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Re: LAWS and TAXES and… Don’t forget who owns your body!

From: patmonkrn – January 1, 1970

Just FYI. NORML did not appreciate my comments. I hope you have a more inclusive policy. https:www.facebook.comnotespatrick-monk-rnnorml-censors-vox-public(phone#-removed)88468 On Sat Aug 30 2014 at 12:07 PM Patrick Monk wrote: > Apologies if this a repeat. I did not see it post before. > > https:www.facebook.comnotespatrick-monk-rnmclr2016-the-new-prohibitio(phone#-removed)38468 > > > On Sat Aug 30 2014 at 2:54 AM Starchild > wrote: > >> Juli >> >> One more thing I can’t help commenting on. You wrote “I do agree from >> keeping clubs away from schools”. >> >> In the name of all that’s good and true WHY >> >> Children are NOT harmed by seeing people use marijuana or smelling it >> let alone merely seeing where marijuana is sold Crafting public policy as >> if the lies of the authoritarians were true is not going to do them or >> anyone any favors. >> >> If officials really believed their own lies on this topic and it wasn’t >> just another excuse to try and keep our community criminalized and >> marginalized for the benefit of those in control they would >> prohibit SCHOOLS from locating near DISPENSARIES and not just the other way >> around >> >> I also notice you refer to us needing more “card holders” in government >> by which I presume you mean medical cannabis cards. >> >> This is how we get trapped. They build up this false construct and >> if you accept any part of it you soon find yourself logically trapped in >> this maze of phony rationalizations and restrictions tricked >> into conceding the legitimacy of their paradigm in a vain attempt to carve >> out a little breathing space within it where you can exist and look >> reasonable by their standards. But it’s a fool’s hope because their >> standards are not reasonable. They are based on premises that are >> fundamentally incompatible with truth and justice. >> >> I know you didn’t mean any harm but you’ve implicitly connected the idea >> of possessing a cannabis card with being well qualified to be making rules >> and laws for us. And who issues and controls those cards You already >> generally have to pay for your card if you want one. Then they become >> mandatory instead of voluntary. Then the price of the cards goes up making >> them an easy tool to extort more money from us. And meanwhile they’ve got >> everybody in a database for easier monitoring and control. Then they start >> rounding up the people on the list of cardholders and sending them off to >> concentration camps. No it won’t always go that far. Most times of course >> it doesn’t. But it can. >> >> And when the worst happens it happens in part because well-intentioned >> people were too ready to unquestioningly accept a preposterous evil idea >> because it seemed like a mark of political acceptance or a convenience or >> just like a reasonable “pragmatic” thing to go along with. Such as the >> idea that you need a card to show that you have permission to smoke a plant. >> >> Love & Liberty >> ((( starchild ))) >> >> >> On Aug 30 2014 at 2:19 AM Starchild sfdreamerearthlink.net >> SFBayCannabisCommunity wrote: >> >> It’s heartening to see a growing public awareness that the endless list >> of taxes fees permits licenses and so on are in fact a system designed >> not to benefit the ordinary person who is subject to all this crap but to >> enhance the wealth and power of those in government who preside over it. >> >> But as the list presented by “the420testimony” below makes clear the >> possibilities for new ways to control the people and extract money from >> them are endless. Unfortunately it’s very easy to get lost in the >> underbrush. That’s why I was disappointed to see hisher message conclude >> by calling for tax on cannabis to be capped “at 10 for eternity”. >> >> It’s not difficult to imagine getting a 10 tax enacted and thinking >> we’ve won only for it to prove a short time later to be a hollow victory a >> short time later because so many additional requirements exceptions >> surcharges late fees convenience fees mandatory permit and licensing >> charges safety and environmental regulations etc. have been built into >> the system that most people are in fact paying far more if not directly in >> cash then in time spent attempting to follow all the mandates or in all >> the cool things that never come into existence due to the pervasiveness of >> time-consuming money-sucking soul-crushing rules. >> >> Freedom will only be sustainable and not subject to constant erosion and >> infringements if it is solidly tied to first principles: >> >> >> Our bodies belong to us and no government has any more right to say >> what we inhale or put into our mouths than it does to say what comes out of >> our mouths >> Keep bringing the conversation back to this simple truth and all the >> bureaucratic obfuscations and rationalizations are exposed as the charade >> they are to anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear. >> >> A 10 tax on cannabis is at best a step in the right direction an >> incremental measure to reluctantly go along with only until we can get >> something better to replace it. To view such a tax as an acceptable >> long-term solution is to fatally undermine our own freedom and invite its >> destruction. >> >> Meanwhile though to keep our sanity it’s always good to be able to >> laugh at the tragic absurdity of it all especially when it’s educational >> (kids love the part about having to eat our dishes): >> >> https:www.youtube.comwatchvLO2eh6f5Go0 >> 😉 >> >> Love & Liberty >> ((( starchild ))) >> >> >> On Aug 22 2014 at 10:18 AM ‘Juli Oatham’ via Save Cannabis wrote: >> >> I totally agree >> I have never voted in my life and I’m almost 52 now I registered to vote >> just so I could save the San Jose ca clubs it came close but not good >> enough we need some regular card holders in government maybe things would >> change for us >> I do agree from keeping clubs away from schools but a small club in a >> shopping center nowhere even close to schools that’s just Bull Shiit >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 21 2014 at 12:18 PM “‘Organic Cannabis Foundation’ via Save >> Cannabis” wrote: >> >> WOW ….. amazing observation ….thanks for this >> >> Dona Ruth Frank >> Natural Cannabis Company >> >> >> On Wednesday August 20 2014 5:09 PM the420testimony < >> the420testimonygmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> When one takes into consideration all these taxes – direct and >> indirect excise and impost: income (federal stateprovincial and >> local) sales GST Sin taxes (alcohol >> tobacco) permits (firearm building septic well) endless banking >> service fees (credit cards stocks bonds >> accounts…) endless fines and penalties (traffic invoice late >> fees…) travel (flight hotel rental) capital gains >> corporate income court costs insurance (property life medical >> vehicle employment workers >> compensation) licences (marriage dog hunting fishing driving >> piloting all professional all business) fuel >> permit gasoline (about 37) inheritance inventory IRSCRA interest >> and penalty charges (tax on top of >> tax) luxury property real estate social securityCanada pension >> truckers road usage registration fees >> (birth all professions all vehicles) school sports communication >> (TV cablesatellite internet fax endless >> telephone service fees (universal federal stateprov. and local >> charges surcharges minimum usage…. ) >> tolls (road bridge tunnel) utility (water gas electricity garbage) >> and the biggest most insidious of them >> all: inflation which is tax on the money itself …. breathe … we >> are being taxed well beyond any bracket >> which we might have previously estimated. If you add it up and no one >> can do this and remain sane you >> will see that 85 of your labour is going to pay… NOTHING. No you >> are not paying to keep your >> country functioning. You are paying to make rich the politicians who have >> tricked you into believing their >> scam. >> People still think for some absurd reason that the game the politicians >> play called legislation or >> law-making has something to do with us – the people. The politicians >> game is for themselves not for >> us. If we make rules in our own homes or communal groups do the >> politicians abide by our rules No. >> Should they have to No so why would we possibly think that their rules >> apply to us >> >> THATS WHY SB1262 FAILED…IT WAS THEIR RULES THAT FAILED >> >> MCLR 2016 IS OF THE PEOPLE AND SHOULD CAP TAX ON CANNABIS AT 10 FOR >> ETERNITY. >> >> >> — >> You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. >> >> To post to this group send email to >> savecannabisa2c2.us >> >> To Unsubscribe from this group send email to >> savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us >> >> View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org >> — >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> “Save Cannabis” group. >> For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an >> email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us. >> >> >> .. >> Posted by: Starchild >> >> — >> You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. >> >> To post to this group send email to >> savecannabisa2c2.us >> >> To Unsubscribe from this group send email to >> savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us >> >> View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org >> — >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> “Save Cannabis” group. >> For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an >> email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us. >> > > — You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. To post to this group send email to savecannabisa2c2.us To Unsubscribe from this group send email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org — You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups “Save Cannabis” group. For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us.

Re: LAWS and TAXES and… Don’t forget who owns your body!

From: patmonkrn – January 1, 1970

Apologies if this a repeat. I did not see it post before. https:www.facebook.comnotespatrick-monk-rnmclr2016-the-new-prohibitio(phone#-removed)38468 On Sat Aug 30 2014 at 2:54 AM Starchild wrote: > Juli > > One more thing I can’t help commenting on. You wrote “I do agree from > keeping clubs away from schools”. > > In the name of all that’s good and true WHY > > Children are NOT harmed by seeing people use marijuana or smelling it > let alone merely seeing where marijuana is sold Crafting public policy as > if the lies of the authoritarians were true is not going to do them or > anyone any favors. > > If officials really believed their own lies on this topic and it wasn’t > just another excuse to try and keep our community criminalized and > marginalized for the benefit of those in control they would > prohibit SCHOOLS from locating near DISPENSARIES and not just the other way > around > > I also notice you refer to us needing more “card holders” in government > by which I presume you mean medical cannabis cards. > > This is how we get trapped. They build up this false construct and if > you accept any part of it you soon find yourself logically trapped in this > maze of phony rationalizations and restrictions tricked into conceding the > legitimacy of their paradigm in a vain attempt to carve out a little > breathing space within it where you can exist and look reasonable by their > standards. But it’s a fool’s hope because their standards are not > reasonable. They are based on premises that are fundamentally incompatible > with truth and justice. > > I know you didn’t mean any harm but you’ve implicitly connected the idea > of possessing a cannabis card with being well qualified to be making rules > and laws for us. And who issues and controls those cards You already > generally have to pay for your card if you want one. Then they become > mandatory instead of voluntary. Then the price of the cards goes up making > them an easy tool to extort more money from us. And meanwhile they’ve got > everybody in a database for easier monitoring and control. Then they start > rounding up the people on the list of cardholders and sending them off to > concentration camps. No it won’t always go that far. Most times of course > it doesn’t. But it can. > > And when the worst happens it happens in part because well-intentioned > people were too ready to unquestioningly accept a preposterous evil idea > because it seemed like a mark of political acceptance or a convenience or > just like a reasonable “pragmatic” thing to go along with. Such as the > idea that you need a card to show that you have permission to smoke a plant. > > Love & Liberty > ((( starchild ))) > > > On Aug 30 2014 at 2:19 AM Starchild sfdreamerearthlink.net > SFBayCannabisCommunity wrote: > > It’s heartening to see a growing public awareness that the endless list of > taxes fees permits licenses and so on are in fact a system designed not > to benefit the ordinary person who is subject to all this crap but to > enhance the wealth and power of those in government who preside over it. > > But as the list presented by “the420testimony” below makes clear the > possibilities for new ways to control the people and extract money from > them are endless. Unfortunately it’s very easy to get lost in the > underbrush. That’s why I was disappointed to see hisher message conclude > by calling for tax on cannabis to be capped “at 10 for eternity”. > > It’s not difficult to imagine getting a 10 tax enacted and thinking > we’ve won only for it to prove a short time later to be a hollow victory a > short time later because so many additional requirements exceptions > surcharges late fees convenience fees mandatory permit and licensing > charges safety and environmental regulations etc. have been built into > the system that most people are in fact paying far more if not directly in > cash then in time spent attempting to follow all the mandates or in all > the cool things that never come into existence due to the pervasiveness of > time-consuming money-sucking soul-crushing rules. > > Freedom will only be sustainable and not subject to constant erosion and > infringements if it is solidly tied to first principles: > > > Our bodies belong to us and no government has any more right to say what > we inhale or put into our mouths than it does to say what comes out of our > mouths > Keep bringing the conversation back to this simple truth and all the > bureaucratic obfuscations and rationalizations are exposed as the charade > they are to anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear. > > A 10 tax on cannabis is at best a step in the right direction an > incremental measure to reluctantly go along with only until we can get > something better to replace it. To view such a tax as an acceptable > long-term solution is to fatally undermine our own freedom and invite its > destruction. > > Meanwhile though to keep our sanity it’s always good to be able to laugh > at the tragic absurdity of it all especially when it’s educational (kids > love the part about having to eat our dishes): > > https:www.youtube.comwatchvLO2eh6f5Go0 > 😉 > > Love & Liberty > ((( starchild ))) > > > On Aug 22 2014 at 10:18 AM ‘Juli Oatham’ via Save Cannabis wrote: > > I totally agree > I have never voted in my life and I’m almost 52 now I registered to vote > just so I could save the San Jose ca clubs it came close but not good > enough we need some regular card holders in government maybe things would > change for us > I do agree from keeping clubs away from schools but a small club in a > shopping center nowhere even close to schools that’s just Bull Shiit > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 21 2014 at 12:18 PM “‘Organic Cannabis Foundation’ via Save > Cannabis” wrote: > > WOW ….. amazing observation ….thanks for this > > Dona Ruth Frank > Natural Cannabis Company > > > On Wednesday August 20 2014 5:09 PM the420testimony < > the420testimonygmail.com> wrote: > > > When one takes into consideration all these taxes – direct and > indirect excise and impost: income (federal stateprovincial and > local) sales GST Sin taxes (alcohol > tobacco) permits (firearm building septic well) endless banking > service fees (credit cards stocks bonds > accounts…) endless fines and penalties (traffic invoice late fees…) > travel (flight hotel rental) capital gains > corporate income court costs insurance (property life medical > vehicle employment workers > compensation) licences (marriage dog hunting fishing driving > piloting all professional all business) fuel > permit gasoline (about 37) inheritance inventory IRSCRA interest > and penalty charges (tax on top of > tax) luxury property real estate social securityCanada pension > truckers road usage registration fees > (birth all professions all vehicles) school sports communication (TV > cablesatellite internet fax endless > telephone service fees (universal federal stateprov. and local > charges surcharges minimum usage…. ) > tolls (road bridge tunnel) utility (water gas electricity garbage) > and the biggest most insidious of them > all: inflation which is tax on the money itself …. breathe … we are > being taxed well beyond any bracket > which we might have previously estimated. If you add it up and no one can > do this and remain sane you > will see that 85 of your labour is going to pay… NOTHING. No you are > not paying to keep your > country functioning. You are paying to make rich the politicians who have > tricked you into believing their > scam. > People still think for some absurd reason that the game the politicians > play called legislation or > law-making has something to do with us – the people. The politicians > game is for themselves not for > us. If we make rules in our own homes or communal groups do the > politicians abide by our rules No. > Should they have to No so why would we possibly think that their rules > apply to us > > THATS WHY SB1262 FAILED…IT WAS THEIR RULES THAT FAILED > > MCLR 2016 IS OF THE PEOPLE AND SHOULD CAP TAX ON CANNABIS AT 10 FOR > ETERNITY. > > > — > You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. > > To post to this group send email to > savecannabisa2c2.us > > To Unsubscribe from this group send email to > savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us > > View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org > — > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > “Save Cannabis” group. > For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an > email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us. > > > .. > Posted by: Starchild > > — > You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. > > To post to this group send email to > savecannabisa2c2.us > > To Unsubscribe from this group send email to > savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us > > View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org > — > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > “Save Cannabis” group. > For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an > email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us. > — You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. To post to this group send email to savecannabisa2c2.us To Unsubscribe from this group send email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org — You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups “Save Cannabis” group. For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us.

Re: LAWS and TAXES and… Don’t forget who owns your body!

From: savecannabis – January 1, 1970

I didn’t mean to come off the wrong way this is why I DO NOT VOTE I hate politics and government My brother and I went from being a growers of plants last year which gave us 99 plants each to grow for 199.00 ( included card for medicinal) We went last week as they were up for expiration date. The dr we usually go to was closed We ended finding a place in San Jose after many phone calls to find one ASAP we ended up paying 350.00 EACH Now were only allowed to grow 20 plants each Our medicinal card say we can grow 12 The new laws in San Jose SUCK Ok I’m off my soap box and I feel the same about the schools they don’t allow gun stores near schools which I can totally agree with but pot I just don’t get politics out J Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 30 2014 at 2:54 AM Starchild wrote: > > Juli > > One more thing I can’t help commenting on. You wrote “I do agree from keeping clubs away from schools”. > > In the name of all that’s good and true WHY > > Children are NOT harmed by seeing people use marijuana or smelling it let alone merely seeing where marijuana is sold Crafting public policy as if the lies of the authoritarians were true is not going to do them or anyone any favors. > > If officials really believed their own lies on this topic and it wasn’t just another excuse to try and keep our community criminalized and marginalized for the benefit of those in control they would prohibit SCHOOLS from locating near DISPENSARIES and not just the other way around > > I also notice you refer to us needing more “card holders” in government by which I presume you mean medical cannabis cards. > > This is how we get trapped. They build up this false construct and if you accept any part of it you soon find yourself logically trapped in this maze of phony rationalizations and restrictions tricked into conceding the legitimacy of their paradigm in a vain attempt to carve out a little breathing space within it where you can exist and look reasonable by their standards. But it’s a fool’s hope because their standards are not reasonable. They are based on premises that are fundamentally incompatible with truth and justice. > > I know you didn’t mean any harm but you’ve implicitly connected the idea of possessing a cannabis card with being well qualified to be making rules and laws for us. And who issues and controls those cards You already generally have to pay for your card if you want one. Then they become mandatory instead of voluntary. Then the price of the cards goes up making them an easy tool to extort more money from us. And meanwhile they’ve got everybody in a database for easier monitoring and control. Then they start rounding up the people on the list of cardholders and sending them off to concentration camps. No it won’t always go that far. Most times of course it doesn’t. But it can. > > And when the worst happens it happens in part because well-intentioned people were too ready to unquestioningly accept a preposterous evil idea because it seemed like a mark of political acceptance or a convenience or just like a reasonable “pragmatic” thing to go along with. Such as the idea that you need a card to show that you have permission to smoke a plant. > > Love & Liberty > ((( starchild ))) > > >> On Aug 30 2014 at 2:19 AM Starchild sfdreamerearthlink.net SFBayCannabisCommunity wrote: >> >> It’s heartening to see a growing public awareness that the endless list of taxes fees permits licenses and so on are in fact a system designed not to benefit the ordinary person who is subject to all this crap but to enhance the wealth and power of those in government who preside over it. >> >> But as the list presented by “the420testimony” below makes clear the possibilities for new ways to control the people and extract money from them are endless. Unfortunately it’s very easy to get lost in the underbrush. That’s why I was disappointed to see hisher message conclude by calling for tax on cannabis to be capped “at 10 for eternity”. >> >> It’s not difficult to imagine getting a 10 tax enacted and thinking we’ve won only for it to prove a short time later to be a hollow victory a short time later because so many additional requirements exceptions surcharges late fees convenience fees mandatory permit and licensing charges safety and environmental regulations etc. have been built into the system that most people are in fact paying far more if not directly in cash then in time spent attempting to follow all the mandates or in all the cool things that never come into existence due to the pervasiveness of time-consuming money-sucking soul-crushing rules. >> >> Freedom will only be sustainable and not subject to constant erosion and infringements if it is solidly tied to first principles: >> >> Our bodies belong to us and no government has any more right to say what we inhale or put into our mouths than it does to say what comes out of our mouths >> >> Keep bringing the conversation back to this simple truth and all the bureaucratic obfuscations and rationalizations are exposed as the charade they are to anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear. >> >> A 10 tax on cannabis is at best a step in the right direction an incremental measure to reluctantly go along with only until we can get something better to replace it. To view such a tax as an acceptable long-term solution is to fatally undermine our own freedom and invite its destruction. >> >> Meanwhile though to keep our sanity it’s always good to be able to laugh at the tragic absurdity of it all especially when it’s educational (kids love the part about having to eat our dishes): >> >> 😉 >> >> Love & Liberty >> ((( starchild ))) >> >> >>> On Aug 22 2014 at 10:18 AM ‘Juli Oatham’ via Save Cannabis wrote: >>> >>> I totally agree >>> I have never voted in my life and I’m almost 52 now I registered to vote just so I could save the San Jose ca clubs it came close but not good enough we need some regular card holders in government maybe things would change for us >>> I do agree from keeping clubs away from schools but a small club in a shopping center nowhere even close to schools that’s just Bull Shiit >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 21 2014 at 12:18 PM “‘Organic Cannabis Foundation’ via Save Cannabis” wrote: >>>> >>>> WOW ….. amazing observation ….thanks for this >>>> >>>> Dona Ruth Frank >>>> Natural Cannabis Company >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday August 20 2014 5:09 PM the420testimony wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> When one takes into consideration all these taxes – direct and >>>> indirect excise and impost: income (federal stateprovincial and local) sales GST Sin taxes (alcohol >>>> tobacco) permits (firearm building septic well) endless banking service fees (credit cards stocks bonds >>>> accounts…) endless fines and penalties (traffic invoice late fees…) travel (flight hotel rental) capital gains >>>> corporate income court costs insurance (property life medical vehicle employment workers >>>> compensation) licences (marriage dog hunting fishing driving piloting all professional all business) fuel >>>> permit gasoline (about 37) inheritance inventory IRSCRA interest and penalty charges (tax on top of >>>> tax) luxury property real estate social securityCanada pension truckers road usage registration fees >>>> (birth all professions all vehicles) school sports communication (TV cablesatellite internet fax endless >>>> telephone service fees (universal federal stateprov. and local charges surcharges minimum usage…. ) >>>> tolls (road bridge tunnel) utility (water gas electricity garbage) and the biggest most insidious of them >>>> all: inflation which is tax on the money itself …. breathe … we are being taxed well beyond any bracket >>>> which we might have previously estimated. If you add it up and no one can do this and remain sane you >>>> will see that 85 of your labour is going to pay… NOTHING. No you are not paying to keep your >>>> country functioning. You are paying to make rich the politicians who have tricked you into believing their >>>> scam. >>>> People still think for some absurd reason that the game the politicians play called legislation or >>>> law-making has something to do with us – the people. The politicians game is for themselves not for >>>> us. If we make rules in our own homes or communal groups do the politicians abide by our rules No. >>>> Should they have to No so why would we possibly think that their rules apply to us >>>> >>>> THATS WHY SB1262 FAILED…IT WAS THEIR RULES THAT FAILED >>>> >>>> MCLR 2016 IS OF THE PEOPLE AND SHOULD CAP TAX ON CANNABIS AT 10 FOR ETERNITY. >>>> >>>> >>>> — >>>> You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. >>>> >>>> To post to this group send email to >>>> savecannabisa2c2.us >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe from this group send email to >>>> savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us >>>> >>>> View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org >>>> — >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups “Save Cannabis” group. >>>> For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us. >> >> .. >> Posted by: Starchild > > — > You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. > > To post to this group send email to > savecannabisa2c2.us > > To Unsubscribe from this group send email to > savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us > > View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org > — > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups “Save Cannabis” group. > For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us. — You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. To post to this group send email to savecannabisa2c2.us To Unsubscribe from this group send email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org — You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups “Save Cannabis” group. For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us.

Re: LAWS and TAXES and… Don’t forget who owns your body!

From: sfdreamer – January 1, 1970

Juli One more thing I can’t help commenting on. You wrote “I do agree from keeping clubs away from schools”. In the name of all that’s good and true WHY Children are NOT harmed by seeing people use marijuana or smelling it let alone merely seeing where marijuana is sold Crafting public policy as if the lies of the authoritarians were true is not going to do them or anyone any favors. If officials really believed their own lies on this topic and it wasn’t just another excuse to try and keep our community criminalized and marginalized for the benefit of those in control they would prohibit SCHOOLS from locating near DISPENSARIES and not just the other way around I also notice you refer to us needing more “card holders” in government by which I presume you mean medical cannabis cards. This is how we get trapped. They build up this false construct and if you accept any part of it you soon find yourself logically trapped in this maze of phony rationalizations and restrictions tricked into conceding the legitimacy of their paradigm in a vain attempt to carve out a little breathing space within it where you can exist and look reasonable by their standards. But it’s a fool’s hope because their standards are not reasonable. They are based on premises that are fundamentally incompatible with truth and justice. I know you didn’t mean any harm but you’ve implicitly connected the idea of possessing a cannabis card with being well qualified to be making rules and laws for us. And who issues and controls those cards You already generally have to pay for your card if you want one. Then they become mandatory instead of voluntary. Then the price of the cards goes up making them an easy tool to extort more money from us. And meanwhile they’ve got everybody in a database for easier monitoring and control. Then they start rounding up the people on the list of cardholders and sending them off to concentration camps. No it won’t always go that far. Most times of course it doesn’t. But it can. And when the worst happens it happens in part because well-intentioned people were too ready to unquestioningly accept a preposterous evil idea because it seemed like a mark of political acceptance or a convenience or just like a reasonable “pragmatic” thing to go along with. Such as the idea that you need a card to show that you have permission to smoke a plant. Love & Liberty ((( starchild ))) On Aug 30 2014 at 2:19 AM Starchild sfdreamerearthlink.net SFBayCannabisCommunity wrote: > It’s heartening to see a growing public awareness that the endless list of taxes fees permits licenses and so on are in fact a system designed not to benefit the ordinary person who is subject to all this crap but to enhance the wealth and power of those in government who preside over it. > > But as the list presented by “the420testimony” below makes clear the possibilities for new ways to control the people and extract money from them are endless. Unfortunately it’s very easy to get lost in the underbrush. That’s why I was disappointed to see hisher message conclude by calling for tax on cannabis to be capped “at 10 for eternity”. > > It’s not difficult to imagine getting a 10 tax enacted and thinking we’ve won only for it to prove a short time later to be a hollow victory a short time later because so many additional requirements exceptions surcharges late fees convenience fees mandatory permit and licensing charges safety and environmental regulations etc. have been built into the system that most people are in fact paying far more if not directly in cash then in time spent attempting to follow all the mandates or in all the cool things that never come into existence due to the pervasiveness of time-consuming money-sucking soul-crushing rules. > > Freedom will only be sustainable and not subject to constant erosion and infringements if it is solidly tied to first principles: > > Our bodies belong to us and no government has any more right to say what we inhale or put into our mouths than it does to say what comes out of our mouths > > Keep bringing the conversation back to this simple truth and all the bureaucratic obfuscations and rationalizations are exposed as the charade they are to anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear. > > A 10 tax on cannabis is at best a step in the right direction an incremental measure to reluctantly go along with only until we can get something better to replace it. To view such a tax as an acceptable long-term solution is to fatally undermine our own freedom and invite its destruction. > > Meanwhile though to keep our sanity it’s always good to be able to laugh at the tragic absurdity of it all especially when it’s educational (kids love the part about having to eat our dishes): > > 😉 > > Love & Liberty > ((( starchild ))) > > > On Aug 22 2014 at 10:18 AM ‘Juli Oatham’ via Save Cannabis wrote: > >> I totally agree >> I have never voted in my life and I’m almost 52 now I registered to vote just so I could save the San Jose ca clubs it came close but not good enough we need some regular card holders in government maybe things would change for us >> I do agree from keeping clubs away from schools but a small club in a shopping center nowhere even close to schools that’s just Bull Shiit >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 21 2014 at 12:18 PM “‘Organic Cannabis Foundation’ via Save Cannabis” wrote: >> >>> WOW ….. amazing observation ….thanks for this >>> >>> Dona Ruth Frank >>> Natural Cannabis Company >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday August 20 2014 5:09 PM the420testimony wrote: >>> >>> >>> When one takes into consideration all these taxes – direct and >>> indirect excise and impost: income (federal stateprovincial and local) sales GST Sin taxes (alcohol >>> tobacco) permits (firearm building septic well) endless banking service fees (credit cards stocks bonds >>> accounts…) endless fines and penalties (traffic invoice late fees…) travel (flight hotel rental) capital gains >>> corporate income court costs insurance (property life medical vehicle employment workers >>> compensation) licences (marriage dog hunting fishing driving piloting all professional all business) fuel >>> permit gasoline (about 37) inheritance inventory IRSCRA interest and penalty charges (tax on top of >>> tax) luxury property real estate social securityCanada pension truckers road usage registration fees >>> (birth all professions all vehicles) school sports communication (TV cablesatellite internet fax endless >>> telephone service fees (universal federal stateprov. and local charges surcharges minimum usage…. ) >>> tolls (road bridge tunnel) utility (water gas electricity garbage) and the biggest most insidious of them >>> all: inflation which is tax on the money itself …. breathe … we are being taxed well beyond any bracket >>> which we might have previously estimated. If you add it up and no one can do this and remain sane you >>> will see that 85 of your labour is going to pay… NOTHING. No you are not paying to keep your >>> country functioning. You are paying to make rich the politicians who have tricked you into believing their >>> scam. >>> People still think for some absurd reason that the game the politicians play called legislation or >>> law-making has something to do with us – the people. The politicians game is for themselves not for >>> us. If we make rules in our own homes or communal groups do the politicians abide by our rules No. >>> Should they have to No so why would we possibly think that their rules apply to us >>> >>> THATS WHY SB1262 FAILED…IT WAS THEIR RULES THAT FAILED >>> >>> MCLR 2016 IS OF THE PEOPLE AND SHOULD CAP TAX ON CANNABIS AT 10 FOR ETERNITY. >>> >>> >>> — >>> You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. >>> >>> To post to this group send email to >>> savecannabisa2c2.us >>> >>> To Unsubscribe from this group send email to >>> savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us >>> >>> View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org >>> — >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups “Save Cannabis” group. >>> For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us. > > .. > Posted by: Starchild — You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. 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CALCBC: NORML Blog: Medical Cannabis States Possess Lower Rates Of Opiate-Induced Fatalities

From: axisoflovesf – January 1, 1970

This is awesome On Monday August 25 2014 Dale Gieringer wrote: > ————————————————————————— > Exciting new study from the Journal of the American Medical Assoc. confirming what we’ve all known for years – cannabis is an excellent harm reduction substitute for opiates in the control of chronic pain (especially the neuropathic variety). – D. Gieringer California NORML > > http:blog.norml.org20140825jama-medical-cannabis-states-possess-lower-rates-of-opiate-induced-fatalities > JAMA: Medical Cannabis States Possess Lower Rates Of Opiate-Induced Fatalities > > by Paul Armentano NORML Deputy Director > > August 25 2014 > > The enactment of medicinal marijuana laws are associated with significantly lower state-level opioid overdose mortality rates according to data published online today by the Journal of the American Medical Association. > > A team of investigators from the University of Pennsylvania the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City and the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore conducted a time-series analysis of medical cannabis laws and state-level death certificate data in the United States from 1999 to 2010 a period during which 13 states instituted laws allowing for cannabis therapy. > > Researchers reported States with medical cannabis laws had a 24.8 lower mean annual opioid overdose mortality rate compared with states without medical cannabis laws. Specifically overdose deaths from opioids decreased by an average of 20 percent one year after the laws implementation 25 percent by two years and up to 33 percent by years five and six. > > They concluded In an analysis of death certificate data from 1999 to 2010 we found that states with medical cannabis laws had lower mean opioid analgesic overdose mortality rates compared with states without such laws. This finding persisted when excluding intentional overdose deaths (ie suicide) suggesting that medical cannabis laws are associated with lower opioid analgesic overdose mortality among individuals using opioid analgesics for medical indications. Similarly the association between medical cannabis laws and lower opioid analgesic overdose mortality rates persisted when including all deaths related to heroin even if no opioid analgesic was present indicating that lower rates of opioid analgesic overdose mortality were not offset by higher rates of heroin overdose mortality. Although the exact mechanism is unclear our results suggest a link between medical cannabis laws and lower opioid analgesic overdose mortality. > > In a written statement to Reuters Health lead author Dr. Marcus Bachhuber said: Most of the discussion on medical marijuana has been about its effect on individuals in terms of reducing pain or other symptoms. The unique contribution of our study is the finding that medical marijuana laws and policies may have a broader impact on public health. > > Nationwide overdose deaths involving opioid analgesics have increased dramatically over the past decade. While fewer than 4100 opiate-induced fatalities were reported for the year 1999 by 2010 this figure rose to over 16600 according to an analysis by the US Centers for Disease Control. > > An abstract of the JAMA study Medical Cannabis Laws and Opioid Analgesic Overdose Mortality in the United States 1999-2010 appears online here. > > — > Donate and support the work of MMJNEWS by clicking here. 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