- Coming Together for Victory in 2014 [5 Updates]
- The CHOOM will rise again…. [1 Update]
- Carroll: Warped images of our cannabis industry – The Denver Post [1 Update]
- Judge Gray tells Starchild that he is uncategorically in favor of individual adults' right to grow cannabis [1 Update]
- The ban will not stand , etc. [1 Update]
- David Malmo-Levine <s..[email protected]> Aug 21 08:16PM -0700
What "draft"? As far as i can tell Mr. Kubby is looking for those
interested in creating one.
On 2012-08-21 7:59 PM, "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <
s..[email protected]> wrote:
How about just share the draft and be inclusive.
- Jacob Secret <s..[email protected]> Aug 21 08:45PM -0700
Quick food for thought.
The first sentence in 215 states that the Proposition is intended to legally allow patients in CA to "use and obtain" medical grade cannabis.
How can a patient "obtain" cannabis legally without an outlet todo so??
Implying that a recently diagnosed cancer patient must contribute to a grow operation so that they may "obtain" cannabis 3+ months down the road to alleviate the detrimental symptoms of cancer and the ill side-effects of the prescription drugs they are required to use is inhumane and albeit ignorant.
If a "dispensary" is not allowed by law then why does Senate Bill 420 specificly use the word despensary 5 times at the the end of the bill?
Negating and manipulating Prop. 215s spirit and language by the courts is deplorable but doesn't the word "dispensary" in S.B. 420 at least "open the scope" of 215, thus solidifying the legitimacy of them?
Final thought for the moment.
The federal government has a medical cannabis program which sends the last 4 remaining patients 7-9 pounds annually (300 cannabis sticks every 25 days).
The federal government had an intellectual body conclude that those are the sufficient amounts of cannabis required to treat their suffering patients on an annual basis.
Since many patients only have the resources to grow outdoors, shouldn't they be legally entitled to growing and having in their possession a years worth of medication thus ensuring enough medicine until the following years harvest?
Ingesting cannabis (e.g. cookies, pies, chocolate) warrants even more of the medication.
Success is our destiny.
- Lee Berger <s..[email protected]> Aug 22 10:55AM -0700
some of us in Oregon came up with this proposal which we understood to
be consistent with what Sensible Washington and Sensible California were
working on. We collected some signatures, but not enough to get a
ballot title to collect signatures to put it on the ballot.
Still in all, many of us are persuaded that this (repealing prohibitions
against cultivation and possession and requring the legislature to
regulate distribution) is the way to go.
Lee Berger, Portland
On 8/22/2012 10:37 AM, Lynnette wrote:
- Mickey Martin <s..[email protected]> Aug 22 08:51AM -0700
The CHOOM will rise again….
Posted by Mickey Martin on August 22nd, 2012
A lot of people, including myself, are down on Obama because of his failures to protect medical cannabis, his kill list, and a number of other issues that progressives like myself find very disappointing. The fact is that Barrack Obama had a lot of “very high” expectations for his Presidency, and has not been able to fulfill the hopes and dreams of every progressive and liberal (or conservative for that matter). I truly love how people in this Country believe that the President is capable of changing, or responsible for, every issue we face as a nation and a planet. I’ll be damned if one guy cannot fix the second worst economy in our history, deal with two wars he did not start, end global warming, end the drug war, advance gay rights, solve immigration, and solve every other major problem facing us with a congress bent on blocking EVERY effort pur forth by himself in 44 months. I mean really…what the fuck did this guy think we hired him for
But what is the other option, at this point? Big Mitt Romney? That seems to be what some advocates are suggesting; that since we are so upset that Obama has failed to call of the dogs at the DOJ we should somehow be okay with “surviving a Romney Presidency.” You bumped your fucking head if that is your true feelings.
What kind of fucking loser would turn over appointing the next probably at least two Supreme Court justices up to a prick like Romney? I mean seriously….have you people ever heard of the word “personhood?” Do you have any idea of how disastrous a Romney presidency would be to not just our movement, not even just our Nation, but the entire fucking planet? You have got to be shitting me that you believe anywhere deep in your heart that that is truly even a fucking option. If so, you are the fucking enemy….not Obama.
Obama is an asshole politician. A person who thinks Mitt Romney is no worse than Obama is a fucking loser with their head so far up their own personal ass of hatred that they have lost all connection with reality. Get a grip. Romney is not an option.
I had hoped by now, as the end of August nears, that Gary Johnson would have made a stronger push; or that the other two assholes tearing one another down would push disgruntled voters his way. It has not happened. I have not heard much from Johnson, and I run in circles of Johnson supporters. The man has not yet captured the hearts and minds of a nation…not even 15% of them.
So it is hard to see his path to victory if he does not have a miracle happen by the debates. I am still hopeful for him, and will stil likely give him a vote here in Cali, but at some point you have got to call a longshot a longshot and face reality. The reality is, barring a miracle, we are looking at a two man race between Obama and Romney….I will take Obama. It is not even close. I love weed, and am also saddened Obama has not done more; but there are a million other reasons that Romney would be a far larger disaster as President and weed is only one of them. Choom on…
I also think THE CHOOM WILL RISE AGAIN. I think Obama will smoke weed again. The stories from his youth of the Choom Gang are far too powerful and were an extremely formative part of his growing up. I mean the man thanked the Choom Gang and his dealer Ray in his yearbook, and not his own mamma. The man was a staunch weedhead. The “interceptor” and “roof hitter” will be back in the circle one day.
It is hard for us folks on the ground to understand why he doesn’t just make weed legal tomorrow, as if there were no political consequences for him to worry about. It is easy for us to find disdain for the man, and forget about the 40 years of evil that have preceded him, and the huge lobbying effort against cannabis that happens daily by private prisons, law enforcement lobbies, big pharma, big booze, and the rest of the drug warrior profiteers. Is that an excuse for not doing more? No…that is just a fucking political reality.
But just as Obama has stood up for gay rights and immigration when the time was politically prudent, I also believe that in a second term he will work to make weed legal. At least I hope. I am 100% sure that Mitt Romney will not. I do think a light-skinned brother from Hawaii who was the leader of the Choom Gang might pull it off if the stars align and the call for legalization continues to grow. Only time will tell…I still think there could be an October surprise.
You heard it here first…if the three legalization efforts are polling to win in October, do not be surprised to see a rescheduling happen. Why? To steal the thunder and try to placate the masses. Similar to the decriminalization bill passed by Schwarzenegger right when Prop. 19 was polling at 55%. It might be easier to give a little, than to lose the battle completely. At least that would likely be the strategy of the big business lobbying groups actually running the show.
But in my reality I have to be pragmatic…..the reality is that we are likely choosing between Romney and Obama in this godforsaken election. Romney is a disaster. Obama is a closet weedhead who is dancing the political dance right now, but who will have much more freedom in a second term with no future elections to lose. If weed is going to be legalized in the next 4 years, it will be Obama, not Romney, that will make it happen.
So it is easy to be mad and want to punish Obama. But unless you have a realistic and viable alternative, all you are really doing is attacking our best REAL shot at having a President that might want to actually see the Choom rise again so that he can smoke a fat one after he retires at age 55. You know he wants to get his Choom on….why do you think he could never stop smoking cigarettes? The man is a smoker….you know he is in the Oval office today thinking “I wonder what a dab feels like. I bet it is awesome…”
T-Comp Consulting Director
Author of Medical Marijuana 101
***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***
- "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..[email protected]> Aug 22 12:40AM -0700
- Donna Lambert <s..[email protected]> Aug 21 11:22PM -0700
Okay. Let's ask for clarification.
Categorically okay to "grow for adult use". Does that mean a limited plant number? 5 plants as in prop 19?
Or will judge Gray make a statement that he fully supports prop 215 and our rights to grow as we DECIDE how much we need.
Because what he said to me was that he believes the govt should control and regulate cultivation.
What did he mean? Did he mean warehouses full designed for commercial distribution? Or did he mean 50 plants in someones garage?
B.c – I personally like to take about 30 or more clones, for which I pick the best ones and give a couple to other patients, then I like to plant about a third more than I will finally bud, then I keep the fasted and give those others (which are still great) away to patients who want to grow, so my bud room might have 15 plants but if I had to worry about a raid and their were plant limits that would be
About 60 plants counting the clones. That is b/c I believe that doing the movement more good means getting more patients growing and I believe it is good for sick people to watch something grow (life).
This is why prop 19 was ABSURD. (Yes, I did vote for it, but mainly bc I knew it would be struck down by the FEDS but would keep the issue in the media, not bc I thought it was anything more than a ruthless power grab designed to actually kill prop 215 and take over the marijuana market)
Also for any narcs reading this, and you know who you are best and vich, I AM NOT CURRENTLY GROWING AT MY HOUSE. So dont bother with your fake setups and calls to the DA – YES, PEOPLE SD ASA ARE NARCS
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:59 PM
I could get more into what the "Narc Squad" provision actually would have done if it hadn't been removed from RMLW; but not now. But if you could see how it could be misinterpeted, imagien what the California Chiefs of Police would have done with it! Disastrous! (Did you know that I've sued the County of San Bernardino over its anti-cultivation ordinance, in a CEQA lawsuit, and that I named the California Chiefs of Police Association as the "Real Party in Interest in such lawsuit, since it was that association and its attorney that promulgated the model ordinacne on which the County's ordinance was based, and on which many cities and counties have been basing their anti-cannabis ordinances? I'm still waiting for a ruling in the CEQA case; it should be out in September.)
THANK YOU!!!! for asking Judge Gray about his position on individuals growing cannabis as I suggested. His statement: "I categorically support an adult's right to grow cannabis for personal use," is good. But now also please ask him: Do you support such right without taxation and regulation? Without a license from the government? Because if he doesn't, then my concern about people being taxed and regulated out of the ability to grow remains true. Or what it it's like gun control laws: if you're a convicted felon, you won't be able to get a license to grow?
Remember, marijuana was not made illegal initially — the Stamp Tax Act just made it impossible, even for the old herb companies, like Eli Lilly, to afford to grow and sell it, or for consumers to buy it. The power to tax is the power to destroy; so, too, teh pwoer to license is the power to destroy.
It was not that long ago that Judge Gray told someone I know that he did not support Californians' right to grow cannabis for themselves. I'm going to ask her to contact you to tell you this yourself.
In the meantime, did Judge Gray send you an e-mail with his view that he supports adults' right to grow? If so, please, please send me a copy! Thanks!!!
>Cc: "LNC Discussion List" <s..[email protected]>, s..[email protected], "LP Radical Caucus" <s..[email protected]>
>Date: Tuesday, August 21, 2012, 4:21 PM
>Letitia, I totally agree with you that anyone should be able to legally grow any plant without government interference, so long as they are not initiating force or fraud; like you I did not vote for California' sProposition 19 because it was not pro-freedom enough. I just asked Jim Gray about his position on individuals growing cannabis as you suggested, and he said in response "I categorically support an adult's right to grow cannabis for personal use." I don't know whether he may have held a different view on this in the past, or whether his comments you refer to may have been misunderstood. Either seems possible; I believe you completely misstate the nature of the withdrawn part of the Regulate Marijuana Like Wine initiative that you call a "Narc Squad" provision. That provision may have been ill-advised precisely due to its potential for being misconstrued (the reason I believe it was removed), but when I read the provision's language,
it seemed clear to me that its intent was to provide *more* legal cover for cannabis growers and sellers by allowing people within the cannabis community to be deputized in order to have some state-level law enforcement protection against federal meddling. Implicitly accusing RMLW's backers like Steve Kubby and Jim Gray, who have given so much to the cannabis movement (and Steve owing his life to medical cannabis!) of wanting to narc out cannabis growers/distributors is beyond the pale, and I strongly urge you to avoid such divisive, unsubstantiated, and uncalled-for language. Jim Gray may not be as radically libertarian as I prefer — few candidates are — but I believe his intentions are good, and he has impressed me as sincerely committed not to the left or the right but to a libertarian approach encompassing significant reforms on both economic freedom and civil liberties. I love Ron Paul, but he has not always spoken out as strongly
on the Drug War as would be ideal either, and more to the point right now, he has not indicated that he plans to pursue his presidential campaign beyond the upcoming Republican national convention. Is there any other presidential ticket on November ballots this year that is as pro-freedom as that of Gary Johnson and Jim Gray? I certainly don't know of any. If you do, please share that information with us ASAP. In the meantime, let's make Jim Gray's statement that "I categorically support an adult's right to grow cannabis for personal use" public, as you suggest. Please spread it around to the places where you post.Love & Liberty, ((( starchild )))On Aug 21, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Letitia Pepper wrote:> Hi Starchild,> As you know, I am a big proponent of cannabis. I think every person should be able to grow any plant without any interference by anyone, particularly the government. (I've got
three Ron Paul bumperstickers on my car — still.)> But because I've been an attorney for 30 years, and because I've worked with both state and federal law, and because I understand the intersection of such laws, I've opposed all state-level efforts to "legalize marijuana!" because they are really just tricks to change Prop. 215, California's foundational medical marijuana laws, and officially turn over cannabis over to Big Government and Big Corporations. It will be "legal" for whoever has the permits and pays the big taxes to grow cannabis — and no one else will be allowed to do so — mark my words.> Based on my interactions with Judge Gray, writing a book on the stupidity of the drug war doesn't make him the champion we'd all like to see in office. He has told people (one of whom is being bcc'd with this e-mail) that he doesn't think individuals should be allowed to grow cannabis. He also was a proponent of "Regulate Marijuana
Like Wine," (RMLW) another of the Trojan Horse initiatives that like Prop. 19 would have destroyed the rights we now have as individuals, and also endorsed Prop. 19. > (RMLW, by the way, was the initiative that Steve Kubby got the Libertarians to endorse, and AFTER getting such endorsement, changed to add a "Narc Squad" provision, which he then removed after I and some other people caught the change.)> So, all you libertarians — get Judge Gray out in public and make him say, PUBLICLY, what he really believes about whether individuals should be allowed to grow and use cannabis without government interference.> I'm not kidding. Gray is just another politician, pandering for votes from us individuals, but undoubtedly getting money from special interests (no doubt including Big Pharma and Monsanto).> > — On Tue, 8/21/12, Starchild <s..[email protected]> wrote:> > From: Starchild <s..[email protected]>>
Subject: [GrassrootsLibertarians] Fwd: Judge Jim Gray Speaks to Enthusiastic Crowds at Hempfest in Seattle> To: "LNC Discussion List" <s..[email protected]>, s..[email protected], "Grassroots Libertarians Caucus" <s..[email protected]>, "LP Radical Caucus" <s..[email protected]>> Date: Tuesday, August 21, 2012, 1:42 PM> > Both Libertarian Party VP candidate Jim Gray and prominent LP member Steve Kubby spoke again at this event in Seattle. According to this article — http://www.cannabisculture.com/content/2012/08/17/Seattle-Hempfest-2012-Worlds-Largest-Pot-Protestival-Starts-Today — this year's Hempfest drew an estimated 300,000 people. Marijuana culture is huge and it's not going away! I'm delighted that the LP, the party of letting people put what they want into their own bodies, was so well represented. Thanks also to Michael Pickens for the blog post below on Judge Gray's talk!> > Love & Liberty,>
((( starchild )))> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee> > > Begin forwarded message:> >> From: Steve Kubby <s..[email protected]>>> Date: August 21, 2012 2:58:05 AM PDT>> Subject: Judge Jim Gray Speaks to Enthusiastic Crowds at Hempfest in Seattle>> >> Judge Jim Gray Speaks to Enthusiastic Crowds at Hempfest in Seattle>> Posted by C. Michael Pickens on Monday, August 20th, 2012 in Blog>> http://www.libertarianleadership.org/2012/08/20/judge-jim-gray-speaks-to-enthusiastic-crowds-at-hempfest-in-seattle/>> >> <2012-08-18_13-37-07_224-300×169.jpg>>> Libertarian Vice-Presidential Candidate, Judge Jim Gray spoke twice at this year’s Seattle Hempfest. First time at the, “Legalize it! Movie Premier Preview & Panel: Behind the Scenes of Prop. 19” and the second time on the Main Stage.>> >> “Honestly, I never in my life thought I would be in a place like this and I am among friends. It’s amazing,
some of the very best people I have met in my life, I have met as a result of drug policy reform, and that means you” Followed by loud shouts and a roaring applause.>> >> Judge Gray continued to talk of his experience as a former prosecutor, drug warrior, and Judge.>> >> “Back in 1992, I did something very unusual for a sitting trial court judge, I held a press conference announcing to the world…what we are doing with regards to drug policy is simply not working, it’s failing, we must repeal drug prohibition.”>> >> The leadership that Judge Jim Gray has shown from 1992 until today brings many people hope. People who have family and friends locked in cages for non-violent victimless crimes, those who are locked in cages for victimless crimes, and the tax payers who are tired of paying for and supporting a failed social policy.>> >> <IMG9502071-300×300.jpeg>Judge Jim Gray does not use marijuana, but he respects and defends the natural
rights of someone else to use marijuana. Judge Jim Gray does not have a dog in this fight, yet he still fights for the rights of others. This is the leadership that exudes from the Libertarian Presidential ticket right now.>> >> Judge Jim Gray went on to say, “If we are going to get our country back, if we are going to bring back prosperity, equal opportunity, and freedom to the United States of America, your only choice for President this November is Governor Gary Johnson”>> >> Needless to say, Judge Jim Gray and the Gary Johnson Campaign, with support from the Libertarian Party of Washington’s booth, was a hit at this year’s Hempfest.>> >> The Johnson/Gray Presidential ticket was verbally endorsed on stage by many other speakers at Hempfest including but not limited to:>> >> Julia Rose, The Curator of the Peter McWilliams Online Museum>> Steve Kubby, RegualteMarijuana 2014 Chief Officer and Campaign Manager>> Jodie Emery, Wife of
“Prince of Pot” Marc Emery; Cannabis Culture Headquarters & Magazine, Director>> Stephen Collett, California Regulate Marijuana Like Wine Initiative, Treasurer>> Dr. David Bearman, M.D. American Academy of Cannabinoid Medicine, Vice President & Board Member; ASA, Board; Patients Out of Time, Advisory Board Member; Author ‘Demons, Discrimination and Dollars: A Brief History of the Origins of American Drug Laws’>> Dan Katzir, “Legalize It!” the movie, Director>> Dan Rush, United Food and Commercial Workers International Union- Director, National Medical Cannabis and Hemp Division>> Ravit Marcus, “Legalize It!” the movie, Producer>> >> C. Michael Pickens is the Author of the book, “Libertarian Leadership: Planting the Seed for a Libertarian Future” and the Washington State Campaign Director for the Gary Johnson Campaign.> ————————————Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
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- Bruce Margolin <s..[email protected]> Aug 21 10:44PM -0700
The Los Angeles city ban against dispensaries will not stand. The courts struck down the bands in Long Beach and Riverside recently.
Keep the faith,
Bruce Margolin Atty one 800 420 – LA WS.
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