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sb 643

From: ronloma – January 1, 1970

No no no no. Neva said anythang like that I know 643 is Bad and is another version of the cops’ initiative. WAS asking about the statements in 643 ->existing law I never heard CCC is defending 643. Where did you hear that > > On 52515 Ronald Hennig wrote: >> Is This Legal SB 643 has gotta be corporate in original or aim. The >> suggestion that this has Big money behind it spot on. The stated -> >> existing law > stated 215 is a Real problem to all commercial interests. It is being >> ripped at by many and no one but CCC seems to be defending it. Is this >> there are so many initiatives out there want regulate the plant >> Am I off base here Can I get some feed-back here >> Ron Hennig >> >> — >> You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. >> >> To post to this group send email to >> savecannabisa2c2.us >> >> To Unsubscribe from this group send email to >> savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us >> >> View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org >> — >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> “Save Cannabis” group. >> For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an >> email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us. >> > > — > You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. > > To post to this group send email to > savecannabisa2c2.us > > To Unsubscribe from this group send email to > savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us > > View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org > — > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups “Save Cannabis” group. > For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us. — You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. To post to this group send email to savecannabisa2c2.us To Unsubscribe from this group send email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org — You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups “Save Cannabis” group. For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us.

sb 643

From: votedebbietharp – January 1, 1970

I never heard CCC is defending 643. Where did you hear that On 52515 Ronald Hennig wrote: > Is This Legal SB 643 has gotta be corporate in original or aim. The > suggestion that this has Big money behind it spot on. The stated -> > existing law stated 215 is a Real problem to all commercial interests. It is being > ripped at by many and no one but CCC seems to be defending it. Is this > there are so many initiatives out there want regulate the plant > Am I off base here Can I get some feed-back here > Ron Hennig > > — > You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. > > To post to this group send email to > savecannabisa2c2.us > > To Unsubscribe from this group send email to > savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us > > View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org > — > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > “Save Cannabis” group. > For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an > email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us. > — You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. To post to this group send email to savecannabisa2c2.us To Unsubscribe from this group send email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org — You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups “Save Cannabis” group. For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us.

[GrassrootsLibertarians] Libertarians should support DECRIMINALIZATION, not mere legalization

From: savecannabis – January 1, 1970

One problem is that not everyone uses the terms “legalize” and “criminalize” as you do below. R. From: “Letitia Pepper letitiapepperyahoo.com GrassrootsLibertarians” To: “lpradicalsyahoogroups.com” ; Global ; SFBay Cannabis Community ; Save Cannabis ; Northern California Libertarians Sent: Saturday May 23 2015 1:59 PM Subject: GrassrootsLibertarians Libertarians should support DECRIMINALIZATION not mere legalization I think libertarians should be working to DECRIMINALIZE marijuana not merely “legalizing” it. DECRIMINALIZATION will level the playing field for everyone who wants to get into the “cannabis industry.” “Legalization” allows the big players — the governments and their buddies their cronies the corporations to take control. To support decriminalization the Libertarian Party could begin by endorsing the California Compassionate and Sensible Access Act a constitutional amendment initiative filed with the Attorney General’s Office on April 15 2015. This constitutional amendment initiative will begin collecting signatures in mid June 2015. It is the first initiative to be designed to be downloaded and printed from a home computer and then mailed to a central location for processing before turn-ins to each County Registrar of Voters. One of its primary designers is Debbie Tharp Libertarian From: “thatpetitionguyyahoo.com lpradicals” To: lpradicalsyahoogroups.com Sent: Friday May 22 2015 2:49 PM Subject: lpradicals Re: Ohio Libertarian Party opposes cronyist “legalization” measure Here is the problem with this: a lot of the public will not read any of the details they’ll just hear Libertarians in Ohio oppose marijuana legalization initiative. I agree that the initiative is flawed and this is a perfect example of why Libertarians ought to be more involved in the initiative process as in Libertarians ought to be the proponents of these initiatives and Libertarians ought to be involved in drafting the language of these initiatives. While the perfect libertarian initiative may not pass at least write the initiative so it is as libertarian as possible. Marijuana legalization is a read hot issue right now and Libertarians ought to be at the forefront of this issue. Yes I know that the Libertarian Party has been talking about legalizing marijuana since 1971 but talking about it is not enough. Libertarians need to become the proponents of marijuana legalization initiatives and I think that it would be even better if they were also candidates for office at the same time. Like say a Libertarian Party candidate for Governor is also the proponent of a state wide ballot initiative to legalize marijuana. Carla Howell did something like this in Massachusetts when she ran for Governor back in 2002 as during the same time period she was the proponent of a ballot initiative to End The State Income Tax. I think that a Libertarian Party candidate being the proponent of a Marijuana Legalization initiative could have an even bigger impact because: 1) Marijuana legalization is a much “hotter” issue nationally right now than ending the state income tax was in Massachusetts in 2002. Surveys indicate that more than 50 of Americans now favor legalizing marijuana. 2) There is less resistance from the state to legalizing marijuana than there was to ending the state income tax. Sure the police and prison industry oppose marijuana legalization but there are others within government who actually do support marijuana legalization. A lot of these people do not support legalizing marijuana for the same reasons that libertarians want to legalize it as their primary interest is in “taxing and regulating” it. I do not like the “tax and regulate” marijuana angle myself but taxing and regulating it is better than putting people in jail or prison and it would at least cut down on the number of people who are harassed and illegally searched by the police. So a good strategy here is for Libertarians to draft these initiatives and make the taxes and regulations on marijuana as little as possible. If marijuana is to be “taxed and regulated” then say that the taxes are no more than what the state sales tax is or whatever the state taxes on cigarettes and alcohol are and say that it can only be sold to those who are 21 and over like cigarettes and alcohol. Once again I personally favor zero taxes and regulations on marijuana but I’m talking about Libertarians drafting a ballot initiative that can actually qualify for the ballot and has a realistic chance of passing without putting too many things in the initiative that are anti-liberty. Libertarians should be at the forefront of this movement to legalize marijuana and if we are not we will get left behind (once again) and the marijuana initiatives that end up passing will be full of all high taxes onerous regulations and crony capitalism. I had an idea several years ago that Libertarians ought to purchase billboard space on busy highways and roads that have a big picture of a pot leaf on them and say something like “LEGALIZE VOTE LIBERTARIAN” and below that say 800-ELECTUS and LP.org so people passing by who see the billboards know how to get in touch with the party. —In lpradicalsyahoogroups.com wrote : California apparently isn’t the only state where phonycrony efforts are afoot to push cannabis “reform” measures designed to benefit favored businesses rather than the cannabis community as a whole. I was glad to see that the Ohio Libertarian Party just came out against one such measure being pushed in that state for all the right reasons. Their political director nails it especially in the final sentence (see article from the party’s website below). Love & Liberty ((( starchild ))) Fromhttp:www.independentpoliticalreport.com201505libertarian-party-of-ohio-opposes-responsible-ohio-cannabis-initiative : Libertarian Party of Ohio Opposes Responsible Ohio Cannabis Initiative 19 RepliesFrom theLPO website:The Executive Committee of the Libertarian Party of Ohio voted unanimously to oppose the initiative to re-legalize cannabis for all purposes being launched by the group known as Responsible Ohio. The group is currently petitioning to place an initiative on the Ohio ballot which would create a closed system of 10 growing sites for the cultivation of cannabis in the state a strictly-limited network of vendors and suppliers and a provision for users to grow only a very small amount of cannabis for their own use.Because the Libertarian Party has supported re-legalizing cannabis since the partys inception in 1971 the LPOs decision to oppose this particular measure is very significant. The partys objection to the proposal stems from the crony-capitalist nature of the proposed legislation. The Responsible Ohio initiative would lock in the 10 particular growing sites granting an effective monopoly to the investors who control those sites. Since the initiative is being offered as an amendment to the Ohio Constitution any future change would also have to be done by means of a constitutional amendment which would likely face well-financed opposition from the beneficiaries of this proposal.There is nothing responsible about Responsible Ohio said LPO Political Director Tricia Sprankle. This isnt a proposal to restore rights to Ohioans. Its a crony scheme to line the pockets of a few wealthy investors.Sprankle pointed out that the Responsible Ohio cannabis initiative parallels the casino gambling amendment that Ohioans were gulled into passing in 2009. That amendment granted a monopoly to a handful of large corporations to operate full casinos at just four sites in Ohio.Hopefully the voters of Ohio have learned and wont be fooled a second time Sprankle said. The LPO understands the desire to see cannabis prohibition end. We agree. But if Responsible Ohios initiative passes Ohioans will still be getting busted for pot 20 years from now.Several other groups are also pursuing cannabis re-legalization in various forms although none are benefiting from the support of the deep-pockets supporting the Responsible Ohio amendment. The LPO is reviewing these other options and will address the issue again soon.We counsel patience right now Sprankle concluded. After three-quarters of a century of prohibition its better to wait a little longer for a better cleaner law than to grasp at the first opportunity and pay for it later. .. 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sb 643

From: ronloma – January 1, 1970

Is This Legal SB 643 has gotta be corporate in original or aim. The suggestion that this has Big money behind it spot on. The stated -> existing law

Tips for Large Cannabis Growers

From: the420testimony – January 1, 1970

1) Don’t Bulldoze Wetlands Any work that involves digging or heavy equipment work in a watercoursewetland or in a location where rain could wash dirt into a year-round or seasonal creek river wetland or wet feature probably requires a permit from the California Water Board. 2) Don’t Dam Streams Placing any type of material or structure (e.g. stream crossing culvert water intake dam etc.) in a stream (either year-round or seasonal) probably requires a permit from the California Water Board. 3) Just Leave the Water Alone Diverting water from a stream probably requires a permit from the California Water Board. 4) Building Roads Requires a Permit Building any roads landings terraces or other features that involve placement of earthen fill material on your land needs a permit from the California Water Board and the project may harm water quality if not constructed carefully subjecting you to enforcement and possible penalties. 5) Moving Earth Requires a Permit Grading excavating or otherwise moving earth on your property may require a permit from the California Water Board. 6) Keep Chemicals Out of Streams Using andor storing pesticides herbicides fertilizers fuel or other chemicals on your property requires managing these materials in such a way that they will not threaten to impact surface waters or groundwater in any way. Discharging any of the materials noted above to surface water or groundwater is illegal. 7) Keep Trash Out of Streams Generating andor storing solid waste (e.g. amendment bags boxes containers dead plant material waste soil etc.) requires managing these materials in such a way that they will not threaten to impact surface waters or groundwater in any way. Discharging any of the materials noted above to surface water or groundwater is illegal. 8) Fines Could Be Huge Unpermited earthwork and paving by licensed contractors whose work affects streams and water crossings can lead to fines in excess of 10000 per day. 9) Fines Could Be Huge Part 2 Unlicensed earthwork could result in misdemeanor charges 6 months in jail 5000 fine and up to 15000 in administrative fines for the first offense. The second offense carries a mandatory 90-day jail sentence and a fine of 20 percent of the contract price or 5000. 8) Enforcement Is Going Up As we detail in our Legalization Nation print column on Wednesday the State of California has dedicated more than 1.5 million to enforcing water quality laws on cannabis growers. 9) Good Growers Must Stand Up Multi-agency water task forces are tackling the most impacted watersheds this year but theyre looking for voluntary compliance. What we are seeking from the growers is a commitment to work with us to solve the water quality and water supply problems in the watershed stated Cris Carrigan Chief of the State Water Boards Office of Enforcement which is specifically focused on compliance with existing environmental regulations. 10) Report Folks Who Are Trashing Watersheds The public can help by educating friends and neighbors and reporting water quality violations to the California Water Boards at: North Coast Regional Water Quality Control Board (707) 534-7128 stormer.feilerwaterboards.ca.gov; Central Valley Regional Water Quality Control Board (530) 224-4845 Clint.Snyderwaterboards.ca.gov; State Water Resources Control Board Office of Enforcement Phone: (916) 341-5272 erin.mustainwaterboards.ca.gov or you can submit an environmental complaint to CalEPA via the following web link . — You received this message because you are part of the SaveCannabis group. To post to this group send email to savecannabisa2c2.us To Unsubscribe from this group send email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us View Archives at http:SaveCannabis.org — You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups “Save Cannabis” group. For more options visit https:groups.google.comaa2c2.usdoptout. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an email to savecannabis unsubscribea2c2.us.