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CSPARC on the Sacramento B.O.S. agenda for Tuesday, December 11th, 3pm!!!!

From: CSPARC Sacramento – December 4, 2012

Hello All,

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*CSPARC finally got a spot on the Sacramento County Board of Supervisors agenda for next Tuesday, December 10th at 3:00 p.m! * Medical cannabis advocates will present over 30,000 signatures of Sacramento County voters to the Board of Supervisors in favor of sensible medical cannabis regulations. The Committee for Safe patient Access to Regulated Cannabis (CSPARC) calls for the B.O.S. to come back to the table and establish guidelines for safe access points and clear regulations. Supporters will file the initiative again and take it to the voter’s if necessary.

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*If you are interested in being a part of the presentation, please respond to this email with your name and phone number. We are looking for 30 dedicated patients or advocates to carry up 1000 signatures at the presentation. *

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*When:* December 10th, 2012

· Press Conference at 2:00 p.m.

· Support Rally and Candlelight Vigil (weather permitting) at 12:00 p.m.

· Presentation to Board of Supervisors- on Agenda for 3:00 p.m. meeting

*Where:* Sacramento County Board of Supervisors Chambers- County Administration Center

700 H Street, Room 1450 in Sacramento, CA

*Moving Forward: *Currently there are thousands of medical cannabis patients that are forced to drive long distances to access cannabis medicines. The Board of Supervisors enacted a backdoor ban in December of 2011 that outlawed all cannabis-related activity, including personal patient cultivation. We believe this ban was unconstitutional, as a body cannot move to simply ignore state law. We are asking that the Board of Supervisors reconsider their ban, and work with the community to develop regulations that encourage public safety and consider the needs of the community.

The medical cannabis community is prepared to organize another initiative drive and take the issue to the voters; but we would much rather work with the elected Board of Supervisors to do the work of the people and avoid a costly and unnecessary election process. It is the duty of our local representatives to find a better method of dealing with medical cannabis than simply working to make qualified patients, and their providers, outlaws. We encourage the Board to review the initiative we have developed, which we feel is fair and balanced in its approach. The citizens of Sacramento County deserve solutions.

— The Committee for Safe Patient Access to Regulated Cannabis Sacramento, CA www.RegulateSac.org and www.CSPARC.org @CSPARCsac Find Us on FB Here Phone:(phone#-removed) Email: s..s@a2c2.us

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June 29, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 25 Messages in 12 Topics

    Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 29 09:27PM -0700  

    Great work Mickey; you got me? I got you bro; while exposing me … you
    exposed yourself. At first, mother fucker you were my hero … and i would
    have bought your bitch ass tickets; but you let me down brother. Now what?
     
    Once major exception; do not lump me in with that sorryass organization
    that ran power inn wellness. I'm true blue Sacsterdam Collective inc, a
    non-profit; mutual benefit corporation; bro. i've got the paperwork to
    prove it.
     
    You can catch my page at www.facebook.com/sacsterdam
     
    col0rado
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    jeff j <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 28 10:06PM -0700  

    Cannabis and Man kind have had a symbiotic relation since creation! It always has been medicine even if you think it is just social…. The Government is about control and they protect and serve the fictional commercial money system. cannabis and all war is a war on nature and to impose synthetics … Obama care is not about health care it is about controlling the U.S. #1 resource the people that are the Equity of the Government machine… Cannabis is considered a commercial crime against revenue laws and the DEA was created under the Department of the treasury go figure … People are totally clueless what is going on and all the arguing is not fixing the real crux of the issue… we the people have to take control of the Republic again.Voting in the fictional Democracy know as The UNITED STATES is nothing more then voting for your favorite corporation that does not represent you. The republic died at the civil war and the ending of the gold standard was the final nail in the coffin….the 14th amendment and then the New deal implemented a legal fiction society and the people are considered its product this has nothing to do with the real republic aka we the people … the Democracy is the matrix that has us all blind to the true nature of existence.
    On Jun 28, 2012, at 8:03 PM, David Malmo-Levine wrote:
     

     

    "andrew garret" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 29 08:07PM -0700  

    Not that anyone really cares, but I just found out that "Dollar Tree" is
    selling MARIHUANA Home Drug Test's for only a dollar. . . . something
    call EasyScreen, and they claim that is is 97% accuracy.
     
    What won't they think of next.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 29 07:14PM -0700  

    Yeah … BUT … the initiative you are working on Mickey only allows a
    limited number of dispensaries isn't that correct; 25 instead of the 80+
    that used to distribute? Restrictive permitting.
     
     
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    On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Mickey Martin

     

    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 29 08:05PM -0700  

    Actually dumbass, it allows for one for every 25,000 people. It also
    increases the number from zero, which it is now, to over 20….and it lifts
    the ban on patient and collective cultivation. It also allows for the BoS
    to allow for more. You have zero idea of what you speak, and the definition
    of "permitting" in itself implies restrictions.
     
    Still haven't found your real name yet, eh coward?
     
     
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    "s..s@a2c2.us" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 28 10:11PM -0700  

    The transaction is not taxed. The income earned from it is. That is
    incorporated into the price…
     
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    Sent: Fri, Jun 29, 2012 04:58:20 GMT+00:00
     
    Mickey,
     

     
    Shit that is sold on the "wholesale" level is not taxed.
     

     
    Bill McPike
     

     
    Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:57 AM
     

     
    Cannabis is not food. It is also not a prescription drug. If a person is
    "growing crops" then they are not taxed, until the crop is SOLD. Shit that
    is sold is taxed. End of story.
     

     
    You say "WE are supposed to be the government." Well then WE have our head
    up our asses. But the reality is that "WE" are about 10-13% of the society
    we live in. WE are outnumbered by a long shot. So it doesn't matter what
    utopian unicorn philosophy WE come up with because WE do not have the
    numbers to back it up.
     

     
    This is a stupid argument….weed will be legal and it will be taxed and
    people will eventually quit going to jail for weed…..live with it.
     

     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
     
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
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    Pebbles Trippet <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 29 08:01AM -0700  

    In People v Mower, the Supremes ruled that marijuana is "no more
    illegal than" prescription drugs and should be treated the same.
    Mower's conviction was voided.
     
    The Mower court did not say marijuana should not be taxed; taxation
    was not at issue.
    But there is that implication.
     
    Since prescription medicine is not taxed in this country, except in
    Illinois,
    if Ca decides to regulate and tax as a matter of law, it could be used
    as precedent to apply a new tax
    to other medicines based on equal protection, introducing another
    layer of hostility toward medical cannabis.
     
    Taxation on full legalization, but not medicine, avoids that issue…
     
    Home gardens not being subject to regulation avoids another level of
    complaints.
     
    pebbles
     

     

    Tom Davenport <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 29 03:00PM -0700  

    Mickey, all that fast food must be hardening the arteries in yer head
    if you believe raw, herbal cannabis is not food 😉
     
    Fresh (undried) RAW cannabis is a whole 'nother ball game from
    cooked. Water leaves, or other leaves, can be incorporated into
    salads and benefit w/out buzz. Anyone experiencing the inevitable
    aches and pains of an aging body will benefit from this.
     
    Even immature bud, uncooked, seems to produce little, if any, buzz.
    Use an oil containing dressing – helps our humanoid digestion digest
    the cellulose.
     
    Both fresh leaf and immature bud work well juiced into smoothies with
    Wheat Grass and Purslane – making it taste tolerable is the main
    challenge. You can find out about wheat grass juices' nutritional
    benefits pretty easy. Purslane is less well known in this context.
    It's very high in C complex vitamins and, in combination w. wheat
    grass juice and fresh cannabis, will make your body feel a whole lot
    better than it did before drinking it.
     
    While it is highly possible to make these smoothies actually taste
    good, rather than just endurable, it takes additional inputs of
    apples, other fruits/berries and banana (for sweetness/body) to do
    it. Assembling the ingredients in the 'right' sequence also
    influences how well the recipe works. Acerola C powder and Modified
    Citrus Pectin are also good in the smoothies, but have to be added at
    the right stage sequentially to get them to mix well. Don't overlook
    Chocolate – in addition to its well known delights, it also has the
    ability to help disguise disagreeable flavors. Most commercial
    chocolate is loaded w. added sugar and other unhealthy crap, so
    caveat emptor on that. Carob powder would be worth experimenting
    with but I've not done it.
     
    It was an accidental discovery finding out that ingesting dried trim
    shake will give you a bit of buzz if it's been sitting around a while
    – I put some in a (winter) smoothie and was shocked that I got a mild
    buzz. Apparently CBD converts to THC even at mild room temps after
    sitting around a while.
     
    Most outdoor growers I know munch on leaves while working in the
    garden. You get used to the flavor, which is spicy; not any spicier
    than Roquette/Arugula in a salad. Of course, I'm referring to
    organic herb here.
     
    We're not into poisoning ourselves, others and the environment like
    the ChemDawg growers, both indoors and out, who would need a brain
    transplant if ill informed enough to eat, vaporize or smoke anything
    that's been sprayed w. Avid or any of a host of other toxic chemicals
    that flakey growers use.
     
    On Jun 29, 2012, at 12:44 AM, Terry Colorado wrote:
     

     

 

 

    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 29 06:48AM -0700  

    The fundraising pitch…"We are not like the rest of them. Give us your
    money. I am just a poor attorney looking to donate hundreds of thousands of
    dollars of legal help to patients in need….but hoping one day to collect
    private attorneys fees from patients and providers…."
     
    For the record, we are finishing up an effort to qualify a ballot
    initiative in Sacramento County that *lifts a ban on a patient's right to
    cultivate*, as well as *expands access in Sacramento County*. "Crusader for
    Patients Rights" director Lanette Davies owns a dispensary in Sacramento.
    They have to date provided ZERO resources in the way of funding or manpower
    to this effort. So DO NOT BELIEVE THE HYPE. If they were really "crusading
    for patients rights" supporting an effort to lift a ban on every patients'
    right to cultivate would be a no brainer. No such luck, no such support.
     
    As for picketing when a person's club is taken…..I do not recall anyone
    asking for support on this effort. I do recall you shutting down in Novato,
    correct? From a landlord letter, correct? Did you guys organize a response
    that did not get responded too? I do not recall hearing about it, but would
    be happy to organize one with you any time and work on a response.
     
    Be Well…Mickey
     
     
    > Dan Rush said:
     
    > Mickey is right. You want a no-taxed prescription environment… welcome
    > to
     

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    David Fiedler <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 29 02:34PM -0700  

    > arthritis who get fast pain relief by just using alcohol in which cannabis
    > leaves have been soaked — an old Mexican remedy that works, and is CHEAP
    > and doesn't hurt your liver or kidneys.
     
     
    Just as an aside to the bitter wrangling here, that there remedy is
    actually the origin of the slang term "pot" according to something that's
    been floating around the interwebz: "Pot comes from the Spanish word
    Potiguaya, which means Marijuana Leaves. It’s a Mexican-Spanish word that
    is a contraction of potación de guaya, which referred to an alcoholic drink
    made of marijuana leaves soaked in Brandy or Wine. The name became popular
    in the United States in the late 1930s."

     

    Letitia Pepper <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 29 12:52PM -0700  

    (1)  I never said I was filing a CEQA lawsuit against Sacramento County, so don't hold your breath, and
     
    (2) Lanette Davies said "We don't want an unruly group opening up all across the city; we want
    safe access for patients. When they open, we want to know
    they're doing the right thing. One bad apple can make the whole group
    look bad."
     
         Saying you want reasonable regulations for safe access is NOT the same as saying you want to limit the NUMBER of dispensaries.

     

 

    CSPARC Sacramento <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 29 01:14PM -0700  

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    Unfortunately it looks like we will likely come up short for making the
    November Ballot. That is the bad news. We needed 42,300 signatures and we
    came up with about 25,000 and still counting, so far. The reality is that
    we never had enough money and the money we did have was too little too
    late. It has been a rough time for fundraising and the eight statewide
    petitions that we were competing with were overwhelming. We needed to have
    our signatures in by Monday at the latest to ensure we made the cutoff for
    the November ballot. We missed that goal.
     
    THE GOOD NEWS…We still have until July 23rd to get the signatures we need
    to make a future ballot. It would take a bold and unified effort from the
    activist community to make it happen. Believe we have not given up by any
    means; but WE NEED HELP. LIKE NOW!
     
    We need at least another 40-50,000 signatures to qualify this. It sounds
    like a lot. The reality is that it is; but it is FAR FROM IMPOSSIBLE. I am
    not sure if there is any renewed sense of urgency in the patient and
    activist community in CA and in Sacramento, but if you ever wanted to step
    up and do your part to make cannabis more accessible for patients and help
    us lift the ban on patient and collective cultivation in Sac County, YOU
    MUST ACT NOW!
     
    If 100 Activist and Supporters committed to gathering 500 signatures each
    over the next 3 weeks, we could pull this off. I can commit to my 500 right
    now. If any other activists want to step up to the plate to help us pull
    this thing off call(phone#-removed); or email s..s@a2c2.us. We will
    get you all set up. We still have our offices open and Kimberly will still
    be working until we are finished.
     
    We unfortunately cannot afford to pay signature gatherers any longer, as
    our funding commitments decided to restock the war-chest for another run at
    this initiative in the near future; but we do have a lot of good incentives
    for activists and volunteers who want to help us keep going.
     
    It continues to be a great campaign. We have seen and learned a lot about
    the community and have been very grateful from the response we
    have received by most all. It has been refreshing to be a part of. Much of
    the patient and activist community has come together to find a more unified
    voice. It is inspiring. We understand the magnitude of the project we have
    taken on and hope we can finish it off with a great last push from the
    dedicated Sacramento patient community,
     
    BUT YOU MUST GET OFF THE COUCH AND COLLECT SOME SIGNATURES NOW IF WE WANT
    THIS TO HAPPEN. That is the bottom line. We are well on our way, but we
    will need some hard work and dedication over the next weeks to qualify the
    Patients Access to Regulated Medical Cannabis Act for a future ballot. A
    miracle is not likely to happen; but a SOLID EFFORT from a passionate and
    unified community could still get us to our ultimate goal of patient access
    to personal choice cannabis medicines.
     
    <http://www.regulatesac.org/images/parmca.jpg>
     
     

    The Committee for Safe Patient Access to Regulated Cannabis
    Sacramento, CA
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    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 29 10:49AM -0700  

    Chess with pigeons…..Lanette Davies has ALWAYS supported limiting who can
    operate:
     
    http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=123095
     
    For many years, roughly five dispensaries operated in the city of
    > safe access for patients," Davies said. "When they open, we want to know
    > they're doing the right thing. One bad apple can make the whole group look
    > bad."
     
     
    She use ASA as a platform to try and edge out the other dispensaries there.
    Let us not try to change history on the CnnaCare legacy now.
     
    And this in support of the ordinance:
     
    http://calpotnews.com/sacramento-city-council-drops-cap-on-dispensaries/
     
    Lanette Davies, co-director of Canna Care dispensary, called the agreement
    > community than anyone ever has,” she said. “They set this up to look after
    > the safety of the communities and also took the time to make sure the
    > dispensaries are safe.”
     
     
    BTW, all of Sac County is waiting for you to file that lawsuit then. You
    should really get to know the groups you promote, though.
     
    Your hyperbole just does not hold water. Sorry.
     
     
    On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Letitia Pepper <s..s@a2c2.us>wrote:
     
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    David Malmo-Levine <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 28 10:25PM -0700  

    I agree that med pot distributors should not be making millions. But I
    think doctors and lawyers should also not make millions for the same reason
    – nobody's "services" are worth that much. The people most loudly calling
    for limits on profits in the pot industry stop at the pot industry and
    never ever discuss the industry they belong to – for obvious reasons.
     
    On 2012-06-28 9:55 PM, <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
     
    it is way more than a decent living when collective "owners" personally
    share with me some millions of $$ they are working on laundering. So,
    plenty of collective owners are making way, way more than a fair wage.
     
    But this issue aside, the collective model was never to be pounds in and
    pounds out. The growers are to be a part of the collective and provide
    their services and expenses to the collective. The current model in the
    stores is no where close to "compassionate". Flowers are being purchased
    for $1800 and resold in the collectives for nearly $7k/pound when you see
    the $75 eights and even more.
     
    I would love people to begin sharing any collectives who are following this
    model. The collective needs to be growing all their own flowers or have
    members of their collective that grow under a legal Designation Letter from
    the management of the collective. Ideally, all the growers' flowers would
    be distributed inside the collective.
     
    It is huge cash profits and deviance from the intention of the collective
    model that has led to the downfall of so many stores. The physicians have
    cooperated by making a mockery of the "Recommendation Letter".
     
    I wish I felt better about what has happened, but I just don't see a bright
    future for the current model.
     
    Allan I Frankel, MD
     
     
    > Date: Thu, June 28, 2012 8:52 am
    > To: savecannabis@a2…
     
    > "The right to make a living is what legalization is all about" FYI,
    people are allowed to make a …
     
     
    >> From: David Malmo-Levine <s..s@a2c2.us>
    >> Subject: [Save Cannabis] Those who argu…
     
    >> Shame on you "activists" that would deny the pioneers of the cannabis
    movement a decent living. Y…
     
     

June 22, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 25 Messages in 12 Topics

    "s..s@a2c2.us" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 22 08:32PM -0700  

    Just sharing.
     
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    Sent: June 22, 2012 6/22/12
     
    The government of Uruguay announced on June 20 that it will submit a proposal for the legalization of the sale of marijuana (possession and use of marijuana is already legal in Uruguay). If adopted, Uruguay would become the first country in the world to establish a controlled marketplace for marijuana, which would be a major breakthrough and would break a taboo, challenge international laws, and set a precedent. Uruguay has also been debating cultivation for personal use for over one year. The approval of both measures would be a giant step forward. 
    We know that pressure must already be building on the Uruguayan government to drop its marijuana legalization project, just like it did on Guatemala and its neighbors last February. We cannot afford to drop the ball on Uruguay.
     
     
    I prepared a letter for you to sign http://www.world-war-d.com/2012/06/23/support-uruguay-marijuana-legalization/.
     
     
    When you sign this letter, it will be sent with your signature to President José Mujica and the two major opposition parties.
     
     
    Remember: This is just a proposal for the time being, and it needs to go thru parliamentary approval. For those you who think that it doesn’t go far enough, that it gives too much control to the government, just think about the uphill battle President José Mujica and his government are facing, and the expected US government’s stonewalling. There is absolutely no guarantee that this proposal will go thru, which is why we need to show our support.
     
     
    Please share this blog post on Facebook, on Twitter and other social medias or by email.
     
     
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    Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 22 07:01PM -0700  

    I've got a question to ask you: Are you Healthier because you smoke weed? I
    for one am healthier; I don't get sick easy; i don't have any general pains
    … unless i don't smoke … i'm in my 40's …
     
     
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    "martinvictor" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 22 02:02PM -0700  

    From: martinvictor [mailto:s..s@a2c2.us]
    Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 10:13 AM
     

     
    Marla,
     
    I think you got Mickey mixed up, he believes that " ALL USE IS MEDICAL"
    that means " scrapped knee" and anything else.
     

     
    Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:16 PM
     

     
    Mickey,
     
    You are so right. Our fight is for safe access for patients. As long as the
    Federal Government believes that cannabis has no medical use, we lose. The
    Feds make a lot of money from"the drug war". My wish list would be that the
    California medical board would crack down on the doctors that give
    recommendations to anyone with a scrapped knee. That is why many city
    councils look at medical marijuana as a "farce" . We are a very divided
    group. So many personal dramas. Its very tiring.
     
    Marla in Huntington Beach
     
    On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us>
    wrote:
     
    You somewhat miss the point. The point is simple….all use is not medical
    as determined by the society we live in.
     

     
    You can argue until we are blue in the face, but that is the fact. We can
    continue to try and convince the world that everything that goes on in the
    medical cannabis industry is 100% medical related; but the fact is that this
    argument is losing. Our communities are rejecting this notion resoundingly,
    as more bans and limitations continue to be put forth to stop the perceived
    out of control industry.
     

     
    On October 7th, 2011 the 4 US Attorneys for CA did a press conference
    announcing that they were launching a crckdown. The basis for this crackdown
    was widespread abuses in the system, but do not take my word for it…here
    is a piece from the LA Times that explains it a bit better:
     

     
    Birotte said the new strategy was not triggered by any specific event but
    was inspired by a stream of complaints from California law enforcement
    officials. The crackdown announced Friday came after months of consultation
    between the U.S. attorneys and Justice Department officials in Washington.
    The prosecutors acknowledged that they are not getting more money or
    prosecutors.
     
    Steve Cooley, the Los Angeles County district attorney, predicted that
    intense coordination with federal prosecutors would make a huge difference.
    "It's advancing in the right direction from our perspective," he said. In
    Los Angeles, Jane Usher, a special assistant city attorney, said her office
    intended to work closely with Birotte's. "We're gratified that they see what
    we see, which is what began as an opportunity to help seriously ill patients
    has evolved into storefront drug sales and trafficking," she said.
     
    Source:
    http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/07/local/la-me-obama-medical-marijuana
    20111008
     
    Our reality is that we have overplayed the medical card. Where was all this
    "straighten up and fly right" rhetoric a year ago when cannabis moguls were
    doing well and there was no crackdown? The money was flowing, and nobody
    gave a shit. Now all of the sudden there is an issue? Why? Because the US
    Attorneys said there is an issue, that is why…..and that issue is that
    they do not think this industry is legit in its current form.
     

     
    So it is not me you have to convince. It is the guys with the guns…but I
    assure you if we are fighting the battle on their terms, we are
    losing…..but you do not need me to tell you that. Just look around…..
     

     
    Mickey
     

     

     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
     
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..s@a2c2.us
    (phone#-removed)
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    am affiliated with.***
     

     
    _____
     
    Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:55 PM
     

     
    MIckey: You are a victim of your socialization. I refuse to concede to the
    general point of view. That pov perceives those who behave badly as bad.
    Prisons are designed to punish. What if we saw that no one in their right
    mind would murder, rape, steal? Insanity defense all around! Of course
    people have to be sequestered from harming others if they are prone to
    violence and theft, but their incarceration ought to include means for them
    to be healed and productive to what ever extent that is possible.
     
    You probably think that is off topic and naive also, but what I see is your
    dismay at the notion that all use is medical derives from some common
    perception that someone who wants to drink a bottle of Nyquilt or smoke til
    they drop is somehow undeserving of what relief they get from doing that.
    "The abuse of a drug is its own punishment" so why would folks punish
    themselves? BEcause they are sick in ways that are not commonly accepted,
    but I assure you, they are ill. Your discomfort about them is a kind of
    extension of our Puritan roots.
     
    I have consistantly said that all use is not medical because I am willing to
    allow that recreation is more a spiritual practice than a medical response
    to disease consideration. In this point of view I am able to point at the
    origins of holiday that is Holy day, the concept of a day of rest, the real
    meaning of recreation that is re=creation, and the origin of vacation in
    vacating oneself from daily concerns and opening to a new self reborn from
    that practice.
     
    Our society is uncomfortable with a religious pov that extends into a world
    view that encompasses how a person lives their daily lives. Daily cannabis
    use is uplifting for some, and probably keeps them from the diseases that
    would mandate that they use it medicinally daily.
     
    I think that freedom means that a person can choose to fck themselves up. I
    am a doctor and would rather they did not, but hell I am a human first and I
    want to do what I want and as long as you do not harm me, I stand by your
    right to do what you want. That will always be my primary start for how I
    approach life and those around me.
     
    I do understand what the majority think, but I will stand for the truth and
    logic. It is illogical to chide people for what they do and to imprison them
    for what they do if they do not hurt others. So of course we are on the same
    side, no one in prison for having a relation with hemp, cannabis, weed. If
    there ever were a bad law that is based on lies and illogic and greed well
    there it is.
     
    So if we can not get people to agree to all use is medical or to the idea
    that people have the right to be free, or that people have a right to take a
    substance as part of their spiritual religious practice, then we are dealing
    with Puritans. That is the socialization that we have underlying our society
    and those people were fanatics who had little tolerance for anything other
    than their herd mentality agreed upon.
     
    I will always stand for each person's right to be an individual. Without
    that, there is no freedom.
     
    On Jun 20, 2012, Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
     
     

    <http://cannabiswarrior.com/2012/06/20/what-the-fuck-are-we-fighting-for-any
    way/> What the fuck are we fighting for anyway?Posted by Mickey Martin on
    June 20th, 2012
     
     

     
    The longer and harder I try to figure this out, the further I always seem
    from finding an answer. What the fuck are we fighting for anyway? Who knows
    any more?
     
    I always thought we were fighting for cannabis freedom. Real cannabis
    freedom..you know, grown-ass people being able to use weed for whatever they
    want whenever they want. Pretty simple stuff, right? How do we get more
    people to be able to use and grow weed legally without the fear of going to
    prison, losing their rights, or being considered an outcast? How do we get
    our society to quit taking people to jail for weed?
     
    But somewhere along the line shit has gotten complicated. The first real
    reforms passed that allowed for a certain class of people to use cannabis
    without going to jail, or suffering consequences, were medical cannabis
    laws. It was easy to see how sick and dying people that found relief from
    cannabis should be allowed to use weed without fear of being arrested or
    losing their position in society. Medical cannabis is a no-brainer. The
    reason medical marijuana support is around 70-80% of our society is because
    only a real asshole would think that a sick person should be arrested for
    using weed if it helps them to feel better. Medical should be a given. And
    in some states it was for a minute..kind of, sort of, not really…but close
    enough.
     
    But then EVERYONE got hella sick. All of the sudden any and every ailment
    ever had by a person was an ongoing and chronic condition that only cannabis
    could heal. We convinced ourselves that if we justified every cannabis use
    as a medical procedure that we would be afforded the same glorious
    protections as the sickest chemo patient.
     
    Now all of the sudden the Choom Gangs were no longer choomed out, but
    instead they were very ill and in need of some serious medicine. Fire up the
    fat-ass blunt so a brother can get his medicine on already.
     
    Six-foot bong rips are medicine. Check.
     
    My doctor's office is at a Cypress Hill show. Check.
     
    I eat 500mg THC brownies (as much as an ENTIRE BOTTLE of the strongest dose
    Marinol) because I am so sick that only a dosage that makes me drool on
    myself will suffice. Check.
     
    I fire up mad torches and hit the one gram globs because I have such a
    severe medical condition that only ridiculous amounts of pure concentrate to
    the face will work for my pain. Check.
     
    "What are you saying, Mickey?"..I am saying that we are full of shit…
     
    We have been half brainwashed by the allowance of medical cannabis and have
    forgotten what the fuck we are fighting for. Medical cannabis has been
    successful in advancing our cause, and in no way am I demeaning the real
    medical effects cannabis has on MANY people who truly need it. I am not
    saying everyone is full of shit, but I am saying that much of the activity
    that we have deemed "medicating" is just way the fuck beyond medical
    dosages, applications, and use. If I have a bottle of Nyquil, and I take the
    2 tablespoons of Nyquil before bed because I feel like shit, then I am
    medicating. If I drink the entire bottle of Nyquil in an effort to get
    fucked up and pass out "so I can rest" then I am not really medicating any
    more at that point, am I? I have gone beyond a medical application to a
    choice of wanting to be more fucked up and to just go to sleep. But I do not
    think there is a doctor alive who would recommend drinking a bottle of
    Nyquil so you could get the spins and pass out for 12 hours…
     
    Yet, this is what we see in our "medical" industry. The usage rates and
    common practices do not coincide with the realities of our medical standards
    for treatment. Why? Because most of us, even people with legitimate medical
    concerns as I have, often use cannabis for much more than our medical
    afflictions. It is a social thing, no doubt. I do not ask my buddies if they
    want to share my antibiotics, or even my pain meds (though some I am sure
    wish I would). We do not stand in a circle and pop Vicodin together and
    discuss them. I do not load up as many Ibuprofen as I can and see if I can
    finish them all.
     
    Cannabis is different…and I can hear the diehard medical only fanatics
    now.."Cannabis is a plant, Mickey. The social benefits of using it are also
    medical."
     
    So we can say the same about booze, and even coffee then, right? So every
    bar is now a medical dispensary because they dispense social well-being and
    liquid courage? Is shopping medical, because I do feel beter when getting
    new shit. Does my insurance cover that?
     
    Where I am going with this is that we have lost our focus and have allowed
    for the watering down of what is medical, and what is not, interfere with
    reality. The result has been an ongoing effort to crackdown on the "medical"
    industry, and to regulate the shit out of it similar to other medicines in
    our society. We have continued to declare that patients rights are the only
    rights we need for cannabis users, and have gotten tunnel vision. Now that
    tunnel vision is being used to kill us off.
     
    There is no shortage of media and news coverage questioning the legitimacy
    of our medical industry. It is the big joke in our society. Everyone gets
    it. We can see pretty clearly that a lot of people also do not think it is
    funny.
     
    So we are losing our place in society and our seat at the table. Our
    industry swelled in 2010 after the Ogden memo, and is rapidly shrinking as
    the crackdown continues. Great operators are losing their position and
    livelihood from landlord letters, sanctions, lawsuits, and raids.
    Dispensaries, growers, producers, and patients continue to watch as the
    industry they once knew becomes a shell of itself. Dedicated and passionate
    soldiers are turning and walking away in disgust and frustration. Some will
    not be back.
     
    I cannot say I blame them either. This industry can drive a person nuts, no
    doubt. I think you have to be a little nuts just to even get into it. Who
    wants to work hard and fight daily to barely survive in a cut-throat
    environment when you also have to risk a decade in prison at the same time?
    Fuck that shit. And who the fuck wants to continue to fight under the same
    weak-ass pretenses that our side has been putting forth to no avail for
    decades? It is incredibly frustrating on the surface, but as you dig deeper
    it is easy to see how maddening the reality of cannabis reform is these
    days. Fuck it.
     
    I am pretty sure that most in this industry/movement, and out of this
    industry/movement, have NO IDEA what the fuck we are fighting for any more.
    I know I don't, and I am knee deep in this shit. All I know is I want our
    society to quit taking people to jail for weed. I think we have overplayed
    the medical hand, and we must begin to work on the larger goal of making
    cannabis available for adult use. If we continue to make concessions in
    order to comply with what is medical and who is a patient then we lose. We
    see more people going to jail for weed, not less.
     
    Right now we are losing. We are getting our asses handed to us daily, and
    many are scrambling to try and figure out how to stop the bleeding. Good for
    you. We will never put up points constantly playing defense, and frankly,
    our defense kind of sucks some times. We must begin to attack the larger
    societal issues and begin to use our voices to actually create real and
    meaningful change. Progress can happen, but we have to figure out what the
    fuck it is we are really fighting for first..
     
    If we are fighting to place further limits on an already severely abused and
    somewhat misunderstood medical cannabis industry to maintain some semblance
    of what we currently have, then count me out.
     
    If we are continuing to build off of our succeses in the medical cannabis
    industry and developing a powerful voice for true cannabis freedom that
    demands we quit taking our friends, neighbors, and mostly poor people to
    jail for weed, then count me in. I will get my ass-kicking shoes on.
     

     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
     
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.com <http://www.cannabiswarrior.com/>
    www.tcompconsulting.com <http://www.tcompconsulting.com/>
    s..s@a2c2.us
    (phone#-removed)
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    CSPARC Sacramento <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 22 06:07PM -0700  

    Whatever keeps people out of jail for weed..

     

    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 22 06:57AM -0700  

    A sad fucking reality….
    Posted by Mickey Martin on June 22nd, 2012
    We are losing.
    I look around me, and I am disheartened by our current standing and our inability to find reasonable and effective strategies to combat the all out assault we see happening to the cannabis industry at this time. I see a lot of ground we have gained in years past being lost in the shuffle; and very little effective tactics being deployed on our side to combat this agression. There is kind of a deer in the headlights thing happening that, to me, seems like a sad fucking reality.
    A wave of depression has overcome the cannabis industry/movement of late that has crippled our ability to stand and fight for what we believe. I see a lot of grasping at straws and hanging on to failed strategies in some effort to preserve what is. There is very little focus on what should be. Our reactive stance is more of a “going through the motions” exercise in futility, than it is a true movement towards freedom justice, and morality. We simply lack direction.
    I am not sure what the answer is either, so it is not like I am casting stones here. I am just acknowledging that the current state of affairs is a sad fucking reality. I wake up daily hoping that the inspiration and desire to do something great moves me. I fight off my own depression, and apathy, and craziness, and anger, and disappointment…and, and, and. It is easy to let this constant roller coaster of instability and chaos get to you.
    It is hard to wake up everyday knowing that you travel uphill both ways to work. We operate in a thankless industry that often provides more risk than reward. Many people risk their freedom and livelihood to provide cannabis to those who want and need it. It is an honorable and noble effort, and one most should be proud of.
    But not a day goes by that we are not confronted as criminals, and looked down upon as lesser members of our society. Even the vast understanding of how important the medical aspects of cannabis are has begun to fall on deaf ears, as we are losing the PR battle for the hearts and minds of our communities. The increasing concern about the abuses in the medical cannabis system are resulting in coordinated efforts to expose and amplify the industry as a fraud.
    Yet, instead of putting the blame squarely where it belongs- on an out of control law enforcement and private prison industry that has forced people to decide between abusing a silly system, or going to prison for the plants in their back yard- we continue to backpedal like we are in agreement that we have done something wrong. Let us be clear. We are in the right. People should be able to use cannabis, period. If they have to get a doctor to sign off on that right now because that is the only avenue this stupid society has left open for us, then so be it.
    But we refuse to acknowledge that. We do not defend our rights, or the honor of the plant. We see the direction and rhetoric of our movement’s talking heads continue to ignore the reality of the situation; or even worse, they condemn it. Not me. Fuck it. I embrace it. People have found a loophole and have exploited it to avoid going to prison. Some people have made money in the process. Big fucking deal. Get over it. Quit taking people to jail for weed.
    You wanna talk a racket? You wanna talk about abuse? You want to talk about lies and deception? You are talking about the cops, private prison companies, and big business lobbyists that have sold this racket of a drug war to the American people, and who continue to fleece us for money and liberty in the name of drugs. We need to start turning the conversation back on the real problem, which is prohibition. This is where we will win the battle. It will not be won or lost on whether a dispensary can be 600 ft. or 100 ft from a school, park, or youth facility. It will not be won or lost on a mandatory registration program that expands prohibition. It will be won or lost on our ability to expose the war criminals and to educate our neighbors on the danger, and wastefulness, of prohibition.
    But right now, in this moment. the sad fucking reality is that we are dead in the water. The sad fucking reality is that we are fractured and confused. The sad fucking reality is that we are trying to answer questions that were never asked in hopes of stopping the bleeding; but in the process we have failed to ask questions that truly advance our cause. We have failed to find the pressure points of our societal views on cannabis and exploit the drug warriors for the frauds and villains they really are.
    You wanna talk about “profiteers?” How about a woman who runs the DEA who can afford to spend $137k on chartering a flight and who makes hundreds of thousands of tax-payer salaries every year not even being able to answer a question of whether or not heroin is more dangerous than cannabis. Yup. Now there is a profiteer. Or the private prison moguls that have made billions from locking up mostly poor people, many for weed. Or the drug testing companies. Or the cops who have inflated their budgets by instilling fear about these dangerous drugs in or communities.
    These are your profiteers. These are the one’s making money off of drugs…just off keeping them illegal, dangerous, and in the hands of criminals. You want to talk profits? See how much GEO Prisons cleared last year. Here is an excerpt from the Daily Kos:
    The CEO of GEO George C. Zoley earned a salary of $1,145,000, got a bonus of $1,334,498and with other compensations like stock options, the total for him is $5,734,949. The company he heads up, the GEO Group, is raking in the blood money by the barrel full.
    That is what dude gets for locking up poor people for weed every year. But people want to be mad that a person who sells some weed makes a couple of hundred grand? Please. Get a grip.
    But this is all part of our sad fucking reality. This is part of us continuing to play the role of second-class citizen, and appeasing the oppressors. We are not criminals. The people capitalizing off of the drug war and manufacturing crime in an effort to enslave and imprison 25% of the world’s prison population while only having 5% of the actual population are the fucking criminals. Until we can begin to turn the tables and get that message out, we will continue to get our asses handed to us and we will continue to see a coordinated retreat happen.
    We CAN end this thing. We CAN make a difference. We CAN begin moving in the right direction….but first we have to do some serious self-reflecting and soul searching. We must understand that our sad fucking reality is partially our own fucking fault and our destiny is up to us to create. Once we can do that, we can begin to move rapidly forward and we will begin to see the walls of prohibition truly crumble.
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..s@a2c2.us
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/micKEYmarTIN
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
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    Marla James <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 21 02:16PM -0700  

    Mickey,
    You are so right. Our fight is for safe access for patients. As long as the
    Federal Government believes that cannabis has no medical use, we lose. The
    Feds make a lot of money from"the drug war". My wish list would be that
    the California medical board would crack down on the doctors that give
    recommendations to anyone with a scrapped knee. That is why many city
    councils look at medical marijuana as a "farce" . We are a very divided
    group. So many personal dramas. Its very tiring.
    Marla in Huntington Beach
     

     

    rose jeri <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 22 12:00AM  

    No you misunderstood me since I said that society does not understand that bad people are most often ill and abuse of any substance is an indication also of illness and that neither of these two real truths are accepted by society. So I agree that society does not at this time recognize that all use is medical except if it is sacramental and society does not recognize that and the Puritan aspect of our society does not recognize our right to have fun either so even the idea that we ougtht to have the right to do what we want in the name of freedom does not cut it. So if we can get pain and depression that takes care of a huge number of people who are sick.
     
    Then maybe we can also push for freedom and the economic and ecological benefits of hemp as a means of altering the mess our society is in…
     
    that is the only means of chipping away at the monolith that I see but for me most important is getting the publlic aware that hemp is fuel and the whole 1% mess is based on an unfair restraint of trade against the US farmers might be what could get pepole riled up enough to demand change , but it will take an enormous amount of education to get that piece of the puzzle inot the heads of our stampeding public.
     
    On Jun 21, 2012, Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
     
    You somewhat miss the point. The point is simple….all use is not medical as determined by the society we live in.
     
    You can argue until we are blue in the face, but that is the fact. We can continue to try and convince the world that everything that goes on in the medical cannabis industry is 100% medical related; but the fact is that this argument is losing. Our communities are rejecting this notion resoundingly, as more bans and limitations continue to be put forth to stop the perceived out of control industry.
     
    On October 7th, 2011 the 4 US Attorneys for CA did a press conference announcing that they were launching a crckdown. The basis for this crackdown was widespread abuses in the system, but do not take my word for it…here is a piece from the LA Times that explains it a bit better:
     
    Birotte said the new strategy was not triggered by any specific event but was inspired by a stream of complaints from California law enforcement officials. The crackdown announced Friday came after months of consultation between the US attorneys and Justice Department officials in Washington. The prosecutors acknowledged that they are not getting more money or prosecutors.
     
    Steve Cooley, the Los Angeles County district attorney, predicted that intense coordination with federal prosecutors would make a huge difference. "It's advancing in the right direction from our perspective," he said. In Los Angeles, Jane Usher, a special assistant city attorney, said her office intended to work closely with Birotte's. "We're gratified that they see what we see, which is what began as an opportunity to help seriously ill patients has evolved into storefront drug sales and trafficking," she said.
     
    Source: http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/07/local/la-me-obama-medical-marijuana-20111008
     
    Our reality is that we have overplayed the medical card. Where was all this "straighten up and fly right" rhetoric a year ago when cannabis moguls were doing well and there was no crackdown? The money was flowing, and nobody gave a shit. Now all of the sudden there is an issue? Why? Because the US Attorneys said there is an issue, that is why…..and that issue is that they do not think this industry is legit in its current form.
     
    So it is not me you have to convince. It is the guys with the guns…but I assure you if we are fighting the battle on their terms, we are losing…..but you do not need me to tell you that. Just look around…..
     
    Mickey
     
    Mickey Martin
     
    T-Comp Consulting Director
     
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
     
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
     
    www.tcompconsulting.com
     
    s..s@a2c2.us
     
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    Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:55 PM
     
     
    MIckey: You are a victim of your socialization. I refuse to concede to the general point of view. That pov perceives those who behave badly as bad. Prisons are designed to punish. What if we saw that no one in their right mind would murder, rape, steal? Insanity defense all around! Of course people have to be sequestered from harming others if they are prone to violence and theft, but their incarceration ought to include means for them to be healed and productive to what ever extent that is possible.
     
    You probably think that is off topic and naive also, but what I see is your dismay at the notion that all use is medical derives from some common perception that someone who wants to drink a bottle of Nyquilt or smoke til they drop is somehow undeserving of what relief they get from doing that. "The abuse of a drug is its own punishment" so why would folks punish themselves? BEcause they are sick in ways that are not commonly accepted, but I assure you, they are ill. Your discomfort about them is a kind of extension of our Puritan roots.
     
    I have consistantly said that all use is not medical because I am willing to allow that recreation is more a spiritual practice than a medical response to disease consideration. In this point of view I am able to point at the origins of holiday that is Holy day, the concept of a day of rest, the real meaning of recreation that is re=creation, and the origin of vacation in vacating oneself from daily concerns and opening to a new self reborn from that practice.
     
    Our society is uncomfortable with a religious pov that extends into a world view that encompasses how a person lives their daily lives. Daily cannabis use is uplifting for some, and probably keeps them from the diseases that would mandate that they use it medicinally daily.
     
    I think that freedom means that a person can choose to fck themselves up. I am a doctor and would rather they did not, but hell I am a human first and I want to do what I want and as long as you do not harm me, I stand by your right to do what you want. That will always be my primary start for how I approach life and those around me.
     
    I do understand what the majority think, but I will stand for the truth and logic. It is illogical to chide people for what they do and to imprison them for what they do if they do not hurt others. So of course we are on the same side, no one in prison for having a relation with hemp, cannabis, weed. If there ever were a bad law that is based on lies and illogic and greed well there it is.
     
    So if we can not get people to agree to all use is medical or to the idea that people have the right to be free, or that people have a right to take a substance as part of their spiritual religious practice, then we are dealing with Puritans. That is the socialization that we have underlying our society and those people were fanatics who had little tolerance for anything other than their herd mentality agreed upon.
     
    I will always stand for each person's right to be an individual. Without that, there is no freedom.
     
    On Jun 20, 2012, Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
     
    What the fuck are we fighting for anyway?Posted by Mickey Martin on June 20th, 2012
     
    The longer and harder I try to figure this out, the further I always seem from finding an answer. What the fuck are we fighting for anyway? Who knows any more?
     
    I always thought we were fighting for cannabis freedom. Real cannabis freedom….you know, grown-ass people being able to use weed for whatever they want whenever they want. Pretty simple stuff, right? How do we get more people to be able to use and grow weed legally without the fear of going to prison, losing their rights, or being considered an outcast? How do we get our society to quit taking people to jail for weed?
     
    But somewhere along the line shit has gotten complicated. The first real reforms passed that allowed for a certain class of people to use cannabis without going to jail, or suffering consequences, were medical cannabis laws. It was easy to see how sick and dying people that found relief from cannabis should be allowed to use weed without fear of being arrested or losing their position in society. Medical cannabis is a no-brainer. The reason medical marijuana support is around 70-80% of our society is because only a real asshole would think that a sick person should be arrested for using weed if it helps them to feel better. Medical should be a given. And in some states it was for a minute….kind of, sort of, not really…..but close enough.
     
    But then EVERYONE got hella sick. All of the sudden any and every ailment ever had by a person was an ongoing and chronic condition that only cannabis could heal. We convinced ourselves that if we justified every cannabis use as a medical procedure that we would be afforded the same glorious protections as the sickest chemo patient.
     
    Now all of the sudden the Choom Gangs were no longer choomed out, but instead they were very ill and in need of some serious medicine. Fire up the fat-ass blunt so a brother can get his medicine on already.
     
    Six-foot bong rips are medicine. Check.
     
    My doctor's office is at a Cypress Hill show. Check.
     
    I eat 500mg THC brownies (as much as an ENTIRE BOTTLE of the strongest dose Marinol) because I am so sick that only a dosage that makes me drool on myself will suffice. Check.
     
    I fire up mad torches and hit the one gram globs because I have such a severe medical condition that only ridiculous amounts of pure concentrate to the face will work for my pain. Check.
     
    “What are you saying, Mickey?”….I am saying that we are full of shit…..
     
    We have been half brainwashed by the allowance of medical cannabis and have forgotten what the fuck we are fighting for. Medical cannabis has been successful in advancing our cause, and in no way am I demeaning the real medical effects cannabis has on MANY people who truly need it. I am not saying everyone is full of shit, but I am saying that much of the activity that we have deemed ”medicating” is just way the fuck beyond medical dosages, applications, and use. If I have a bottle of Nyquil, and I take the 2 tablespoons of Nyquil before bed because I feel like shit, then I am medicating. If I drink the entire bottle of Nyquil in an effort to get fucked up and pass out “so I can rest” then I am not really medicating any more at that point, am I? I have gone beyond a medical application to a choice of wanting to be more fucked up and to just go to sleep. But I do not think there is a doctor alive who would recommend drinking a bottle of Nyquil so you could get the spins and pass out for 12 hours…..
     
    Yet, this is what we see in our “medical” industry. The usage rates and common practices do not coincide with the realities of our medical standards for treatment. Why? Because most of us, even people with legitimate medical concerns as I have, often use cannabis for much more than our medical afflictions. It is a social thing, no doubt. I do not ask my buddies if they want to share my antibiotics, or even my pain meds (though some I am sure wish I would). We do not stand in a circle and pop Vicodin together and discuss them. I do not load up as many Ibuprofen as I can and see if I can finish them all.
     
    Cannabis is different…..and I can hear the diehard medical only fanatics now….”Cannabis is a plant, Mickey. The social benefits of using it are also medical.”
     
    So we can say the same about booze, and even coffee then, right? So every bar is now a medical dispensary because they dispense social well-being and liquid courage? Is shopping medical, because I do feel beter when getting new shit. Does my insurance cover that?
     
    Where I am going with this is that we have lost our focus and have allowed for the watering down of what is medical, and what is not, interfere with reality. The result has been an ongoing effort to crackdown on the “medical” industry, and to regulate the shit out of it similar to other medicines in our society. We have continued to declare that patients rights are the only rights we need for cannabis users, and have gotten tunnel vision. Now that tunnel vision is being used to kill us off.
     
    There is no shortage of media and news coverage questioning the legitimacy of our medical industry. It is the big joke in our society. Everyone gets it. We can see pretty clearly that a lot of people also do not think it is funny.
     
    So we are losing our place in society and our seat at the table. Our industry swelled in 2010 after the Ogden memo, and is rapidly shrinking as the crackdown continues. Great operators are losing their position and livelihood from landlord letters, sanctions, lawsuits, and raids. Dispensaries, growers, producers, and patients continue to watch as the industry they once knew becomes a shell of itself. Dedicated and passionate soldiers are turning and walking away in disgust and frustration. Some will not be back.
     
    I cannot say I blame them either. This industry can drive a person nuts, no doubt. I think you have to be a little nuts just to even get into it. Who wants to work hard and fight daily to barely survive in a cut-throat environment when you also have to risk a decade in prison at the same time? Fuck that shit. And who the fuck wants to continue to fight under the same weak-ass pretenses that our side has been putting forth to no avail for decades? It is incredibly frustrating on the surface, but as you dig deeper it is easy to see how maddening the reality of cannabis reform is these days. Fuck it…
     
    I am pretty sure that most in this industry/movement, and out of this industry/movement, have NO IDEA what the fuck we are fighting for any more. I know I don't, and I am knee deep in this shit. All I know is I want our society to quit taking people to jail for weed. I think we have overplayed the medical hand, and we must begin to work on the larger goal of making cannabis available for adult use. If we continue to make concessions in order to comply with what is medical and who is a patient then we lose. We see more people going to jail for weed, not less.
     
    Right now we are losing. We are getting our asses handed to us daily, and many are scrambling to try and figure out how to stop the bleeding. Good for you. We will never put up points constantly playing defense, and frankly, our defense kind of sucks some times. We must begin to attack the larger societal issues and begin to use our voices to actually create real and meaningful change. Progress can happen, but we have to figure out what the fuck it is we are really fighting for first….
     
    If we are fighting to place further limits on an already severely abused and somewhat misunderstood medical cannabis industry to maintain some semblance of what we currently have, then count me out.
     
    If we are continuing to build off of our succeses in the medical cannabis industry and developing a powerful voice for true cannabis freedom that demands we quit taking our friends, neighbors, and mostly poor people to jail for weed, then count me in. I will get my ass-kicking shoes on.
     
    Mickey Martin
     
    T-Comp Consulting Director
     
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
     
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
     
    www.tcompconsulting.com
     
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    s..s@a2c2.us Jun 22 02:12PM  

    " My wish list would be that the California medical board would crack down on the doctors that give recommendations to anyone with a scrapped knee." Marla James
     
    Marla, let me ask you a simple question:
     
    Q: If you agree that Cannabis is safer than beer then why in heaven would you need a "card," a doctors approval etc. to use Cannabis as an adult: for any reason including simply to get "high?"
     
    It saddens me, nearly 2 years after Jack Herer's untimely death, that his message would ALREADY be getting lost. I knew Jack for over 20 years and have read various incarnations of "The Emperor" many times. His primary message was the Cannabis became illegal in 1937 primarily because it was a threat to oil, paper and synthetics industries. And just before he collapsed at HempStalk he made the prophetic statement that the government should not get a single dollar from the taxation of Cannabis.
     
    Jack certainly acknowledged the medical benefits of Cannabis but also saw it as a spiritual medicine. But he really never liked the "medical approach" and only accepted it because it was the only path that Soros, Lewis and Sperling would support. But these same assholes have since been supporting initiatives that I believe were really intended to ultimately give our plant over to Big Pharma and Monsanto: companies these assholes hold significant holdings.
     
    The bottom line is (1) you should no more need a "card" to smoke Marijuana than you would need a "card" to drink a beer, and (2) we need to free Cannabis as an alternative to paper, oil, synthetics and to reduce our carbon footprint in the process.
     
    Our best course forward would be to redirect our energies beyond "Medical Marijuana." It served its purpose. But we now have about 56% of America now supporting full legalization and I think it time we stop accepting a few scraps from the Globalists table, when we could instead enjoy the full 5 course meal. So, to me, the best course forward is to insure that Cannabis remains part of the "commons" so that there is no way it can be monopolized or used as an excuse to rob us of our liberties, our homes, our cars or to be thrown into a jail cell for years.
     
    The wind is at our back. The judgement of the moon and the stars is in our favor. So let us legalize Cannabis in such a way that it becomes part of our transition beyond the failed "Petro Corporate Ponzi" Epoch. Let us transition toward sustainable, localized economies while robbing the Global Elites of the leverage they have long had to enslave all of us.
     
    Get me drift?
     
    Bruce W. Cain
    ===========
     
    "The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre."
    Frank Zappa.
     
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    —– Original Message —–
    Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 5:16:00 PM
     
     
    Mickey,
    You are so right. Our fight is for safe access for patients. As long as the Federal Government believes that cannabis has no medical use, we lose. The Feds make a lot of money from"the drug war". My wish list would be that the California medical board would crack down on the doctors that give recommendations to anyone with a scrapped knee. That is why many city councils look at medical marijuana as a "farce" . We are a very divided group. So many personal dramas. Its very tiring.
    Marla in Huntington Beach
     
     
    On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Mickey Martin < s..s@a2c2.us > wrote:
     
     
     
     
     
    You somewhat miss the point. The point is simple….all use is not medical as determined by the society we live in.
     
     
    You can argue until we are blue in the face, but that is the fact. We can continue to try and convince the world that everything that goes on in the medical cannabis industry is 100% medical related; but the fact is that this argument is losing. Our communities are rejecting this notion resoundingly, as more bans and limitations continue to be put forth to stop the perceived out of control industry.
     
     
    On October 7th, 2011 the 4 US Attorneys for CA did a press conference announcing that they were launching a crckdown. The basis for this crackdown was widespread abuses in the system, but do not take my word for it…here is a piece from the LA Times that explains it a bit better:
     
     
     
    Birotte said the new strategy was not triggered by any specific event but was inspired by a stream of complaints from California law enforcement officials. The crackdown announced Friday came after months of consultation between the U.S. attorneys and Justice Department officials in Washington. The prosecutors acknowledged that they are not getting more money or prosecutors.
    Steve Cooley, the Los Angeles County district attorney, predicted that intense coordination with federal prosecutors would make a huge difference. "It's advancing in the right direction from our perspective," he said. In Los Angeles, Jane Usher, a special assistant city attorney, said her office intended to work closely with Birotte's. "We're gratified that they see what we see, which is what began as an opportunity to help seriously ill patients has evolved into storefront drug sales and trafficking," she said.
    Source: http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/07/local/la-me-obama-medical-marijuana-20111008
    Our reality is that we have overplayed the medical card. Where was all this "straighten up and fly right" rhetoric a year ago when cannabis moguls were doing well and there was no crackdown? The money was flowing, and nobody gave a shit. Now all of the sudden there is an issue? Why? Because the US Attorneys said there is an issue, that is why…..and that issue is that they do not think this industry is legit in its current form.
     
     
    So it is not me you have to convince. It is the guys with the guns…but I assure you if we are fighting the battle on their terms, we are losing…..but you do not need me to tell you that. Just look around…..
     
     
    Mickey
     
     
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
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    Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:55 PM
     
     
    MIckey: You are a victim of your socialization. I refuse to concede to the general point of view. That pov perceives those who behave badly as bad. Prisons are designed to punish. What if we saw that no one in their right mind would murder, rape, steal? Insanity defense all around! Of course people have to be sequestered from harming others if they are prone to violence and theft, but their incarceration ought to include means for them to be healed and productive to what ever extent that is possible.
     
    You probably think that is off topic and naive also, but what I see is your dismay at the notion that all use is medical derives from some common perception that someone who wants to drink a bottle of Nyquilt or smoke til they drop is somehow undeserving of what relief they get from doing that. "The abuse of a drug is its own punishment" so why would folks punish themselves? BEcause they are sick in ways that are not commonly accepted, but I assure you, they are ill. Your discomfort about them is a kind of extension of our Puritan roots.
     
    I have consistantly said that all use is not medical because I am willing to allow that recreation is more a spiritual practice than a medical response to disease consideration. In this point of view I am able to point at the origins of holiday that is Holy day, the concept of a day of rest, the real meaning of recreation that is re=creation, and the origin of vacation in vacating oneself from daily concerns and opening to a new self reborn from that practice.
     
    Our society is uncomfortable with a religious pov that extends into a world view that encompasses how a person lives their daily lives. Daily cannabis use is uplifting for some, and probably keeps them from the diseases that would mandate that they use it medicinally daily.
     
    I think that freedom means that a person can choose to fck themselves up. I am a doctor and would rather they did not, but hell I am a human first and I want to do what I want and as long as you do not harm me, I stand by your right to do what you want. That will always be my primary start for how I approach life and those around me.
     
    I do understand what the majority think, but I will stand for the truth and logic. It is illogical to chide people for what they do and to imprison them for what they do if they do not hurt others. So of course we are on the same side, no one in prison for having a relation with hemp, cannabis, weed. If there ever were a bad law that is based on lies and illogic and greed well there it is.
     
    So if we can not get people to agree to all use is medical or to the idea that people have the right to be free, or that people have a right to take a substance as part of their spiritual religious practice, then we are dealing with Puritans. That is the socialization that we have underlying our society and those people were fanatics who had little tolerance for anything other than their herd mentality agreed upon.
     
    I will always stand for each person's right to be an individual. Without that, there is no freedom.
     
     
    On Jun 20, 2012, Mickey Martin < s..s@a2c2.us > wrote:
     
    <blockquote>
     
     
    What the fuck are we fighting for anyway? Posted by Mickey Martin on June 20th, 2012
     
     
    The longer and harder I try to figure this out, the further I always seem from finding an answer. What the fuck are we fighting for anyway? Who knows any more?
    I always thought we were fighting for cannabis freedom. Real cannabis freedom….you know, grown-ass people being able to use weed for whatever they want whenever they want. Pretty simple stuff, right? How do we get more people to be able to use and grow weed legally without the fear of going to prison, losing their rights, or being considered an outcast? How do we get our society to quit taking people to jail for weed ?
    But somewhere along the line shit has gotten complicated. The first real reforms passed that allowed for a certain class of people to use cannabis without going to jail, or suffering consequences, were medical cannabis laws. It was easy to see how sick and dying people that found relief from cannabis should be allowed to use weed without fear of being arrested or losing their position in society. Medical cannabis is a no-brainer. The reason medical marijuana support is around 70-80% of our society is because only a real asshole would think that a sick person should be arrested for using weed if it helps them to feel better. Medical should be a given. And in some states it was for a minute….kind of, sort of, not really…..but close enough.
    But then EVERYONE got hella sick. All of the sudden any and every ailment ever had by a person was an ongoing and chronic condition that only cannabis could heal. We convinced ourselves that if we justified every cannabis use as a medical procedure that we would be afforded the same glorious protections as the sickest chemo patient.
    Now all of the sudden the Choom Gangs were no longer choomed out, but instead they were very ill and in need of some serious medicine. Fire up the fat-ass blunt so a brother can get his medicine on already.
    Six-foot bong rips are medicine. Check.
    My doctor’s office is at a Cypress Hill show. Check.
    I eat 500mg THC brownies (as much as an ENTIRE BOTTLE of the strongest dose Marinol) because I am so sick that only a dosage that makes me drool on myself will suffice. Check.
    I fire up mad torches and hit the one gram globs because I have such a severe medical condition that only ridiculous amounts of pure concentrate to the face will work for my pain. Check.
    “What are you saying, Mickey?”….I am saying that we are full of shit…..
    We have been half brainwashed by the allowance of medical cannabis and have forgotten what the fuck we are fighting for. Medical cannabis has been successful in advancing our cause, and in no way am I demeaning the real medical effects cannabis has on MANY people who truly need it. I am not saying everyone is full of shit, but I am saying that much of the activity that we have deemed ”medicating” is just way the fuck beyond medical dosages, applications, and use. If I have a bottle of Nyquil, and I take the 2 tablespoons of Nyquil before bed because I feel like shit, then I am medicating. If I drink the entire bottle of Nyquil in an effort to get fucked up and pass out “so I can rest” then I am not really medicating any more at that point, am I? I have gone beyond a medical application to a choice of wanting to be more fucked up and to just go to sleep. But I do not think there is a doctor alive who would recommend drinking a bottle of Nyquil so you could get the spins and pass out for 12 hours…..
    Yet, this is what we see in our “medical” industry. The usage rates and common practices do not coincide with the realities of our medical standards for treatment. Why? Because most of us, even people with legitimate medical concerns as I have, often use cannabis for much more than our medical afflictions. It is a social thing, no doubt. I do not ask my buddies if they want to share my antibiotics, or even my pain meds (though some I am sure wish I would). We do not stand in a circle and pop Vicodin together and discuss them. I do not load up as many Ibuprofen as I can and see if I can finish them all.
    Cannabis is different…..and I can hear the diehard medical only fanatics now….”Cannabis is a plant, Mickey. The social benefits of using it are also medical.”
    So we can say the same about booze, and even coffee then, right? So every bar is now a medical dispensary because they dispense social well-being and liquid courage? Is shopping medical, because I do feel beter when getting new shit. Does my insurance cover that?
    Where I am going with this is that we have lost our focus and have allowed for the watering down of what is medical, and what is not, interfere with reality. The result has been an ongoing effort to crackdown on the “medical” industry, and to regulate the shit out of it similar to other medicines in our society. We have continued to declare that patients rights are the only rights we

     

    Marla James <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 22 07:28AM -0700  

    I do understand where you are coming from, but the current law requires a
    recommendation. Marijuana for all is a good thing, but reality is that many
    city councils blame the dispensaries for what a bad doctor does. Right now
    I am thinking baby steps. I speak before many city councils who absolutely
    don't understand what collectives really are. We try and educate. Some just
    don't get it, or don't want to get it.
    Marla in Huntington Beach
     

     

    a speciale <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 22 08:52AM -0700  

    Shame on you! You do not speak for Jack. How dare you try to label your words and feelings as Jacks now that he is dead. Absolutely disgusting. None of us can say what Jack would think now, but I know what he said and did when he was alive. Jack said over and over he was as proud as a pappa of his 'kids' from the bus that went on to open collectives. Me, Debbie. Rick and others that operate collectives all traveled the country with Jack on Hemp Tour spreading our message of hemp for food, fuel, fibre,fun and medicine. Traveling on the bus we had a lot of time to talk and we all had a lot of opinions about a lot of things, like free weed for everyone and no cops or governments either, but one thing I never heard from Jack was hate. Our collective threw Jacks birthday parties and he was at every grand opening of our collectives to show his support. To now use Jack to further your dividing agenda is disgraceful to his memory and a lie, and about what I would expect from someone who is at the same time crying screw the system, but please vote for me for president. I agree, a free soul should not need a card for cannabis or a license to drive or be required to pay taxes to a government one does not believe in, but that's the society we live in. If you want to fight to abolish all laws as they impinge on all freedoms, that would make more sense than to agree to follow some systems of rules like participating in presidential elections and carrying a drivers license, while putting down others for also participating in societal laws and customs such as cannabis regulation.
     

     

    Choicehealthmutual <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 22 09:51AM -0700  

    Ok people I've watched this email group go through alot of whinning, bitching and fighting to only come to this sad ending as "oh no were losing". It's time to discuss a plan of action and get EVERYONE on the same page. What are we working with? The medical side is implemented so let's ride it till the wheels fall off. It's keeping people out of jail and provides access and that to me is number one! Thank you doctors for givin prescriptions for scrapped knees! At least they are on the front line doing what they can! The biggest problem I see with the cannabis community is there is no face of leadership. No one who looks professional enough for the political world representing the cannabis community that stands out above the rest. There have been many foot soldiers but we need a king someone who is charismatic with the ability to preach our story. For me that is what this movement misses is a cannabis Martin Luther King! It doesn't matter what side of the fence you are on at the end of the day we all want the same thing. So my suggestions would be stop crying and fighting each other and figure what plan of action needs to be taken for the end result of full legalization no matter how long it takes. Just use the tools we have at our disposal and run with it. Oh and make sure we stay within reasonable site of reality meaning the Feds are not going to allow complete legalization over night or none taxation. It will be regulated it will be taxed just like everything else so unless you plan on changing the government we need to be realistic and reasonable. Just my two cents.
     
    Nick
     

     

    <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 22 11:36AM -0700  

    Hello all,
     
    I do occasionally follow the "Save Cannabis" threads, but mostly I get way too depressed seeing all the fighting.
     
    For any of you who know me, I am about the medicine of cannabis; dosable capsules/extracts – mostly rich CBD with one coming out in a couple of weeks that is 26:1 CBD:THC.
     
    There is medicine, great medicine, in cannabis, but the stores and docs have truly blown it.
     
    Anyone serious with regard to the medicine should consider the best cannabis medicine:
     
    1. The entire future is dosable and mostly Cannbidiol based. Again, I am not referring to social cannabis use; just medical with the collectives not only to not promote, but often do their best to ignore.
     
    2. Doctors have been equally guilty opening cheap clinics where the "card" but no patient education is promoted. I got a recent rec from one of the beach front docs. The really sad part was that there were really a few sick older patients there because they just don't know there is anything better. Do you really think a 70 y/o patient who has never smoked before, wants to smoke? Of course not. So, they try drinks, edibles and often become toxic. Shouldn't they at least hear that CBD is what they need?
     
    3. GW Pharma and Sativex, a cannabinoid extract made in England and already distributed in six countries, will be in the US within two years. This is real medicine. You know what is in it and how much to try and then you can repeat the same dose. As in #2, it is all rich CBD.
     
    4. Can you imagine Sativex landing in the US and someone holds up a rice krispy treat in one hand and a bottle of Sativex in the other;??? we will all look like morons.
     
    5. When a group of us is standing around smoking and say to some "ney-sayer" that we are medicating, I always state that I am just getting ripped. Medicating? Really? Please.
     
    6. So, the collectives and nearly every doc should share in this responsibility. They each bred one another in sort of a "southern style"….if you know what I mean.
     
    So, what should we do? At the very least, people involved need to STOP FIGHTING WITH EVERYONE. Pick your battle, whether legalization or medical and keep our arguments cogent.
     
    I think it is ok to state that the collectives sprung up as mostly social cannabis stores because that is what people either wanted or THOUGHT they wanted. Legalization in my opinion does not fully equal "medical cannabis". I do believe, or certainly hope, that as the cities, state and feds have to face REAL MEDICINE, the medicine issue will get resolved, but it might not happen with just "legalization"; we will have to incorporate that ancient notion of "science".
     
    What SHOULD happen, but will never happen on it's own, is that every doc and collective president/"owner" should ask themselves what they are REALLY doing. If it is social, fine, but don't claim it to be medical. At least there is honesty. At the same time, all need to look into HOW they can represent the incredible cannabis medicine in a more professional way. If not, they should all close until we have a Ballot initiative that passes; which means working together.
     
    Whatever we do, let's all not forget that it is the medicine that supposedly got us here; why not truly focus on it going forward.
     
    Allan I Frankel, MD
     
    ——– Original Message ——–
     
     
     
     
     
    Mickey,
     
    You are so right. Our fight is for safe access for patients. As long as the Federal Government believes that cannabis has no medical use, we lose. The Feds make a lot of money from"the drug war". My wish list would be that the California medical board would crack down on the doctors that give recommendations to anyone with a scrapped knee. That is why many city councils look at medical marijuana as a "farce" . We are a very divided group. So many personal dramas. Its very tiring.
     
    Marla in Huntington Beach
     
    On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
     
    You somewhat miss the point. The point is simple….all use is not medical as determined by the society we live in.
     
    You can argue until we are blue in the face, but that is the fact. We can continue to try and convince the world that everything that goes on in the medical cannabis industry is 100% medical related; but the fact is that this argument is losing. Our communities are rejecting this notion resoundingly, as more bans and limitations continue to be put forth to stop the perceived out of control industry.
     
    On October 7th, 2011 the 4 US Attorneys for CA did a press conference announcing that they were launching a crckdown. The basis for this crackdown was widespread abuses in the system, but do not take my word for it…here is a piece from the LA Times that explains it a bit better:
     
    Birotte said the new strategy was not triggered by any specific event but was inspired by a stream of complaints from California law enforcement officials. The crackdown announced Friday came after months of consultation between the US attorneys and Justice Department officials in Washington. The prosecutors acknowledged that they are not getting more money or prosecutors.
     
    Steve Cooley, the Los Angeles County district attorney, predicted that intense coordination with federal prosecutors would make a huge difference. "It's advancing in the right direction from our perspective," he said. In Los Angeles, Jane Usher, a special assistant city attorney, said her office intended to work closely with Birotte's. "We're gratified that they see what we see, which is what began as an opportunity to help seriously ill patients has evolved into storefront drug sales and trafficking," she said.
     
    Source: http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/07/local/la-me-obama-medical-marijuana-20111008
     
    Our reality is that we have overplayed the medical card. Where was all this "straighten up and fly right" rhetoric a year ago when cannabis moguls were doing well and there was no crackdown? The money was flowing, and nobody gave a shit. Now all of the sudden there is an issue? Why? Because the US Attorneys said there is an issue, that is why…..and that issue is that they do not think this industry is legit in its current form.
     
    So it is not me you have to convince. It is the guys with the guns…but I assure you if we are fighting the battle on their terms, we are losing…..but you do not need me to tell you that. Just look around…..
     
    Mickey
     
    Mickey Martin
     
    T-Comp Consulting Director
     
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
     
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
     
    www.tcompconsulting.com
     
    s..s@a2c2.us
     
    (phone#-removed)
     
    http://twitter.com/micKEYmarTIN
     
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***
     
     
     
    Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:55 PM
     
     
    MIckey: You are a victim of your socialization. I refuse to concede to the general point of view. That pov perceives those who behave badly as bad. Prisons are designed to punish. What if we saw that no one in their right mind would murder, rape, steal? Insanity defense all around! Of course people have to be sequestered from harming others if they are prone to violence and theft, but their incarceration ought to include means for them to be healed and productive to what ever extent that is possible.
     
    You probably think that is off topic and naive also, but what I see is your dismay at the notion that all use is medical derives from some common perception that someone who wants to drink a bottle of Nyquilt or smoke til they drop is somehow undeserving of what relief they get from doing that. "The abuse of a drug is its own punishment" so why would folks punish themselves? BEcause they are sick in ways that are not commonly accepted, but I assure you, they are ill. Your discomfort about them is a kind of extension of our Puritan roots.
     
    I have consistantly said that all use is not medical because I am willing to allow that recreation is more a spiritual practice than a medical response to disease consideration. In this point of view I am able to point at the origins of holiday that is Holy day, the concept of a day of rest, the real meaning of recreation that is re=creation, and the origin of vacation in vacating oneself from daily concerns and opening to a new self reborn from that practice.
     
    Our society is uncomfortable with a religious pov that extends into a world view that encompasses how a person lives their daily lives. Daily cannabis use is uplifting for some, and probably keeps them from the diseases that would mandate that they use it medicinally daily.
     
    I think that freedom means that a person can choose to fck themselves up. I am a doctor and would rather they did not, but hell I am a human first and I want to do what I want and as long as you do not harm me, I stand by your right to do what you want. That will always be my primary start for how I approach life and those around me.
     
    I do understand what the majority think, but I will stand for the truth and logic. It is illogical to chide people for what they do and to imprison them for what they do if they do not hurt others. So of course we are on the same side, no one in prison for having a relation with hemp, cannabis, weed. If there ever were a bad law that is based on lies and illogic and greed well there it is.
     
    So if we can not get people to agree to all use is medical or to the idea that people have the right to be free, or that people have a right to take a substance as part of their spiritual religious practice, then we are dealing with Puritans. That is the socialization that we have underlying our society and those people were fanatics who had little tolerance for anything other than their herd mentality agreed upon.
     
    I will always stand for each person's right to be an individual. Without that, there is no freedom.
     
    On Jun 20, 2012, Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
     
    What the fuck are we fighting for anyway?Posted by Mickey Martin on June 20th, 2012
     
    The longer and harder I try to figure this out, the further I always seem from finding an answer. What the fuck are we fighting for anyway? Who knows any more?
     
    I always thought we were fighting for cannabis freedom. Real cannabis freedom….you know, grown-ass people being able to use weed for whatever they want whenever they want. Pretty simple stuff, right? How do we get more people to be able to use and grow weed legally without the fear of going to prison, losing their rights, or being considered an outcast? How do we get our society to quit taking people to jail for weed?
     
    But somewhere along the line shit has gotten complicated. The first real reforms passed that allowed for a certain class of people to use cannabis without going to jail, or suffering consequences, were medical cannabis laws. It was easy to see how sick and dying people that found relief from cannabis should be allowed to use weed without fear of being arrested or losing their position in society. Medical cannabis is a no-brainer. The reason medical marijuana support is around 70-80% of our society is because only a real asshole would think that a sick person should be arrested for using weed if it helps them to feel better. Medical should be a given. And in some states it was for a minute….kind of, sort of, not really…..but close enough.
     
    But then EVERYONE got hella sick. All of the sudden any and every ailment ever had by a person was an ongoing and chronic condition that only cannabis could heal. We convinced ourselves that if we justified every cannabis use as a medical procedure that we would be afforded the same glorious protections as the sickest chemo patient.
     
    Now all of the sudden the Choom Gangs were no longer choomed out, but instead they were very ill and in need of some serious medicine. Fire up the fat-ass blunt so a brother can get his medicine on already.
     
    Six-foot bong rips are medicine. Check.
     
    My doctor's office is at a Cypress Hill show. Check.
     
    I eat 500mg THC brownies (as much as an ENTIRE BOTTLE of the strongest dose Marinol) because I am so sick that only a dosage that makes me drool on myself will suffice. Check.
     
    I fire up mad torches and hit the one gram globs because I have such a severe medical condition that only ridiculous amounts of pure concentrate to the face will work for my pain. Check.
     
    “What are you saying, Mickey?”….I am saying that we are full of shit…..
     
    We have been half brainwashed by the allowance of medical cannabis and have forgotten what the fuck we are fighting for. Medical cannabis has been successful in advancing our cause, and in no way am I demeaning the real medical effects cannabis has on MANY people who truly need it. I am not saying everyone is full of shit, but I am saying that much of the activity that we have deemed ”medicating” is just way the fuck beyond medical dosages, applications, and use. If I have a bottle of Nyquil, and I take the 2 tablespoons of Nyquil before bed because I feel like shit, then I am medicating. If I drink the entire bottle of Nyquil in an effort to get fucked up and pass out “so I can rest” then I am not really medicating any more at that point, am I? I have gone beyond a medical application to a choice of wanting to be more fucked up and to just go to sleep. But I do not think there is a doctor alive who would recommend drinking a bottle of Nyquil so you could get the spins and pass out for 12 hours…..
     
    Yet, this is what we see in our “medical” industry. The usage rates and common practices do not coincide with the realities of our medical standards for treatment. Why? Because most of us, even people with legitimate medical concerns as I have, often use cannabis for much more than our medical afflictions. It is a social thing, no doubt. I do not ask my buddies if they want to share my antibiotics, or even my pain meds (though some I am sure wish I would). We do not stand in a circle and pop Vicodin together and discuss them. I do not load up as many Ibuprofen as I can and see if I can finish them all.
     
    Cannabis is different…..and I can hear the diehard medical only fanatics now….”Cannabis is a plant, Mickey. The social benefits of using it are also medical.”
     
    So we can say the same about booze, and even coffee then, right? So every bar is now a medical dispensary because they dispense social well-being and liquid courage? Is shopping medical, because I do feel beter when getting new shit. Does my insurance cover that?
     
    Where I am going with this is that we have lost our focus and have allowed for the watering down of what is medical, and what is not, interfere with reality. The result has been an ongoing effort to crackdown on the “medical” industry, and to regulate the shit out of it similar to other medicines in our society. We have continued to declare that patients rights are the only rights we need for cannabis users, and have gotten tunnel vision. Now that tunnel vision is being used to kill us off.
     
    There is no shortage of media and news coverage questioning the legitimacy of our medical industry. It is the big joke in our society. Everyone gets it. We can see pretty clearly that a lot of people also do not think it is funny.
     
    So we are losing our place in society and our seat at the table. Our industry swelled in 2010 after the Ogden memo, and is rapidly shrinking as the crackdown continues. Great operators are losing their position and livelihood from landlord letters, sanctions, lawsuits, and raids. Dispensaries, growers, producers, and patients

     

    "Dr. David Bearman" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 22 02:58PM -0400  

    sad to say the California Medical Board is in.competent and hen it comes to medicinal cannabis they are the ones that need to be investigated because they are woefully uneducated. Further they seem to have a separate set of guidelines for the recommending of cannabis that does not seem to apply to HMOs,county clinics, community clinics and the prescribing of Viagra or Cialis. I know their lack of expertise in quality assurance matters because for 14 years I was the Medical Director of the oldest Medicaid managed care ;program in the country and quality assurance was one of my responsibilities.
    No. The best way to deal with this is not to honour recommendations from any doctor who rites more than 25 recommendations unless they have met certain standards or are accredited by the county,state or the American Academy of Cannabinoid Medicine.
    Peace
    Davod Bearman,M.D.
     

     

    Marla James <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 22 12:10PM -0700  

    I agree with you. I have seen doctors that don't touch patients, see
    patients by skype and even presign recommendations having P.A.s see the
    patients. I work for a MMJ doctor verifying patients for dispensaries. The
    doctor I work for will not give a recommendation without medical records
    from the patient's GP. It is important that if a person wants MMJ for
    headaches, that he has been seen to rule out brain tumors.
    Marla
     

     

    Bud <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 22 01:05PM -0700  

    I too have heard many people criticize "pot docs" for handing out
    recommendations too easily, and sometimes the strongest criticism has come
    from collective operators who are tired of sitting in the hot seat alone.
    However, I draw the line at asking the Medical Board to crack down for two
    reasons: 1. It's not like they need any encouragement; every cannabis
    physician is on the Med Board's watch list from Day One, and 2. Reducing
    the number of physicians who recommend cannabis (the ultimate goal of a
    crackdown, right?) will reduce patient access while doing absolutely
    nothing to improve our standing in society as a whole.
     
    The doctor is just one piece of the puzzle, after all. I've lost count of
    how many times I've heard non-users demand that cannabis be dispensed at
    Walgreens and Rite-Aid instead of some mom-and-pop collective that opens up
    a storefront and calls it good. People aren't stupid; they see that the
    patients who patronize collectives look and act differently than patients
    lined up at a typical pharmacy. They serve needy patients, yes, but also a
    bunch of younger adults — mainly men — who look pretty darn healthy to
    our untrained eyes. This social disconnect cannot and should not be blamed
    on cannabis physicians; if they wrote prescriptions for pharmaceuticals
    instead, half the MMJ community would accuse them of being shills for Big
    Pharma.
     
    Doctors can't win. Collectives can't win. Patients can't win, not in a
    politically charged environment where the blame game runs 24/7 (this e-mail
    list being a good example). Before we go asking for sanctions on pot docs,
    collective operators in particular should think twice. Their ability to
    serve so-called "legitimate" patients is often subsidized by purchases from
    healthier individuals. Whatever we may think of those "illegitimate"
    patients, they help ensure medicine gets to the patients who need cannabis
    the most. Society at large thinks we're all stoners anyway, so tweaking the
    mix of patients by tweaking the mix of doctors is a losing proposition.
     

     

    s..s@a2c2.us Jun 22 03:39PM -0400  

     

    "Patient Advocacy Network" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 21 03:28PM -0700  

    Greetings Patient Advocates –
     
    There are many rumors circulating about the LA City Council meeting
    tomorrow. However, the ban on dispensaries is still on the agenda.
    http://ens.lacity.org/clk/councilagendas/clkcouncilagenda(phone#-removed)2012.pdf
     
    While Council has the discretion to take different courses of action
    tomorrow, removing the agenda item is not one of them. However, it may
    get continued or tabled, etc.
     
    Because it IS on the agenda, the BAN cannot be discussed during GENERAL
    public comment but patients can address their need for safe, affordable
    medical cannabis without mentioning the ban or the failed ordinance or
    lawsuits.
     
    The Council can choose to not accept speaker cards on the agenda item
    itself. Patient advocates witnessed this at yesterday's Council meeting
    when a couple dozen concerned citizens signed up to speak on the
    redistricting item on the agenda. Council President Wesson denied the
    speakers siting that public input had already been taken. The Council can
    do the same to anyone who signs up to speak on:
    ITEM NO. (2), 11-1737, 11-1737-S1 – CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION, PLANNING AND
    LAND USE MANAGEMENT and PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEES’ REPORT and ORDINANCE
    FIRST CONSIDERATION relative to amending the Los Angeles Municipal Code
    (LAMC) in response to recent appellate court decisions concerning medical
    marijuana.
     
    La Brea Collective at 5057 Pico Blvd. is hosting breakfast tomorrow at
    8:30 a.m. in their patient lounge and a caravan to City Hall for patients
    in need. That's compassion in action!
     
     
    Sincerely,
     
    Degé Coutee
    Executive & Program Director
    Patient Advocacy Network
     
    @PAN4Compassion
    www.CannabisSavesLives.org
    (323) 334-5282
     
    PAN is a charitable 501(c)(3) organization

     

 

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 21 08:59PM -0700  

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    in Woodland Hills
     
    Marijuana Raids at Green Joy, Green Magic Dispensaries in Woodland Hills
     
    By Dennis Romero
     
    Wed., Jun. 20 2012 at 8:04 AM
     
    http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2012/06/marijuana_raid_dispensaries_woodland_hills_lapd.php
     
    Cops raided a pair of marijuana dispensaries in Woodland Hills yesterday
    for alleged "illegal sales" of marijuana, the LAPD said in a statement last
    night.
     
    The department wouldn't reveal which pot shops were hit, but a witness told
    the Weekly they were Green Joy at 22851 Ventura Blvd. and Green Magic at
    23002 Ventura Blvd.
     
    The LAPD scheduled a press conference for 1:30 p.m. today at the Topanga
    Area Community Police Station, 21501 Schoenborn St. The department states:
     
    Items recovered and on display will include marijuana, hashish,
    narcotics paraphernalia, money and other evidence of the illegal sales of
    marijuana.
     
    The search warrant raids were carried out by Topanga Divison narcotics
    officers, according to the LAPD.
     
    The two pot shops, we were told, are "sister stores." At least one person
    was seen being taken into custody, and an owner was still apparently being
    sought, our source said.
     
    The raids come only days from an expected vote by the L.A. City Council
    that could wipe out all of the city's dispensaries.
     
    Cannabis shop owners met last night at the Millennium Biltmore Hotel
    downtown, we were told, and some believed that three dozen or so other
    additional outlets were being targeted by cops.
     
    While sharing marijuana with the medically needy in California is legal,
    police have argued that selling it for profit is not.
     
    The LAPD has been on a tear in the Valley, with the department boasting
    that it had wiped out all cannabis stores in its Devonshire Division.
     
    [@dennisjromero / s..s@a2c2.us / @LAWeeklyNews]
     
    http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2012/06/marijuana_raid_dispensaries_woodland_hills_lapd.php
     
    **************
     
    Sincerely,
     
    Degé Coutee
    Executive & Program Director
    Patient Advocacy Network
     
    @PAN4Compassion
    www.CannabisSavesLives.org
    (323) 334-5282
     
    PAN is a charitable 501(c)(3) organization
     
     
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    Bud <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 21 02:39PM -0700  

    You can track changes through this website,
    http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/ Type AB 2312 in the Quick Search box at
    the top right, then click on the link for AB-2312. When the bill pops up
    there are several navigational tabs; choose the "text" tab at the far left.
    The amended text that was added is shown in blue; the text stricken from
    the original version is shown in red, strike-through text.
     
     
     

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 21 08:48PM -0700  

    HI Folks… Lets ask curtis from toms office to forward bill as it
    stands. I think everyone wants to get a list of suggested amends
    going. Some of which are oversight of board. Define seats incld an
    honest defition of patient advocate. Not registering and exposing
    cultivators to further federal risk. Define afforable/prevent fining
    and fee small colectives of map . Do not create "new crimes" regarding
    cannabis ever ! Just a few. Its time for true unity and taking all of
    our input and creating something workable for all not something
    creating a state monopoly for afew millionaires. Thank you!
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    "Patient Advocacy Network" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 21 02:17PM -0700  

    For Immediate Release
     
    Contact: Patient Advocacy Network
    s..s@a2c2.us
    CannabisSavesLive.org
     
     
    Los Angeles City Council Considers Ban On Medical Cannabis Dispensaries
    Patient Advocates Present Resolution To Regulate Local Patient Centers
     
    LOS ANGELES, CA – Patient advocates in Los Angeles presented a resolution
    this week to the Los Angeles City Council to regulate the area’s medical
    cannabis dispensaries in hopes of halting a potential ban on the
    businesses that the Council ha scheduled for its June 22, 2012, meeting.
    (Resolution text –
    http://panorg.blogspot.com/2012/06/resolution-by-people-of-los-angeles-to.html)
     
    For several weeks Los Angeles City Council members have held hearings to
    determine if the City should ban the over 800 existing medical cannabis
    collectives instead of regulating them like the cities of West Hollywood
    and San Francisco. The City of Los Angeles passed a restrictive ordinance
    in 2010 that sparked dozens of lawsuits costing the City untold hundreds
    of thousands of dollars. The dispensaries have won numerous challenges to
    the City’s law and scores of dispensaries continue to open because of
    unenforceability issues.
     
    Patient advocates argue that Los Angeles city officials are just playing
    politics. “The Council can provide no reason for a ban other than lawsuits
    and some falsified crime statistics. It’s as if they’ve lost the game, so
    they’re going to take their ordinance and go home, no matter what a ban
    costs the City and its residents,” states Degé Coutee, president of
    Patient Advocacy Network, an education and advocacy organization for
    medical cannabis patients based in Los Angeles.
     
    During that days leading up the Council’s vote this Friday, patients and
    dispensary operators have spoken at City Hall voicing concerns about the
    ban. Many stated to the Council that a ban will only create more lawsuits
    and regulating the businesses appropriately is the safest alternative for
    patients and the City. Patients spoke about fears of having to go to the
    black market. In response to local patients, advocates drafted a
    resolution with guidelines for the City’s dispensaries and presented to
    the Council this week.
     
    “It’s frustrating to hear council members say on the record that they
    don’t know what to do or how to manage the situation. They DO but they
    just WON’T,” states Coutee. “So, we presented a resolution to the Council
    on record so they cannot deny that a solution was indeed presented to them
    by patients and concerned community members.”
     
    The Los Angeles City Council will meet Friday, June 22, 2012, at 10 a.m.
    at Los Angeles City Hall in Room 340 at 200 N. Spring Street, Los Angeles,
    CA 90012. (Link to agenda –
    http://ens.lacity.org/clk/councilagendas/clkcouncilagenda(phone#-removed)2012.pdf)
     
    ***
     
    http://www.briefingwire.com/pr/los-angeles-city-council-considers-ban-on-medical-cannabis-dispensaries
     
    #####
     
     
     
    Sincerely,
     
    Degé Coutee
    Executive & Program Director
    Patient Advocacy Network
     
    @PAN4Compassion
    www.CannabisSavesLives.org
    (323) 334-5282
     
    PAN is a charitable 501(c)(3) organization

     

    Brian Webster <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 21 01:31PM -0700  

    *Study finds no link between medical marijuana, increased teen drug use*
     
    *
    *
     
    * June 20* Source: *The Bay Citizen*
     
     
     
    *
    http://www.baycitizen.org/blogs/pulse-of-the-bay/study-says-medical-marijuana-doesnt-teen/
    *
     
    * *
     
    Researchers at three universities have found no evidence to support the
    argument that legalizing medical marijuana causes an increase in the use of
    pot or other drugs by high school students, according to a recent
    study<http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2067431>published
    on the Social Science Research Network.
     
     
     
    The study also says legalization has not significantly affected the
    availability of drugs on school campuses, which the authors note is “of
    particular interest given the recent attempts to close dispensaries
    operating near schools.” The U.S. Department of Justice has ordered some
    Bay Area marijuana clubs near schools to close, including the largest
    dispensary in California, the Berkeley Patients
    Group<http://www.baycitizen.org/blogs/pulse-of-the-bay/marijuana-pot-clubs-pelosi-crackdown/>
    .
     
     
     
    The study also found there is “little evidence that the legalization of
    medical marijuana leads to increased use of alcohol or cocaine.”
     
    The researchers used data from the national and state Youth Risk Behavior
    Surveys and other sources. The risk behavior surveys are conducted
    biennially by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
     
     
     
    The study comes on the heels of research that challenges the
    argument<http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2012/06/study_medical_marijuana_clubs.php>that
    medical marijuana dispensaries cause an increase in crime.
     
     
     
    Download the whole study here
    [PDF]<http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2067431>
    . http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2067431
     
     

    Brian Webster
    Brian Webster and Associates
    190 O'Farrell Street Suite 409
    San Francisco, CA 94102
    Office & Mobile:(phone#-removed)
    Email: s..s@a2c2.us
    Web: www.brianwebster.com
    www.workingmedia.info
     
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    Awards*
     
    *Friday February 17 in San Francisco! <http://www.ilaboral.org/2012Awards>*
    * (www.ilaboral.org/2012Awards)*
     
    *Because of you… "Our annual National Labor-Community Awards continues to
    be*
     
    *the largest event of its kind in the United States.”*
     
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June 14, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 14 Messages in 10 Topics

    CSPARC Sacramento <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 14 01:16PM -0700  

    Howdy,
     
    We are still working hard to qualify the Patients Access
    to Regulated Medical Cannabis Act of 2012 (PARMCA2012) in Sac County, but
    we need help.
     
    We need bodies on the street to gather signatures. We are paying $1.50 per
    signature, so there is a lot of opportunity to make some summer fun money.
    It is also good activism to get out in the community and educate people
    about this act and this cause.
     
    To get signed up call(phone#-removed) or email us at s..s@a2c2.us. You
    can also come right by our office at 2045 Hallmark Dr., Suite 6, in
    Sacramento (near Cal-Expo).
     
    We also need volunteers to help verify signatures in the office. We have
    vouchers from local collectives for those helping us in the office.
     
    WE STILL NEED FUNDING!!!! We are glad that signatures are now pouring in by
    the thousands, but we need to continue to pay for them. Can you donate
    even, $5, $10, or $20 to the cause to get this on the ballot. THIS IS THE
    BIGGEST MEDICAL CANNABIS VICTORY OUR COMMUNITY CAN, AND WILL HAVE THIS
    ELECTION SEASON. Help us meet our funding goals. You can visit
    www.RegulateSac.org and click on the "donate button" or go straight here:
    https://secure.piryx.com/donate/he3EtIgN/CSPARC/signatures
     
    We truly value your help and look forward to lifting the ban in Sac County
    and restoring patient access to cannabis there. Thanks.
     
     
    Kind Regards,

    The Committee for Safe Patient Access to Regulated Cannabis
    Sacramento, CA
    www.RegulateSac.org and www.CSPARC.org
    @CSPARCsac
    Find Us on FB Here<http://www.facebook.com/pages/Csparc-Sacramento(phone#-removed)741>
    Phone:(phone#-removed)
    Email: s..s@a2c2.us
     
    Confidentiality Notice:
    This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the
    meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Section
    2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by
    the sender of this message. This transmission, and any attachments, may
    contain confidential information and work product. If you are not the
    intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of
    the information contained in or attached to this transmission is STRICTLY
    PROHIBITED.

     

    Randall Morgan <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 14 12:21PM -0700  

    I'm sorry but I do not have the time to read emails
    rudely attacking people and calling them names.
     
    There are about four people on this list that seem to
    insist on personally attacking people. 
     
    I don't want to read this.  I have put up a personal
    filter to send all emails from these people to my
    spam folder.
     
    If there are others on the list that feel the same
    way, here is a link to a good explanation on how to
    set up an email filter –
     
    http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/set-email-filters-gmail-hotmail-yahoo/ 
     
    Also here is a link to a very good article about –
    "How to Give Kind Criticism, and Avoid Being Critical"
     
    http://zenhabits.net/how-to-give-kind-criticism-and-avoid-being-critical/
     
    Wishing you all a spiffy day.
     
    Randall Morgan  Santa Rosa, CA

     

    Angela Bacca <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 14 01:14PM -0700  

    Thank you. Amen. Lets be grown ups and talk about constructive ways to move
    the movement ahead not behind.
     
    Yes, the youngest person in the list is reminding you all that you are
    adults.
     
    Angela bacca

     

    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 14 11:33AM -0700  

    It is amazing to me that anyone thinks that where we are now is better than had Prop. 19 passed. I still think those people are fucking crazy.
     
    For anyone who shares Ms. Pepper's dream of some unicorn filled weed garden that we all can share from and live in harmony, I say grow the fuck up. Weed will be sold in stores one day to anyone of age. Get over it. It is going to happen. Weed is sold is stores right now if you have the right permission note from their doctors.
     
    But here is the kicker…..there is an anti-dispensary tone that I often hear from certain crazies, and I just wonder if they have ever been to a good dispensary. People love dispensaries…..weed stores are cool. 
     
    I stood in the blazing sun the other day in front of El Camino the day they got raided. I say literally hundreds of people who pulled up to go to their favorite dispensing collective and they were VERY BUMMED it was closed. Why? Because PEOPLE LIKE DISPENSARIES….and they will love weed stores one day too.
     
    Most people want to take their money into a well-lit and clean spot and have a nice selection of 20+ strains to choose from, maybe a brownie and a tincture too while they are there. 99% of patients (and weedheads) have ZERO interest in planting a garden and hing they do alright enough to get some good weed. People are creatures of habit and the habit of our society is to go to a store to buy shit we like and want; and newsflash…..we do not mind paying taxes on most shit either. I like roads and education.
     
    But here is the real kicker in some of the people's medical only approach….While I do not agree with Tim Perkins often, he is 100% correct in asserting that medical only use is indeed just limited prohibition. I think people like Ron could testify that Prop. 215's affirmative defense can leave a lot to be desired depending on where you live. Those who wish to hang on to Prop. 215 for all its worth simply do not live in reality. 
     
    Medical use has run its course in CA, mostly because much of the actions and activities of this industry resemble nothing medical by our society's standards. Why? Because we have forced people who like weed to be medical patients with illnesses, and unfortunately some folks do smoke weed to get high. You can try to act like this is not the case, but you are just in denial if you do not see that. 
     
    In order to meet the terms and norms of the medical industry in our society many otherwise healthy people would be cut from eligibility, and MANY more limitations on production, labeling, packaging, handling, and dispensing WILL be added. This is inevitable. Medical classification holds a high place on the regulatory model….but we all know that. That is why any medicine that needs a doctor's authorization is kept behind bulletproof glass even at Safeway. Do we really want to continue to swear to Jesus that all use is medical until they put the weed behind bulletproof glass and severely limit who can and cannot use it and produce it?
     
    We lucked out with 215 in CA and it has allowed for a very lax system to stand and evolve here. It has been a great experiment to watch unfold over the years. But we are at a crossroads in human understanding of cannabis. We have made the medical argument quite well. Obviously nearly 80% of America believes that people who use weed for SERIOUS ILLNESSES should not go to jail. The other 20% are just assholes, I suppose. The REAL rift these day are that the medical system is a joke and being severely abused. I, for one, am glad that we have been able to abuse the system so much, myself. If it is between going to prison and lying to your doctor to grow some plants then feel free to lie to your doctor.
     
    But what is obvious with AB 2312 is that it is about conforming the "out of control" perception of the industry into a more regulated straighten up and fly right industry. In other words, less people will be able to use, sell, and produce weed. That is just a basic fact. No getting around that.
     
    Had Prop. 19 passed, medical would be a given, and adult use applications would be taking the brunt of the heat from the Feds. Weed would be cheaper and more available. The REAL medical patients would lose the stigma of the current situation and truly medical focused organizations would likely experience a bigger buy in from doctors and medical professionals, including researchers. 
     
    But we can continue to act as if the far more prohibitive circumstance of a medical only environment that is perceived to be heavily abused to the point of deploying a huge crackdown is somehow better than anyone over 21 being able to grow a few plants and get weed from a store on the cheap when they wanted it. That is the most absurd shit I have ever heard.
     
    There is a lot of room for improvement in this industry, and it is positive to have open and honest dialogue about what is happening within this movement.  It is a shame that there is not more transparency and answering of vital questions by those who we have left in charge of moving our issue forward. The question we need to ask ourselves is "does our actions and direction increase cannabis freedom for all?" If it does, we are on the right track. If it does not, we are fucked….
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..s@a2c2.us
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/micKEYmarTIN
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***

     

 

    Mendocino Medical Marijuana Advisory Board <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 14 12:46PM -0700  

    Good call, Letitia.
     
    There are a number of features in AB2312 which are straight up
    invites for abuse by the feds as well as, arguably, impermissable
    modifications of the CUA as well as basic civil rights and privacy
    protection issues under both the CA and US Constitution – right of
    privacy, medical confidentiality, and so on. It would be a lot
    quicker and better to get that crap excised from AB2312 than to
    challenge it in litigation.
     
    Some form of AB2312 is probably inevitable, and while I personally
    agree with your position, which some wags might typify as neo-
    Luddism, and "Terry's", which could perhaps be construed as hyper-
    Libertarianism, it seems realistic to expect the pile of crap is
    going to become law in some form.
     
    If we agree such is the case, lobbying effectively to rid it of
    gotchas and features that would take long, slow, expensive court
    challenges to resolve might be the most effective option at this point.
     
    In my state senate district, it would require idjicayting and
    convincing career political office occupier Wes Chesbro. Succeeding
    at that would be a mitzvah to us all. So far, I don't even know who
    might have Wes' ear, but am casting some inquiries to find out.
     
    It seems to me that this could be a useful, constructive form of
    action for such a savvy bunch of cannabis advocates to engage in
    right now.
     
    Tom Davenport for MMMAB
     
    On Jun 13, 2012, at 11:32 PM, Letitia Pepper wrote:
     

     

    Michael Levinsohn <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 14 11:08AM -0700  

    I am somewhat new to this email service, and am not quite sure what the genesis of this criticism if Chris Conrad is.
     
    Chris is perfectly capable of defemding his own honor, but let it be known that anyone who rhetorically attacks Chris Conrad is throwing a gauntlet in front of me. I will gladly pick it up, slap them with it, and duel them to the rhetorical death. Chris Conrad is a Knight of the Marijuana realm.
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

 

    Mendocino Medical Marijuana Advisory Board <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 14 12:31PM -0700  

    Malmo-Lee:
     
    Your comment to Letitia is 100% off-topic (AB2312) and 100% ad
    hominem. It's a "splendid example" of an attempt at a completely
    useless diversion of attention, a basic conjuring trick technique,
    which points the audience at some distraction which is irrelevant to
    what's really going on.
     
    What's really relevant is the awful flaws written into AB2312. It
    may also have good features. That's the topic.
     
    The ongoing useless off topic list discussion, which your
    "contribution" exemplifies, could be viewed as either a result of
    distraction (failing to keep eye on the ball where the ball equals
    the text of AB2312) or intentional attempts to divert attention from
    the real issue to create distraction and confusion. Which is yours?
     
    Tom Davenport for MMMAB
     
     
     
    On Jun 13, 2012, at 11:31 PM, David Malmo-Levine wrote:
     

     

    "Patient Advocacy Network" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 14 11:12AM -0700  

    Just so folks are clear. The motions to ban collectives are LA City
    motions, not County. Unfortunately, LA County repealed its ordinance
    sometime ago. The currently proposed bans would affect collectives
    CITY-wide. There is already a ban in LA County.
     
    Sincerely,
     
    Degé Coutee
    Executive & Program Director
    Patient Advocacy Network
     
    @PAN4Compassion
    www.CannabisSavesLives.org
    (323) 334-5282
     
    PAN is a charitable 501(c)(3) organization

     

 

    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 12 07:40PM -0700  

    I do not get Allen St. Pierre. I just don't. What a screwy angle to take on the situation. Sometimes I wonder whose side he is really on. 
     
     
    "St. Pierre said the federal ban has made medical marijuana a “high risk, high reward” business that can earn bold entrepreneurs hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollar each year. Some of those individuals are not going to be pushed out of the business by banking and property leasing challenges, he said."
     
    Yeah, Allen…we are fucking outlaws. Way to put that right out there for the kids' at Reuter's……But as a person on the front lines daily, for the record, this business is no more high risk and reward than it ever has been. Not a lot of millionaires these days, player. If anything it is a watered down version of what it once was….
     
    Speaking of hundreds of thousands of dollars each year…how much are they paying you for this drivel over there again?
     
    Are we still talking about medical marijuana? Quit taking people to jail for weed. Quit sending people's landlords letters because they sell medical weed. Whatever works. 
     
    Love, Mickey
     
     
    On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Brett Stone <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
     
    High! While many people think that I am a lawyer in real life, I am not, I just played one on tv. But I can't stop wondering if the lawsuit filed by James Shaw of Arts District Healing Center in Los Angeles and The Union of Medical Marijuana Patients in 2007 against the DEA when they were sending letters threatening landlords of medical marijuana dispensaries that resulted in a settlement that stopped the DEA from sending any more letters – "The federal case was finally settled in a mediation compromise over a two-year process where the DEA agreed to not send any more landlord letters and identified our Attorney General’s guidelines as the only discussion points in identifying what were acceptable practices for following California law." (from http://adhc.me/about/history/) – could be applied in these cases. If the DEA is working with the US Attorney's offices to identify dispensaries to target would that not viloate their agreement? Any guesses or
    responses from the legal or illegal minds? Peace –brett
     
    >MMJNEWS is free to join @ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mmjnews/?yguid=261799885
     
    >Before you criticize someone, you should first walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you do criticize them, you'll be a mile away and you'll have their shoes!
     
    >Sent from my Rotary-Dial Desk Phone®
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..s@a2c2.us
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/micKEYmarTIN
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
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    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 13 12:05AM -0700  

    BOld ? Million ? I wouldnt call the empire builders bold. Idiotic
    and shortsightd is where I would start . But I think theyre only a few
    wiseguys like this getting fattend up for the kill. Hopefuly most
    have kept their heads hearts and souls and didnt sell out ?? Take the
    bait and get greedy …..?
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    CSPARC Sacramento <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 12 07:33PM -0700  

    I do not get Allen St. Pierre. I just don't. What a screwy angle to take on
    the situation. Sometimes I wonder whose side he is really on.
     
    "St. Pierre said the federal ban has made medical marijuana a “high risk,
    high reward” business that can earn bold entrepreneurs hundreds of
    thousands or even millions of dollar each year. Some of those individuals
    are not going to be pushed out of the business by banking and property
    leasing challenges, he said."
     
    Yeah, Allen…we are fucking outlaws. Way to put that right out there for
    the kids' at Reuter's……But as a person on the front lines daily, for
    the record, this business is no more high risk and reward than it ever has
    been. Not a lot of millionaires these days, player. If anything it is a
    watered down version of what it once was….
     
    Speaking of hundreds of thousands of dollars each year…how much are they
    paying you for this drivel over there again?
     
    Are we still talking about medical marijuana? Quit taking people to jail
    for weed. Quit sending people's landlords letters because they sell medical
    weed. Whatever works.
     
    Love, Mickey
     
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    > their shoes!
     
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June 13, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 8 Messages in 5 Topics

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 11 07:59PM -0700  

    . Steve ? Realy he just called you an idiot . Dont give money to a
    lawyer to sue ? Donate to axis comunity center. Dont play into it .
    Keep yr funds and engery flowing in positive direction. And lets let
    go off the petty shit. Me you and mickey give a shit more about true
    cannabis freedom than most . Mickey ? Just say sorry for name calling
    . Lets not let some lawyer get paid becuase we dont know how to get
    along yet.
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

 

 

 

    Waverider <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 11 06:52PM -0700  

    Thanks David!
    But for those who live in California-we could have done it with the leaders of the reform movement's help'
    Emailing is easier than actually legalizing it! Now we have over 50,000 signatures -closer to 100,000 signatures and people act like legalization isn't possible!
    It's possible if everyone were to have gone out and gathered signatures ,instead of emailing back and forth!
    Thanks David and also Mickey Martin who supported us as well!

     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

    Waverider <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 11 07:12PM -0700  

    Well,thanks to the few in this group
    that actually did support us-David-thank u,and Mickey Martin supported us 100%!
    Now ,we have 50,000 signatures -and estimate up to 100,000 who have signed for 100% Legalization (21 and over )! They have also signed our petition to free Cannabis prisoners!
    We did this with $25,000! We had professional petitioners working for 25 cents a signature-almost free!
    This is news ! 50,000 have spoken! No more scratching your head people what to do-support our next campaign !
    We are the leading Cannabis campaign for 100% Legalization and have shown what we can do with limited resources ! Over 50,000 signatures with barely $25,000!
    With the support of the movement,we could have done it! This group needs to support us next time!
    We don't sit around and email-we
    Go out and Legalize It!
    Thanks ,
    Michael Jolson
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

    Bud <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 11 07:05PM -0700  

    Although it almost seems like a side argument, the potential environmental
    impact of zoning ordinances that ban outdoor cultivation could emerge as a
    useful legal strategy. The California Environmental Quality Act, unlike SB
    420, has ample case law on the books that isn't under California Supreme
    Court review. CEQA isn't bulletproof, but it has real teeth; cities and
    counties hate CEQA, which means we should buddy up to CEQA and support
    outdoor cultivation as a necessary tool for sustainable cannabis
    cultivation.
     
    Quick CEQA-for-boneheads summary: California got serious about the
    environment in the '70s, spurred in part by rapid housing development and
    flight from urban centers. The response was to require local governments to
    consider the environmental impact of all those new subdivisions and
    Walmarts, aka "projects." A project can be something as big as a new
    freeway, airport or dam, or something as small as the new Walgreens on the
    corner.
     
    For many/most projects, CEQA requires an initial review to determine
    whether potential environmental impacts exist. If so, the preparation of a
    full environmental impact report may be required. As you might expect,
    there are several types of exceptions, which we might casually call
    "loopholes" but are more formally known as "categorical exemptions." If a
    project fits into one of the exemptions, the local government is not
    required to do an initial study or full EIR.
     
    So let's use San Bernardino's
    ordinance<http://www.scribd.com/doc/59815057/San-Bernardino-County-dispensary-ban>as
    a real-life example. Every zoning ordinance or amendment to the zoning
    code requires the local board or council to make legal findings under CEQA.
    Specifically, under Section 6, "The Board finds that this Ordinance is not
    subject to environmental review under the California Environmental Quality
    Act (CEQA) pursuant to Title 14 of the California Code of Regulations
    Section 15060(c)(2) (the activity will not result in a direct or reasonably
    foreseeable indirect physical change in the environment) and Section
    15060(c)(3) (the activity is not a project as defined in Section 15378)
    because it has no potential for resulting in physical change to the
    environment, directly or indirectly."
     
    On the latter finding, there's a clear rebuttal: “Enactment and amendment
    of zoning ordinances” is a “project” under the express terms of the
    California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA). (Calif. Code of Regulations
    Sec. 15378(a)(1)) Accordingly, SB County's outdoor cultivation ban and
    dispensary ban (they did a two-fer), is a project by default under CEQA.
     
    On the former finding, it's not just enough to say there's no
    direct/indirect impact on the environment; the board has to have some sort
    of reasonable evidence supporting the statement. Unlike SB 420, CEQA puts
    the onus on local government to put up or shut up: Put up some evidence
    that supports your findings of no environmental impact, or conduct an
    initial study and possibly an EIR after that.
     
    Not all categorical exemptions are created equal. The City of Fresno is
    attempting to use the so-called "common sense" exemption to avoid doing an
    initial study of its proposed outdoor growing
    ban<http://www.fresno.gov/planningdocs/May162012/VIIIA.pdf>,
    set for adoption June 21. “Where it can be seen with certainty that
    there isno possibility that the activity in question may have a
    significant effect
    on the environment, the activity is not subject to CEQA.” (CCR Sec.
    15061(b)(3)). That's a pretty demanding standard to meet, and again the
    onus is on the city to prove its findings are reasonable. (No possibility?
    Seriously?)
     
    Although dispensary raids and other unpleasantries keep us focused on
    criminal laws, cities and counties are plowing right ahead with civil laws
    including outdoor growing bans. Because zoning ordinances all require
    environmental findings, cities and counties will look for the easy way out
    and try to adopt a categorical exemption like San Berdoo County and Fresno.
    Look for these carefully when zoning ordinances pop up, and make sure you
    put CEQA compliance on your radar along with SB 420/Prop. 215.
     
    Learn more about the carbon footprint of indoor cannabis
    cultivation<http://evan-mills.com/energy-associates/Indoor.html>
    .
     
     
     
     
    On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 2:15 PM, LANNYSWERDLOW