch. But you know that. That is why I was your "hero." Talk about comedy. Geez, Terry..  what is the real fucking problem here and how do we solve it?I enjoy a good argument, but we both got better shit to do than this childish back and forth.I will be the bigger man and call a truce if you are game. If not, I will see you when I see you.On Jul 9, 2012 8:30 PM, "Terry Colorado" <s..[email protected]> wrote:
Look Asshole; you brought up your mother's passing; that's on you … i would never use my mother or family or friends like that .. .but like you said your prerogative. You want to use your family to sensationalize an email; that's on you … straight up ONLY FROM YOU ASSHOLE.
That's what i thought you fuck; no balls. Talk major shit … then when it comes to put up or shut up … well Mickey doesn't have the balls to put up nor even the intelligence to shut up.
My name  .. you want my name .. how about "Mickey Martin is MY Bitch."
 
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On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Mickey Martin <s..[email protected]> wrote:
Yawn….
You are a fucking joke. Admittedly, you talking shit about my mother's passing has made me give you more attention than you are worth…..
I am not hard to find, and neither are you….Let's just agree to hate one another from afar and try to stay out of one another's hair…..I have no interest in escalating this to some shit we will both regret. 
If you are too ashamed of who you are to sign your messages with your real name, that is your prerogative.
Have a good night, pal…..
Yours Truly….Mickey
 
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Terry Colorado <s..[email protected]> wrote:
You not too smart; which is it Mickey; Is it Vail; Sacsterdam; Peppers; Martin … i've been accused of being everyone and no one. Fact is i prefer being anonymous in my writing; live with it my mentally challenged friend. You are short on clues; body and intelligence.
Mickey Mouse said:
I could sit here and make idle threats and let Mr. Vail know that the world has just become a much more dangerous place for him. 
You don't want to make an idle threat; wtf bitch … you just did; now what? Frankly its not allowed for me to take credit for KICKING AB2312's ASS; or to tell anyone my real name; but for you little mouse; i will make an exception … I'm right here in Sacramento little boy; call me out before you come into town  … i have a place were you and I can go and straighten things out. I wouldn't mind shoving something besides your other foot … into your stupid mouth. Frankly; if you had a sack of nuts you wouldn't be hiding behind Save Cannabis and Dan Rush. I will be surprised if this response makes it out of Save Cannabis.
As for success and accomplishments; I guess you screwed up your gig up in Sacramento County isn't that right CSPARC? Where's the results … what somthing less then 25,000 sig's and you were PAID. lol … guess you won't be getting a gig like that anytime soon … oh wait maybe that's why you still sucking up to Pro Reg crowd after you blew it dumb ass; you had them on the ropes but you were the coward; now you have to

Apologize if i'm beating a dead horse but based on a post from Mickey this
morning; i do believe a few things need to be clarified:
 
My following point is that nobody attacked Mickey; Mickey attacked first;
he went after my "coalition of blowhards" … I am Herald at Arms; i'm
going to take up for my people; Mickey attacked and I responded. I'm not
bringing this up for another fight; i'm trying to point out that Mickey
initiated the attack that brought all this on; and a few obstructionist and
pro-reg jumped into the fight without being invited in defense of Mickey.
 
Mickey directly challenge me and my friends … so i came to the party. We
are good though … I just wanted to clear the air; and clarify the
situation and keep it real. Stay golden we are on the same path.
 
Post sent to Save Cannabis yesterday morning at 8:58am from Mickey.
 
Mickey said:
 
I never hated him at all, and I do not hate him any more or any less. But
> But I appreciate your candor and willingness to at least make me think
> about my actions going forward. I will try to reel it in…..maybe. We will
> see how it goes.
 
 
 
Fake name or not … baseless attacks? Just not true; explain how I was off
base on ASA or Dan Rush? I attacked Dan Rush and Mickey because they BOTH
attacked William West and Letitia Peppers; and lets not forget Bruce Cain
either; i have tremendous amounts of respect for all these folks even if
some of some don't; my point is; NOBODY cried foul when Mickey and Dan were
attacking these folks ceaselessly for their views … and as far a i could
tell none of my HERO'S were attacking; just stating opinion and knowledge;
even offering solace and understanding. Read on please …
 
 
The Original Attack
 
Mickey said:
 
> bullshit, as nearly all of it is based in fear-mongering and
> attention-seeking. None of the hyperbolic madness coming from this group is
> even based in reality.
 
 
I will highlight the words forming the attack: Lunatic fringe bullshit;
ignorant and unfounded rhetoric; bullshit; fear-mongering and attention
seeking; hyperbolic madness … not based in reality.
 
Bruce Cain said:
 
Sorry to hear about your mother. My father passed in January and I know
> pressure but it was NOT what I wanted to do. And rest assured that while I
> will always challenge the "ideas" I don't like I do try to avoid ad homined
> attacks of individuals. We are not coming after you.
 
 
I will highlight the words forming the attack; … NONE:
 
 
Mickey responded:
 
"We are not coming after you" B-Cain
> They used my own tax money to follow me for two years, kick my door in and
> try to take me to prison. I am not a huge fan of giving the Feds, or the
> State for that matter, tax money either.
 
 
I will highlight the words forming the attack: mouse in pocket; dangerous
coalition of blowhards; obsession; newflash;
 
Just clearing the air and keeping it real …
 
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Well darn … i sent my last email before i wanted to … meant to hit the
save now button and sent it instead so i apologize if it seems a bit
disjointed or unreadable. This one won't be any better. My writing isn't
the same unless i'm medicated; and unfortunately i'm not.
 
Its true that Pro-Reg is coming hard now; but i will weather the storm here
on Save Cannabis if Dave Hodge is fair and lets me get my message out,
without screening or censoring my posts. We will see; he seems like a stand
up guy. In return i will tone down the aggressive rhetoric and
bad language that seems to creep some of you folks out. i know Shona will
appreciate that.
 
If not … no big deal; OpCannabis is gaining new subs every day. I've got
another email list of over 2500; and my facebook just maxed at 5000
cannabis heros; from which i will recruit even more members to the
OpCannabis list very soon. I speak to and recruit a couple of dozen
patients five days a week; and i ask them … do you know ASA; at least
ninty percent have never heard of ASA, or no very little about ASA. Its
true; we are leaderless and I am looking for a leader to Champion.
 
This isn't hate; as Pro-Reg would have you believe. I hate no one. Lets get
that straight; yah i attacked hard when i was provoked; because it was
necessary. Pebbles talks about monopolizing the lists, but this scene DPFCA
& SaveCannabis is so Pro-Reg biased it was necessary for the sake of the
message to defend my self twice as hard as i was attacked.
 
The resolution is simple; don't attack me. Mickey attacked me first; i
responded in kind and twice as hard. Mickey is a proud guy .. he don't want
to back down … like me so he responds in kind; twice as hard … then
versa visa versa and next thing you know we are two major assholes throwing
down in front of a crowd.
 
Some hate it … some claim to hate it, but participate … because some
people absolutely love a train-wreck. Well I go both ways; i can fight the
good fight; but i also can get in the mud; and i sling it better then most;
which is why Pro-Reg wants me silenced. Don't worry though; I won't abandon
you Good people of Cannabis Nation; I may tone down the rhetoric for the
sake of harmony; but i won't be silenced and i won't easily go away as you
have learned. Not gonna work .. i'm not afraid and i won't
be harassed or intimidated.
 
I'll just add that i am a member of this community; and despite efforts to
the contrary I will remain a member for life. I'm a citizen of California;
i live in Sacramento; and I'm NOT GOING AWAY; and i won't be silenced; by
obstructionists or the Pro-Reg elite.
 
You can censor me; but i'm the voice for the Cannabis Nation; and I have
plenty of ears NOT too sensitive to the truth who rely on me to keep the
Pro-Reg crowd honest; i will continue my message albeit on my own channel
if necessary.
 
Check out my page at www.facebook.com/sacterdam; unfortunately I can't add
you as a friend because i've already reached the 5000 friend maximum;
however i am making moves to accommodate you in the future.
 
Mickey and I have; as far as i believe; squashed our fight; and while we
may not be friends we have agreed to at least co-exist amicably from a
distance; besides i can't help but like the guy; everyone should read the
post he put online in tribute for his mother; its very touching; gave me a
good look at the Mickey Martin I admire and respect.
 
Thank you for listening,
 
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