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Digest for savecannabis@a2c2.us – 1 update in 1 topic

From: papadon_52 – January 1, 1970

Thank you for the insight. Only the truth…. To: savecannabisa2c2.us From: savecannabisa2c2.us Subject: Save Cannabis Digest for savecannabisa2c2.us – 1 update in 1 topic Today’s topic summary Group: http:groups.google.comaa2c2.usgroupsavecannabistopics CALCBC: Medical Marijuana Regulation Bills Advance in CA Legislature 1 Update CALCBC: Medical Marijuana Regulation Bills Advance in CA Legislature “William W. West” Apr 29 02:44PM -0700 On 4262014 8:22 PM Axis of Love SF Shona Gochenaur wrote: > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send > an email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us > . You hit the nail on the head There has to be a stop to the slow destruction of Prop 215 & SB-420. Everything was and still should be based upon PATIENTS We allowed monopolist such as Teflon Don Duncan cover the real truth so he could place into play his scheme to monopolize the California Medical Marijuana Industry. Only recently has the blinded began to see all of those followers all thought they were entitled to a “piece of the pot pie”. Where anyone got the thought he would share with them from “HIS POT PIE” has smoked more than necessary. But now because no one would listen this fire has gotten so far out of control it may be too late But like then as is now they hear but never act till it’s too late. When someone can afford to put 25000 per month into his group that alone should say something. It has now taken over San Diego with 4 outlets per district and license’s now up to 100000.00 where is “fair business” in this Explain to me how this type of business can not afford to raise the price to patients to recover their investment AGAIN THE PATIENTS PAY THEIR PRICES OR DO WITHOUT. “Thinning of the Herds”. 12-10 L.A.Times “Back door deals” and guess who it was Mr. Patient Advocate Teflon Don Duncan. I hope everyone that didn’t listen back then for free enjoys the screwing now for free We do have the rights in prop 215 and do not use them who’s to blame — You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. To post to this group send email to savecannabisa2c2.us To Unsubscribe from this group send email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org — You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups “Save Cannabis” group. For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us. — You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. To post to this group send email to savecannabisa2c2.us To Unsubscribe from this group send email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org — You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups “Save Cannabis” group. For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us.

Re: CALCBC: Medical Marijuana Regulation Bills Advance in CA Legislature

From: theweedlynews – January 1, 1970

On 4262014 8:22 PM Axis of Love SF Shona Gochenaur wrote: > Yep they are laws based in restriction not freedoms your right > starchild but realising that the best we can do is offer. Amends that > will at least keep some small to midsized patients grows business > and comunity centers on the map. > Tom is actually equally as disstructive as law enforcing lobbyist > work and the cop lobby at least puts medical under the dept of health. > It’s a sad greed filled processing of monolply interests that started > in Oakland back in early 2002 ish when Oakland killed many clubs > and allowed for just four city sanctioned permits. > We in SF did better by not restriction of clubs. > The mayor of Oakland and Diane from leap are the faces of Tom bill > pretty sad how these women are helping kill patients access for > comnerical interests of a select few. > People should be outraged but in the very least should be willing to > help authentic patient advocates carve out some survival amends. > Or just be led to the slaughter house > Moo Moo… > > On Thursday April 24 2014 Starchild > wrote: > > Is there anything significantly positive in either Lou > Correa’s SB 1262 or Tom Ammiano’s AB 1894 All I see in NORML’s press > release below is talk about more regulation and control. If so what > do we really gain After all medical marijuana is already legal under > Prop. 215. > > > > Would people be guaranteed more freedom to grow sell and > distribute cannabis for medical use in parts of California where local > county or city authorities have been hostile to such freedoms or is > there only the possibility of increased freedom if the Alcoholic > Beverages Commission or whoever makes good decisions How > specifically do these bills move the ball forward and do they do so > enough to make the negatives of increased regulation and control worth it > > > > I realize the bills are linked below to read and form our > own opinions about but I’m curious to hear what those who’ve been > following the legislation have to say in its defense if anything. Or > are SB 1262 and AB 1894 still bad even with some of their worst > elements removed > > > > Love & Liberty > > ((( starchild ))) > > > > > > On Apr 23 2014 at 7:11 PM Axis of Love SF Shona Gochenaur wrote: > > > >> I’m glad there’s room to improve both of these bills neither were > acceptable to patientsgrowers or merchants. > >> I’d really hate to see us end up like Washington state if we don’t > network and block we will. > >> I’d like to publicly thankyou to lanette Davies and Dege coutee for > education and comunity outreach and lanatte for speaking in > opposition to both. > >> We have a golden policy peice that we wrote together mclr 2014 > that wasn’t a lobbyist effort but across the board common sense dale > himself and many others said there’s nothing objectionable policy > It’s just not funded. > >> We need to take our amends from it as a start point. > >> There’s unfortunately allot of ego and controls branding and all > that to contend with but I see clearly now that this is no dog n pony > show they will pass a bill this year let’s make sure everyone gets > their peice of the pie keep California compassionate. > >> Theyr going to do medical via the statehouses and use 2016 legalize > platform’s for democrat polictal operatives. > >> If we do medical this year Let’s not allow it to slice into > patients access nor cut out our small business and growers. > >> It’s time to get upset together and change these laws > >> I want and feel the need to thank bob bauerman sacnorlm Dege > coutee pan dave hodges and Jon lee for putting together a great > golden policy peice with mclr 2014 > >> And It’s still alive and perhaps just taking another form as a key > to the statehouses. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wednesday April 23 2014 Dale Gieringer > wrote: > >> > > ————————————————————————— > >> > Medical Marijuana Regulation Bills Advance in CA Legislature > >> > Cal NORML Release > >> > SACRAMENTO April 21-22. – Two medical MJ regulation > bills – SB 1262 by Sen. Lou Correa and AB 1894 by Assemblyman Tom > Ammiano – passed their first committee hearings in the California > legislature this week heightening the likelihood that the legislature > will finally pass some kind of comprehensive state legislation for the > legal sales production distribution and manufacture of MMJ this > year. However the final details remain unclear as there are > significant differences between the two proposals and both face the > prospect of further amendments. > >> > On Monday the Senate Business Professions and Economic > Development Committee unanimously approved Sen. Correa’s bill SB 1262 > on the condition that the author work with critics to make further > amendments before its next hearing which will take place in the > Senate Health Committee on April 30. The Correa bill which is > sponsored by law enforcement groups led by veteran CNOA lobbyist John > Lovell plus the California League of Cities would regulate > manufacture distribution and transport of MMJ through the State Dept > of Public Health and county health departments. This attracted > significant opposition from the Association of Counties the > California HealthAssociation and the Urban Counties Association who > objected that counties have no expertise in regulation of medication. > In addition Sen. Correa indicated that he had not yet consulted with > the Department of Public Health prompting Health Committee Chairman > Sen. Ed Hernandez to demand that DPH testify on the bill when it comes > before his committee – a potentially major stumbling block to the bill. > >> > Other objections to the bill focused on the fact that it > places restrictions on the issuance of medical marijuana > recommendations attracting opposition from the California Medical > Association and many advocacy groups. Prior to the hearing Sen. > Correa agreed to amend the bill by dropping some of the most egregious > physician regulations such as a requirement that all recommendations > be issued by a primary care physician and mandatory audits of all > physicians issuing more than 100 recommendations. However other > physician regulations remained causing objections from the CMA and > Cal NORML among others. In particular the amended bill would > legislate medication by directing physicians to tell patients what > type of marijuana to obtain; require that only pediatricians issue > recommendations for patients under 21 years of age; restrict > pediatric recommendations to only high-CBD non-smoked marijuana; and > outlaw recommendations of butane hash oil. After California NORML > indicated that it would withdraw its opposition to the bill if these > restrictions were removed Chairman Ted Lieu proposed that the bill be > approved on the condition that the author work with opponents to > address their objections. Prompted by the support of law enforcement > Republican members joined in unanimously approving the bill but it > still faces major hurdles in the Health Committee on April 30th. > >> > On Tuesday the Assembly Public Safety Committee approved > Chairman Tom Ammiano’s medical marijuana regulation bill AB 1894. The > Ammiano bill differs from the Correa bill in placing regulation in the > hands of the Alcoholic Beverages Commission instead of DPH and in not > attempting to regulate physicians’ recommendations. Oakland Mayor > Jean Quan and LEAP spokesman Diane Goldstein testified in favor of the > bill which was also supported by many reform groups including DPA > CCIA ASA and Cal NORML. Opposition was predictably led by SB 1262 > proponents John Lovell and the California League of Cities who > objected that AB 1894 lacks physician regulations inappropriately > places authority under the ABC instead of a health agency like DPH > and gives ABC too much centralized authority to override local > government regulations (an unwarranted charge that was refuted by > Assemblyman Quirk). AB 1894 was approved 5-2 on a party line vote > and now moves on to the Assembly Appropriations Committee. > >> > Advocates left this week’s hearings hopeful that > legislators will be able to reconcile their differences with opponents > and arrive at an acceptable bill this session. The differences > between the two bills are not so great and any deficiencies may be > addressed in future legislation or by voter initiative. > >> > > >> > Text of SB 1262: > http:www.leginfo.ca.govpub13-14billsensb1251-1300sb1262bill20140421amendedsenv98.html > >> > Text of AB 1894: > http:www.leginfo.ca.govpub13-14billasmab1851-1900ab1894bill20140401amendedasmv98.htm > >> > > >> > – Dale Gieringer Cal NORML > >> > > >> > canormlcanorml.org > >> > California NORML > >> > 2261 Market St. 278A San Francisco CA 94114 – www.canorml.org > > >> > > >> > > ————————————————————————— > >> > > >> > Attachment: http:norml.netattached4w2wUvjcZl10882.html > >> > > >> > >> — > >> Shona Gochenaur > >> Executive Director > >> Axis of Love SF > >> http:www.facebook.comaxisoflove > >> http:www.twitter.comaxisoflove > > > > — > > You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis > group. > > > > To post to this group send email to > > savecannabisa2c2.us > > > > To Unsubscribe from this group send email to > > savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us > > > > > View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org > > — > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups “Save Cannabis” group. > > For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it > send an email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us > . > > > > — > Shona Gochenaur > Executive Director > Axis of Love SF > http:www.facebook.comaxisoflove > http:www.twitter.comaxisoflove > > — > You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. > > To post to this group send email to > savecannabisa2c2.us > > To Unsubscribe from this group send email to > savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us > > View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org > — > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups “Save Cannabis” group. > For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send > an email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us > . You hit the nail on the head There has to be a stop to the slow destruction of Prop 215 & SB-420. Everything was and still should be based upon PATIENTS We allowed monopolist such as Teflon Don Duncan cover the real truth so he could place into play his scheme to monopolize the California Medical Marijuana Industry. Only recently has the blinded began to see all of those followers all thought they were entitled to a “piece of the pot pie”. Where anyone got the thought he would share with them from “HIS POT PIE” has smoked more than necessary. But now because no one would listen this fire has gotten so far out of control it may be too late But like then as is now they hear but never act till it’s too late. When someone can afford to put 25000 per month into his group that alone should say something. It has now taken over San Diego with 4 outlets per district and license’s now up to 100000.00 where is “fair business” in this Explain to me how this type of business can not afford to raise the price to patients to recover their investment AGAIN THE PATIENTS PAY THEIR PRICES OR DO WITHOUT. “Thinning of the Herds”. 12-10 L.A.Times “Back door deals” and guess who it was Mr. Patient Advocate Teflon Don Duncan. I hope everyone that didn’t listen back then for free enjoys the screwing now for free We do have the rights in prop 215 and do not use them who’s to blame — You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. To post to this group send email to savecannabisa2c2.us To Unsubscribe from this group send email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org — You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups “Save Cannabis” group. For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. 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CALCBC: Medical Marijuana Regulation Bills Advance in CA Legislature

From: axisoflovesf – January 1, 1970

Yep they are laws based in restriction not freedoms your right starchild but realising that the best we can do is offer. Amends that will at least keep some small to midsized patients grows business and comunity centers on the map. Tom is actually equally as disstructive as law enforcing lobbyist work and the cop lobby at least puts medical under the dept of health. It’s a sad greed filled processing of monolply interests that started in Oakland back in early 2002 ish when Oakland killed many clubs and allowed for just four city sanctioned permits. We in SF did better by not restriction of clubs. The mayor of Oakland and Diane from leap are the faces of Tom bill pretty sad how these women are helping kill patients access for comnerical interests of a select few. People should be outraged but in the very least should be willing to help authentic patient advocates carve out some survival amends. Or just be led to the slaughter house Moo Moo… On Thursday April 24 2014 Starchild wrote: > Is there anything significantly positive in either Lou Correa’s SB 1262 or Tom Ammiano’s AB 1894 All I see in NORML’s press release below is talk about more regulation and control. If so what do we really gain After all medical marijuana is already legal under Prop. 215. > > Would people be guaranteed more freedom to grow sell and distribute cannabis for medical use in parts of California where local county or city authorities have been hostile to such freedoms or is there only the possibility of increased freedom if the Alcoholic Beverages Commission or whoever makes good decisions How specifically do these bills move the ball forward and do they do so enough to make the negatives of increased regulation and control worth it > > I realize the bills are linked below to read and form our own opinions about but I’m curious to hear what those who’ve been following the legislation have to say in its defense if anything. Or are SB 1262 and AB 1894 still bad even with some of their worst elements removed > > Love & Liberty > ((( starchild ))) > > > On Apr 23 2014 at 7:11 PM Axis of Love SF Shona Gochenaur wrote: > >> I’m glad there’s room to improve both of these bills neither were acceptable to patientsgrowers or merchants. >> I’d really hate to see us end up like Washington state if we don’t network and block we will. >> I’d like to publicly thankyou to lanette Davies and Dege coutee for education and comunity outreach and lanatte for speaking in opposition to both. >> We have a golden policy peice that we wrote together mclr 2014 that wasn’t a lobbyist effort but across the board common sense dale himself and many others said there’s nothing objectionable policy It’s just not funded. >> We need to take our amends from it as a start point. >> There’s unfortunately allot of ego and controls branding and all that to contend with but I see clearly now that this is no dog n pony show they will pass a bill this year let’s make sure everyone gets their peice of the pie keep California compassionate. >> Theyr going to do medical via the statehouses and use 2016 legalize platform’s for democrat polictal operatives. >> If we do medical this year Let’s not allow it to slice into patients access nor cut out our small business and growers. >> It’s time to get upset together and change these laws >> I want and feel the need to thank bob bauerman sacnorlm Dege coutee pan dave hodges and Jon lee for putting together a great golden policy peice with mclr 2014 >> And It’s still alive and perhaps just taking another form as a key to the statehouses. >> >> >> >> >> On Wednesday April 23 2014 Dale Gieringer wrote: >> > ————————————————————————— >> > Medical Marijuana Regulation Bills Advance in CA Legislature >> > Cal NORML Release >> > SACRAMENTO April 21-22. – Two medical MJ regulation bills – SB 1262 by Sen. Lou Correa and AB 1894 by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano – passed their first committee hearings in the California legislature this week heightening the likelihood that the legislature will finally pass some kind of comprehensive state legislation for the legal sales production distribution and manufacture of MMJ this year. However the final details remain unclear as there are significant differences between the two proposals and both face the prospect of further amendments. >> > On Monday the Senate Business Professions and Economic Development Committee unanimously approved Sen. Correa’s bill SB 1262 on the condition that the author work with critics to make further amendments before its next hearing which will take place in the Senate Health Committee on April 30. The Correa bill which is sponsored by law enforcement groups led by veteran CNOA lobbyist John Lovell plus the California League of Cities would regulate manufacture distribution and transport of MMJ through the State Dept of Public Health and county health departments. This attracted significant opposition from the Association of Counties the California HealthAssociation and the Urban Counties Association who objected that counties have no expertise in regulation of medication. In addition Sen. Correa indicated that he had not yet consulted with the Department of Public Health prompting Health Committee Chairman Sen. Ed Hernandez to demand that DPH testify on the bill when it comes before his committee – a potentially major stumbling block to the bill. >> > Other objections to the bill focused on the fact that it places restrictions on the issuance of medical marijuana recommendations attracting opposition from the California Medical Association and many advocacy groups. Prior to the hearing Sen. Correa agreed to amend the bill by dropping some of the most egregious physician regulations such as a requirement that all recommendations be issued by a primary care physician and mandatory audits of all physicians issuing more than 100 recommendations. However other physician regulations remained causing objections from the CMA and Cal NORML among others. In particular the amended bill would legislate medication by directing physicians to tell patients what type of marijuana to obtain; require that only pediatricians issue recommendations for patients under 21 years of age; restrict pediatric recommendations to only high-CBD non-smoked marijuana; and outlaw recommendations of butane hash oil. After California NORML indicated that it would withdraw its opposition to the bill if these restrictions were removed Chairman Ted Lieu proposed that the bill be approved on the condition that the author work with opponents to address their objections. Prompted by the support of law enforcement Republican members joined in unanimously approving the bill but it still faces major hurdles in the Health Committee on April 30th. >> > On Tuesday the Assembly Public Safety Committee approved Chairman Tom Ammiano’s medical marijuana regulation bill AB 1894. The Ammiano bill differs from the Correa bill in placing regulation in the hands of the Alcoholic Beverages Commission instead of DPH and in not attempting to regulate physicians’ recommendations. Oakland Mayor Jean Quan and LEAP spokesman Diane Goldstein testified in favor of the bill which was also supported by many reform groups including DPA CCIA ASA and Cal NORML. Opposition was predictably led by SB 1262 proponents John Lovell and the California League of Cities who objected that AB 1894 lacks physician regulations inappropriately places authority under the ABC instead of a health agency like DPH and gives ABC too much centralized authority to override local government regulations (an unwarranted charge that was refuted by Assemblyman Quirk). AB 1894 was approved 5-2 on a party line vote and now moves on to the Assembly Appropriations Committee. >> > Advocates left this week’s hearings hopeful that legislators will be able to reconcile their differences with opponents and arrive at an acceptable bill this session. The differences between the two bills are not so great and any deficiencies may be addressed in future legislation or by voter initiative. >> > >> > Text of SB 1262: http:www.leginfo.ca.govpub13-14billsensb1251-1300sb1262bill20140421amendedsenv98.html >> > Text of AB 1894: http:www.leginfo.ca.govpub13-14billasmab1851-1900ab1894bill20140401amendedasmv98.htm >> > >> > – Dale Gieringer Cal NORML >> > >> > canormlcanorml.org >> > California NORML >> > 2261 Market St. 278A San Francisco CA 94114 – www.canorml.org >> > >> > ————————————————————————— >> > >> > Attachment: http:norml.netattached4w2wUvjcZl10882.html >> > >> >> — >> Shona Gochenaur >> Executive Director >> Axis of Love SF >> http:www.facebook.comaxisoflove >> http:www.twitter.comaxisoflove > > — > You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. > > To post to this group send email to > savecannabisa2c2.us > > To Unsubscribe from this group send email to > savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us > > View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org > — > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups “Save Cannabis” group. > For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us. > — Shona Gochenaur Executive Director Axis of Love SF http:www.facebook.comaxisoflove http:www.twitter.comaxisoflove — You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. 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URGENT SAN JOSE MEDICAL MARIJUANA MEETING TOMORROW 10AM-12AM

From: dave – January 1, 1970

San Jose Community Meeting on Medical Marijuana Regulations Tomorrow Saturday April 26 2014 10:00 AM – 12:00 PM San Jos City Hall Council Wing (W 120) 200 E. Santa Clara Street San Jose CA 95113 WE NEED ALL SAN JOSE MARIJUANA SUPPORTERS TO ATTEND PLEASE MAKE TIME TO BE AT THIS IMPORTANT MEETING The City Manager’s Office will hold a public discussion on the proposed medical marijuana regulations. The meeting will include a presentation followed by a question and answer session. This is the only opportunity to provide community input on the recommendations that will be given to the City Council We must show strong support to ensure medical cannabis clubs are protected in San Jose. Our recommendations for the City Manager’s Office: 1) Work with the community more to improve the zoning regulations. 2) Put in place a San Jose Cannabis Commission to: a) Regulate & oversee San Jose Medical Marijuana activities b) Provide a platform for community complaint resolution and c) Provide a process for case-by-case review locations that do not fit the proposed zoning. (If a club is not negatively impacting the area they are in they should not have to move) Please arrive at 9:30am at the City Hall Council Chambers to organize prepare and pick up your San Jose MMJ unity T-shirt. Parking will be validated. Parking is available at the City Hall Garage 200 East Santa Clara Street and 6th Street or the 4th Street Garage 44 S. 4th Street and San Fernando. — You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. To post to this group send email to savecannabisa2c2.us To Unsubscribe from this group send email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org — You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups “Save Cannabis” group. For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us.

Re: Re: CALCBC: Medical Marijuana Regulation Bills Advance in CA Legislature

From: savecannabis – January 1, 1970

I haven’t looked at the most recent version of these bills but I’m pretty sure I won’t like them. What I have seen ever since I became involved in the issue of medical marijuana is that NORML appears to be nothing more than a front for the 1 percent who’ve funded it and similar groups like the Drug Policy Alliance. These folks — which appear to include George Soros — appear to want to take over cannabis as a profitable crop. This was never more apparent than when NORML supported Prop. 19 that Trojan Horse desigend to reduce people’s existing rights under Prop. 215 including the fundamental right to cultivate cannabis. Unless the 99 percent have a right to grow cannabis the price and quality will be controlled by the government — which in turn is controlled by the 1 percent. And that 1 percent will then profit from selling cannabis to the 99 percent. It’s that simple. For the 1 percent to control this crop they need the help of the governments they’ve co-opted. So that’s what’s going on: governments are passing laws to reduce safe and affordable access to cannabis under the guise of “public safety” and of increasing their tax bases. People need to realize REALLY realize that their governments are now working hand in glove with private industry. For example the US government enters into “risk corridor” agreements with insurance and drug (legal) purveyors. These are supposedly ways necessary to persuade private companies to agree to provide “public” health insurance and “public” drug “benefits” via Medicare drug programs and Obamacare. The idea is if the private companies can’t collect sufficient funds to cover the “costs” (including excessively high salaries and profits for the private companies and their boards and officers) of providing these benefits the government will share the “risk” and reimburse the uncoveredunfunded portion. But the risk corridors also allow the government to share not only the alleged risk but the profits as well. And since Medicare Part B came into being under Bush the federal government has made 7 Billion from the sales of drugs under Medicare via these risk corridors. Obamacare too now reportedly includes risk corridor deals. So now citizens are going to be “taxed” in order to be forced to pay for the profits involved in the health careprescription drug industry including all the expensive and poisonous prescription drugs that end up making people need even more drugs for the side effects. This is why Big Pharma and Big Government need to keep cannabis under tight controls. This plant provides at least 80 known phyto-cannabinoids which can replace the endo-cannabinoid whose deficits cause many “diseases” and illnesses. One person for example with multiple sclerosis can save 300 per month on the monthly cost of co-pays for prescription drugs while that person’s insurance company can save some 4000 a month on drug costs — not to mention the cost of tests and doctors’ visits. Multiple those savings by the millions of people using other prescription drugs and related services for just auto-immune diseases alone and you can see how making this medicinal herb readily available like grapes or zucchini would decimate the being pulled in the Big Pharma Big Government Big Biotech and related industries. Plain old plants can’t be patented but synthetic cannabioids can be. But to what end We already know that Marinol — synthetic THC — is not as efficacious as whole herbal cannabis. And the April 21 2014 edition of Time shows that synthetic cannabinoids can actually kill people — something that has never been reported to have occurred with whole herbal cannabis. Under un-regulated capitalism (and given the Supreme Court’s position that speech equals capital capitalism is officially unregulable in this country) capital drives everything to the final end: capital above all else: above health above honesty above democracy above individual rights. The Supreme Court has treated “political” speech as above government regulation unlike “commercial” speech. But think about it: politics is really all about resources about capital isn’t it So how is “political” speech really any different than “commercial” speech Don’t political parties try to gain power so they can control resources Therefore we “the people” the people who are supposed to be running this show should be able to pass laws that control money spent on “political” speech in the same way we pass laws to control “commercial” speech. But I digress. We the people passed Prop. 215 an initiative to make “marijuana” available for sick people to cultivate grow and use. We authorized our elected officials to adopt any law necessary to further the purpose of Prop. 215: safe and affordable access as medicine. What have we gotten instead A wicked California State Supreme Court that has held that cities and counties — that are merely subdivisions of the State of California — can do what the State itself has no power to do under Prop. 215: ban dispensaries and thus ban safe and affordable access to portions of the state’s population. We’ve also gotten politicians like Tom Ammiano who made a name as pro-gay rights and pro-cannabis on which he’s now trading as he sponsors laws that are designed to reduce safe AND affordable access to cannabis to turn cannabis into a cash cow for unions and politicians. So if it looks like these bills reduce affordability and access they probably do. More later. On Thursday April 24 2014 10:40 PM Starchild wrote: Is there anything significantly positive in either Lou Correa’s SB 1262 or Tom Ammiano’s AB 1894 All I see in NORML’s press release below is talk about more regulation and control. If so what do we really gain After all medical marijuana is already legal under Prop. 215. Would people be guaranteed more freedom to grow sell and distribute cannabis for medical use in parts of California where local county or city authorities have been hostile to such freedoms or is there only the possibility of increased freedom if the Alcoholic Beverages Commission or whoever makes good decisions How specifically do these bills move the ball forward and do they do so enough to make the negatives of increased regulation and control worth it I realize the bills are linked below to read and form our own opinions about but I’m curious to hear what those who’ve been following the legislation have to say in its defense if anything. Or are SB 1262 and AB 1894 still bad even with some of their worst elements removed Love & Liberty ((( starchild ))) On Apr 23 2014 at 7:11 PM Axis of Love SF Shona Gochenaur wrote: > I’m glad there’s room to improve both of these bills neither were acceptable to patientsgrowers or merchants. > I’d really hate to see us end up like Washington state if we don’t network and block we will. > I’d like to publicly thankyou to lanette Davies and Dege coutee for education and comunity outreach and lanatte for speaking in opposition to both. > We have a golden policy peice that we wrote together mclr 2014 that wasn’t a lobbyist effort but across the board common sense dale himself and many others said there’s nothing objectionable policy It’s just not funded. > We need to take our amends from it as a start point. > There’s unfortunately allot of ego and controls branding and all that to contend with but I see clearly now that this is no dog n pony show they will pass a bill this year let’s make sure everyone gets their peice of the pie keep California compassionate. > Theyr going to do medical via the statehouses and use 2016 legalize platform’s for democrat polictal operatives. > If we do medical this year Let’s not allow it to slice into patients access nor cut out our small business and growers. > It’s time to get upset together and change these laws > I want and feel the need to thank bob bauerman sacnorlm Dege coutee pan dave hodges and Jon lee for putting together a great golden policy peice with mclr 2014 > And It’s still alive and perhaps just taking another form as a key to the statehouses. > > > > > On Wednesday April 23 2014 Dale Gieringer wrote: > > ———————————————————- > > Medical Marijuana Regulation Bills Advance in CA Legislature > > Cal NORML Release > > SACRAMENTO April 21-22. – Two medical MJ regulation bills – SB 1262 by Sen. Lou Correa and AB 1894 by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano – passed their first committee hearings in the California legislature this week heightening the likelihood that the legislature will finally pass some kind of comprehensive state legislation for the legal sales production distribution and manufacture of MMJ this year. However the final details remain unclear as there are significant differences between the two proposals and both face the prospect of further amendments. > > On Monday the Senate Business Professions and Economic Development Committee unanimously approved Sen. Correa’s bill SB 1262 on the condition that the author work with critics to make further amendments before its next hearing which will take place in the Senate Health Committee on April 30. The Correa bill which is sponsored by law enforcement groups led by veteran CNOA lobbyist John Lovell plus the California League of Cities would regulate manufacture distribution and transport of MMJ through the State Dept of Public Health and county health departments. This attracted significant opposition from the Association of Counties the California HealthAssociation and the Urban Counties Association who objected that counties have no expertise in regulation of medication. In addition Sen. Correa indicated that he had not yet consulted with the Department of Public Health prompting Health Committee Chairman Sen. Ed Hernandez to demand that DPH testify on the bill when it comes before his committee – a potentially major stumbling block to the bill. > > Other objections to the bill focused on the fact that it places restrictions on the issuance of medical marijuana recommendations attracting opposition from the California Medical Association and many advocacy groups. Prior to the hearing Sen. Correa agreed to amend the bill by dropping some of the most egregious physician regulations such as a requirement that all recommendations be issued by a primary care physician and mandatory audits of all physicians issuing more than 100 recommendations. However other physician regulations remained causing objections from the CMA and Cal NORML among others. In particular the amended bill would legislate medication by directing physicians to tell patients what type of marijuana to obtain; require that only pediatricians issue recommendations for patients under 21 years of age; restrict pediatric recommendations to only high-CBD non-smoked marijuana; and outlaw recommendations of butane hash oil. After California NORML indicated that it would withdraw its opposition to the bill if these restrictions were removed Chairman Ted Lieu proposed that the bill be approved on the condition that the author work with opponents to address their objections. Prompted by the support of law enforcement Republican members joined in unanimously approving the bill but it still faces major hurdles in the Health Committee on April 30th. > > On Tuesday the Assembly Public Safety Committee approved Chairman Tom Ammiano’s medical marijuana regulation bill AB 1894. The Ammiano bill differs from the Correa bill in placing regulation in the hands of the Alcoholic Beverages Commission instead of DPH and in not attempting to regulate physicians’ recommendations. Oakland Mayor Jean Quan and LEAP spokesman Diane Goldstein testified in favor of the bill which was also supported by many reform groups including DPA CCIA ASA and Cal NORML. Opposition was predictably led by SB 1262 proponents John Lovell and the California League of Cities who objected that AB 1894 lacks physician regulations inappropriately places authority under the ABC instead of a health agency like DPH and gives ABC too much centralized authority to override local government regulations (an unwarranted charge that was refuted by Assemblyman Quirk). AB 1894 was approved 5-2 on a party line vote and now moves on to the Assembly Appropriations Committee. > > Advocates left this week’s hearings hopeful that legislators will be able to reconcile their differences with opponents and arrive at an acceptable bill this session. The differences between the two bills are not so great and any deficiencies may be addressed in future legislation or by voter initiative. > > > > Text of SB 1262: http:www.leginfo.ca.govpub13-14billsensb1251-1300sb1262bill20140421amendedsenv98.html > > Text of AB 1894: http:www.leginfo.ca.govpub13-14billasmab1851-1900ab1894bill20140401amendedasmv98.htm > > > > – Dale Gieringer Cal NORML > > > > canormlcanorml.org > > California NORML > > 2261 Market St. 278A San Francisco CA 94114 – www.canorml.org > > > > ———————————————————- > > > > Attachment: http:norml.netattached4w2wUvjcZl10882.html > > > > — > Shona Gochenaur > Executive Director > Axis of Love SF > http:www.facebook.comaxisoflove > http:www.twitter.comaxisoflove .. Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Visit Your Group New Members 1 Privacy Unsubscribe Terms of Use . . — You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. 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