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August 13, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 10 Messages in 4 Topics

    Bud <s..s@a2c2.us> Aug 13 12:05PM -0700  

    So now it's a plot when people try to keep at least some dispensaries open
    in L.A.? This all-or-nothing mindset is quite damaging to the MMJ movement,
    because it implies that anything less than the current free-for-all of
    non-regulation is unacceptable.
     
    Whether grandfathering in older permits in L.A. is a good idea or not is
    way beyond the point. The point is that no type of regulation seems to pass
    muster with certain folks, who seem content to cling to the mast of a
    rapidly sinking ship. If and when we can get our heads around the notion
    that not only cannabis be regulated, but that it MUST be regulated to
    advance the movement and fend off federal intervention, we can start having
    a rational debate.
     
    The no-taxes, no-regulations and no-limits argument is bankrupt, since
    that's exactly the scenario that led to the greedy Green Rush and the
    predictable backlash against it. The most dangerous special-interest group
    we face today is not ASA, UFCW or any of the regional collective
    organizations. It's the cannabis anarchy movement, full of talk but little
    else.
     
    On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur <

     

    David Malmo-Levine <s..s@a2c2.us> Aug 13 03:31PM -0700  

    "greed" does not stem from those who wish to operate in a free market but
    rather from those who would set up models of exclusivity. The choice is not
    between monopoly and zero regulation. The wine model offers regulation
    without monopoly.
     
    On 2012-08-13 3:26 PM, "Bud" <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
     
    So now it's a plot when people try to keep at least some dispensaries open
    in L.A.? This all-or-nothing mindset is quite damaging to the MMJ movement,
    because it implies that anything less than the current free-for-all of
    non-regulation is unacceptable.
     
    Whether grandfathering in older permits in L.A. is a good idea or not is
    way beyond the point. The point is that no type of regulation seems to pass
    muster with certain folks, who seem content to cling to the mast of a
    rapidly sinking ship. If and when we can get our heads around the notion
    that not only cannabis be regulated, but that it MUST be regulated to
    advance the movement and fend off federal intervention, we can start having
    a rational debate.
     
    The no-taxes, no-regulations and no-limits argument is bankrupt, since
    that's exactly the scenario that led to the greedy Green Rush and the
    predictable backlash against it. The most dangerous special-interest group
    we face today is not ASA, UFCW or any of the regional collective
    organizations. It's the cannabis anarchy movement, full of talk but little
    else.
     
     
     
    On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur <
    s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Aug 13 03:55PM -0700  

    Bud? Not stating that no regs and no taxes by stating no bans and no caps.
    I think we definitely have a huge ethical issue with restrictive permitting
    that benefits special interest. What lead to crackdown has been clearly
    revealed by the us attny themselves. It was the Oakland plans to have
    stadium size grows and the obvious cloaking of huge enterprise as medical
    non profit. It wasn't the small business community nor the mid to small
    cultvation projects . I don't by any strectch support no rules , I support
    and even and fair set of guidelines that protects everyones collective and
    rewards compliance for all and makes that compliance affordable as well as
    our medicine.
    On Aug 13, 2012 3:26 PM, "Bud" <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:

     

 

 

    Angela Bacca <s..s@a2c2.us> Aug 12 10:15PM -0700  

    Mike, approx where do you live? I'm gonna drive up there Friday through the
    weekend.
     
    Also, thanks shona ūüôā
     
    The article is for skunk magazines humboldt issue. I would love to talk to
    lots of ppl!

     

 

    Andrew Merkel <s..s@a2c2.us> Aug 13 08:21AM -0700  

    They have been flying out of Chico airport for several years. I believe that they are conducting military exercises. The military would not attack the American people, even if you grow medicine. I have talked to family members in the military. They are in awe on what our police force is trying to achieve, and they fly classified missions in the middle east.
     
    Good luck,
     
    AM
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

 

July 13, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 21 Messages in 9 Topics

    s..s@a2c2.us Jul 14 03:07AM  

    I confer with everything Letitia said: we the "no tax, no regulate" folk have been experiencing censorship by NORML, Save Cannabis, Hash Bash planners etc.
     
    I think it time for all of us to recognize that it is primarily Obama who is escalating the War on Cannabis Producers and Consumers. And while I do have problems with Harborside, and DeAngelo, I do support this following upcoming demonstration when Obama comes to Oakland:
     
    ==========
    The federal attacks on the medical cannabis community keep coming. Recently, the Department of Justice announced their intention to confiscate two buildings operated by Harborside Health Center in Oakland, CA and in San Jose, CA. This latest attack comes on the heels of other raids, audits, and other intimidation around the state.
     
    Can you please join us on Monday, July 23, to tell President Obama to stop attacking California's medical cannabis patients, cultivators, and providers when he visits the Fox Theater in downtown Oakland?
     
    Harborside Health Center (HHC), Americans For Safe Access (ASA), and others are calling for a peaceful protest to let the President know we want him to stop the federal attack!
     
    Mark your calendar for MONDAY, JULY 23, right now!! The approximate time is 3:30 pm.
    We will be sending more details soon – including ways to shuttle in patients from outside the area.
     
    http://www.facebook.com/events(phone#-removed)988/
     
    PLEASE SIGN UP HERE FOR MORE ACTION ALERTS:
    http://ow.ly/ceiEe
    ==========
     
    I can't make the trip out to Oakland but please make sure every activist you know is aware and attending this protest. Yes DeAngelo and I have our differences but this transcends all of that. It is time for the beginning of the "Great Evolution." And it starts by unmasking Obama for what he is: a Globalist Corporate WHORE!
     
    Frankly this should mark the beginning of a change of strategy where we focus on Obama and Romney specifically. Both have no intention of legalizing Cannabis and both are in the pockets of Goldman Sachs, Monsanto and Big Pharma. But to do this we have to get beyond a whole lot of anachronistic nonsense. Cannabis is one of natures safest herbs and causes virtually no deaths. Cannabis is an herb that every adult should have the inalienable right to grow. People that grow from their homes probably constitute millions of jobs in a dying economy. I could go on . . .
     
    The bottom line is that what is required now is a change of focus: from city/state matters to a stealth federal focus. Wherever Obama or Romney go we need to encourage American citizens to be there to protest and demand our inalienable right to grow Cannabis, herbs, foods. At the same time I would recommend an end to GMO foods, BPA, Chemtrails, High fructose corn syrup.
     
    We need to tear the masks off these Globalist Corporate Whores in a way that cannot be ignored by the Corporate Mainstream Media at the National Level: CNN, CNBC, FOX, MSNBC
     
    It would also be useful to expose the fact that mainstream media is "owned" by 6 Multinational Corporations that represent the Military Industrial Complex, the Prison Industrial Complex, Big Pharma and the Central Banks. The fact is what happened at Harborside is just the beginning of a much larger agenda that will become apparent immediately after the election as we fall off the "debt cliff" and the Globalists attempt to steal what little we have left.
     
    We are in fact entering a period of civil war that will be apparent before summer 2013.
     
    Bruce W. Cain

     

 

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 13 07:15PM -0700  

    as far as parking in SF? Wow.. my best advice would actually be to
    park in the city hall parking lot .which is kind of underneath the
    building itself. I looking forward to meeting folks in person! How
    exciting ! Anyone traveling is welcome to come by and kick back at our
    community center afterwards its only about three blocks from city
    hall.mi casa su casa!
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    s..s@a2c2.us Jul 13 03:15AM  

    For the first time in decades, and I mean that literally, I have the sense that this whole insane War on Marijuana Consumers is going to end in the next 5 years.
     
    And when that time comes — when all of us can grow tax free from our homes and gardens — it would be nice if we don't completely destroy friendships that have been "cultivated" over these last few decades.
     
    I'm not going to point any fingers, and I'm not a saint myself, but would it be too much to keep our arguments focused on substance and not each other.
     
    Now onto the summersaults . . .
     
    For the first year in many I was not allowed to speak at the Hash Bash largely because my "no tax, no regulate" position was against the grain of the "tax and regulate" DeAngelo who was brought in as the "featured speaker." So I sat it out and did the following video that was probably watched by nearly 900 people . . . roughly 1 fifth of those that actually attended the Hash Bash this year. Her are my comments:
     

     
    So it appears "instant karma" has finally bit DeAngelo in the butt as Obama is now out to close Harborside. Boo Hoo . . .
     
    I think the expression goes that "when you've tried everything else the last resort is to do the right thing." And in that frame of mind perhaps it is time for DeAngelo, Chris Conrad and a host of other "tax and regulate" folk to finally join us in demanding that Obama simply let ALL ADULTS grow it. No taxes, regulations or government control. Because the way it lookas to me you're about to loose it all, which might be a good time to stop playing Obama's game which basically amounts to shooting fish (that would be dispensaries and large growers) in a barrel.
     
    At least by taking my lead you will at least be able to grow what you like at home. That should be some solace.
     
    And if you DO watch the video note that Marc Emery and I have been at odds since about 2000. But I still see him as a political prisoner and I will continue to demand that he be sent home to Jodie. See we can disagree but still be civil to one another. Right?
     
    Bruce W. Cain

     

 

    Clif Deuvall <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 12 11:43PM -0500  

    Thank you for saying, what I've tried to explain, even in Texas, a "put them away " state. To tax those which are ill is discrimination under the 64-65 Civil Rights Acts.
     

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 13 12:58AM -0700  

    I am hoping that this response is being directed to only those who
    choose to partake in? Letitia may I suggest that the core of the issue
    could be that some organizations attempt to marginalize the myriad of
    patient voices and opions? And that no one organization could ever
    fairly represent all patients . Even in comparision to the growth of
    worker unions? Variety of unions represent different workers with
    unique barriers in fighting for their rights. I agree that we need to
    collectively define patient advocate in contrast to a industry
    lobbyist . Which in the future will help both aspects ?
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    s..s@a2c2.us Jul 13 02:27AM -0400  

    Terry,
    One other recommendation that I can share that I have found valuable in
    forum activities is not jumping to conclusions. That has happened here so let
    me clear one thing up so we can continue with future quality exchanges. I
    am not Dave Hodges. I have much respect for him as I do for you and
    everyone else posting here, but I do not speak for him, he does not speak for me,
    and I will gladly communicate directly with you or anyone else in a
    positive and respectful manner on any subject. In regard to your statement that
    the "censorship program on Save Cannabis is obvious", I believe it is more
    accurate from what I read to say the "moderation program on Save Cannabis is
    obvious" since I can clearly see them recently posting from you and many
    other perspectives while what has been "moderated" as far as I can tell seems
    to be some the distractions we all want to avoid. There is proven value
    in moderated discussions when you are trying to stay focused. Terry, I
    know what I am capable of and what I have to offer and I chose to stay focused
    as best I can on positive people and ideas that create solutions, the
    actions taken to make them happen, and any discourse that truly contributes to
    the real advancement of our "collective" goals. I am excited about the
    opportunity for further development of ideas with you and every other willing
    contributor as we continue moving forward.
    With respect,
    John

     

    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 13 06:25AM -0700  

    I would much rather pay taxes in a $50 legalized ounce than not pay taxes on a $300 medicalized ounce….That is basic math…..
     
     
     

     

 

 

    Letitia Pepper <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 13 10:53AM -0700  

          I know there are many points of view.  But ASA has money and attorneys.  So, it, of all entities, should not be AGREEING to taxation of medicine.  This is a very simple issue, and given that Don Duncan has stated that he is not a patient himself, it's sad but not surprising he's not as concerned about total costs to patients as are patients themselves.
     
    — On Fri, 7/13/12, Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
     
     
    I  am hoping that this response is being directed to only those who
    choose to partake in? Letitia may I suggest that the core of the issue
    could be that some organizations attempt to marginalize the myriad of
    patient voices and opions? And that no one organization could ever
    fairly represent all patients . Even in comparision to the growth of
    worker unions? Variety of unions represent different workers with
    unique barriers in fighting for their rights. I agree that we need to
    collectively define patient advocate in contrast to a industry
    lobbyist . Which in the future will help both aspects ?
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

 

    Starchild <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 13 06:53PM -0700  

    David,
     
    You may not be the most diplomatic person, but thank you for clearly laying out those three points. I think they are very well stated.
     
    Love & Liberty,
    ((( starchild )))
     
     
    On Jul 13, 2012, at 11:06 AM, David Malmo-Levine wrote:
     

     

 

    Andrew Merkel <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 13 08:11AM -0700  

    Here are some voter results for Butte Co. This might help you people make decisions or ask for help. Instead you fight over petty things. Some of you should take a serious chill pill. This is what hard work, effort, and mainly a group of organized citizens can do.
    I sincerely hope all of us can get on a path that leads us to some sort of regulation. You need to learn how to play by their rules, there are none. It's easy to talk bad about people on the Internet and on the phone, but face to face I don't don't think you would treat each other the way you do on this loop.
     
    Stay well, work hard, and ask questions,
     
     
    Andrew Merkel
     
    Sent from my iPad
     
    Sent from my iPad

     

    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 13 07:52AM -0700  

    Ending this thing once and for all….
    Posted by Mickey Martin on July 13th, 2012
    We are close…I can feel it. The days of cannabis prohibition are numbered. It will not be any one person or group who will push this thing over the edge, but you can be sure that soon, very soon, we all will collectively end this thing once and for all…
    The writing is on the wall. Look around you. Even ultra conservative cats like New jersey GovernorChris Christie are out in front declaring the drug war a huge failure. Ultra Right-Wing Conservative televangelist Pat Robertson says marijuana should be treated like alcohol. Governors and mayors across America are questioning the validity of taking people to jail for weed. The entire Democratic Party of TEXAS has embraced a legalization platform. The media coverage of the crackdown is heavily favored in our direction. The revelation that President Obama was the leader of the Choom Gang has made it more difficult to deny that cannabis is indeed safe, enjoyable, and helpful….shit, it helped Obama get elected President.
    These scenarios, along with dozens of other mainstream channels of support for cannabis, lead me to believe that we are closer than ever to ending cannabis prohibition (and hopefully the entire drug war). The citizens have had it. They are tired of the bullshit. We can no longer continue to take our friends, neighbors, and otherwise good people to jail for weed. IT IS NOT WORKING!
    But finally, a MAJORITY of Americans are seeing that writing on the wall and joining in a loud chorus of calls for real reform. This shit is bigger than any one of us and we should work hard to support the zeitgeist we see taking over the cannabis conversation. We need to reach out to and commend those, like Chris Christie, who are beginning to see the drug war for what it is…our Nation’s biggest debacle EVER! I do not care who you are….if you are willing to stand up and declare the drug war an utter failure with your bully pulpit then I am here to support you on that. I will never agree with Chris Christie on 90% of his bullshit conservative platform. But if he is for ending the drug war, that is something I can get behind big boy on….
    So when, wehre and how does this thing end; and what can we do to help push it along? That is a very good question, and not one that I likely have the answer to. But I do strongly believe that we can continue to keep the subject front and center and force our society to continue to have an open and honest conversation about where it all went so wrong.
    The winning conversation is the one that points out the absurdity of taking people to jail for weed; the amount of time, energy, and treasure we waste on taking people to jail for weed; and the immoral and unjust practices that the war on cannabis has resulted in, often in the form of racist practices and targeting the poor. Rich kids do not go to jail for weed…poor kids do.
    People get this. They think it is stupid that we waste billions of dollars every year taking people to jail for weed with nothing to show for it. There is no less weed on our streets. There is no progress being made. Just a huge waste of resources, and millions of people unjustly being treated like criminals for a safe and enjoyable plant. The jig is up…
    Maybe even the crackdown is part of the larger legalization scheme. Maybe their strategy is to cripple any major cannabis provider (or all of them) in an effort to clear the way for the corporate takeover. It is completely possible that what we are seeing is the final battle we always knew was coming. Maybe this is the final fight in the war on cannabis, and maybe we are winning. What is for sure is that the more they continue to crack down on cannabis users, and allow their bad policy to fly in the face of rational thinking, the more they are exposed as crooks, liars, and generally bad people, The more we can make the point that the real crime is taking people to jail for weed, the more we see the walls of prohibition crumbling.
    We must stay resolute. We must stay focused. We cannot afford to waste any opportunity to get our message out and it is our duty to continue to shed light on the truth…taking people to jail for weed is a bad idea. If we continue to support the narrative we see happening in our community, and do the work to educate and inform our friends and neighbors, we will continue to see progress towards the ultimate goal of cannabis freedom; maybe even sooner than we think.
    I still believe we can end this thing at the end of Summer, if we play our cards right. Sometimes fate has its own schedule, and the overwhelming conversation I see being had in our society is that taking people to jail for weed is just stupid. Let’s amplify that message to every part of the earth, until we see the call for an end to this insane prohibition is realized. This is how we end this thing once and for all….we do the work, stay on message, and keep fighting every day to expose cannabis prohibition as a fraud, and eliminate it from our social landscape. We are close…..keep pushing the ball down the field. Victory WILL be ours….and sooner than we think.
    #SummerOfBuds
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..s@a2c2.us
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/micKEYmarTIN
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***

     

    Richard Muller <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 13 04:58AM -0700  

    Hi all,
     
    just a reminder for those going.
     
    Richard
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Thanks to all of you for your continued support.  I just got word from Jose’s Attorney that the entire court calendar for has been moved to Friday July 13th, 9:30am in front of Judge Donna Ryu.  This is an arraignment hearing at the Oakland Federal Courthouse, 1301 Clay Street, 3rd Floor in Courtroom 4.  Be sure to bring a valid ID, and leave all your medicine at home, a there is a federal security screening upon entering the building.
     
    We are also excited that Green Aid is putting on a fundraiser to benefit Jose Gutierrez (Activist Arrested outside of Coffeshop Blue Sky at the Oaksterdam Raid by federal authorities), Daisy Bram (who had her children taken from her for cultivation in Butte County), Eddy Lepp (Currently serving a federal sentence for cultivation in Lake County), and other Green Aid clients. Music, Comedy with Ngaio, Unusual refreshments at a private residence in Oakland, hosted by Jane Klien & Ed Rosenthal, on Saturday July 28 3:30-9PM
    Wonders of Cannabis Summer Party
    $20 in Advance, $25 at the door
    www.green-aid.com or www.wondersofcannabis.com
     
    Regards and thanks,
     
     
    Sarah Shrader
    Coordinator of Sonoma ASA Chapter
    (phone#-removed)
    s..s@a2c2.us
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

     

    Dennis Nebeker <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 12 06:41PM -0700  

    Great questions….but although these activities may be protected by CA law the continued crackdown by the DEA is making these ruling useless. The property owner of our collective got THE DEA letter telling him to get us out or loose his building last year. Two months later he gets another letter saying he has not complied and he better do it ASAP. This meant that we were being watched and he had no choice. We were in 100% compliance in all ways including distance from schools. This ruling is the greatest thing to happen for Prop 215 and gives us strength and belief that we will win one day be triumpth, how will it help collectives today?
     
    Sent from my iPhone
    Dennis
     

     

June 15, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 25 Messages in 12 Topics

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 14 09:12PM -0700  

    once again I stand in envy and awe of your talents. Here my two cents.
    I love mdcs I helpd craft my citys ordinance. My goal? Isnt at all to
    take down the stores but to have public policy that accounts for
    people on limited income due to being disabled have equal access to
    medical grade cannabis. Our city has a program called healthy sf .
    Which for example many axis members we pay a co pay on our pain meds
    that are legal by doctors rx but we pay full price at our city medical
    cannabis stores? Most of us prefer not to use morphine patches ect..
    But they cost less with our co pay than our prefer remdemy cannabis.
    although totally toxic and shutting down our kidneys ect . So we feel
    our city should consider a co pay via our healthy sf prgm. So we can
    afford the medical hi grade . WE ENJOY yes enjoy . Imagine unicorns
    and poor people getting at cost or co pay or free cannabis for the
    poor patients and unicorns? Yes im crazy but its totally ok to be sick
    and comepletly enjoy your meds.
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

 

 

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 15 04:38PM -0700  

    DR. Jean had an emgerancy at clinic. He just comunicated w me and
    sincerely apologized . For folks not in the know? Asa block of
    taskforce thru off the quorum today when it was my turn to chair our
    taskforce . Although I had checkd with everyone to confirm ? Only
    martin brent stew were true to their word. Raymond of divinty contatcd
    me at crack of dawn and maureen is moving today . Allot of b.s. From
    ab2312 crew tday others were thrown off policy forums and censord for
    questioning this bill and organization that put it forward. Wow great
    lack of leadership admist our greatest crisis? Censorship isnt unity
    .to point out the obvouis bt i need to state that i think dan rush
    really drank the koolaide and tried to be inclusive. Thank you dan . I
    saw your effort to bring everyone together.
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

 

    LANNYSWERDLOW <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 15 06:58PM -0700  

    When cannabis is totally legal, I would venture to say that a conservative estimate of the number of cannabis consumers in the United States would top 100 million. Just how would you get marijuana to 100 million people, from Manhattan to Death Valley, so that it is EASILY, safely, reliably, locally and "AFFORDABLY" available.
     
    Lanny

     

    Andrew Merkel <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 15 07:20PM -0700  

    Yo I'll see you on Wed hold in there there are better things in the feature. Thanks for all your help it got me started, and I do believe all this useless poop that some of these people air on this "save cannabis" could not work together if they tried.
     
    Get it together folks. Our group in butte co knows how to work together. Thats why we won over our county. You should come up and take notes.
     
    Get your mind right.
     
    Merk
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

    Gjost Ryder <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 14 11:56PM -0700  

    Right Mickey; could not agree more.
     

     

    Jay Bergstrom <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 14 11:14PM -0700  

    BULLSHIT
     
    Mickey is a defender of our mission, not a detractor. Granted he's
    in possession of a big mouth and a bad attitude. The medicalization
    crowd don't wanna hear any of it. And they do have sway, no? bit sway.
     
    Just went for a day trip up to fucking Redding to renew my official
    doctor's note. 100 degrees, windows down. Bullshit. I want
    cannabis cafes in Chico, and I want them yesterday. I don't want no
    stinking note from my doctor. I argued this with M. Peron in
    Amsterdam during the cup of '96. All use is medical? rilly…
     
    A sad note for us Californios is that Coolerado and Choomington are
    poised to take the lead, because of our pythonesque
    factionalization. Didn't they decide at the all-zones meeting to
    atomize us and kill us with a thousand bites?
     
    But snow capped Shasta was a delight to see. And Micky's voice is
    needed in this conversation.
     
    Jay
     
    At 03:05 PM 6/14/2012, CSPARC wrote:

     

    Pebbles Trippet <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 15 01:08AM -0700  

    Dear All — Mickey Martin should not be removed from the DPFCA list
    for any reason —
    * not because he is "driving real activists away"
    * not because he posted off-list comments
    * not because he uses salty language to make his points
    or for any other reason.
     
    If Mickey is not a "real activist", no one is. Where are the criteria
    that make one "real"?
    I don't believe they exist.
     
    Why does Michael Krawitz of Virginia have more influence on the list
    than Mickey Martin of California?
    Michael has one voice, I have one voice, Mickey has one voice, Shona
    has one voice, Mikki, Letitia, David, Chris all have one voice.
    With all due respect, Dale has more than one voice because he has the
    power to exclude other voices without good cause.
     
    Removing Mickey's voice is plain and simple discrimination, fear of
    criticism, and a bent toward authoritarianism,
    none of which we as a vital cannabis community should be subject to.
     
    What's wrong with what he did? I don't even know the facts.
    Why didn't Dale go to the list and ask us in an open forum,
    if this technical violation is worth losing one of our most important
    voices over?
     
    Mickey has earned his stripes many times over for keeping the critical
    edge on the legalization conversation,
    for refusing to be a dumbed-down "Yes" man, for using his considerable
    experience to guide others thru the jungle,
    and for calling things as he sees them…all important elements of a
    living breathing community searching for viable,
    not dead-end, avenues.
     
    2012 is our first full-fledged year out of the narrow confines of the
    prohibition closet
    publicly debating diverse policies and opposing strategies for the
    ballot, the courts and the legislature
    to persuade each other of, in order to secure a future we can live with.
     
    Just because we haven't learned how to get along yet, as Shona
    eloquently puts it,
    doesn't mean we shouldn't listen to each other very carefully,
    thicken our skins, take the slings and arrows rather than shut
    dissidents and newbies up,
    and above all sharpen our critical faculties against any groups of
    people bamboozling us
    into accepting a future we've lost control over and that doesn't serve
    the broader community in the end.
     
    Clearly we don't generally agree that 2312 is the way to go.
    There should be more discussion, not less, while there is still time
    for amendments.
    The Senate is getting ready to debate what the Assembly passed
    where conservative voices will whittle it down further.
    We need to stop fussing with each other and focus on
    the same issues the Senate will be dealing with:
    * mandatory registration
    * narrow exemption for "individual" patients and caregivers, rather
    than collectives.
    * taxation for product at stores, not to be imposed on mom and pop
    small home gardens.
    etc.
     
    There is so much rancor in our ranks, exposing in painful detail
    how we are not of one mind about where our interests lie… from small
    home gardens to dispensing collectives.
    Suppressing the conversation by freezing people out is never a
    desirable way to go.
    Instead, we need to openly value each others' contributions, and
    invite a spectrum of opinion.
     
    I suggest there be a discussion and vote to reinstate Mickey to the
    dpfca list serve,
    with a clear explanation of why off-list publication cut him off and
    why it should,
    as well as the elements of the listserve protocol, so that we may know
    what it is.
     
    I cannot support this form of extreme censorship — cutting off a limb

    especially not grasping the reasons for it. They've not been discussed.
     
    I suggest there be a listserve discussion rather than an order,
    after someone is "warned" and before they are thrown away.
    Don't we have to try to make the punishment fit the crime?
     
    If Mickey is considered the fringe and easily cut off, isn't that like
    how the government treats us,
    the cannabis community as a whole? Do we want to do to others what has
    been done to us?
     
    pebbles
     

     

    Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 15 02:40AM -0700  

    Well stated.
     
    col0rado
    Herald at Arms
    of the Cannabis Nation
     
    marijuanahomepage.com
    #opcannabis
     
     
     

     

 

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 15 03:55PM -0700  

    life is odd isnt it? Never thought Id step up and defend mickeys
    honor. He bashed me hard for months . But this is censorship. Several
    distinct and unaffliated voices want to slow down ab2312 , many
    question our traditional gatekeepers . Why would we supports ramming
    this thru ? I cant as much as I would like to beleive it was well
    intended .balance my concern that my favorite collectives,( vapor room
    hope net divinity tree sanctury) may never re appear on sf map and
    ab2312 wouldnt help and could harm without serious overhaul . I fear
    the comunity based collectives will be eaten alive by big box pot .
    And the cost of patients meds go thru the roof with permit stops at
    every link in the chain. Nor can I digest exposing growers in current
    atmosphere. No way. I cant support leadership that takes someone so
    loyal to asa for so many years like mickey and my guess is he probably
    gave in funds every bit he could. treat him like astepchild for being
    transperant about his level of critical thinking?

     

 

    Sonny Kumar <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 15 07:40AM -0700  

    This initiative's passing may be the only thing saving safe access in the Greater Sacramento Area. Let's all make it happen.
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

    Getatme <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 15 10:37AM -0700  

    Who are the members of the board?
    Nick
     

     

    CSPARC <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 15 11:21AM -0700  

    Hey Nick,
     
    There is no problem with your question. With the ongoing federal pressure some members of our Committee Board do not wish to be publicly identified. We have made a conscious decision to respect their privacy in public forums.
     
    We are looking for donors, not investors. We are a purpose committee with the goal of putting a medical cannabis initiative on the ballot. If you wish to talk more in depth and let us know who you are and what your associations are of list, I am glad to have that discussion and your support.
     
    Be Well,
     
    Mickey Martin
    CSPARC Coordinator
     
     
     

     

    Getatme <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 15 10:56AM -0700  

    A possible investor. I'm sorry is there a problem with my question?
     
    Nick
     

     

    Sabrina Fendrick <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 14 05:40PM -0400  

    FYI: The NORML Women's Alliance has been drawing attention to this
    issue for months:
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pierce-County-Norml(phone#-removed)532
     

     
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    October 3-6, 2012.
     
    For more information about attending, sponsoring, vending or speaking
    please checkout: norml.org/about/conference-2012
     
    Sabrina Fendrick
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    Washington D.C. 20006
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    William West <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 15 09:54AM -0700  

    really did you actually think A.S.A. would help? Not unless they look good
    and have the media to cover it. Joe Elford may drop in a "friends of the
    court" paper and then make claims to of been the one. Like they do in most
    cases. Can't anyone see past their nose? Just read and learn. We hear how
    all these groups are helping us, well that's bullshit and if you still
    think that way, see if they have helped anyone in the past out of
    "kindness" or "For the Cause"? These groups are just taking your donations.
    Like any job, if their not doing what they say, get rid of them. They have
    both a job and responsibility to make good on their claims, enough money
    has been donated to of put the "right lawyer" in place and stop this years
    ago. Then why bite the hand that feeds you?
    *TIME TO WAKE UP SHEEPLE *
     
     
     
     
     

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    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 15 08:20AM -0700  

    Our Moral Compass
    Posted by Mickey Martin on June 15th, 2012
    It seems like not a day goes by that I do not question the direction of this movement and the people who are supposedly leading it. Some of our failures and opportunity costs I can chalk up to simple incompetence or disorganization. It happens….
    But a lot of the shit I see these days is reflective of a person‚Äôs, and organization‚Äôs, or a group of peoples,‚Äô moral compass being WAY out of whack. What amazes me is that I see this happening with people who I know to otherwise be good and honest folks. So I have to ask myself‚Ķ‚ÄĚWhat is driving this madness?‚ÄĚ
    The first culprit is ALWAYS money. Nothing makes a person’s, or group’s, moral compass get all fucked up quicker than a few bucks. Money is an amazing motivator, and a distractor as well. Personally, I do not sweat money. If I need money, I will get it. I just have that confidence in myself. But many do not…many are slave to the almighty dollar and let money dictate their personal and professional morality. It is somewhat disgusting really; but more so it is very sad.
    What must it be like to have to jump when another person says ‚Äújump‚ÄĚ because they own your ass? I do not really get that. I work with dozens of good clients in this industry, and pride myself on generally working with people who share the same moral and professional values I do. That is not to say that I agree with every person I work with on every single issue. Far from it. But I do generally have to feel that a person, or organization‚Äôs, objectives must reflect a common decency and understanding for the political and social environment that is cannabis and our society. I am not going to work with a person who believes that some people should go to jail for weed, while others should not, no matter how much money they have. It just goes against every bone in my body, and I could not live with myself‚Ķeven if it was in a fucking mansion.
    So if you like money so much that you would be willing to put another human in prison for growing or selling weed, or set up the industry so that people who were not ‚Äúchosen‚ÄĚ would still be considered criminals and outlaws, then you have a fucked up moral compass. Not to mention you are pathetic. Money is everywhere. I am sure I could make more cash in other industries, but I LOVE WEED. I love people who love weed. I love people who love to grow weed. I love people who love to sell weed. I love the idea of a free weed market, where innovators and those who produced the best cannabis for the best value would be successful. I am not for the ‚ÄúYou can sell weed, but you cannot‚ÄĚ limitations that some advocate for in this movement. I am for cannabis freedom‚Ķ.period. Keep your money if your goals are anything different. I am not for sale.
    Then there is power and/or recognition. Some cats in this movement and industry have let their head explode to ginormous proportion. They have become the President of this or the Director of that, and all of the sudden they feel the need to hang on to this power with everything they have. They are willing to sell a friend down the river to maintain their control and  recognition. I have seen it happen too many times for my comfort. People get caught up in the bright lights of it all and begin to shed their moral compass for a chance to maintain their power status. It is generally stupid, because the real power is derived from morality and virtue. People do not respect a person that they know is missing their moral compass.
    A big part of power is trust and respect. If people trust and respect you, they are also willing to recognize your position. If they question your ability to guide yourself and others in a direction that is reflective of high morals and standards, your power is diminished anyways. But many mistake limited power for respect and trust. A person who operates a business has power over his employees. He has the ability to hire and fire and pay or not pay these people. He controls their schedule and pay rate. But we all know that this power is limited and that if it is not combined with respect and trust, generally your staff is far less productive, and maybe even stealing from you. So you can see how power is only truly powerful when it is reflective of a person’s good moral compass.
    Then there is¬†desperation.¬†Nothing will fuck up a person, or group‚Äôs moral compass quicker than being¬†desperate. When people get to a point of¬†desperation¬†they lose sight of the bigger picture. They lose confidence and can begin to¬†compromise¬†their morals, ethics, beliefs and realities to remedy the situation they are¬†desperate¬†about. The fear of losing money and power can most certainly cause severe¬†desperation. I have heard it too many times‚Ķ‚ÄĚBut Mickey, I was going to go bankrupt.‚ÄĚ Or ‚ÄúI had to do it for my kids.‚ÄĚ Whatever your justification is for being a¬†desperate¬†loser who is willing to¬†compromise¬†their moral compass to avoid dealing with a tough situation, I hope you can sleep at night.
    Nothing is more pathetic to me than a person who believes that they can justify acting immorally because a¬†desperate¬†situation calls for it. Sure‚Ķmaybe that¬†movie with Denzel where the kid needed a heart transplant¬†and he held the¬†hospital¬†hostage to get his kid care. But even that is pretty extreme. Getting a landlord letter from the Feds is not the same as your kid needing a heart transplant and you not having medical coverage. And even that was a movie‚Ķso. But it seems that the panic and chaos that we see now driving the actions and directions of our movement are simply¬†reactions¬†to a perceived¬†desperate¬†times. I understand that there is a heavy effort being made to ‚Äúcrack down‚ÄĚ on the medical cannabis industry, especially here in Cali. But again, I will point out to you that the overwhelming reason is because the authorities believe the industry is heavily abused by people who are not really medical patients. You can keep telling me
    how everyone and everything is medical and maybe I agree with you. But I am not doing the crackdown that has you so desperate right now. You do not have to convince me. I will also point out that there are at least twice as many dispensaries in CA than when I was raided in 2007, even after the crackdown. Shit..there might be more in San Jose alone.
    But the reality is that losing our moral compass to try and make the pain go away does not help anyone; nor does it create more respect or trust for our movement/industry. We are better than this. We can be on the cusp of something great. Never in my lifetime have I seen such a widespread discussion about ending cannabis prohibition. Never before has our issue been such a front burner issue, and never before has the discussion so frankly centered on the need to quit taking people to jail for weed.
    But we need leaders and allies that have true moral compasses to guide us to cannabis freedom. We need leaders, activists, and  supporters focused on the good and the righteous. Our voice cannot continue to be driven by the desire for money, or power, or as a reaction to a desperate situation. It is our time to rise up and meet this battle head on. Backpedalling to serve limited financial and power-based interests is not an option….we must stand and fight for what is right.
    I refuse to be distracted and mislead by those whose moral compasses continue to be askew. I would rather go at it alone than be tied to a project or message that I know in my heart is immoral or simply not the right thing to do. I would hope that the people who have the money, power, and desperation issues take a long hard look at their moral compass. Take it out and give it a good once over. You know in your heart if your actions and efforts are based in morality; or if they are based in greed, deception, and desperation.
    Just remember…there’s still time to change the road you’re on…..
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..s@a2c2.us
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/micKEYmarTIN
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***

     

June 14, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 25 Messages in 8 Topics

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 12 09:49PM -0700  

    please . Please …. Letitia stop attacking chris conrad . Here the
    deal and forgive me often email tone can seem harsh ? i say this as
    person who cares. I dont think chris feels that commericalization is
    the only route . But when we are doing MEDICAL CANNABIS BUSINESS? Then
    taxes are simply a part of the eqaution. When and what i beleive your
    talking about? Is direct garden giving . Which isnt taxed . I know
    chris has nothing against this nor does he not undertsand thousands of
    years of this tradition. But heres where you might expand .there have
    also been commerce and trade routes for thousands of yrs . And there
    nothing absolutley nothing wrong with this. Im all for commerical
    cannabis commerce thats taxed with protections for the growers and
    distbutors. I think we need to support both routes and look at equity
    and make sure folks who love and enjoy cannabis have choices in safe
    access and have qaulity meds no matter ablity to pay and those that
    can afford should off set folks like me who cannot afford.
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

 

 

    Tim Perkins <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 13 07:46AM -0700  

    Hi folks, Sorry, I had all these arguments with leadership back in 1992
    and '93, 20 years ago. They didn't listen then how bad the medical model
    would be but, here we are. and just look at yourselves. If this is
    progress, I'm not from this planet. Please remove me from this thread as
    it is just his-story repeating itself and I have no desire to involve
    myself in childish behavior or fascism. The myopic tunnel-vision is
    beyond my ability to consider sane.
     
     

     

    "Dr. David Bearman" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 13 10:48AM -0400  

    OK. You are not from this planet. We have made tremendous progress so I;m not sure how much weight your opinion on this carries,
    David Bearman,M.D.

     

    Tim Perkins <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 13 08:08AM -0700  

    Dale Gieringer said recently if you told him back in the nineties that
    cannabis would still be illegal now, he wouldn't have believed it. Well
    the fact is, with regards to medical, I did. Repeatedly. In fact I said
    if you go down the medical road you will delay cannabis freedom for decades.
     
    Welcome to the reality of my 20 year old opinion.
     
    On 6/13/2012 7:48 AM, Dr. David Bearman wrote:

     

    "andrew garret" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 13 08:51AM -0700  

    Hey, I‚Äôve got an idea,—- instead of attacking each other, can one of you
    out there WALK INTO ONE OF YOUR LOCAL PUBLIC libraries and make me a copy
    of the following article about the Eureka Axe Murderer.
     
    SAN FRANCISCO EXAMINER
    Nov 7, 1933 pg 4 ] “Slashed Budgets Halt narcotic enforcement Officers’
    Drive on Evil‚ÄĚ Dope Officials Helpless to Curb Marihuana Use.
     
    Many libraries have micro-film copies of the SF Examiner. And I can
    really use the article, — people keep asking me for an actual copy and I
    don't have one.
     
    Antique Andy
    Living in Oklahoma
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 13 08:57PM -0700  

    who did you have these convos with? I think there is a need to get out
    of the tunnel. And craft many models running parrell. There might be
    some childish dialouge? but i really respect dave hodges for bringing
    us all together. There are plenty of folks I am eager to meet in
    person and hopefuly collabrate with in the future!
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    Dennis Hinze <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 13 09:23PM -0700  

    Save Cannabis Group ~ RCP on El Camino in Sacramento is alive an well as of today, Wednesday, June 13
     
     
    SWALLOW AIR TO INCREASE BUOYANCY
       visit: www.survivalworkshop.com
     
     

     

    Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 12 05:59PM -0700  

    Chris Conrad Said:
     
    " Most of the people I talk to like the idea of going to a local shop to
    > buy it over the county and pay taxes like they do for their beer or wine."
     
     
    Yes, that's right Chris; because most of the people you talk to are Pro-Reg
    Pro-Tax Narco Warriors that want to limit Free Market; Competition and Tax
    and Regulate the "high" out of it! You should consider the people you hang
    out with; and get some new friends.
     
     
    Jack Herer said:
     
    "… not a fucking dollar!"
     
     
     
     
     
    On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Chris Conrad <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
     
     

    col0rado
    Herald at Arms
    of the Cannabis Nation
     
    marijuanahomepage.com
    #opcannabis

     

 

 

    lavonne victor <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 13 11:28AM -0700  

    Chris and others ..
     
    I am a grower and have been for 12 years now.. and we do not make a dime from the cannabis at all.. we how ever do get reinbursement from our small group of 12 to 15 members whom join with us in unity.. wheather or not they parcipate or not.. we are not dealers, nor narcs.. we are patients whom receive safe access and don't pay a dime for our cannabis… at all… geesh… i am blessed to not have to pay the high prices that is asked from these certain store fronts.. not all but mostly and i am blessed to not depend upon those store fronts …. and i am blessed to be able to provide for myself that works for me in every aspects..
    For i can make my own eatables, my own meals with cannabis… ect ect.. and i can be able to teach others on site how to provide for themselves and help others whom wish to do the same on their property on a small enity of associations of patients whom join together…
     
    Its not about monies.. even though it would be nice.. but its more about the welfare of the patients to obtain what is necessary to fill the needs for their illness.. and educate them in order to do so .. in compliance with the laws put forth… we are patients of cannabis…
     
    We grow organicly outdoor and we have been a private enity for many years,, and we have faced the court system twice behind this issue.. we are seniors that grow together in unity….
     
    We need to keep the compassionate use act alive.. not tear it apart due to the greed that many have for this plant.. i agree no one should go to jail for a plant but i also agree that no one should make a profit off of those whom are ill or terminally ill and should not be told or forced to go indoor or in a greenhoulse… due to financial means that many disabled citizens face.. it is wrong of our counties to force this issue as well as try to ban it out of existance.. like San Bernardino county… and other counties whom are tyring to make up their own laws instead of following the laws already in place…
     
    Just because now i am home bound due to being a full care giver of my mother in law of 85 whom also utalizes cananbis, and my issues as well as my husbands issues do not mean we do not have a voice on this issue or other issues concerning this plant..
     
    We have a right as well to defend our rights to continue what we do.. and for you and others to call people like us,, drug cartesl, dealers or ect.. is not true and appalling to say the leat .. we are not the black market…. for the way i see it.. the black market and the drug cartels are comming out in the open and using the laws to open up store fronts and sell the cannabis at high prices more so than what i used to see out on the streets.. so … just because most of you are in the business and run a store front do not mean your better than those whom have an association of patients whom join together to provide safe acess at a very low price…
     
    So stick that in your hat… and smoke it..
    Lavonne Victor

     
    ________________________________
    From: Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us>
    David Jack <s..s@a2c2.us>
    Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:59 PM

     
     
     
    Chris Conrad Said:
     
     " Most of the people I talk to like the idea of going to a local shop to buy it over the county and pay taxes like they do for their beer or wine."
     
    Yes, that's right Chris; because most of the people you talk to are Pro-Reg Pro-Tax Narco Warriors that want to limit Free Market; Competition and Tax and Regulate the "high" out of it! You should consider the people you hang out with; and get some new friends.
     
     
    Jack Herer said:
     
    "… not a fucking dollar!" ¬†
     
     
     
     
     
    On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Chris Conrad <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
     
    It's a matter of whether you sell it as a business or not. 
    >>>

June 8, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 25 Messages in 15 Topics

    "Dr. David Bearman" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 06 10:12AM -0400  

    How can you argue with someone who lives in analternative universe. Even if you disagree with the most recent legislative effort of ASA you cannot ignor their years of productive efforts for reform ASA is out front and effective. hey but if you think you can do better start your own organization. Right now all this gratuitous carping is akin to forming a circular firing squad.
     
    We do not have the luxury of having signifigant internal disputes. As has been pointed out we are up against the big money anti hemp interests( that means the petro chemical industry,big oil ,the munitions industry). Medicinal and social cannabis use is just ancillary damage in the so far successful efforts to marginalize the hemp inustry in the United States.Now if you could figure out how to get the support of agribusiness for reform you might have something.
     
    If you want to turn your excess energy to something useful you might try getting behind the candidacy of Johnson/Gray.Last night Gov. Johnson , Libertarian candidate for president,was on the Jon Stewart show and as I have said attacked Romney from the right and Obama from the left. If you persist in throwing mud within the reform movement my assumption can only be that you are a dupe of the neo prohibitionists. Save your vitriol for them.
     
    If you want to get involved in the Johnson Gray campaign we are having a fund raising event in Santa Barbara on July 7. Thanks to those who have already responded that you wish to help with this event.Please let me know if any others will be attending or wish to assist in the organizing of this event.
    David Bearman,M.D.
     
     

     

 

 

    Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 05 09:48PM -0700  

    Not so fast Kris Hermes; this list of whitewall is a todo list of
    accomplishments for dispensaries and collectives; and has little to do with
    patients. ASA is not a patient advocacy group.
     
    On Tuesday, June 5, 2012, Kris Hermes wrote:
     

     

    Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 06 02:57PM -0700  

    Yes, thank you Donna Lambert; you are a consistant beacon of truth; holding
    Narco Warriors accountable for their lies and monumental
    misrepresentations; and also Rodolfo Reyes for shedding even more light on
    their unfair tactics.
     
    Together; Cannabis Warriors have the Narco Warriors on the run; they cannot
    hide from their malicious lies any longer; expose the hypocrisy and their
    agenda to limit competition.
     
    TRUE ACCESS Analysis: If any of these allegations were untrue; ASA would
    mass in force to slam the accuser, would they not? Keep up the pressure;
    continue to disregard failed leadership.
     
    col0rado
    marijuanahomepage.com
     
     
     
     
    On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Rodolfo rudy Reyes

     

 

    Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 06 03:16PM -0700  

    Dr. David Bearman; with all due respect; you don't get it. Sir the point
    is; ASA is not our friend; and yes that is exactly what i would like you to
    do … "ignore" their years of misrepresentation and lies; pay attention to
    the issues they support and disregard their failed leadership.
     
    Dr Bearman; you are missing the point that we have more regulation and weed
    is still classified as a dangerous drug; why … because ASA has been
    working for restrictive regulation to limit competition under the guise of
    advocating for patients. lies!
     
    neo prohibitionists?? I dont' even know what that means … i had to look
    it up on internet; and when i did i realized i was looking at the EXACT
    DEFINITION OF AMERICANS FOR SAFE ACCESS except weed instead of booze.
     
    Wiki said:
     
    *Neo-prohibitionism* (also spelled *neoprohibitionism* and *
    > policies which further restrict the sale and possession of alcohol in order
    > to reduce average per capita <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_capita> consumption
    > and change social norms to reduce its acceptability.
     
     
    Sir; if you cannot identify the "dupe" in the grand scheme; i respectfully
    submit that dupe is you. If you truly support free weed; then make a
    statement worth repeating; and personally confront ASA on their failed
    leadership.
     
    You and I can not count on ASA to deliver our message to the American
    citizen. We can not count on ASA to speak for the
    cannabis free-market community; because ASA's message is false and
    self-serving; and does nothing to free the weed or keep patients out of
    jail; Daisy Bram.
     
    P.S. Doc, PLEASE STOP ASA FROM TAKING PEOPLE TO JAIL FOR WEED
     
    col0rado
     
    marijuanahomepage.com
    #summerofbud
     
     
    On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Dr. David Bearman <s..s@a2c2.us>wrote:
     

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 06 11:44PM -0700  

    Guys creating self serving policy but involved in criminal actvity
    that could include murder? Dont just wave that gun around so
    recklessly on a public forum . If thats true take it seriously and do
    what you need to do to protect yourself and others but each time you
    wave that gun around and dont complete your threats ? I take it less
    seriously and it helps ASA project that your just off your rocker. And
    the sad thing is ? Im sure your still in shock from your daughters
    death and some may also read and think your misdirecting some of your
    anger ? Please protect yrself and perhaps sit down with your legal
    team and get some input on what you should post . My advice? Separate
    policy concerns from allegded criminal actvivty . Violent criminal
    behavoiur is for your legal to track and take action on to protect
    you.
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 06 11:33PM -0700  

    Interesting I didnt know it was norml that worked it out in Sd . One
    of the purposed items I had on my list when james anthony was helping
    me craft a rules of engagement when I was invited to a working group
    with vareity policy heads was putting credit where its due . Sharing
    it equaly on joint projects basicaly not attempting to be the one and
    only voice in media and goverment relations . Simple fact were not
    monolithic movement. And were stronger on a civil rights level if we
    have multi heads that are regenerative . I hate and shutter to think
    if what donna stating that now three women are being threatend or even
    "feel" seriously intimidated by anyone thats seen to represent us all.
    You all must be peaceful with eachother. I dont like reading I
    reporting you to authorties. I would hope we could self regulate . But
    honestly donna youve been threatening to report don duncan and egeune
    davidovich for abit now …it does get abit like ok enough already by
    all means if you have the proof that these are not only
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 06 09:14PM -0700  

    with all due respect I did start my own organization thats focus is
    actually on patients rights. Locally . This bill could create an
    unfair federaly dangerous playing feild for growers as well. Can you
    reveiw from neutral perspective? And focusing all our efforts on a
    third party canodate in conservative california is realy missing the
    target for safe access. Patients and growers need protection now. And
    I always vote and support indi canidates but i certainly am not
    focused on that currently .
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 07 01:31AM -0700  

    REuters/dan whitcomb "feds attack california medical mj trade- again"
    "Miltary veterans say pot eases PTSD" USA
    TODAY Tacoma
    Medical Cannabis Taskforce report-exit 133
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 07 08:32PM -0700  

    GReat work Dege! Im so so glad that PAN gets that gentle or not ? No
    ban is in the interest of patients . Bans are puntive to safe access
    ofcourse this SHOULD? Go without saying but a few medical mj orgs? Or
    business assoc are surrending ? Perhaps in self preservation? Or self
    interest ? And supporting a -gentle ban? How gentle is a patient with
    wasting or cancer losing their collective? Even if its not your mj
    business. Cannabis is a social medicine someones contact w their
    comunity isnt being considered . Why would we surrender to ok just us?
    Not them? Everyones door should stay open . Unless ofcourse they have
    given federal testimony to be able to stay in business. Or their is
    some very problematic operator? I dont get it . But hats of to Dege
    for organize action to protect patients rights!
     
     
    Greetings LA Patient Advocates –
     
    PAN is inundated with calls and emails about LA's ban. See the attached
    link for details to patients questions about this Friday's hearing and
    beyond.
     
    http://panorg.blogspot.com/2012/06/patients-want-to-stop-ban-on-las.html
     
     
    Sincerely,
     
    Degé Coutee
    Executive & Program Director
    Patient Advocacy Network
     
    @PAN4Compassion
    www.CannabisSavesLives.org
    (323) 334-5282
     
    PAN is a charitable 501(c)(3) organization
     
     
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 06 08:47PM -0700  

    and DEA has made more inquirys of sf coops to dph .
     
    Raids in Santa Fe Springs
     
    Marijuana Crackdown on 36 L.A. County Pot Shops by Feds
     
    By Dennis Romero
     
    Wed., Jun. 6 2012 at 12:12 PM
     
    http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2012/06/marijuana_crackdown_los_angeles_pot_shops.php
     
    Federal authorities today announced a crackdown on 36 medical marijuana
    dispensaries in Los Angeles County, including raids on two shops in Santa
    Fe Springs and warning letters to 34 businesses and property owners.
     
    Interestingly, the actions did not involve any pot shops in the city of Los
    Angeles.
     
    Rather, feds sought to shut out all of the known cannabis collectives in
    the following cities and communities:
     
    Santa Fe Springs, Whittier, South El Monte, La Mirada, Diamond Bar,
    Artesia, Paramount, South Gate, City of Commerce, Agoura Hills and Malibu.
     
    Search-warrant-enabled raids were conducted this morning at Tri-City
    Patient's Association and the Canna-America Collective (a.k.a. Organic Way
    Collective) on Rosecrans Avenue in Santa Fe Springs, according to a
    statement from the U.S. Attorney's Office in L.A.
     
    Those two shops were also hit with federal civil asset forfeiture lawsuits.
    In other words, Uncle Sam is taking their weed.
     
    A store on Telegraph road was told to shut down by the city as well, the
    feds noted.
     
    The 34 that received warning letters will have to abandon ship, according
    to the office:
     
    The warning letters give the operators and landlords 14 days to come
    into compliance with federal law or risk potential civil or criminal
    actions.
     
    In case you're wondering, yes, this is part of that federal crackdown on
    pot shops in California that has so far seen 220 dispensaries targeted in
    the U.S. Attorney's Central District of the state alone.
     
    The U.S. Attorney's Office says " … the majority of those stores are now
    closed … "
     
    [@dennisjromero / s..s@a2c2.us / @LAWeeklyNews]
     
    http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2012/06/marijuana_crackdown_los_angeles_pot_shops.php
     
    *********
     
    Degé Coutee
    Executive & Program Director
    Patient Advocacy Network
     
    @PAN4Compassion
    www.CannabisSavesLives.org
    (323) 334-5282
     
    PAN is a charitable 501(c)(3) organization
     
     
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 06 01:37AM -0700  

    Thank you Shona; you make a good point; more crimes; as you say mandatory
    registration won't go over well with cultivators; kinda like sending the
    DEA your grow room address;
     
    On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur <

     

    Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 06 12:41AM -0700  

    Yes, that's right collectives have legitimacy and rights!
     
    On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Michael Levinsohn

     

 

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 05 11:00PM -0700  

    hey kris? Instead of having a flash war? Why not just answer the
    concerns I raised . Yes we can and should debate implementation within
    the entire comunity and try and meet these concerns with solid
    solutions that create win/win for all and then we walk into the state
    senate rules comittee shoulder to shoulder to able to encounter the
    "true enemys" with authenic unity . Giving us a list of past victorys
    isnt helping create a positive direction for everyone future .. When
    it doesnt answer even the most basic univerisal concern of all
    patients how much more will my medicine cost due to these permits of
    every stop in the chain of distrubtion requiring fees and hearings?
    And the second most basic what protections will be offered for
    mandatory register of growers? And becuase most growers wont take this
    risk ? We create more instead of arrests .."new crimes" very simply
    without an organizational attack or glory how is ASA who braught this
    forward? be a part of solutions ? Walk the walk . Practice unity

     

 

 

    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 06 09:04AM -0700  

    Furthermore….The current crackdown on medical marijuana has ZERO to do with whether or no marijuana is a medicine. In fact, during the "crackdown press conference" all four US attorneys agreed that there are medical uses for cannabis but stated the crackdown was based on the abuses in the system and the money being made. Here is an excerpt:
     
    Laura Duffy, the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of California told KPCC's Patt Morrison Friday that, overall, the effort aims to shut down retail pot dispensaries. "These are businesses that are, in large part, visited by healthy young people who have gone out and paid for doctor recommendations to obtain marijuana. These are a lot of youth and recreational drug users," she said.
    Duffy said the crackdown isn't aimed at people who have a legitimate need for medical marijuana. Her sentiment has been echoed by¬†Birotte.¬†He says all for-profit, commercial marijuana operations are illegal, no matter where the dispensary is located. ‚ÄúWhile California law permits collective cultivation of marijuana in limited circumstances, it does not allow commercial distribution through the storefront model we see across California,‚ÄĚ he said.
    So what we are seeing is an effort to LIMIT the industry, or EXPAND PROHIBITION. Instead of us defending the honor and integrity of the cannabis user who may be fudging the seriousness of an illness to avoid jail for growing some weed, and condemning the bad laws that make it desirable for people to lie to a doctor, we agree with the Drug Warriors and decide to help them limit, regulate, and control what they consider to be out of control marijuana use and sales. IT IS NUTS!
     
    We are essentially saying, "The US Attorneys are right. We must do something to control this chaotic industry." Why? Why is that our message. Why are we not saying "Quit taking people to jail for weed?"
     
     
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..s@a2c2.us
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/micKEYmarTIN
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***
     
     
    ________________________________
    From: Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us>
    Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 8:50 AM

     
    Hey Matt,
     
    Interesting logic, but I will simply disagree. The "do your own thing" philosophy is simply not working.
     
    The fact is that about 13% of the population uses weed. About 1-2% are qualified medical users. So it is clear to see that the amount of time and energy this "movement" spends on medicalization is far more that the maybe 15% of the cannabis population being represented. 
     
    My point is not that medical cannabis is not a part of the equation, but that we act as if it is the ONLY equation an awful lot because it is the only area where we have had even a small victory thus far. So we continue to double down and continue to work to convince people that everything happening in this industry is strictly medical, which frankly is bullshit.
     
    The straw man angle that you take regarding how focusing on cannabis reform is only a part of the bigger picture of ending the war on drugs is disappointing. First of all, this is the cannabis reform movement. National Organization for the Reform of MARIJUANA Laws and MARIJUANA Policy Project are two of the largest reform groups. But the BIGGEST issue is that MARIJUANA ARRESTS MAKE UP OVER HALF OF ALL ARRESTS FOR DRUGS. (From the FBI: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/persons-arrested). 
     
    So while using all of our time, energy and resources fighting for a very small segment of cannabis users is better than "doing nothing," it is an opportunity cost in that it does not even touch the core of the problem. Whereas ending marijuana prohibition would put an end to over half of the arrests in the drug war, a far more substancial piece of the pie. As we press for more regulations and more strict medial only access, we are actually expanding prohibition and making it so less people, not more, can use cannabis legally. By segregating our goals to only accommodate a small portion of the population we serve, we miss out on the opportunity to address the bigger picture.
     
    Just let me know when the last conference was that spent a majority of the time addressing strategies to end overall prohibition, and not just to work on expanding medicalization. I must have missed that. Drug Policy Alliance and LEAP are the only two organizations I see pushing that message at all, and even they are playing the medical card more times than not. 
     
    If it makes you feel good that this movement spends more time than not defending a very small portion of the cannabis population, then that is your decision to make. But here is a report showing that marijuana arrests on California are SKYROCKETING. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/12/california-marijuana-arrests-skyrocketing_n_1090276.html
     
    What does that tell you? That the very small fight we continue to throw all of our resources at is doing very little to stop the overall goal of "Quit Taking People To Jail for Weed." Now ask yourself, if we achieved the goal of Quit Taking People To Jail For Weed, would medical patients be better off? I think the answer is an absolute yes. More cannabis for lower prices. If this movement were for TRUE PATIENT ACCESS then legalization is a NO BRAINER. 
     
    I will agree with Dr. Lester Grinspoon in his assertion that until all cannabis is legal patients will never truly be safe. The same is not true if you look at it from the other side of the coin. If medical cannabis is legal, everyone else is obviously not safe. So what are we really trying to accomplish here?
     
     
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..s@a2c2.us
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/micKEYmarTIN
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***
     
     
    ________________________________
    From: Matt Elrod <s..s@a2c2.us>
    Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 12:31 AM

    > FTW True Access; Cannabis Warrior!
     
    >> http://cannabiswarrior.com/2012/06/05/opportunity-cost/
     
    >> OPPORTUNITY COST
     
    [snip]
     
    >> opportunity cost. While we are using our resources, time, and energy to
    >> fight for limited rights, or for one particular group's needs, we are
    >> losing the opportunity to fight for what we really want.
     
    This is like saying that effort spent on cannabis law reform detracts
    from the broader goal of ending the war on drugs. While there is a shred of truth to it, on balance, drug law reform has many
    goals
    and many fronts on which we can fight.  We fight best when we are
    the most passionate about advancing, and skilled in, whatever goal
    we seek in whatever manner we choose to do it.
     
    If, for example, you believe that cannabis should be legal on
    libertarian grounds, and it is those arguments that you find the
    most compelling, and those arguments with which you are the most
    comfortable and familiar, then have at it.  You might convert
    like-minded people
     
    If, on the other hand, you are into economics, or a member of LEAP,
    or a veteran with PTSD, or a parent, or a teacher, or a patient, or a doctor, or whatever, then your stake and expertise will be different, and you would be doing us all a great service by concentrating on
    what you do best.
     
    In my case, having surveyed the battlefield, I concluded my talents
    would be best employed in logistics and IT, rather than, for example,
    organizing
    rallies, crafting legislation or engaging in flame wars.
    Is that an opportunity cost or a wise and targeted application of
    human resources?
     
    Canada legalized industrial hemp in the late 1990s.  Surely no one
    would argue that the "particular group" who benefited from this reform
    should not have.  Now Americans can point to Canada as a society
    with legal hemp that hasn't collapsed. Same story with medicinal cannabis regimes.
     
    It *is* debatable whether or not such reforms are incremental progress toward the goal of convincing society to "quit taking people to jail
    for weed," (if that is your goal), or if instead our merely reducing
    the number of people who go to jail in the meantime postpones the
    glorious day when no one goes to jail.
     
    There are several arguments on both sides of the perpetual incrementalist vs absolutist debate within the cannabis law
    reform community, opportunity cost being just one
    of the arguments
    on the absolutist side.
     
    Public opinion polls tell us that society is increasingly of the
    opinion that cannabis should be legally regulated in a manner similar
    to alcohol and tobacco, which would see anyone willing to follow
    the rules spared from jail, and those who do not follow the rules
    facing some sanction, civil, criminal or both.
     
    Hemp and medicinal cannabis law reform, lowest enforcement priority
    initiatives and decriminalization have arguably, on balance, positively
    changed public attitudes toward broader cannabis law reform. I would
    be happy to elaborate with citations and specific examples if anyone
    is moved to contest this contention.
     
    OTOH, I am sympathetic to the argument that Dutch coffee shops, for
    example, have stalled progress in the Netherlands by ameliorating
    many of the problems of cannabis prohibition, thereby making
    prohibition more sustainable and making
    further reforms less imperative. This same argument can be made with respect to hemp
    and medicinal cannabis law reform, and decriminalization, insofar
    as we are playing our strongest cards first, leaving ourselves
    with a weaker hand.
     
    The same could be said with respect to cannabis law reform being
    detrimental to the broader goal of ending the war on drugs, however,
    I would consider it a waste of time and energy, an opportunity
    cost, not to mention divisive, to be forever criticizing cannabis
    law reformers, or medicinal cannabis law reformers, or industrial
    hemp law reformers for doing whatever they are moved to do.  It
    beats doing nothing or defending prohibition.
     
    Matt
     
    http://drugsense.org/me/

     

    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 06 08:50AM -0700  

    Hey Matt,
     
    Interesting logic, but I will simply disagree. The "do your own thing" philosophy is simply not working.
     
    The fact is that about 13% of the population uses weed. About 1-2% are qualified medical users. So it is clear to see that the amount of time and energy this "movement" spends on medicalization is far more that the maybe 15% of the cannabis population being represented. 
     
    My point is not that medical cannabis is not a part of the equation, but that we act as if it is the ONLY equation an awful lot because it is the only area where we have had even a small victory thus far. So we continue to double down and continue to work to convince people that everything happening in this industry is strictly medical, which frankly is bullshit.
     
    The straw man angle that you take regarding how focusing on cannabis reform is only a part of the bigger picture of ending the war on drugs is disappointing. First of all, this is the cannabis reform movement. National Organization for the Reform of MARIJUANA Laws and MARIJUANA Policy Project are two of the largest reform groups. But the BIGGEST issue is that MARIJUANA ARRESTS MAKE UP OVER HALF OF ALL ARRESTS FOR DRUGS. (From the FBI: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/persons-arrested). 
     
    So while using all of our time, energy and resources fighting for a very small segment of cannabis users is better than "doing nothing," it is an opportunity cost in that it does not even touch the core of the problem. Whereas ending marijuana prohibition would put an end to over half of the arrests in the drug war, a far more substancial piece of the pie. As we press for more regulations and more strict medial only access, we are actually expanding prohibition and making it so less people, not more, can use cannabis legally. By segregating our goals to only accommodate a small portion of the population we serve, we miss out on the opportunity to address the bigger picture.
     
    Just let me know when the last conference was that spent a majority of the time addressing strategies to end overall prohibition, and not just to work on expanding medicalization. I must have missed that. Drug Policy Alliance and LEAP are the only two organizations I see pushing that message at all, and even they are playing the medical card more times than not. 
     
    If it makes you feel good that this movement spends more time than not defending a very small portion of the cannabis population, then that is your decision to make. But here is a report showing that marijuana arrests on California are SKYROCKETING. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/12/california-marijuana-arrests-skyrocketing_n_1090276.html
     
    What does that tell you? That the very small fight we continue to throw all of our resources at is doing very little to stop the overall goal of "Quit Taking People To Jail for Weed." Now ask yourself, if we achieved the goal of Quit Taking People To Jail For Weed, would medical patients be better off? I think the answer is an absolute yes. More cannabis for lower prices. If this movement were for TRUE PATIENT ACCESS then legalization is a NO BRAINER. 
     
    I will agree with Dr. Lester Grinspoon in his assertion that until all cannabis is legal patients will never truly be safe. The same is not true if you look at it from the other side of the coin. If medical cannabis is legal, everyone else is obviously not safe. So what are we really trying to accomplish here?
     
     
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..s@a2c2.us
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/micKEYmarTIN
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***
     
     
    ________________________________
    From: Matt Elrod <s..s@a2c2.us>
    Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 12:31 AM

    > FTW True Access; Cannabis Warrior!
     
    >> http://cannabiswarrior.com/2012/06/05/opportunity-cost/
     
    >> OPPORTUNITY COST
     
    [snip]
     
    >> opportunity cost. While we are using our resources, time, and energy to
    >> fight for limited rights, or for one particular group's needs, we are
    >> losing the opportunity to fight for what we really want.
     
    This is like saying that effort spent on cannabis law reform detracts
    from the broader goal of ending the war on drugs. While there is a shred of truth to it, on balance, drug law reform has many goals
    and many fronts on which we can fight.  We fight best when we are
    the most passionate about advancing, and skilled in, whatever goal
    we seek in whatever manner we choose to do it.
     
    If, for example, you believe that cannabis should be legal on
    libertarian grounds, and it is those arguments that you find the
    most compelling, and those arguments with which you are the most
    comfortable and familiar, then have at it.  You might convert
    like-minded people
     
    If, on the other hand, you are into economics, or a member of LEAP,
    or a veteran with PTSD, or a parent, or a teacher, or a patient, or a doctor, or whatever, then your stake and expertise will be different, and you would be doing us all a great service by concentrating on
    what you do best.
     
    In my case, having surveyed the battlefield, I concluded my talents
    would be best employed in logistics and IT, rather than, for example,
    organizing rallies, crafting legislation or engaging in flame wars.
    Is that an opportunity cost or a wise and targeted application of
    human resources?
     
    Canada legalized industrial hemp in the late 1990s.  Surely no one
    would argue that the "particular group" who benefited from this reform
    should not have.  Now Americans can point to Canada as a society
    with legal hemp that hasn't collapsed. Same story with medicinal cannabis regimes.
     
    It *is* debatable whether or not such reforms are incremental progress toward the goal of convincing society to "quit taking people to jail
    for weed," (if that is your goal), or if instead our merely reducing
    the number of people who go to jail in the meantime postpones the
    glorious day when no one goes to jail.
     
    There are several arguments on both sides of the perpetual incrementalist vs absolutist debate within the cannabis law
    reform community, opportunity cost being just one of the arguments
    on the absolutist side.
     
    Public opinion polls tell us that society is increasingly of the
    opinion that cannabis should be legally regulated in a manner similar
    to alcohol and tobacco, which would see anyone willing to follow
    the rules spared from jail, and those who do not follow the rules
    facing some sanction, civil, criminal or both.
     
    Hemp and medicinal cannabis law reform, lowest enforcement priority
    initiatives and decriminalization have arguably, on balance, positively
    changed public attitudes toward broader cannabis law reform. I would
    be happy to elaborate with citations and specific examples if anyone
    is moved to contest this contention.
     
    OTOH, I am sympathetic to the argument that Dutch coffee shops, for
    example, have stalled progress in the Netherlands by ameliorating
    many of the problems of cannabis prohibition, thereby making
    prohibition more sustainable and making further reforms less imperative. This same argument can be made with respect to hemp
    and medicinal cannabis law reform, and decriminalization, insofar
    as we are playing our strongest cards first, leaving ourselves
    with a weaker hand.
     
    The same could be said with respect to cannabis law reform being
    detrimental to the broader goal of ending the war on drugs, however,
    I would consider it a waste of time and energy, an opportunity
    cost, not to mention divisive, to be forever criticizing cannabis
    law reformers, or medicinal cannabis law reformers, or industrial
    hemp law reformers for doing whatever they are moved to do.  It
    beats doing nothing or defending prohibition.
     
    Matt
     
    http://drugsense.org/me/

     

    Chris Conrad <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 06 02:14PM -0700  

    It's a matter of whether you sell it as a business or not.
     
    It seems odd to me that certain people seem to be against pot becoming
    commercially regulated, considering that a lot of people seem to be making
    money on it like it is and opposing change.
     
    Kind of like the dealers are in the same league as the big corporations,
    against any rules that might reduce their immediate profits. When did the
    growers become "the man" fighting to keep everyone else under their thumb?
     
    Tokers, on the other hand, just want to be able to grow a little, share a
    little, and buy some whenever they want without risk of arrest. Most of the
    people I talk to like the idea of going to a local shop to buy it over the
    county and pay taxes like they do for their beer or wine. It's the narcs and
    dealers who like the status quo.
     
    That's okay, but people can be a little more up front about it.
     
    — Chris <s..s@a2c2.us>(phone#-removed)
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    Andrew Merkel <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 06 09:03AM -0700  

    The people of Butte County Win Measure A goes down in defeat!
     
    Power to the People
     
    45 to 55
     
    Hell Ya.
     
    Andrew Merkel
     
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    Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 06 01:05AM -0700  

    my understanding is that Colvin legitimizes collectives right to exist;
    cultivate collectively; all members do not have to participate in
    cultivation; and collectives may possess and transport in aggregate amounts
    according to membership; but i don't believe it address' compensation, or
    costs ..etc ..
     

     

    Starchild <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 06 03:50AM -0700  

    Mickey,
     
    Well said. Your point about the opportunity costs of fighting for limited rights applies to anything short of advocating the total freedom to use our bodies however we wish so long as we are not aggressing against others.
     
    Love & Liberty,
    ((( starchild )))
     
     
    On Jun 5, 2012, at 9:19 AM, Mickey Martin wrote: