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May 23, 2012 – Digest for s..[email protected] – 10 Messages in 8 Topics

    "Dr. David Bearman" <s..[email protected]> May 22 01:43AM -0400  

    yep.
    palpable bull. I can smell it from here.
    1) at 32 his friend is not the youngest patient to have open heart surgery. It's done on infants and I even think it has been done in-utero.
    2)Well you could scrape a half ounce of oil off his shirt, or maybe his chest hairs.
    bu,t assuming he smoked the cannabis, the smoke would go into the bronchi.
    Certainly Dr. Tashkin,Emeritus Professor of Pulmonology at UCLA School of Medicine and recipient of frequent NIDA grants,would have seen in at least one person in his numerous lung studies on cannabis , a speck of this oil. He didn't,because it wasn't there and couldn't be there..
    3)This story is preposterous. Assuming that this guy really believes something like this happened he has his "facts" upside down and backwards, to say the least.
    and
    4)i wouldn't be surprised if the story teller was drunk or in an altered state when he heard this story( that is if the whole thing ,besides being impossible is a fraud from beginning to end.-
    Peace
    David Bearman,M.D.
     

     

    Chris Conrad <s..[email protected]> May 22 02:36PM -0700  

    I brought up this question at the Seventh Biennial Clinical Conference on
    Cannabis Therapeutics and the panel of researchers agreed that this claim
    makes no sense. They said that when you smoke it, the oils are burned and
    released as vapor absorbed into the lungs. When you vaporize, the vapors are
    absorbed in the lungs. In neither case do the cannabinoids condense in the
    lungs. None of them gave this claim the least bit of credibility.
     
    — Chris <s..[email protected]>(phone#-removed)
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    Dave Hodges <s..[email protected]> May 22 02:35PM -0700  

    I have been very disappointed in people's understanding of this extremely
    important case. Hopefully this email will help people understand why it
    will likely stand, and how legislation such as AB2312 must be re-written to
    comply with it.
     
    The PACK decision effectively says: "A city can not issue (or charge lots
    of $ for) a 'permit' or 'authorize' anyone to commit hate crimes (or any
    other federally illegal crime, such as selling marijuana)"
     
    What the city can do is "Register" a list of "sex offenders" and tell them
    if they follow the rules, we won't lock them up again.
     
    When you apply the PACK decision to any other federal crime, it's extremely
    easy to understand.
     
    You can read the full decision here:
    http://savecannabis.org/pack-decision.pdf
     
    The 2 most important parts are:
     
    Page 3)
    *"The question presented by this case is whether the City’s ordinance,
    which permits and regulates medical marijuana collectives rather than
    merely decriminalizing specific acts, is preempted by federal law. "
    *
    and
     
    Page 33)
    *"The conclusion is inescapable: the City’s permits are more than simply
    an easy way to identify those collectives against whom the City has chosen
    not to enforce its prohibition against collectives; the permits instead
    authorize the operation of collectives by those which hold them. As such,
    the permit provisions, including the substantial application fees and
    renewal fees, and the lottery system, are federally preempted"
    *
    IMHO, it is one of the best, well written, cannabis decisions I have ever
    read (and I've read most of them).
     
    If you apply the Pack decision to any other federal crime “the conclusion
    is inescapable”, the Pack case will stand… if the Pack case does NOT
    stand (then AB2312 CAN be adopted).. then it wouldn't be long before cities
    can start issuing “kill whitey" "permits", and the government "authorizes"
    bank robberies to anyone who pays them $100,000.
     
    This is how the law works…
     
    One of the most disturbing things I learned from the unity conference was
    that if the Pack decision stands, AB2312 will be "destroyed". This is
    what ASA's Attorney James Anthony claimed, before brushing off the Pack
    decision stating it was unlikely to be upheld. It is extremely unfortunate
    that the opinions of attorney’s that have never successfully argued a
    cannabis case would ever be relied on for this important of fact…
     
    If we are going to pass legislation it needs to comply with the law, if it
    is true AB2312 is not Pack compliant, it should never have been introduced
    into legislation.
     
    So is James correct? and if so, how did it happen that AB2312 is not Pack
    compliant?
     
    Best Regards,
    Dave Hodges

     

 

 

    Matthew Meyer <s..[email protected]> May 22 08:18AM -0700  

    RE: Pack
     
    As of May 18th the case is "fully briefed":
    http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/briefing.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=1994201&doc_no=S197169
     
     
    Unfortunately, the briefs are not easily found online. If anyone knows
    where they can be found, I'm interested.
     
    On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:10 AM, Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur <
     

    Matthew Meyer
    PhD Candidate
    Anthropology Department
    University of Virginia