Tim Perkins <s..[email protected]> Aug 27 08:24AM -0700
Only the woefully uninformed, or deliberately ignorant could argue the
2000 election. NOBODY WON! Bush was selected, not elected, and ALL
research and evidence shows Gore won regardless of the Nader votes!
Libertarians are Republicans who want to smoke pot and get laid, that's
all so, drop the holier than though B.S. with the third party crap. If
you have more than two parties you lock out representation for the
majority of the people, and minority rules. Go back to elementary school
with this fantasy.
Starchild <s..[email protected]> Aug 27 06:57PM -0700
I agree with you that Al Gore got more popular votes than George W. Bush in 2000, and that Bush was essentially selected — I was simply referring to the outcome. Your statement about Libertarians is rather simplistic and judgmental — I don't think you really understand what libertarianism is about (not necessarily your fault — there's a lot of misinformation out there, and some Libertarians themselves can give wrong impressions).
However if you are interested in learning more without taking a heavy investment of time [e.g. reading a book like "Healing Our World" by Mary Ruwart ( http://www.ruwart.com/healing/ ) or "For A New Liberty" by Murray Rothbard ( http://mises.org/document/1010/ )], I can recommend the following as two quick takes on the philosophy:
(1) The Nolan Chart quiz — http://freedomkeys.com/whoshould4.htm
(2) The International Society for Individual Liberty's 8-minute "Philosophy of Liberty" animated video — http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Tim Perkins wrote:
> Only the woefully uninformed, or deliberately ignorant could argue the 2000 election. NOBODY WON! Bush was selected, not elected, and ALL research and evidence shows Gore won regardless of the Nader votes! Libertarians are Republicans who want to smoke pot and get laid, that's all so, drop the holier than though B.S. with the third party crap. If you have more than two parties you lock out representation for the majority of the people, and minority rules. Go back to elementary school with this fantasy.
On Aug 26, 2012, at 2:16 AM, Starchild wrote:
Steve Kubby <s..[email protected]> Aug 26 08:20PM -0700
Advice to Defendants
by Steve Kubby
I receive requests several times a month from defendants who suddenly find themselves forced to defend their lives, their right to use medical cannabis and even the Bill of Rights. Like you, each defendant is suddenly forced to cope with a predatory criminal justice system that judges them guilty, until proved innocent. This advice is intended to help provide you with the necessary tactics to succeed against the terrifying challenge you now face.
Here are the key concepts you must master to win:
1. NON-COOPERATION WITH TYRANNY IS A DUTY. America was founded on the premise that we have inalienable rights that cannot be separated from us by any law or government. The Drug War is unconstitutional, immoral, and no longer supported by voters or juries. Your non-cooperation with this corrupt war on American citizens is the surest way our Constitution and Bill of Rights can be restored.
2. NONVIOLENCE – We don’t want to kill our enemies, only expose their lies and their greed for power over others. Any form of anger on your part must be left at the door, or it will make you no better than your adversaries and bring failure to your efforts. Only when others sense your commitment to the high road, will the justice you seek become possible. Those who attended my trial saw that I always wore a suit and showed respect. I even held doors open for my prosecutors, so they could push in their huge cart filled with 4,000 pages of lies against me. My polite behavior only made their accusations look more wild and ridiculous.
3. REFUSE TO WAIVE TIME – You have the Constitutional right to a speedy trial and yet virtually every defendant is told by their attorneys to waive their right. What attorneys never tell their clients is that if they refuse to waive time, they must be tried within 60 days or the case must be dismissed. In the real world, few prosecutors can prepare a case in 60 days and even fewer courts can organize a jury trial in that time.
4. NEVER PLEA BARGAIN – This is a slippery slope. It might look like a great idea to begin with, but in the end, you lose, everyday for the rest of your life. You won’t get what you were promised and you’ll only endanger others by cooperating with government terrorists.
5. GO ALL OUT ON THE PRELIMINARY HEARING – Winning your Preliminary Hearing means the judge will dismiss the case and your troubles are over. Most defense attorneys will advise you to do little in your Preliminary Hearing, so they can see what the prosecution’s case is about and then prepare a defense. That is definitely the wrong tactic in a bona fide medical marijuana case. You want an attorney who will fight with everything you have to win your case in the Prelim, regardless of the costs or time involved. Top medical marijuana attorney J. David Nick once took a Prelim on for 18 months, until the prosecutor gave up in desperation.
6. INSIST ON A JURY TRIAL – Less than 3% of defendants exercise their right to a jury trial and yet the court system is in near gridlock. Refusing to cooperate and demanding a trial places a significant load on the criminal justice system and is the surest way to end this phony drug war. Many medical marijuana trials end in acquittals or hung juries, so take your case directly to your fellow citizens and trust them to see through the prosecutor’s lies.
7. USE THE MEDIA – Most courts will not allow you to tell your story and you must depend upon the media to get the truth out. Focus on winning in the court of public opinion and your victory with the jury will be assured.
8. TARGET POLICY MAKERS – ignore the police and prosecutors and target their superiors. It is Sheriffs and D.A.s who are the generals in the Drug War and they are the ones who are responsible for your current grief. Organize a recall election against your D.A. Your recall will probably fail miserably, but your D.A. will back off prosecuting other medical cannabis patients, once you put a little heat to their feet.
9. SEEK CIVIL AND CRIMINAL PENALTIES – Use the courts and your local grand jury to obtain indictments and convictions against rogue officials, since this is the ONLY thing sheriffs, police chiefs and district attorneys understand or respect. Never forget what was done to you until EVERY rogue sheriff, district attorney, police chief, and judge has been brought to justice. We owe it to all who have died and suffered horribly in this war to dedicate the rest of our lives to bringing these drug war criminals to justice.
10. REFUSE PROBATION – Probation is no different than plea bargaining, because you are trading away your rights for a deal that will never work in your favor. You are better off to take jail over probation, because probation nearly always leads to further violations and trouble with the law.
11. DOCUMENT ABUSES – It’s your job to document and prove abuse. Sooner or later, a reform-minded administration will be elected and they will want to investigate your charges and seek justice.
You are now a professional defendant. Your life will be your trial. Do what you can to survive and remain true to the belief that YOU ARE INNOCENT. The Compassionate Use Act of 1996 gives you the RIGHT to use, grow and possess this medicine. Don’t be afraid to stand up for what you believe.
Good luck and remember to focus on the positive.
"Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..[email protected]> Aug 27 06:27PM -0700
My advice to Steve,loveingly .. pls answer my request for transperant
planning for 2014 draft
"andrew garret" <s..[email protected]> Aug 26 04:51PM -0700
Antique Cannabis Museum Update: Aug 26, 2012
Below is a list of what’s going on with the Antique Cannabis Museum.
Please if you can help out, please do so.
Does anyone out there live in either Tampa Florida or Madison Wisconsin?
We need some boots on the ground over there.
VICTOR LICATA INNOCENCE PROJECT:
Putting together a book trying to clear the name of Victor Licata for a
crime he did not commit —this crime in effect created the anti-Medical
Cannabis Laws. So far about 7 chapters of a book have been written.
CANNABIS FDA GRANDFATHER CLAUSE PETITION:
It has been more than a year now since we put in that grandfather FDA
approval petition with the FDA. The petition can be seen at
www.AntiqueCannabisBook.com — just go down and click on a sign that says
FDA grandfather clause approval.
At this point, it has now been almost a year since we put it in and so far
we only have gotten one letter back (about 6 months ago) saying that it
was still in the pipeline.
U.S. PHARMACOPOEIA RE-LISTING PETITION:
The U.S.P. is a semi-governmental, private organization that lists WHAT
IS/IS NOT, official medicine in the United States. As many of you may
know, Cannabis was listed as an official medicine from 1851 until 1942,
when at the height of the Reefer Madness campaign it was de-listed.
It is our hope to petition them for official re-listing of Cannabis in the
near future. As part of that effort, we have communicated with them and
have asked them to look over their old records as to the reasons why it
had been de-listed back in 1942 in the first place. The idea is to obtain
evidence that it was de-listed for political and not medical reasons, and
that that info will give our petition a better chance at success.
HOWEVER, we have been told that ALL U.S.P. archival records have been
turned over to a historical society located in Madison Wisconsin.
————- After contacting this society, we were told that due to the
amount of work required, we would have to simply find someone over there
that could walk in and look over the material.
At the present time, we are still looking for an active volunteer in
LEGALIZE CANNABIS LAWSUIT
As per our last e-mail [see below], not much has taken place. So far,
(through the UN website) I’ve been able to obtain copies of the three drug
treaties in section [B]. I need some help finding an actual treat (not
something written about the treaties, but the actual wording of the treaty
itself), that states that people have a right to medical treatment. I
know the wording of the treaty creating the UN itself has written in it,
but we have not yet been able to locate it and they (the UN) are not
interested in helping us.
The below website (part of what we are doing) shows what they are
For those of you who want to help, please look over the internet and see
if you can find the wording of such a treaty. Again, we need the exact
working of the treaty, not just some write up about it.
Below is the museum’s last Oklahoma email sent-out:
Does anyone out there want to take part in a lawsuit against the Federal
Government to legalize Medical Cannabis. The basic facts of the lawsuit
are as follows:
[A] According to the US constitution: Article VI, Clause 2 :
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be
made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be
made, under the Authority of the United States, SHALL BE THE SUPREME
LAW OF THE LAND; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby,
any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary
Note the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND wording.
[B] – NEXT, ALL drug control treaties that the US has signed including:
— Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs of 1961
— Convention on Psychotropic Substances of 1971
— United Nations Convention against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and
Psychotropic Substances of 1988
ALL of them make exceptions for Medical Use
[C] The U.S. has signed numerous treaties that guaranty the right of
people to be allowed to seek out medical treatment etc.
Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women
Date adopted: December 18, 1979
Date entered into force: September 3, 1981
Action by the US: signed July 17, 1980
Although applying only to women, is suppose to cover . . . “access to
health care” . . etc
THEREFORE the Federal Governments anti-Medical Marihuana laws are illegal
To add-remove yourself from the museum’s own mailing list:
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"andrew garret" <s..[email protected]> Aug 26 04:45PM -0700
The Museum NEED HELP
As everyone knows, it is against the law to do medical research on
Cannabis without the proper permits AND AS WE ALL KNOW. The government
never gives them out so it is EFFECTIVELY against the law to DO ANY
medical research in this country (other than safety studies) on the
subject. Thus the reason we don’t have FDA approval of medical Cannabis,
We are now putting together a website on this subject and need some help.
Does anyone out there know of any documentation (a rejected request for
medical Cannabis research) etc. We need actual documentation NOT just
Also about 7 years ago, some high level narc go caught lying about the
matter. He made the claim that no federal permits were issued was because
no one had ever asked for any.
Does anyone remember who he was? Anything about the story?
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LANNYSWERDLOW <s..[email protected]> Aug 26 09:59PM -0700
Dangerous and perverse are two words that come to mind when one talks about collectives. Our radio show, Marijuana Compassion and Common Sense, takes a look at both the dangers and perversities of collectives on the Monday, August 27 show when we interview Aaron Sandusky, persecuted operator of three collectives in the Inland Empire and Kandice Hawes of OCNORML.
Aaron Sandusky, his brother and four employees were arrested by federal agents at their G3 collective in Upland on June 14. All except Aaron were released shortly after their arrest but Aaron remained in jail for almost a month while trying to raise $200,000 bail. Aaron’s mother was on the show about a month ago talking about their efforts to raise the bail.
Their efforts were successful and Aaron is now out of jail and is on house arrest awaiting trial on charges that could put him in prison for up to 20 years. On the show he will be discussing what happened, what is happening and what he expects to be happening as his prosecution moves through the federal judicial system.
Perversity is also the fate of collectives as cops goad local elected officials into passing bans and doing everything under the sun to close them. Perversity leads to perseverance and patients are fighting back. One of the most successful, if challenging ways, is to circulate an initiative petition to overturn bans and restore the rights of patients to safe, reliable and local access.
Kandice Hawes of OC NORML will be discussing the initiative now being circulated in Santa Ana. The Initiative would amend the current City ban on medical marijuana collectives and set up a registration process for qualified collectives. In addition to discussing the particulars of their initiative, Kandice will discuss the nuts and bolts of the initiative process and explain how they will gather the necessary signatures to get it on the ballot.
Hear Aaron and Kandice this Monday, August 27 at 6 p.m. on IE Talk Radio station KCAA 1050AM and simulcast on kcaaradio.com. You can also access past shows on the podcast at the website. Listen in every Monday at 6 p.m. to Marijuana Compassion and Common Sense, the show that tells the truth about marijuana.