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May 16, 2012 – Digest for s..[email protected] – 23 Messages in 10 Topics

    carmel garcia <s..[email protected]> May 14 08:35PM -0700  

    Beautiful, finally everyone is seeing ASA for what it is.
     
    Mel
     
     

    *Carmel Garcia*

     

 

    "Dr. David Bearman" <s..[email protected]> May 08 04:09PM -0400  

    what a surprise. i had no idea we were doing so well that we could afford infighting. I believe it was Thumper's mother who said if you can't say something nice about someone,don't say anything at all.
    peace
    dr.dave
     

     

 

 

    William West <s..[email protected]> May 15 06:20PM -0700  

    Funny how long it took to finally read what we have been telling you for
    the last two years. Or did someone stumble across one of the video's? I
    have to thank Eww-Jean for black-balling me in his attempt to silence me
    and keep the truth from patients. As I said before, look at who's playing
    in the game, then you'll know who rigged what and why." Ain't a place a man
    can hide, will keep him from the sun, Ain't a bed can give them rest in,
    We'll keep them on the run….".
    peace
     
     

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    carmel garcia <s..[email protected]> May 14 09:03PM -0700  

    @ Mickey Martin, how did you do that? That message was/is in my head and I
    repeat it often to anyone who will listen.
     
    Mel
     
     

    *Carmel Garcia*

     

 

 

    Dave Hodges <s..[email protected]> May 15 05:28PM -0700  

    Dear SaveCannabis Members,
     
    Many people have been asking how to access the past content of the
    SaveCannabis list.
     
    I have channeled some skills from my past life as a web developer and
    we now have an easy way to access the digest archives of SaveCannabis.
     
    The Digest will be updated daily. The site will auto tag senders,
    remove email address & phone numbers and let you search the archives.
     
    Check out the new SaveCannabis.org (note: it is still a work in progress).
     
    Best Regards,
    Dave Hodges

     

    Mickey Martin <s..[email protected]> May 15 08:18AM -0700  

    Is NORML broke? Or just broken?
    Posted by Mickey Martin on May 15th, 2012
    I was disappointed to hear Radical Russ Belville tell the tale of how NORML Network, which he produced, would be shut down because of lack of funding…even though they had raised their own funding. WTF? For a group dedicated to being an “informational resource” it begs to wonder why they would shut down a program that gets up to 5,000 downloads a day and which produced 13 hours of original cannabis content every week. In this day and age, it would seem that a project like the NORML network would be a natural evolution in providing cannabis education and information to the masses. Russ did a hell of a job, along with the other content creators there, to make entertaining and informative programming week after week. So what is the deal?
    Here is what Russ says is the reason for shutting down the network:
    We don’t have any money. There is no money at NORML. We don’t have enough to justify covering the expenses it takes to produce this network.
    Russ goes on to tell about how National NORML pulled the plug after the network raised $5-6k to cover its own expenses and how they say they “just do not have it in the budget to earmark funding for any specific projects.” In the video below you can hear Russ tell the tale in his own words, and you can tell he is extremely pissed. I do not blame him, either.
     
     
    Russ alludes to the real issue, which is the new Chairman of the Board, Paul Kuhn, does not see any real value in the network, and does not care for Russ being so “Radical.” He goes on to even state the jackass wants to “rechristen him Reasonable Russ.” Russ lets go a little and can be heard almost cringing as he talks about his “vision being too big” and how he “cannot have any of the money we raised.” I agree. Russ has all very valid points and has every right to be disgusted. Join the club.
    National NORML is a joke at this point. I am not sure why they continue the charade and act as if they are actually accomplishing anything of value over there. On the reals, the NORML network was really the ONLY think NORML had been doing that I saw to be of any value. Lord knows they are not organizing the community to make real impacts on policy. They are not winning the PR battle, with assholes like St. pierre wandering around and damning the entire medical cannabis industry as evil profit-makers who are only about money. NORML has not made real and meaningful impacts to cannabis reform since the 70′s in my book….at least at the national level. Many of their local affiliates do most of the heavy lifting, while National NORML stands back and takes the credit.
    I posed a challenge to Paul Kuhn the last time I mentioned the void of leadership at NORML during the WeedMaps debacle when he responded to a piece I wrote called Weedmaps Takes Over NORML. After Paul was kind enough to tell me my writing was not journalism, I challenged back that NORML was not really activism and begged him to show me a list of accomplishments for the last 40 years. I mean if you are running a policy reform group with almost a million dollar budget for 40 years, you should at least have 40 good accomplishments if you did one lousy thing a year….I responded:
    So how exactly is it that you guys are “the major role players” in cannabis reform since 1995? I just do not see it. And after Keith ratted off Peter Bourne and blew any influence the organization had in National politics in the 70′s, the organization has done very little…..but you know that. I will be waiting for those accomplishments….
    For the record, National NORML never responded with a list of accomplishments. Why? Because they have very little to show for the money they have gotten over the years. I hope Russ is right. I hope NORML doesn’t have any money. I hope whoever was funding that debacle took a step back and said “What the fuck are these losers doing with my cash?” 40 years of failure is not a great track record. No matter how much people like the NORML conference every year, at some point we have to realize as a community that these guys will not be taking us to the promised land.
    Here was Kuhn’s bullshit defense of NORML then:
    When I became active in NORML in 1971, support for legalization stood at 12%.  Now it stands at 50%.  I take pride knowing NORML played a major role, perhaps the major role, bringing this change about.  If it wasn’t NORML,  who was it?  NORML and the board have faithfully (not always perfectly, but faithfully) represented the interests of marijuana consumers for four decades.
    Um….no asshole. Standing around the water cooler does not count as an accomplishment….Here was my response then, which I stand by today:
    As for NORML’s history of reform, and your “if not them who?” remark…I will go with Jimmy Carter and Dennis Peron….If you notice the timeline you guys are touting as your work (link below) there was a small spike in 1976; and from 1977 to 1994 we actually LOST ground. This was when NORML was in control of the entire message and was the primary resource of cannabis reform policy and operations. In 1994-95 the number began to steadily rise and most of the real progress has been seen since Dennis began to widely publicize the medical cannabis issue then and Prop 215 was passed in 1996. Going from 12% to 24% over 25 years is no great feet. I would almost bet that had NORML done NOTHING from 1969-1994 simple attrition of an older generation would have seen the same increase in support.
    >I also think MPP was created around 1995 as well, and then the Gallup chart really jumps on 2004 after ASA was created….. Coincidence? Hardly.
    >I will be waiting for that list of accomplishments and simply pointing to a 40 year Gallup poll number is not an accomplishment by any stretch of the imagination. I will say your conference is normally informative and resourceful….and also kind of like Groundhog’s Day….Maybe after another 40 years we will actually have some serious reform to brag about….
    >I have given NORML plenty of breaks and nobody ever said you had done nothing. I just do not recall and major accomplishments in the actual reforming of laws…..That is not being mean. That is me asking for a list of NORML accomplishments for the last 40 years that have resulted in less arrests for cannabis consumers. I do not think that is too much to ask.
    My thought is that NORML IS BROKEN….not broke. I would hope they either begin to rebuild to actually be an accomplishment driven organization, or that they would simply cease to exist and that a new body of reform would emerge that is accomplishment driven and capable of leading this movement in the direction of true and meaningful reform. To continue to watch the monkey fuck the football is just painful. It is even more painful when you shut down the best thing you have going for you because Russ is too radical for your own personal taste.
    NORML is stupid.
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..[email protected]
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/micKEYmarTIN
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***

     

 

    David Herrick <s..[email protected]> May 15 12:12PM -0700  

    For once I agree with Mickey, National NORML has shown it's true colors and continues to be the Joke it has been since I can remember in the early 90's. To bad since the local Chapters are left to fend for themselves while National NORML continues with their charade of "Legal Seminars." and their Look what we have accomplished and look who our guest is "Conferences." To bad they failed in their primary goal and became nothing more than the National Organization For the Referral of Marijuana Lawyers.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

 

    Dennis Hinze <s..[email protected]> May 14 11:46PM -0700  

    Yes ~ If you want to maintain prohibition of marijuana ~ please get off the list. We will find a way. We will have an initiative that resonates with the people. Just say no to bullshit!
     
     
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    David Herrick <s..[email protected]> May 15 12:17PM -0700  

    So the right to criticize is circumvented by "Our way or the Highway?" A very Orwellian concept indeed. Maybe as some have suggested "the Leadership evaluate their roles and determine if the path that they are I is indeed the "Right" One!!
     
     
     
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

 

 

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..[email protected]> May 14 11:09PM -0700  

    who on earth does asa claim in 2003! Lord … Ok from what i know of
    sf history ? Act up one of first .thats sf history . Lynette ofcourse
    your a pioneer. And i guess the bigger man in this picture. Throwing
    some love at ya ….shona
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    LANNYSWERDLOW <s..[email protected]> May 14 09:26PM -0700  

    Hi Dr. Dave,
     
    Are you going to be at the Unity Conference?
     
    Lanny

     

 

April 3, 2012 – Digest for s..[email protected] – 12 Messages in 9 Topics

    Dave Hodges <s..[email protected]> Apr 02 07:58PM -0700  

    Federal agents raided Oaksterdam University, a cannabis business
    training academy in Oakland, on April 2, 2011.
     
    Federal agents on Monday morning raided several properties owned by
    Richard Lee, the leader of the marijuana legalization movement in
    California, sources told The Bay Citizen. Agents also detained Lee at
    his home.
     
    Internal Revenue Service and Drug Enforcement Administration agents
    raided Oaksterdam University, which describes itself as "America's
    first cannabis college." It was also the center of the 2010 campaign
    to legalize marijuana in California.
     
    Agents also raided Lee's home and the former site of Lee's medical
    marijuana dispensary Coffeeshop Blue Sky, which has been operating as
    an underground pot club.
     
    Separately, federal agents raided the Oakland Hills home of Todd
    McCormick, a longtime medical marijuana activist, DEA spokeswoman
    Joycelyn Barnes confirmed. McCormick was arrested for growing pot soon
    after the state legalized medical marijuana in 1996 and currently
    grows put for patients, sources said.
     
    Agents entered Lee's home with guns early Monday morning, said Dale
    Sky Jones, chancellor of Oaksterdam. Lee, who uses a wheelchair, was
    detained for a few hours Monday morning at his home and then released,
    sources said. Four marijuana nursery workers were detained at
    Oaksterdam. Barnes confirmed that five people were detained, but said
    that no arrests were made.
     
    The raids come as Lee's battle with U.S. Attorney Melinda Haag
    escalated. Last fall, Haag ordered Lee's dispensary, Coffeeshop Blue
    Sky to move because it was too close to a school, as the Bay Citizen
    first reported. But instead of closing the dispensary, as many other
    pot club owners have done, Lee moved it first two doors down and then
    later into the building where the Oaksterdam museum is located.
     
    Barnes declined to offer further comment, saying the warrants were under seal.
     
    Protesters gathered outside Oaksterdam as the operation continued into
    the late morning. They chanted "Free Richard Lee" and screamed in the
    faces of the agents. One even called the Oakland Police Department to
    report that a robbery was in progress at the university.
     
    Jason Overman, an aide to Oakland City Councilwoman Rebecca Kaplan,
    denounced the raids outside the university.
     
    "If the federal government has extra resources in Oakland, then they
    should use them to get the illegal guns off the streets that are
    actually killing people," Overman said.
     
    Steve DeAngelo, who runs Harborside Health Center, the largest
    dispensary in Oakland arrived on the scene to lend support to his
    sometime rival Lee. He said the raids were purely political, targeting
    Lee because he had led the effort to legalize marijuana in 2010 with
    Prop. 19.
     
    "They can't say they're going after a criminal," DeAngelo said.
    "They're going after a voice of change. This is not about justice this
    is about revenge."
     
    Source: The Bay Citizen http://s.tt/18GKo

     

 

    Etienne <s..[email protected]> Apr 02 06:06PM -0700  

    Like Richard he was not arrested, Todd has no comment at this time.
     
    Miles of Smiles,
     
    Étienne
     

     

    "Don Duncan" <s..[email protected]> Apr 02 02:44PM -0700  

    The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) raided a legally-permitted medical
    cannabis collective, a school, and at least two homes in Oakland this
    morning. As I am writing this, the DEA is still confiscating medicine and
    plants and detaining legal patients. This is a grave injustice against local
    patients and a slap in the face for a city that has led the state in
    sensible regulations for medical cannabis. Americans for Safe Access (ASA)
    helped to mobilize protesters this morning, and is working to frame this
    story in the media right now. We wish we did not need an Emergency Response
    Campaign [ http://www.safeaccessnow.org/section.php?id=168 ], but today's
    events show that we still do.
     

     
    ASA has organized strategic responses to DEA raids since 2002, and our work
    has helped to shine a national media spotlight on federal interference and
    intimidation. We need your help to keep doing this important work. Can you
    make a special contribution to support ASA today? [
    http://www.americansforsafeaccess.org/donate ]
     

     
    ASA Executive Director Steph Sherer was one of many patients and advocates
    who responded to ASA's early-morning call to action. She is in downtown
    Oakland right now with other protesters – supporting the victims of today's
    raids, talking to the media, and holding the federal agents accountable. We
    know that our Emergency Response Campaign helps to support victims,
    influence media, and keep law enforcement in check. Your support and
    participation make that happen.
     

     
    Please take a moment to support all of the important work ASA does. [
    http://www.americansforsafeaccess.org/donate ]We provide legal training for
    and medical information to patients, attorneys, health and medical
    professionals and policymakers throughout the United States. We also
    organize media support for court cases, rapid response to law enforcement
    raids, and capacity-building for advocates. Our successful lobbying, media
    and legal campaigns have resulted in important court precedents, new
    sentencing standards, and more compassionate community guidelines. You make
    all of that possible.
     

     
    I hope you will plan to join us tomorrow in San Francisco for a press
    conference and rally against federal interference in local medical cannabis
    programs. The press conference will begin at 11:00 AM on Tuesday, April 3,
    on the steps of City Hall located at 1 Dr. Carlton B Goodlett Place in San
    Francisco.
     

     
    Thank you for helping to protect safe access for medical cannabis patients
    from federal attacks!
     

     
    Sincerely,
     

     
    Don Duncan
     
    California Director
     

     
    P.S. – Be sure to sign up for ASA's Emergency Response text message alert [
    http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/182/p/salsa/web/common/public/signup?si
    gnup_page_KEY=6005 ] today!

     

 

    CSPARC Sacramento <s..[email protected]> Mar 30 10:28AM -0700  

    Greetings Cannabis World,
     
    Our big CSPARC BBQ Bonanza and Good Times Fundraiser is happening a week
    from tomorrow and we are in need of some cool donations for our silent
    auction and for cool give away promos for our guests. Many thanks to Atmos
    and Vapor Brothers for their awesome donations. Can any other vendors
    (collectives, head shops, vaporizor companies, paper companies, glass
    blowers, etc.) donate some cool goods to a very worthy cause? It would be
    VERY appreciated and a good marketing tool.
     
    At least 10 dispensary and collective/cooperative groups in Sacramento and
    beyond have bought tables for their staff, vendors and VIP patients to come
    to this historic event. There will be at least 150-200 of the industry's
    best and brightest there to check out your goods. We would be happy to put
    out marketing materials for your company and hang signage if you have it,
    in exchange for your in-kind donation.
     
    Tickets are going fast, so other groups who want to get on board, please
    RSVP as soon as possible to ensure we have space for your group. Tickets
    are $125, and each ticket goes towards 100 signatures for our campaign to
    lift the ban in Sac County and restore patient access there. Never has a
    BBQ dinner done so much good. We have great music, including the always
    great Selekta Lou Sanchez and DJ Wokstar. There will be a medicating tent
    for patients and lots of cool giveaways for those in attendance.
     
    Groups can purchase tables of 4 or more, and they can bring materials to
    market and create awareness for their organization. It is a win-win. Groups
    can purchase 10 tickets for $1000. Many groups have purchased the 10 pack
    and are giving them to their staff, vendors, and favorite collective
    members. You too can help support the cause and treat your folks to a great
    time.
     
    To purchase tickets online visit here:
    https://my.fundraiser7.com/event/view/364. For group packages contact us at
    one of the many options below and we will get you all hooked up.
     
    If you cannot make the event, please consider donating to the cause by
    going here: https://secure.piryx.com/donate/he3EtIgN/CSPARC/signatures
     
    Together we can make history….Much love to those who have already bought
    tickets or donated to the cause.
     
    Attached is a poster for the event, or a mail in donation card for those
    who want to mail a check in.
     
    ALSO….many thanks to Bhang and Kiva for their very generous donations to
    this cause. Other vendors who have patients and collectives they work with,
    or have worked with in Sac, should follow the lead of these great medicine
    providers and make an in-kind donation, as well. It will help everyone to
    have over 20 registered and legal dispensaries in Sac County, so do your
    part to make it happen.
     
    Thanks for your support and dedication to patients and providers. We look
    forward to seeing you there!
     
    Please mail any product or giveaway donations to our campaign headquarters
    (unless we can come pick them up):
     
    CSPARC
    2045 Hallmark Dr.
    Suite 6
    Sacramento, CA 95825
     

    The Committee for Safe Patient Access to Regulated Cannabis
    Sacramento, CA
    www.RegulateSac.org and www.CSPARC.org
    @CSPARCsac
    Find Us on FB Here<http://www.facebook.com/pages/Csparc-Sacramento(phone#-removed)741>
    Phone:(phone#-removed)
    Email: s..[email protected]
     
    Confidentiality Notice:
    This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the
    meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Section
    2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by
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    Fred Gardner <s..[email protected]> Mar 30 10:04AM -0700  

    Tod Mikuriya and Paul Klopper (a friend who worked in Chris Andrian's law office in Santa Rosa) filed a "Grandfather it in" request with the FDA in 1999. We ran the text in a pre-O'S publication (print, for distribution to patients). I'm scanning in the piece and attaching the text in Word. It made sense then and it makes sense now!
     
    Fred
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    On Mar 25, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Bill McPike wrote:
     

     

    Pebbles Trippet <s..[email protected]> Mar 29 09:21PM -0700  

     

    Fred Gardner <s..[email protected]> Mar 29 10:01PM -0700  

    Bill,
     
    Have you been in touch with Paul Klopper? He and Tod filed something with the FDA in ''99 and we ran the text of it in a pre-O'Shaughnessy's publication. I'm attaching the text and scanning in the layout (don't seem to have it on PageMaker). It seems like such a logical approach…
     
    Fred
     
     
     
     
     
    As ever,
     
    Fred
     
     
     
     
     
    On Mar 28, 2012, at 2:29 PM, Bill McPike wrote:
     

     

March 15, 2012 – Digest for s..[email protected] – 21 Messages in 9 Topics

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..[email protected]> Mar 14 12:53AM -0700  

    Im just reading that the pappas law group has been granted a federal
    hearing? If I am understanding correctly. This case premise is that
    unequal voting has transpered. Becuase voters of D.C. congressional
    district were allowed to vote and pass mj laws that unfair treatment
    is being used in this federal crackdown? I am excited becuase recently
    many filings have simply been dismissed without a hearing. However I
    crave further educated legal minds to let us know more about how this
    may play out and its over all vaule. Have we located an exit plan for
    federal crackdown? Should a few us go to D.C. To observe this hearing
    and learn more? If a hearing granted by one federal judge set us up to
    have similar filing in other federal districts? Is mission impossible
    becoming less impossible? Or is this futile and a fluk that we get a
    single hearing instead of dissimal. Please he
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    El Camino Wellness Center <s..[email protected]> Mar 14 11:34AM -0700  

    Very interesting.
     
    On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur <
     

    Thank you,
     
     
    S. Kumar
    Executive Director
    El Camino Wellness Center
    www,elcaminowellnesscenter.com
    "A Community of Compassion"

     

    Brett Stone <s..[email protected]> Mar 14 04:07PM -0700  

    High Shona,
     
    The hearing will be in California (maybe Santa Ana in OC or Los Angeles?)
    as Judge Guilford is with the US District Court for the Central District of
    California. Below is the complete press release.
     
    Peace
     
    brett
     
     
    Federal Court Sets Hearing in Medical Marijuana Voting Rights Case
     
     
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/federal-court-sets-hearing-in-medical-marijuana-voting-rights-case-2012-03-13
     
     
    LOS ANGELES, March 13, 2012 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ — A hearing has been
    ordered in the voting rights case brought by medical marijuana patients
    against the federal government. U.S. District Court Judge Andrew Guilford
    set March 26 to hear arguments regarding whether federal authorities should
    be enjoined from sending letters ordering the closure of medical marijuana
    collectives in Costa Mesa, California.
     
    The patients in the case allege they have been denied the right to vote on
    medical marijuana legalization despite Congress's December, 2009 decision
    to grant that right to Washington D.C. voters. A team of likeminded
    attorneys has now started working cooperatively to defend disabled patients
    rights on this case and additional suits. Commenting on the importance of
    the right to vote, Charles Farano, an attorney in the case, said, "when
    Congress gives one group of citizens the right to vote on something, it is
    inappropriate to deny that same voting right to others."
     
    The case, James v. United States, was filed by Farano, David Welch, and
    attorney Matthew Pappas on behalf of patients who allege loss of access to
    medical cannabis after federal letters were sent ordering the shutdown of
    all collectives in Lake Forest and Costa Mesa, both cities in Orange
    County, California. The patients are asking the court to prohibit the
    federal government from ordering the shutdown of collectives properly
    operating under state law.
     
    For more information contact Sergio Sandoval, Director of Public Relations,
    Pappas Law Group.
     
    Phone #(phone#-removed)
     
    Email – s..[email protected]
     
    SOURCE Pappas Law Group
     
     
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/federal-court-sets-hearing-in-medical-marijuana-voting-rights-case-2012-03-13
     
    On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur <
     

    Don't forget to join my Medical Marijuana News From Brett Yahoo newsgroup
    for the latest marijuana and medical marijuana news
    http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mmjnews/
     
    "A Pot Smokers Dilemma: An empty bowl needs to be filled while a filled
    bowl needs to be emptied. It never ends."
     
    Sent from my Rotary-Dial Phone

     

    "Dr. Brazil" <s..[email protected]> Mar 14 12:49PM -0700  

    Here's the garbage put out by Wally Herger- Congress
     
     
     
    theQueen of Dragons  non-profit Collective & Club
    5044 Shasta Dam Blvd, Shasta Lake City, CA. 96019        [530] 276-9771
     
    Do not meddle in the dealings of Dragons
     For YOU are crunchy & taste good with ketchup 
     
    Empowering People To Help Themselves
     
    Dr Tammy K Brazil ND, CTN, DN, MDH, PhD
     
     
     
    Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 8:29 AM
     

    March 14, 2012
     
     
     
    Dear Dr Tammy,
     
     Thank you for contacting me to express your support for H.R. 2306, the  Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act of 2011 . I value your point of view and appreciate the opportunity to respond.
     
               While I agree that efforts to limit illicit drug use have not been fully successful, I believe that the negatives of drug legalization, including marijuana, would be much worse. Studies indicate that the marijuana used today is more potent than ever, causes serious mental health problems, can cause structure abnormalities in the brain, contains significantly greater cancer-causing properties than tobacco, is addictive and creates harmful dependencies, is a frequent precursor to the use of more dangerous drugs such as cocaine and heroin, and can lead users to commit violent or otherwise irresponsible actions that harm innocent people. 
     
    Additionally, decriminalizing or legalizing drugs may lead to the creation of a permanent class of drug users who will find it increasingly impossible to support themselves, and thus will rely on the state for welfare, disability payments, or unemployment insurance. Their medical problems will increase, draining our already strained county hospitals and the health care programs. Thus, innocent taxpayers will be forced to subsidize the dazed and lethargic lifestyle of substance abusers. Preventing drug users from operating motor vehicles will also become an increasing problem as drug use becomes more tolerated and acceptable.
     
    For these and other reasons, I oppose decriminalizing or legalizing the use of marijuana.  I believe the better approach is discouraging its use through a clear and honest discussion of the damage that the drug can cause.  I believe parents, schools, churches, and community organizations are best positioned to encourage personal responsibility and convince younger Americans especially that marijuana use contributes to an unhealthy lifestyle.  Additionally, I believe existing drug laws should be enforced to further discourage illicit drug use.
     
     
    Although we may not see eye-to-eye, I will be sure to keep your perspective in mind should Congress consider H.R. 2306 or other legislation that would change laws governing marijuana use. 
     
    As always, please do not hesitate to contact me in the future regarding this or any other federal issue important to you. In addition, I would like to invite you to visit my website at herger.house.gov where you can find additional information on my position on a variety of issues and sign up for occasional e-mail updates on them.
     
     
                                                                 Sincerely,
                                                                
                                                                 WALLY HERGER
                                                                 Member of Congress  

     

 

    David Jack <s..[email protected]> Mar 13 11:03PM -0700  

    True to the core!!!!
     
    On 3/13/2012 5:41 PM, Bill McPike wrote:

     

    HopeNet Co-op <s..[email protected]> Mar 14 02:43AM -0700  

    We pass on every letter everyone has there own special way of expressing
    themselves. Thanks so much, the HopeNet family

     

    Dennis Hinze <s..[email protected]> Mar 13 08:10PM -0700  

    Save Cannabis~
      I have been looking over the save cannabis emails. It appears to me that there are many people within this movement who are working at cross purposes to one another. This diminishes the impact of the concept of getting marijuana out of the hands of the control freaks, and into the hands of the people. Surely, we can do better. As a suggestion, last year, I had drafted a pattern initiative which was minimally worded and comprehensive.  I am not a lawmaker, or a lawyer.
      I am a medical marijuana patient, and I grow most of my medical marijuana. Sure, some people use pot to get high. Sure, some folks who think they are just getting high are actually medicating. Sure, some medical marijuana is being used by some people just to get high. So what! The prohibitionist pot laws are stupid, arbitrary and counter-productive.
      Maybe, just maybe, the suggestions I had for an Initiative Petition for California voters, can gain traction with a broad range of pot activists. I will attach it to this email. One thing is sure, if we don't get together on this, the spectre of prohibition will bedevil us for another couple years, at least.
      Marijuana and Cannabis Hemp being outlawed here and abroad is one of the most cruel hoaxes that has ever been perpetrated on the world's people. If the situation is to be rectified, "Save Cannabis" is probably a good place to start.
      All the best,    Dennis Hinze  
     
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    David Malmo-Levine <s..[email protected]> Mar 14 12:32PM -0700  

    "I know that Jack recognized that people used cannabis for fun and he
    absolutely approved of them having access to the herb without a medical say
    so."
     
    Is echinacea medicine? Yes. Does it require a "medical say-so" to use? No.
     
    Did Jack Herer consider cannabis a medicine? Yes. What were his exact
    words? "*all use is medicinal"*
     
    Does this mean that Jack insisted that all medicine required a "medical
    say-so"? No.
     
    You can have medicine without a "medical say-so".
     
    To have an inclusive movement, we should allow those places with no chance
    at legalizing for recreational purposes to legitimize all use with the "all
    use is medicinal", like Jack would want us to have done. For those places
    that have already won medicinal rights – like Colorado and California -
    they should then make the "medicine doesn't always require a say-so"
    argument. Because it doesn't … especially herbal medicine.
     
    "ANd I wish David M L would stop trying to attack people and put words in
    their mouths when he does not understand them."
     
    It's not that I don't understand you, it's just that I don't agree with
    you. Unlike everyone else here, I take the time to quote what exactly I am
    responding to, bit by bit. I would love it if everyone else paid me the
    same respect, instead of making accusations against me without referencing
    what they are talking about.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

     

    "martinvictor" <s..[email protected]> Mar 14 01:09PM -0700  

    From: lavonne victor [mailto:s..[email protected]]
    Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 12:20 PM
     

     
    This is another thing that i will put out there…
     
    Whom is really making money off of the terminal ill citizens in this
    movement? Or those if it is legalized to make tons of monies off of the
    citizens … concerning this issue…
     

     
    Those behind the intitiatives will be… that is the fact.. and those whom
    have the monies already to take over the cannabis production… and this is
    what it is all about… not the welfare of those citizens whom have seriouse
    illness and i am not talking about a simple headacke or a backack..
     

     
    I was very supportive behind this movenent at one time.. and believed
    everything that they have told me behind this issue.. but now.. its
    different…
     

     
    I started using cannabis because i was really sick.. 12 years ago… and it
    changed my views on the use of it for medical proposes.. for it has been
    proven that it works… and i will continue to utalize it… but i will not
    listen to the bull that is put out there any more… for it, this movement
    can not make up its mind of the direction it wants to go in and it is torn
    in two..
     

     
    As a patient , whom is not really involved physcially with all the parties,
    the gatherings, the events, its not that i don't want to be there in
    person.. but i am unable to… due to many issues behind what i am going
    through..
     

     
    But as a patient.. i am a wast of time for all … what ever….
     
    I don't utalize cannabis to have a good time at parties and to get high.. i
    do not grow cannabis just because i can.. its because it helps me and i am
    able to by the laws of this state.. and now you guys want to take this all
    away from people like me…. and others… just because you don't like what
    it is now… you want to change it and obtain the power and the greed behind
    this issue…. and that is a fact…
     

     
    i have seen many patients get arrested and providers get arrested and spent
    tons of moneis that they just do not have and then sent down the river
    without a paddle.. and then those simple patients whom grow for themselfs
    are snubbed…by those whom are in the movement .. but its not for medical
    proposes anymore.. but yet many fight to keep the store fronts from closing
    in order for them to obtain safe access to their MEDICAL cannabis….
     

     
    Legalization for all use you say.. well.. that is a solution to be found…
    but yet you can't even fixt the issues behind the medical use of cannabis…
    everyone is in a click except those whom are outside of the click whom grow
    in compliance with what the law states.. but now we are in danger due to the
    greed behind this issue of cannabis…
     

     
    and once that intiative of the choice comes about and it is legalized .. you
    think that it will make a diffrence to the cops or the sherrifs if it is
    medical for some folks.. i think not… for they will not tell the
    difference and they will treat us all the same…. that is the fact..
     

     
    This state and the counties in this state and the cities have banned all the
    medical suppliers and now they are comming after those whom grow and give
    them alternatums and are controling what they can do and not do.. and make
    up their own ordiance to their own bias opions instead of the welfare of
    those citizens whom utalize cannabis..
     

     
    How many more people are going to continue to be affect behind this issue of
    legalization instead of pulling together to fix the medical problems behind
    the medical use of cannabis.. how long as this been going on….
     

     
    everyone grows to make monies now… and if your not in agreement with this
    then your out of existance and can not be bothered with… and yes i have
    met many of the old timers in this movement… and yes i have been to
    meetings for years on end, and spent time and time again pickiting amonst
    all the rest… and yes i hear ill respect of talks about others in this
    movement.. you talk about love and acceptance … but yet you turn your back
    and backstab those you smile to in thier face and spread gosup against those
    you do not approve of…. for your bias outlook on their being…
     

     
    Money is behind this issue.. and that is what the truth is … how much you
    can sell, how much you can charge.. and how it looks, and bla bla bal …..
    it is not really about the welfare of those whom really are sick, whom
    really depend and believe of what they do… but yet some whom do beleive
    open up the stores just to loose everything that they have worked for and
    leave those sick people out in the cold for now they have no place to obtain
    their medicine to fit thier medical needs… and if you don't like my
    spelling.. tough cookies…
     

     
    But yet you say that they will be forced to go to a black market for store
    fronts are not in existance only those whom are are behind their own
    agendas, or agreements with god knows who…but yet there are many whom do
    grow and grow in unity with others to obtain safe access at a low cost or
    what ever that they do…. but geesh… this movement is insane and you call
    me insane?
     

     
    Ill will talks about the ASA organizations, or CA norml .. whom hid behind
    the facts of what is really going on behind closed doors… you really must
    think that the citizens whom are terminally ill are really stupid…and the
    people outside of the movement… either it is for legalization or for
    medical use…
     

     
    Most of what i have read is how these store fronts are being raided and how
    these people fight for their right to obtain from these store fonts… and
    its all about the medical needs.. and they should stop being raided and be
    allowed to provide for so many … but yet we have another whom are against
    the medical us for they want it legalized for all adult use…. and for
    those whom are trying to do an initative what the control of whom is allow
    to stay open and whom is allow to grow for these places and put away with
    the rest whom provide for themselves… i heard it and i read it all..
     

     
    Tax cannabis.. regulate it.. and control it… you say… but yet this will
    open up more doors for many to be procecuted against for this state and the
    counties in this state can not even handle the issue of the medical laws
    behind this issue?
     

     
    Its all about the money.. someone has told me allong time ago.. and you know
    what.. he was right.. its all about the monies.. not about the compassionate
    use of those whom are really ill and facing the challenges that they face on
    a daily basics not just with their medical issues but with their financial
    issues as well.. but yet some say they should get out and get
    signatures…and they think its is so easy for many of us whom depend upon a
    wheelchair, or depend upon a divice to get us through the day.. which takes
    allot of energy from most of them just to get out that door to obtain what
    they need to live another day…..
     

     
    You complain how many of the store fronts are being closed down.. and how
    others will not be able to obtain.. and now you want something else… while
    we all are fighting for our right to utalize for our medical needs and suing
    the counties and bringing the issue of store fronts to the state… to allow
    what is already allowd from the laws that are there.. already in statued…
    i may not be as smart as many.. and may not have worked for years on end due
    to my issues.. but i am not stupid… and i am not crazy… but i am pissed
    as all hell for those whom put your bias judgement upon me and think that
    your better than me.. due to this issue… yep.. its all about the power and
    the greed..
     

     
    Lets have a party.. a big block party. to justicy the means… behind this
    issue… for all those whom are able to be young, and some young at heart ,
    and walking and able to be apart of are in a diffent world then many whom
    really benifit from the use of cannabis for their medical issues… and you
    wonder why most of those whom are medicaly incline to this plant are so
    discusted with this movement?… and then you wonder why those are no longer
    involved in this movent and have stepped out of the click of it all?….
     

     
    You don't give a hoot about those whom are really benifiting from the use of
    cannabis.. and those whom need a safe place to go to obtain.. and you blame
    it all on the Federal and the cities and the counties on this issue.. and
    yes they are to blame for causing harm upon their citizens in this issue and
    not upholding the laws that allow safe access and instead they also want the
    power and the greed behind this issue…
     

     
    Many whom are talking … and those whom are in the same boat are jsut
    feeding it to those whom are already on the same boat as they are .. someone
    told me, for many years your just talking and beating the horse that already
    is drinking from the same waters that are being feed to them… Follow the
    money he has said to me… well..
     

     
    i reather follow to a better tomorrow and live in peace and take care of
    myelf so i can live another day… and i am facing issues big time in my
    life now.. whom caused this trouble that we have now? whom has caused more
    harm behind this issue and continue to have innocent citizens of all ages
    being affected by this issue? Power and greed from both sides of the coin…
    if i did what you guys did.. i would be serviing time in jail right now..
    and you think that many give a hoot? Yes i am hurt and i am angry… for you
    all want to take it away from those whom benifit behind this issue of
    medical for your own personal agendas and greed… you can not have it both
    ways… either support the medical use of cannabis and help find better
    solutions so that our stores can stay open and continue to provide for those
    whom utalize it for medical purposes.. for that is the main purpose here..
    for all that i have read is about the store fronts and how angry these
    patients are that have lost their own way of to obtain their cannabis for
    their medical needs…
     

     
    I am a voter.. and i am a voice that is to be heard
     
    no matter if you aprove of what i say.. or write on this list…
     

     
    jsut because i see it in a diffent light than many .. do not make you better
    than me.. just because your on a highter totem pole than myself.. you made
    the laws.. now fix them to stop all this madness that we are facing with our
    counties and with our cities and with our states and the federal agencies
    and the drug enforcement… and stop these people from attacking those whom
    are on a lower totem pole than you guys are….
     

     
    As a pateint whom utalizes cannabis for my illenss… i have a right to talk
    to you.. for this is effecting me.. and stressing me out to the max… i
    will not be a marter to you or others behind this issue any more.. i have
    faceed the courts not once but twice due to growing my own medical
    cannabis… but we were lucky.. for we were told that we were trying to
    uphold the laws.. but many are not.. and there are many cases out there that
    should not be even in the courts behind this issue.. but they are… either
    we are all on the same boat , if we are not untied .. then we will continue
    to be torn behind this issue.. and it will be taken from us…
     
    many states are handling this issue allot better than California.. and its
    all behind the greed and the power behind this issue of those whom make tons
    and tons of moneis off of those whom use it for medical use.. and then hid
    behind the laws to provide for others outside for recreational use…
     

     
    yes i grow.. and i grow to the best of our abilities.. it may not be in the
    perfection of others whom have been doing it for allot longer than we have
    but we can provide for ourselves.. and we are bless to even do that… but
    there are some that are not blessed to do this .. and need the store fronts
    to fill their medical needs..
     

     
    AND it is for medical .. otherwise.. why fight to keep these store owners in
    business to provide medicine… just because i am a sick person.. and i
    really am.. and i do not know how much i will be able to stay in the reality
    that surrounds me on a dialy basice due to my brain filling up with
    leasions… and you call me crasy?.. but yet the power behind this issue and
    the greed behind this issue will take what ever i have to survive away from
    me?… and i do not have the right to speak up on this issue ?.. more
    patients outside of this movement should speak up.. then many be you all
    would understand where we are comming from… we are all diffent in vocies..
    and opions.. but i can only speak of my univese that surrounds. me.. you
    think i wanted this life.. to be disabled and live on shit for financial
    means.. and not work and have a career like most on this list? But yet just
    because i stopped being an activist to take care of me.. i am now nobody to
    anyone else? and condemmed?… with your judgemental and waste of time
    addituted.. and then you bump people off this list due to diffence of opions
    or heated issues… like Mikey.. whom has never been kicked off due to his
    rants and rages? or many others?…. but i guess i am a negitive drain to
    you all.. but really? really..
     

     
    some of you do know who i am .. and some do not.. some approve of me and
    like me and some of you do not , and then some of you whom do not know me
    take the gossip of those others whom speak ill of us due to them being
    kicked out of our small insunifiante association of patients?.. Is this how
    you treat each other?… and you call this love and unity? toward a better
    solution.. your all jsut as bad as the other side..
     
    some talk shit about organizations and wht they are doing.. and who is a
    stitch and whom is working iwth the cops, blablable….
     

     
    maybe we should work with the cops, the sheriffs, the govern afficials, the
    board of supervisers that are high on thier seats that just look the other
    way and snicker everytime someone speaks about cananbis… and those many
    others whom refuse to uphold the laws concerningh this issue… and then
    maybe we can all unite for a better tomorrow…
     

     
    yes.. now come back at me .. and say i am crazy.. you think i give a hoot?..
    about your views of me.. you don't even know me… you dont even give a hoot
    about people like me.. and you expect me not to say nothing ?
     

     
    you whom are making the intitatives.. need to find the unity amonst us all..
    instead of what you can get from it in the end and how much moneis that your
    going to make behind this issue…
     

     
    Have a good toke …and now i am waiting for you all to tear me apart..
    yep.. i see it comming.. yep… I may be a woman.. but at least i have to
    galls to say what i have to say.. inspite of your disaproval…and yep.. i
    said galls instead of balls.. for i am a woman.. i do not have balls…and a
    senior as it it.. and proud of it….
     

     
    If Micky can say what he has to say.. and the others on this list than i too
    have that right as well..
     
    political.. its all the same .. even outside of this issue… there are many
    whom go without due to not being able to afford to utalize cannabis for
    their illness.. now why is that?…i guess they dont' count?.. unless they
    can put forth.. hmm.. jsut a thought…

     

    "Dr. David Bearman" <s..[email protected]> Mar 14 01:04AM -0400  

    I'm not sure who these pot docs are but if you mean the 'in and out ' $49.95 docs, they are undermining both medical marijuana and full legalization. Here's the little secret that escapes those who would poo poo medical marijuana. There are tens of tjousands of really sick peop0le who benefit from the medicinal use of cannabis. These people have earned the right to be better or be well by their use of cannabis for medicinal purposes. To treat the genuinely ill as a stalking horse for legalization is seamly and immoral..
     
    Some may have looked at Prop 215 as the camels nose in the legalization fight. There are two points that must be kept in mind is that medicinal cannabis only helps legalization as long as we rewcognize its medical value and treat cannabis as a medicine under Prop 215.
    Whether you believe social and medical use are synonomous that is not what the voters voted for with Prop 215. The voters don't like to feel fooled or tricked.
     
    The less we follow the spirit of 215 the more we shoot ourselvews in the foot and provide ammo for the neo prohibitionists. The more we honor cannabis as medicine and treat it as such, the more we remove the cloak of demonization ,fear,ignorance and misinformastion and the more we move forward legalization for any purpose.
     
    So we need to educate the pot docs and get them to stop and/or marginalize their practicing minimalist medicine and get them to start practicing real medicine. Dispensaries too, need to be professional. The more professional the dispensaries are the more it drives our adversatries nuts.For those of you who have had the staminha to read this far, to see what kind of practice standards I'm talking about you might want to check the website of the American Academy of Cannabinoid Medicine (www.aacmsite.org )
    Peace
    Dave
     

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..[email protected]> Mar 13 11:09PM -0700  

    To be honest ? I am a person whose been shredded by mickey .Compared
    to hideous evil villians like david koresh .Torn apart and fed to the
    wolves. For in short questioning major policy heads effectiveness.I
    was told if I didnt apologize that I would suffer online? And sure as
    shit? When you goggle? Me? You get mickey take on me in the first
    page. Which at this point is water under the bridge. A mind that can
    step back and change? Its perspective is worth it and being willing to
    include everyone with transperancy and passion ? In their truth
    telling is cathartic. I openly questioned national policy grps and ASA
    when I was working with POW scott feil . He ran out of funding and
    perhaps therefore not receiving the support from policy grps? That he
    formaly was a sizable contributor to . Thats not a conspiracy story
    .Thats a nice man sitting in jail becuase?We cant all work it out.
    Together . I think we need to de colonize this "movement" and quit
    marginalizing anyone who doesnt bow down to a manufactured con
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..[email protected]> Mar 13 11:12PM -0700  

    sorry phone cut off last words . Manufactured consent.
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    Hal Muskat <s..[email protected]> Mar 14 11:35AM -0700  

    Dr. Bearman, you are MOST definitely not on that list, as are most of
    the medical professionals on this list, including Dr. Frank, who's
    opinion & practice I respect & admire a great deal! But you do know
    precisely to whom I'm referring!
     
    Peace,
     
    Hal Muskat
    Veteran's For Peace
    "Sir, No Sir!"
     
     
    On 3/13/12 10:04 PM, Dr. David Bearman wrote:

     

    Bud <s..[email protected]> Mar 14 11:30AM -0700  

    I choose not to blame "all those unscrupulous pot docs" just as I choose
    not to blame "all those potheads" who get equal or worse blame for not
    being "sick enough" to use medical cannabis lawfully. I choose not to blame
    "vaguely worded laws." It's a blame game; everybody loses.
     
    To blame pot docs, in particular, is to start down the slippery slope of
    "who's sick enough?" calculations, which tend to be based more on morality
    than standards of good medicine. It's a moral decision to limit the number
    of patients who qualify based on a legislative laundry list of "serious"
    medical conditions or, even worse, to limit authority for recommending
    cannabis to patients who can't tolerate pharmaceuticals instead. If
    California's Prop. 215 was drawn too broadly, as popular opinion seems to
    indicate with the benefit of hindsight, nothing in the 15 other MMJ states
    stands out as being a superior model of best medical practices or medical
    regulation. Wherever you draw that line between "sick enough" and "stoner,"
    we're all perceived as potheads anyway, so the political benefit of tighter
    controls is almost nil.
     
    Yet the trend seems clear; a narrowing of qualifying medical conditions and
    the development of standardized cannabis pharmaceuticals. We asked for
    medical marijuana, and sure as heck one day we'll get it, all squeaky clean
    and FDA-approved for certain uses, perhaps even with the ability for
    doctors to prescribe it "off label" for unapproved conditions. Thatdoesn't
    strike me as substantially different from what pot docs are doing for their
    patients right now, and more power to them all for taking advantage of the
    laws that are there to protect them.
     
     
     
     

     

    Hal Muskat <s..[email protected]> Mar 14 07:24AM -0700  

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/13/angel-raich_n_1342586.html?ref=san-francisco
     
    Anyone interested in a smoke out @ Parnassus?

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..[email protected]> Mar 13 10:32PM -0700  

    prohibitonist and predatory business practices go hand in hand. And
    they just babble out the crazy talk . Talk in circles .more rules wont
    change fed attack . Getting your crazy butts to congress to repeal ,
    end , de schedule , cannabis.might. Yep I agree with mickeys sediments
    below . You may be right? I may be crazy? But Im not fucking crazy
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

January 10, 2012 – Digest for s..[email protected] – 21 Messages in 6 Topics

    Mickey Martin <s..[email protected]> Jan 08 07:24PM -0800  

    Yup….
     
     
     

     

    "Dr. David Bearman" <s..[email protected]> Jan 08 11:03PM -0500  

    When it comes to drug policy the president has an important role to play. While we are discussing a state initiative here,we are ,or at least should be, trying to influence the national dialogue. Regardless of who one supports for president we do want to see drug policy reform be in the five or six top issues that the campaign is fought over. Exposing the abject failure of our state and national rug policy is something most of us have done for years and must keep doing.
    Peace
    Dr. Dave

     

    "Dr. David Bearman" <s..[email protected]> Jan 08 11:12PM -0500  

    It's true that Ron Paul won't be elected president, but it also appears possible that come the Republican nominating convention Romney will not have 50% plus one of the delegates. At this writing it looks like Paul, , Santorum and maybe Huntsman will have enough delegates to deny Romney a first ballot nomination. Then the horse trading begins. I know it's a fantasy but it sure would be interesting if adding a plank on drug policy reform were one of the things Paul was willing to trade off to give his delegates to Romney.

     

    Starchild <s..[email protected]> Jan 08 11:42PM -0800  

    Mickey,
     
    Your criticism of Steve DeAngelo for his willingness to throw
    "recreational" marijuana use under the bus was very well taken. But
    regarding this latest issue, I think you should take a look at another
    Huffington Post essay, from Robin Koerner:
     
    If You Love Peace, Become a "Blue Republican" (Just for a Year)
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-koerner/blue-republican_b_886650.html
    Posted: 7/7/11 01:00 PM ET
     
    The world lost its goodwill toward the USA when Americans voted for
    George W. Bush the second time around.
     
    I don't endorse the idea that American politics should be dictated by
    foreign opinions but a reading of the foreign press over the last six
    years reveals that the first election of President Bush Jr. was
    largely excused around the world since no one could have known what
    this new president was going to do.
    Moreover, America arguably didn't vote for him anyway in 2000.
     
    However, the second election President Bush was not excused, because
    by 2004, the modus operandi of the Bush administration was clear. He
    wanted to 1) conduct wars against countries that did not threaten us
    (e.g. Iraq), 2) oversee large financial benefits to companies with
    which those in his administration were close (e.g. Halliburton), 3)
    establish a legal framework for riding roughshod over the liberties of
    private individuals who are not suspected of crime (e.g. Patriot Act),
    and 4) establish a massive federal apparatus to carry out such
    intrusions on innocent Americans in what is becoming a police state
    (e.g. domestic wiretapping, TSA etc… )
     
    The more-or-less global delight upon Obama's election in 2008 followed
    largely from the hope that Americans had realized what a mistake they
    had made with Bush's second term and were therefore voting against the
    egregious actions of the then Republican establishment.
     
    When most Americans voted for "Hope" and "Change," the above four
    objectives were at the top of their list of what they "hoped" would be
    "changed."
     
    After two years, however, we now see that Obama 1) conducts wars
    against countries that do not threaten us (e.g. Libya, Yemen etc.), 2)
    oversees large financial benefits to companies with which those in his
    administration were close (e.g. Goldman Sachs), 3) supports the legal
    framework for riding roughshod over the liberties of private
    individuals who are not suspected of crime (e.g. Patriot Act), and 4)
    is growing a massive federal apparatus to carry out such intrusions on
    innocent Americans in what is becoming a police state (e.g. domestic
    wiretapping, TSA etc.. )
     
    Put another way, when it comes to such things as the killing of
    innocent people, taking from the common man to support cronies, and
    the elimination of the basic values that make our lives worth living,
    we had the hope, but we haven't had the change.
     
    Just as in 2000, Bush hadn't shown his true colors, in 2008, Obama had
    not either. A vote for either in those years was fair enough. But in
    2012, if you vote for the Democratic nominee for president, you better
    have a moral justification that is SO good that it is a) worth killing
    innocent people who don't threaten you, b) transferring wealth to the
    rich and well connected, and c) the complete suspension of your right
    to privacy and such basic rights as protecting your child from being
    touched by a government official with the full force of the law behind
    him as he just follows his orders.
     
    Do I labor the point? Good.
     
    I don't believe that such a justification exists. I'm having
    difficulty seeing how a Democrat who voted for Obama (whom I
    supported) for the right reasons in 2008 can in good conscience do so
    again given that there is another candidate who has been consistent in
    his opposition to all of these things — not just in words but in deeds.
     
    If you've read my other pieces, you already know who he is. But if
    not, you should also know that Ron Paul has voted to let states make
    their own laws on abortion, gay marriage etc. and to let individuals
    follow their own social conscience — even when he disagrees with them
    (as I disagree with him on some of these issues). In other words, he
    is consistent in his beliefs in civil liberty.
     
    If you are a Democrat, and you sit tight and vote Democrat again
    "because you've always been a Democrat" or because you think that some
    group with which you identity will benefit more from Democrat programs
    than a Republican one, then that is up to you, and I wish you well.
    But don't you dare pretend that you are motivated primarily by peace,
    civil rights or a government that treats people equally.
     
    That Ron Paul, who has been standing up for these principles quietly
    for half a lifetime, happens to be a member of the Republican party is
    a lot less important than the principles that we should be voting on.
    The fact that he is not a party guy should be obvious from his
    extensive differences in policy from his party and the fact that many
    think, given his views, he should not run as a Republican at all.
     
    As Dr. Paul often points out, however, we live in a country with a
    corrupt political party duopoly… and the system is stacked against
    anyone who would run outside the two party system. So he's doing what
    he has to do. And so should we as Americans who love peace and
    freedom. It really isn't complicated.
     
    Now, I know that the Republican party stinks to many Democrats and
    Independents who care about social justice and civil rights, but we
    all need to be smart and play the system to get the political outcomes
    we seek: you don't have to like a party or even identify with it to
    sign up as a Republican for a year to help make sure that the
    Republican primaries are won by the one representative who has always
    been for peace, has always voted against bailouts, and has always
    opposed the reach of government into your bedroom, your relationships
    and your person.
     
    And if you are a Democrat or socially progressive Independent, you
    can't tell me you weren't hoping for all that from Obama.
     
    Perhaps you see too much small-mindedness, or mean spirit or religious
    craziness in the Republican party. Sure you do. You can find all of
    them in spades. But since you can't change the Democrat ticket for
    2012, why not act where you can make a positive change — by telling
    the Republican party where you really want it to go… in the
    direction of peace and civil liberty (both of which, if you go back
    just a little way, can be found in the traditions of republicanism).
     
    Just in case you need to make it absolutely clear for your friends at
    work that you have not gone to the dark side, I offer you a special
    moniker to set yourselves apart and give yourself a way back once
    you've done what needs to be done — the "Blue Republican" — to
    signify, of course, your liberal sensibilities and perhaps even your
    history as a Democratic voter. (Or why not just tell your friends that
    Bill Maher and Jon Stewart seem to have already gotten the message?)
     
    I am aware that the main objection to Ron Paul from the left concerns
    his belief that private charities and individuals are more effective
    in maintaining social welfare than the government. To this I ask one
    question. Do you believe so much in the effectiveness of our current
    centralized delivery of social welfare that it is worth the war making
    and the abrogation of civil rights supported by both Bush and Obama's
    administrations? Moreover, while Ron Paul would look to transition out
    of the huge federally run welfare programs in the long-run, that's not
    where he wants to start: his immediate fight would be to bring our
    forces back to the USA and to re-implement the Bill of Rights.
     
    Ron Paul's electoral weakness is not a difficulty in winning a
    presidential election. It is in winning a primary in a party with a
    Conservative constituency that includes the religious right and neo-
    cons. An influx of peace and freedom-loving independents and Democrats
    would change the math on the Republican side and potentially the
    future of America by setting up a presidential contest with a pro
    peace, pro-civil rights candidate (who could outflank Obama on those
    issues, at least, from the left).
     
    Again, this isn't an endorsement of the Republican party or a claim
    that the Republican record is better than the Democrat on any of the
    issues discussed in this article. (It isn't.) It is not even a
    statement that Dr. Paul is some kind of panacea of American politics.
    Rather, it is to recognize simply that the one potential Presidential
    candidate who wishes to stop killing innocent people in foreign wars
    and stop transferring the wealth of poor and working Americans to the
    corporate elites happens to be — this time around — a Republican.
     
    It is also to recognize that any other political choice is for a
    status quo in which all the issues that really matter (war and peace,
    civil rights) are settled for the military industrial complex and the
    interests of the State over the individual.
     
    So what'll it be — same old team allegiance or new, Blue Republicans?
     
     
    If this isn't enough to convince you to give Ron Paul a chance,
    consider this piece from another liberal, Glenn Greenwald at Salon.com:
     
     
    SATURDAY, DEC 31, 2011 8:15 AM PST
    Progressives and the Ron Paul fallacies
    http://www.salon.com/2011/12/31/progressives_and_the_ron_paul_fallacies/singleton/
     
     
    VIDEO
    BY GLENN GREENWALD
     
    The signature of Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, is shown on the cover of an
    "Obama Countdown Calendar" during a campaign stop in Atlantic, Iowa,
    Thursday. (Credit: AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)
     
    (updated below)
     
    As I’ve written about before, America’s election season degrades
    mainstream political discourse even beyond its usual lowly state. The
    worst attributes of our political culture — obsession with
    trivialities, the dominance of horserace “reporting,” and mindless
    partisan loyalties — become more pronounced than ever. Meanwhile, the
    actually consequential acts of the U.S. Government and the permanent
    power factions that control it — covert endless wars, consolidation of
    unchecked power, the rapid growth of the Surveillance State and the
    secrecy regime, massive inequalities in the legal system, continuous
    transfers of wealth from the disappearing middle class to large
    corporate conglomerates — drone on with even less attention paid than
    usual.
     
    Because most of those policies are fully bipartisan in nature, the
    election season — in which only issues that bestow partisan advantage
    receive attention — places them even further outside the realm of
    mainstream debate and scrutiny. For that reason, America’s elections
    ironically serve to obsfuscate political reality even more than it
    usually is.
     
    This would all be bad enough if “election season” were confined to a
    few months the way it is in most civilized countries. But in America,
    the fixation on presidential elections takes hold at least eighteen
    months before the actual election occurs, which means that more than
    1/3 of a President’s term is conducted in the midst of (and is
    obscured by) the petty circus distractions of The Campaign. Thus, an
    unauthorized, potentially devastating covert war — both hot and cold —
    against Iran can be waged with virtually no debate, just as government
    control over the Internet can be inexorably advanced, because TV
    political shows are busy chattering away about Michele Bachmann’s
    latest gaffe and minute changes in Rick Perry’s polling numbers.
     
    Then there’s the full-scale sacrifice of intellectual honesty and
    political independence at the altar of tongue-wagging partisan
    loyalty. The very same people who in 2004 wildly cheered John Kerry —
    husband of the billionaire heiress-widow Teresa Heinz Kerry — spent
    all of 2008 mocking John McCain’s wealthy life courtesy of his
    millionaire heiress wife and will spend 2012 depicting Mitt Romney’s
    wealth as proof of his insularity; conversely, the same people who
    relentlessly mocked Kerry in 2004 as a kept girly-man and gigolo for
    living off his wife’s wealth spent 2008 venerating McCain as the
    Paragon of Manly Honor.
     
    That combat experience is an important presidential trait was insisted
    upon in 2004 by the very same people who vehemently denied it in 2008,
    and vice-versa. Long-time associations with controversial figures and
    inflammatory statements from decades ago either matter or they don’t
    depending on whom it hurts, etc. etc. During election season, even the
    pretense of consistency is proudly dispensed with; listening to these
    empty electioneering screeching matches for any period of time can
    generate the desire to jump off the nearest bridge to escape it.
     
    Then there’s the inability and/or refusal to recognize that a
    political discussion might exist independent of the Red v. Blue Cage
    Match. Thus, any critique of the President’s exercise of vast power
    (an adversarial check on which our political system depends)
    immediately prompts bafflement (I don’t understand the point: would
    Rick Perry be any better?) or grievance (you’re helping Mitt Romney by
    talking about this!!). The premise takes hold for a full 18 months —
    increasing each day in intensity until Election Day — that every
    discussion of the President’s actions must be driven solely by one’s
    preference for election outcomes (if you support the President’s re-
    election, then why criticize him?).
     
    Worse still is the embrace of George W. Bush’s with-us-or-against-us
    mentality as the prism through which all political discussions are
    filtered. It’s literally impossible to discuss any of the candidates’
    positions without having the simple-minded — who see all political
    issues exclusively as a Manichean struggle between the Big Bad
    Democrats and Good Kind Republicans or vice-versa — misapprehend “I
    agree with Candidate X’s position on Y” as “I support Candidate X for
    President” or “I disagree with Candidate X’s position on Y” as “I
    oppose Candidate X for President.” Even worse are the lying partisan
    enforcers who, like the Inquisitor Generals searching for any inkling
    of heresy, purposely distort any discrete praise for the Enemy as a
    general endorsement.
     
    So potent is this poison that no inoculation against it exists. No
    matter how expressly you repudiate the distortions in advance, they
    will freely flow. Hence: I’m about to discuss the candidacies of
    Barack Obama and Ron Paul, and no matter how many times I say that I
    am not “endorsing” or expressing support for anyone’s candidacy, the
    simple-minded Manicheans and the lying partisan enforcers will claim
    the opposite. But since it’s always inadvisable to refrain from
    expressing ideas in deference to the confusion and deceit of the
    lowest elements, I’m going to proceed to make a couple of important
    points about both candidacies even knowing in advance how wildly they
    will be distorted.
     
    * * * * *
     
    The Ron Paul candidacy, for so many reasons, spawns pervasive
    political confusion — both unintended and deliberate. Yesterday, The
    Nation‘s long-time liberal publisher, Katrina vanden Heuvel, wrote
    this on Twitter:
     
     
    That’s fairly remarkable: here’s the Publisher of The Nation praising
    Ron Paul not on ancillary political topics but central ones (“ending
    preemptive wars & challenging bipartisan elite consensus” on foreign
    policy), and going even further and expressing general

     

    Mickey Martin <s..[email protected]> Jan 09 11:01AM -0800  

    I am not saying to vote for Obama. Vote for whoever you want. I am saying it is extremely shallow to act as if cannabis is the only issue of importance in making that choice, and that promoting Republicans to punish Obama for inaction on medical cannabis is poor strategy, which makes our movement look like selfish assholes. Does that make more sense?
     
     
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..[email protected]
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
     
    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, West Coast Cannabis, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***
     
     
    ________________________________
    From: Starchild <s..[email protected]>
    Cc: DPFCA <s..[email protected]>
    Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 11:42 PM

     
    Mickey,
     
    Your criticism of Steve DeAngelo for his willingness to throw "recreational" marijuana use under the bus was very well taken. But regarding this latest issue, I think you should take a look at another Huffington Post essay, from Robin Koerner:
     
    If You Love Peace, Become a "Blue Republican" (Just for a Year)
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-koerner/blue-republican_b_886650.html
    Posted: 7/7/11 01:00 PM ET
     
    The world lost its goodwill toward the USA when Americans voted for George W. Bush the second time around.
    I don't endorse the idea that American politics should be dictated by foreign opinions but a reading of the foreign press over the last six years reveals that the first election of President Bush Jr. was largely excused around the world since no one could have known what this new president was going to do. 
    Moreover, America arguably didn't vote for him anyway in 2000.
    However, the second election President Bush was not excused, because by 2004, the modus operandi of the Bush administration was clear. He wanted to 1) conduct wars against countries that did not threaten us (e.g. Iraq), 2) oversee large financial benefits to companies with which those in his administration were close (e.g. Halliburton), 3) establish a legal framework for riding roughshod over the liberties of private individuals who are not suspected of crime (e.g. Patriot Act), and 4) establish a massive federal apparatus to carry out such intrusions on innocent Americans in what is becoming a police state (e.g. domestic wiretapping, TSA etc… )
    The more-or-less global delight upon Obama's election in 2008 followed largely from the hope that Americans had realized what a mistake they had made with Bush's second term and were therefore voting against the egregious actions of the then Republican establishment.
    When most Americans voted for "Hope" and "Change," the above four objectives were at the top of their list of what they "hoped" would be "changed."
    After two years, however, we now see that Obama 1) conducts wars against countries that do not threaten us (e.g. Libya, Yemen etc.), 2) oversees large financial benefits to companies with which those in his administration were close (e.g. Goldman Sachs), 3) supports the legal framework for riding roughshod over the liberties of private individuals who are not suspected of crime (e.g. Patriot Act), and 4) is growing a massive federal apparatus to carry out such intrusions on innocent Americans in what is becoming a police state (e.g. domestic wiretapping, TSA etc.. )
    Put another way, when it comes to such things as the killing of innocent people, taking from the common man to support cronies, and the elimination of the basic values that make our lives worth living, we had the hope, but we haven't had the change.
    Just as in 2000, Bush hadn't shown his true colors, in 2008, Obama had not either. A vote for either in those years was fair enough. But in 2012, if you vote for the Democratic nominee for president, you better have a moral justification that is SO good that it is a) worth killing innocent people who don't threaten you, b) transferring wealth to the rich and well connected, and c) the complete suspension of your right to privacy and such basic rights as protecting your child from being touched by a government official with the full force of the law behind him as he just follows his orders.
    Do I labor the point? Good.
    I don't believe that such a justification exists. I'm having difficulty seeing how a Democrat who voted for Obama (whom I supported) for the right reasons in 2008 can in good conscience do so again given that there is another candidate who has been consistent in his opposition to all of these things — not just in words but in deeds.
    If you've read my other pieces, you already know who he is. But if not, you should also know that Ron Paul has voted to let states make their own laws on abortion, gay marriage etc. and to let individuals follow their own social conscience — even when he disagrees with them (as I disagree with him on some of these issues). In other words, he is consistent in his beliefs in civil liberty.
    If you are a Democrat, and you sit tight and vote Democrat again "because you've always been a Democrat" or because you think that some group with which you identity will benefit more from Democrat programs than a Republican one, then that is up to you, and I wish you well. But don't you dare pretend that you are motivated primarily by peace, civil rights or a government that treats people equally.
    That Ron Paul, who has been standing up for these principles quietly for half a lifetime, happens to be a member of the Republican party is a lot less important than the principles that we should be voting on. The fact that he is not a party guy should be obvious from his extensive differences in policy from his party and the fact that many think, given his views, he should not run as a Republican at all.
    As Dr. Paul often points out, however, we live in a country with a corrupt political party duopoly… and the system is stacked against anyone who would run outside the two party system. So he's doing what he has to do. And so should we as Americans who love peace and freedom. It really isn't complicated.
    Now, I know that the Republican party stinks to many Democrats and Independents who care about social justice and civil rights, but we all need to be smart and play the system to get the political outcomes we seek: you don't have to like a party or even identify with it to sign up as a Republican for a year to help make sure that the Republican primaries are won by the one representative who has always been for peace, has always voted against bailouts, and has always opposed the reach of government into your bedroom, your relationships and your person.
    And if you are a Democrat or socially progressive Independent, you can't tell me you weren't hoping for all that from Obama.
    Perhaps you see too much small-mindedness, or mean spirit or religious craziness in the Republican party. Sure you do. You can find all of them in spades. But since you can't change the Democrat ticket for 2012, why not act where you can make a positive change — by telling the Republican party where you really want it to go… in the direction of peace and civil liberty (both of which, if you go back just a little way, can be found in the traditions of republicanism).
    Just in case you need to make it absolutely clear for your friends at work that you have not gone to the dark side, I offer you a special moniker to set yourselves apart and give yourself a way back once you've done what needs to be done — the "Blue Republican" — to signify, of course, your liberal sensibilities and perhaps even your history as a Democratic voter. (Or why not just tell your friends that Bill Maher and Jon Stewart seem to have already gotten the message?)
    I am aware that the main objection to Ron Paul from the left concerns his belief that private charities and individuals are more effective in maintaining social welfare than the government. To this I ask one question. Do you believe so much in the effectiveness of our current centralized delivery of social welfare that it is worth the war making and the abrogation of civil rights supported by both Bush and Obama's administrations? Moreover, while Ron Paul would look to transition out of the huge federally run welfare programs in the long-run, that's not where he wants to start: his immediate fight would be to bring our forces back to the USA and to re-implement the Bill of Rights.
    Ron Paul's electoral weakness is not a difficulty in winning a presidential election. It is in winning a primary in a party with a Conservative constituency that includes the religious right and neo-cons. An influx of peace and freedom-loving independents and Democrats would change the math on the Republican side and potentially the future of America by setting up a presidential contest with a pro peace, pro-civil rights candidate (who could outflank Obama on those issues, at least, from the left).
    Again, this isn't an endorsement of the Republican party or a claim that the Republican record is better than the Democrat on any of the issues discussed in this article. (It isn't.) It is not even a statement that Dr. Paul is some kind of panacea of American politics. Rather, it is to recognize simply that the one potential Presidential candidate who wishes to stop killing innocent people in foreign wars and stop transferring the wealth of poor and working Americans to the corporate elites happens to be — this time around — a Republican. 
     
    It is also to recognize that any other political choice is for a status quo in which all the issues that really matter (war and peace, civil rights) are settled for the military industrial complex and the interests of the State over the individual.
    So what'll it be — same old team allegiance or new, Blue Republicans? 
     
     
    If this isn't enough to convince you to give Ron Paul a chance, consider this piece from another liberal, Glenn Greenwald at Salon.com:
     
     
    SATURDAY, DEC 31, 2011 8:15 AM PST
    Progressives and the Ron Paul fallacies
    http://www.salon.com/2011/12/31/progressives_and_the_ron_paul_fallacies/singleton/
     
     
    VIDEO
    BY GLENN GREENWALD * *
    The signature of Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, is shown on the cover of an "Obama Countdown Calendar" during a campaign stop in Atlantic, Iowa, Thursday.  (Credit: AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)
    (updated below)
    As I’ve written about before, America’s election season degrades mainstream political discourse even beyond its usual lowly state. The worst attributes of our political culture — obsession with trivialities, the dominance of horserace “reporting,” and mindless partisan loyalties — become more pronounced than ever. Meanwhile, the actually consequential acts of the U.S. Government and the permanent power factions that control it — covert endless wars, consolidation of unchecked power, the rapid growth of the Surveillance State and the secrecy regime, massive inequalities in the legal system, continuous transfers of wealth from the disappearing middle class to large corporate conglomerates — drone on with even less attention paid than usual.
    Because most of those policies are fully bipartisan in nature, the election season — in which only issues that bestow partisan advantage receive attention — places them even further outside the realm of mainstream debate and scrutiny. For that reason, America’s elections ironically serve to obsfuscate political reality even more than it usually is.
    This would all be bad enough if “election season” were confined to a few months the way it is in most civilized countries. But in America, the fixation on presidential elections takes hold at least eighteen months before the actual election occurs, which means that more than 1/3 of a President’s term is conducted in the midst of (and is obscured by) the petty circus distractions of The Campaign. Thus, an unauthorized, potentially devastating covert war — both hot and cold — against Iran can be waged with virtually no debate, just as government control over the Internet can be inexorably advanced, because TV political shows are busy chattering away about Michele Bachmann’s latest gaffe and minute changes in Rick Perry’s polling numbers.
    Then there’s the full-scale sacrifice of intellectual honesty and political independence at the altar of tongue-wagging partisan loyalty. The very same people who in 2004 wildly cheered John Kerry — husband of the billionaire heiress-widow Teresa Heinz Kerry — spent all of 2008 mocking John McCain’s wealthy life courtesy of his millionaire heiress wife and will spend 2012 depicting Mitt Romney’s wealth as proof of his insularity; conversely, the same people who relentlessly mocked Kerry in 2004 as a kept girly-man and gigolo for living off his wife’s wealth spent 2008 venerating McCain as the Paragon of Manly Honor.
    That combat experience is an important presidential trait was insisted upon in 2004 by the very same people who vehemently denied it in 2008, and vice-versa. Long-time associations with controversial figures and inflammatory statements from decades ago either matter or they don’t depending on whom it hurts, etc. etc. During election season, even the pretense of consistency is proudly dispensed with; listening to these empty electioneering screeching matches for any period of time can generate the desire to jump off the nearest bridge to escape it.
    Then there’s the inability and/or refusal to recognize that a political discussion might exist independent of the Red v. Blue Cage Match. Thus, any critique of the President’s exercise of vast power (an adversarial check on which our political system depends) immediately prompts bafflement (I don’t understand the point: would Rick Perry be any better?) or grievance (you’re helping Mitt Romney by talking about this!!). The premise takes hold for a full 18 months — increasing each day in intensity until Election Day — that every discussion of the President’s actions must be driven solely by one’s preference for election outcomes (if you support the President’s re-election, then why criticize him?).
    Worse still is the embrace of George W. Bush’s with-us-or-against-us mentality as the prism through which all political discussions are filtered. It’s literally impossible to discuss any of the candidates’ positions without having the simple-minded — who see all political issues exclusively as a Manichean struggle between the Big Bad Democrats and Good Kind Republicans or vice-versa — misapprehend “I agree with Candidate X’s position on Y” as “I support Candidate X for President” or “I disagree with Candidate X’s position on Y” as “I oppose Candidate X for President.” Even worse are the lying partisan enforcers who, like the Inquisitor Generals searching for any inkling of heresy, purposely distort any discrete praise for the Enemy as a general endorsement.
    So potent is this poison that no inoculation against it exists. No matter how expressly you repudiate the distortions in advance, they will freely flow. Hence: I’m about to discuss the candidacies of Barack Obama and Ron Paul, and no matter how many times I say that I am not “endorsing” or expressing support for anyone’s candidacy, the simple-minded Manicheans and the lying partisan enforcers will claim the opposite. But since it’s always inadvisable to refrain from expressing ideas in deference to the confusion and deceit of the lowest elements, I’m going to proceed to make a couple of important points about both candidacies even knowing in advance how wildly they will be distorted.
    * * * * *
    The Ron Paul candidacy, for so many reasons, spawns pervasive

     

 

    "s..[email protected]" <s..[email protected]> Jan 09 12:16PM -0800  

    Brian….Put your money where your mouth is. $100 says Paul does not make the ticket…..again.
     
    Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
     
    —–Original message—–
    Sent: Mon, Jan 9, 2012 19:14:33 GMT+00:00
     
     
     
     
     
    I would agree with Dan, Dave and Mickey, but then 4 people would be wrong.
     
     
     
    If you don't understand Ron Paul's politics comparred to Goldman Sachs', er, I mean Obama's politics than YOU aren't doing your homework.
     
     
     
    Please at least start with someone whom you trust, Glenn Greenwald, though I wouldn't be surprised that the smoke in front of Mickey, Dave and Dan have clouded their eyes to even his writing.
     
     
     
    Glenn Greenwald: Progressives and the Ron Paul fallacies
     
     
     
    And don't be short with research, follow the links please.
     
     
     
    "Wasted Votes," as if you get a loli-pop for choosing who you think is going to win the presidency.
     
     
     
    Oh dear.
     
     
    Brian Romanoff
     
    — On Sun, 1/8/12, Mickey Martin <s..[email protected]> wrote:
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Yup….
     
     
     
     
    On Jan 8, 2012, at 7:01 PM, El Camino Wellness Center <s..[email protected]> wrote:
     
     
     
     
    Mickey, did you ever actually send that letter to Obama?
     

     

    Jeff Jones <s..[email protected]> Jan 09 02:06PM -0800  

    yes, I agree Democratic presidents such, they spend to much time selling
    out to everyone. We have not seen this much attacking since Clinton or
    early Bush Admin.
     
    Jeff
     
    lynnette shaw wrote:

     

    "s..[email protected]" <s..[email protected]> Jan 09 02:24PM -0800  

    Obama denied my pardon request and I am just as pissed as anyone. I guess I am just not getting how voting for Ron Paul as a Republican in a Republican Primary hurts Obama. He will not be the Republican nominee.
     
    So then what? Does the "anyone but Obama" strategy hold up when it is Obama vs. Romney? If so, how?
     
    Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
     
    —–Original message—–
     
     
     
    Cc: DPFCA <s..[email protected]>
     
    Sent: Mon, Jan 9, 2012 22:04:02 GMT+00:00
     
     
    As one who was betrayed and destroyed by Obama personally, I am glad I can, at least, return the favor as a "Blue Republican for Ron Paul " this primary.
     
    – Lynnette Shaw
     
    — On Mon, 1/9/12, Mickey Martin <s..[email protected]> wrote:
     
     
     
     
    Cc: "DPFCA" <s..[email protected]>
     
     
    I am not saying to vote for Obama. Vote for whoever you want. I am saying it is extremely shallow to act as if cannabis is the only issue of importance in making that choice, and that promoting Republicans to punish Obama for inaction on medical cannabis is poor strategy, which makes our movement look like selfish assholes. Does that make more sense?
     
    Mickey Martin
     
    T-Comp Consulting Director
     
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
     
    www.tcompconsulting.com
     
    s..[email protected]
     
    (phone#-removed)
     
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    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, West Coast Cannabis, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***
     
     
     
    Cc: DPFCA <s..[email protected]>
     
    Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 11:42 PM
     
     
    Mickey,
     
    Your criticism of Steve DeAngelo for his willingness to throw "recreational" marijuana use under the bus was very well taken. But regarding this latest issue, I think you should take a look at another Huffington Post essay, from Robin Koerner:
     
    If You Love Peace, Become a "Blue Republican" (Just for a Year)
     
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-koerner/blue-republican_b_886650.html
     
    Posted: 7/7/11 01:00 PM ET
     
    The world lost its goodwill toward the USA when Americans voted for George W. Bush the second time around.
     
    I don't endorse the idea that American politics should be dictated by foreign opinions but a reading of the foreign press over the last six years reveals that the first election of President Bush Jr. was largely excused around the world since no one could have known what this new president was going to do.
     
    Moreover, America arguably didn't vote for him anyway in 2000.
     
    However, the second election President Bush was not excused, because by 2004, the modus operandi of the Bush administration was clear. He wanted to 1) conduct wars against countries that did not threaten us (eg Iraq), 2) oversee large financial benefits to companies with which those in his administration were close (eg Halliburton), 3) establish a legal framework for riding roughshod over the liberties of private individuals who are not suspected of crime (eg Patriot Act), and 4) establish a massive federal apparatus to carry out such intrusions on innocent Americans in what is becoming a police state (eg domestic wiretapping, TSA etc… )
     
    The more-or-less global delight upon Obama's election in 2008 followed largely from the hope that Americans had realized what a mistake they had made with Bush's second term and were therefore voting against the egregious actions of the then Republican establishment.
     
    When most Americans voted for "Hope" and "Change," the above four objectives were at the top of their list of what they "hoped" would be "changed."
     
    After two years, however, we now see that Obama 1) conducts wars against countries that do not threaten us (eg Libya, Yemen etc.), 2) oversees large financial benefits to companies with which those in his administration were close (eg Goldman Sachs), 3) supports the legal framework for riding roughshod over the liberties of private individuals who are not suspected of crime (eg Patriot Act), and 4) is growing a massive federal apparatus to carry out such intrusions on innocent Americans in what is becoming a police state (eg domestic wiretapping, TSA etc.. )
     
    Put another way, when it comes to such things as the killing of innocent people, taking from the common man to support cronies, and the elimination of the basic values that make our lives worth living, we had the hope, but we haven't had the change.
     
    Just as in 2000, Bush hadn't shown his true colors, in 2008, Obama had not either. A vote for either in those years was fair enough. But in 2012, if you vote for the Democratic nominee for president, you better have a moral justification that is SO good that it is a) worth killing innocent people who don't threaten you, b) transferring wealth to the rich and well connected, and c) the complete suspension of your right to privacy and such basic rights as protecting your child from being touched by a government official with the full force of the law behind him as he just follows his orders.
     
    Do I labor the point? Good.
     
    I don't believe that such a justification exists. I'm having difficulty seeing how a Democrat who voted for Obama (whom I supported) for the right reasons in 2008 can in good conscience do so again given that there is another candidate who has been consistent in his opposition to all of these things — not just in words but in deeds.
     
    If you've read my other pieces, you already know who he is. But if not, you should also know that Ron Paul has voted to let states make their own laws on abortion, gay marriage etc. and to let individuals follow their own social conscience — even when he disagrees with them (as I disagree with him on some of these issues). In other words, he is consistent in his beliefs in civil liberty.
     
    If you are a Democrat, and you sit tight and vote Democrat again "because you've always been a Democrat" or because you think that some group with which you identity will benefit more from Democrat programs than a Republican one, then that is up to you, and I wish you well. But don't you dare pretend that you are motivated primarily by peace, civil rights or a government that treats people equally.
     
    That Ron Paul, who has been standing up for these principles quietly for half a lifetime, happens to be a member of the Republican party is a lot less important than the principles that we should be voting on. The fact that he is not a party guy should be obvious from his extensive differences in policy from his party and the fact that many think, given his views, he should not run as a Republican at all.
     
    As Dr. Paul often points out, however, we live in a country with a corrupt political party duopoly… and the system is stacked against anyone who would run outside the two party system. So he's doing what he has to do. And so should we as Americans who love peace and freedom. It really isn't complicated.
     
    Now, I know that the Republican party stinks to many Democrats and Independents who care about social justice and civil rights, but we all need to be smart and play the system to get the political outcomes we seek: you don't have to like a party or even identify with it to sign up as a Republican for a year to help make sure that the Republican primaries are won by the one representative who has always been for peace, has always voted against bailouts, and has always opposed the reach of government into your bedroom, your relationships and your person.
     
    And if you are a Democrat or socially progressive Independent, you can't tell me you weren't hoping for all that from Obama.
     
    Perhaps you see too much small-mindedness, or mean spirit or religious craziness in the Republican party. Sure you do. You can find all of them in spades. But since you can't change the Democrat ticket for 2012, why not act where you can make a positive change — by telling the Republican party where you really want it to go… in the direction of peace and civil liberty (both of which, if you go back just a little way, can be found in the traditions of republicanism).
     
    Just in case you need to make it absolutely clear for your friends at work that you have not gone to the dark side, I offer you a special moniker to set yourselves apart and give yourself a way back once you've done what needs to be done — the "Blue Republican" — to signify, of course, your liberal sensibilities and perhaps even your history as a Democratic voter. (Or why not just tell your friends that Bill Maher and Jon Stewart seem to have already gotten the message?)
     
    I am aware that the main objection to Ron Paul from the left concerns his belief that private charities and individuals are more effective in maintaining social welfare than the government. To this I ask one question. Do you believe so much in the effectiveness of our current centralized delivery of social welfare that it is worth the war making and the abrogation of civil rights supported by both Bush and Obama's administrations? Moreover, while Ron Paul would look to transition out of the huge federally run welfare programs in the long-run, that's not where he wants to start: his immediate fight would be to bring our forces back to the USA and to re-implement the Bill of Rights.
     
    Ron Paul's electoral weakness is not a difficulty in winning a presidential election. It is in winning a primary in a party with a Conservative constituency that includes the religious right and neo-cons. An influx of peace and freedom-loving independents and Democrats would change the math on the Republican side and potentially the future of America by setting up a presidential contest with a pro peace, pro-civil rights candidate (who could outflank Obama on those issues, at least, from the left).
     
    Again, this isn't an endorsement of the Republican party or a claim that the Republican record is better than the Democrat on any of the issues discussed in this article. (It isn't.) It is not even a statement that Dr. Paul is some kind of panacea of American politics. Rather, it is to recognize simply that the one potential Presidential candidate who wishes to stop killing innocent people in foreign wars and stop transferring the wealth of poor and working Americans to the corporate elites happens to be — this time around — a Republican.
     
    It is also to recognize that any other political choice is for a status quo in which all the issues that really matter (war and peace, civil rights) are settled for the military industrial complex and the interests of the State over the individual.
     
    So what'll it be — same old team allegiance or new, Blue Republicans?
     
    If this isn't enough to convince you to give Ron Paul a chance, consider this piece from another liberal, Glenn Greenwald at Salon.com:
     
    SATURDAY, DEC 31, 2011 8:15 AM PST
     
    Progressives and the Ron Paul fallacies
     
    http://www.salon.com/2011/12/31/progressives_and_the_ron_paul_fallacies/singleton/
     
    VIDEO
     
    BY GLENN GREENWALD
     
    Ron Paul
     
    The signature of Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, is shown on the cover of an "Obama Countdown Calendar" during a campaign stop in Atlantic, Iowa, Thursday. (Credit: AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)
     
    (updated below)
     
    As I've written about before, America's election season degrades mainstream political discourse even beyond its usual lowly state. The worst attributes of our political culture — obsession with trivialities, the dominance of horserace “reporting,” and mindless partisan loyalties — become more pronounced than ever. Meanwhile, the actually consequential acts of the US Government and the permanent power factions that control it — covert endless wars, consolidation of unchecked power, the rapid growth of the Surveillance State and the secrecy regime, massive inequalities in the legal system, continuous transfers of wealth from the disappearing middle class to large corporate conglomerates — drone on with even less attention paid than usual.
     
    Because most of those policies are fully bipartisan in nature, the election season — in which only issues that bestow partisan advantage receive attention — places them even further outside the realm of mainstream debate and scrutiny. For that reason, America's elections ironically serve to obsfuscate political reality even more than it usually is.
     
    This would all be bad enough if “election season” were confined to a few months the way it is in most civilized countries. But in America, the fixation on presidential elections takes hold at least eighteen months before the actual election occurs, which means that more than 1/3 of a President's term is conducted in the midst of (and is obscured by) the petty circus distractions of The Campaign. Thus, an unauthorized, potentially devastating covert war — both hot and cold — against Iran can be waged with virtually no debate, just as government control over the Internet can be inexorably advanced, because TV political shows are busy chattering away about Michele Bachmann's latest gaffe and minute changes in Rick Perry's polling numbers.
     
    Then there's the full-scale sacrifice of intellectual honesty and political independence at the altar of tongue-wagging partisan loyalty. The very same people who in 2004 wildly cheered John Kerry — husband of the billionaire heiress-widow Teresa Heinz Kerry — spent all of 2008 mocking John McCain's wealthy life courtesy of his millionaire heiress wife and will spend 2012 depicting Mitt Romney's wealth as proof of his insularity; conversely, the same people who relentlessly mocked Kerry in 2004 as a kept girly-man and gigolo for living off his wife's wealth spent 2008 venerating McCain as the Paragon of Manly Honor.
     
    That combat experience is an important presidential trait was insisted upon in 2004 by the very same people who vehemently denied it in 2008, and vice-versa. Long-time associations with controversial figures and inflammatory statements from decades ago either matter or they don't depending on whom it hurts, etc. etc. During election season, even the pretense of consistency is proudly dispensed with; listening to these empty electioneering screeching matches for any period of time can generate the desire to jump off the nearest bridge to escape it.
     
    Then there's the inability and/or refusal to recognize that a political discussion might exist independent of the Red v. Blue Cage Match. Thus, any critique of the President's exercise of vast power (an adversarial check on which our political system depends) immediately prompts bafflement (I don't understand the point: would Rick Perry be any better?) or grievance (you're helping Mitt Romney by talking about this!!). The premise takes hold for a full 18 months — increasing each day in intensity until Election Day — that every discussion of the President's actions must be driven solely by one's preference for election outcomes (if you support the President's re-election, then why criticize him?).
     
    Worse still is the embrace of George W. Bush's with-us-or-against-us mentality as the prism through which all political discussions are filtered. It's literally impossible to discuss any of the candidates' positions without having the simple-minded — who see all political issues exclusively as a Manichean struggle between the Big Bad Democrats and Good Kind Republicans or vice-versa — misapprehend

     

 

    Dave Hodges <s..[email protected]> Jan 09 02:56PM -0800  

    The problem is that it is not as simple as "it's Obama's fault!". The
    fact is Obama's got a lot of bullshit to deal with… and in all
    likelihood what happened regarding the latest enforcement efforts was
    an attempt by our true enemies to take are support away from Obama. I
    don't have the "smoking gun" to prove it but, I'd put my money on Gil
    Kerlikowske working with the NNOAC (National Narcotic Officers'
    Associations' Coalition) and the CNOA (California Narcotic Officers'
    Association) to empower the US attorneys.
     
    This has nothing to do with Obama other then Gil "works" for him. What
    we should be calling for is for Obama to give us the head of Gil
    Kerlikowske. Anyone who makes a public statement like this "I inhaled
    frequently" "That was the point"-Barack Obama… IS on our side…
    Once you can say you've "inhaled frequently", you know the real truth
    of cannabis. We should trust his "stoner on the inside" and know that
    the "other side" will use tactics like this, knowing that Obama has
    limited options to respond, and can not run on a "legalization of
    cannabis" platform. If we want a direct response from Obama, we must
    ask for something he can do, like replace Gil Kerlikowske.
     
    The biggest benefit to Obama winning would mean he would have the
    political power and, as a second term president, the correct
    political timing to do something drastic such as de-schedule cannabis.
     
    If we divide our votes we face the real risk of opening the door from
    someone like Rick Perry or Mitt Romney.
     
    Best Regards,
    Dave Hodges
     
     

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..[email protected]> Jan 09 02:57PM -0800  

    EXaclty. I dont think that will have an effect . We need to focus on
    getting mj debate into presidental debate and taken seriously . Not as
    a side show . And we gain nothing by supporting republicans nor any
    other conservative party that doesnt have a solid comphresive position
    that will forward with equality and social justice. Implement policy
    change .empty prisons . I am abit curious about the justice party?
    Anyone have any insight on them?
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    Hal Muskat <s..[email protected]> Jan 09 03:16PM -0800  

    Well Mickey, there IS a distinction between voting in the Primary &
    General Election. I could understand a "concentrated strategy" of trying
    to deliver Republican Primary votes to Paul ON ONE ISSUE while being
    critical of his other anti-progressive positions. And, this would not in
    any way tweak the Rep platform, to be sure, but would provide MEDIA, not
    a bad thing. I think all it would take would be to switch parties well
    enough in advance of the primary.
     
    A vote for a Republican in the Primary by thousands of progressive Dems
    could fuck up their counting and DOES NOT indicate a vote in the General
    Election.
     
    I really can not understand ANY progressive who supports Universal
    Health Care, Women's Right To Choose, etc etc & blah blah blah, would
    turn on that & the rest of us, for a one issue presidential vote. I am
    certain I'd NOT trade legal pot for abortion bans, no health care,
    shuttering of EPA, etc.
     
    Peace,
     
    Hal
    SF Veteran's For Peace
    "Sir, No Sir!"
     
     
     
     
     

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..[email protected]> Jan 09 03:20PM -0800  

    GOod solid points and i dont have that smoking pistol either but the
    proof is in the pudding. They acheived their goals and dumded down the
    debate by its obamas betrayal lets grab that affluent cannabis vote
    for republicans . Becuase im not how more clear i can be to everyone
    but poor patients? Living on disablity?vets? Moms?lbgt? who vote? Yes
    upset by obama but never would even consider a vote for republicans or
    subset thereof becuase that would be a suicidal political choice. They
    have muddled the waters for the afluent cannabis vote. This hogwash is
    aimed at middle class consumer and otherwise privleged. We ? Shall not
    be moved
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

 

    <s..[email protected]> Jan 09 01:02PM -0700  

    Greetings,
     
    Read your note on the Supreme court certiorari denial to the Sheriffs. Good show!
     
    I have been losing sleep over the ATF memo late last year regarding our Second Amendment Rights and choice of alternative medicine. Let me give you a short bio and you will see why.
     
    I was born into the Firearms industry as my Grandfather had started a retail store in Mountain View, CA in 1950. Working in all aspects of the industry from manufacturing all the way to retail sales, gunsmithing and everything in between! With this knowledge I have achieved many goals in the competitive shooting world. Notably Three time California State Pistol Champion and I won my Distinguished Pistol Shot Badge(#1289) as a Civilian in only 3 matches! I have competed in and plan to attend many National, State, Regional and Local Matches to come.
     
    Having worked as a machinist and a short stint as a Tow Truck Operator on the side I developed severe back and knee pain from injuries. Medical Cannabis and I go way back to ~1980 at around age 14 I am 45 now. I decided after some Law enforcement issues with simple possession I could obtain and did in 2009 a Doctors recommendation. At this same time I found there was no safe or affordable access to medical cannabis in the Mountain View, CA area. So being UN-employed at the time I took it upon myself to become an activist in the "movement" and bring safe and affordable access to Mountain View. I am a businessman that has experience in dealing with restricted goods so I figured it was a slam dunk! I fired up the Not-for Profit and wrote a business plan. Since then after spending $5,000.00 on a "pot lobbyist" that helped get us banned in two cities, from my failure to see through his incorrect procedure. Waiting on another neighboring city to vote in November 2012 to allow 3 MCDC's, I may pursue a location then.
     
    So when the ATF sent a letter to all Gun dealers, regarding the medical cannabis patients inability to acquire firearms, this worried me.
     
    An interesting twist is my Youngest Brother Greg has re-opened the Eddy's gun store and has told me he won't sell me, his own brother, a gun as he knows I have a Dr recommendation.
     
    I will commit perjury if I answer NO to the question "are you an unlawful user of…"
     
    Being very poor, unemployed at the moment I am selling more guns then I am buying,but I need that option open!
     
    Can you refer me to anyone that is working on any cases against the ATF to get them to change the wording on the form to perhaps simply remove the evil word "Marijuana" from the ATF Form #4473
     
    Thanks in advance to you or anyone that can help me in my plight to save medical cannabis patients 2nd amendment rights!
     
    Brian David
     
    Executive Director
     
    Shoreline Wellness Collective
     
    PO Box 352
     
    Mountain View, CA
     
    s..[email protected]
     
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    "Dr. David Bearman" <s..[email protected]> Jan 08 11:33PM -0500  

    Actually I was Medical Drector of the Santa Barbara County Methadone Maintenance Program (which at the time I think was in the Mental Health Department) Medical Director of the Ventura County Inpatient Heroin Detoxification Program,, Medical Director and Director of The Health Services Department of The Santa Barbara Regional Health Authority (the oldest county organised Medicaid managed care program in the country), and was Director of the Sutter County Health Department and Health Officer for Sutter County, director of Health Services at Diego State University and an officer in the United States Public Health Service but I was never Director of The Santa Barbara Mental Health Department. But hey, that's pretty close. You may have my resume mixed up with Chris Fitchner who was The Director of the Illinois Department of Mental Health.
    . Looking forward to speaking with you tomorrow night.
    peace
    Dr. Dave
     

     

    "Dr. David Bearman" <s..[email protected]> Jan 08 11:19PM -0500  

    I'm not sure that parents with teenagers want to see their kids go to jail. I'm pretty sure they don't. Most middle class voters think the drug laws apply to someone other than their kids and they're probably right,. While Black and Brown children fare far worse in the criminal justice system than white kids, the more money you have the better your chances in court. One of my patients is fond of saying that you are innocent until proven broke.
    Dr. Dave

     

January 9, 2012 – Digest for s..[email protected] – 24 Messages in 7 Topics

    Hal Muskat <s..s@a2c2.us> Jan 08 10:11AM -0800  

    In addition to being pro-mariju­ana, if the candidate also supports
    bombing Iran & Iraq, not letting gays marry, abolishing the EPA, IRS,
    Education Dept, FCC, education department­, is against national health
    care and is for privatizin­g social security, while telling women what
    they can & can't do with their bodies, I would not vote for ANY
    "pro-marijuana" issue they supported & would still work to defeat them,
    like I would any other reactionary with one or two popular lines!
     
     
    Then again, if I had a 23 million dollar business to support, I might be
    a Republican too!
     
    On 1/7/12 8:43 PM, Mickey Martin wrote:

     

 

 

 

    David Malmo-Levine <s..s@a2c2.us> Jan 08 12:06PM -0800  

    I gotta wonder why there is a picture of Ron Paul wearing a tin foil hat
    when there's nothing in the article about Ron Paul … he might not have an
    abortion policy I agree with but if I have to trade a woman's right to not
    have to drive out of state to get an abortion for ending the global drug
    war and the global oil war, it's a matter of picking the lesser of two
    evils. Ron Paul's abortion policy adversely effects tens of millions of
    Americans, but the pro-war stance of every other option adversely effects
    billions of people.
     
     
     

     

    Dave Hodges <s..s@a2c2.us> Jan 08 12:41PM -0800  

    Thank you Dan! I don't think anyone could have said it better.
     
    Best Regards,
    Dave Hodges
     
     

     

 

    Sonny Kumar <s..s@a2c2.us> Jan 08 02:22PM -0800  

    I agree, Dan nailed it.
     
    Unfortunately, there are some very frantic people, like me. We are looking for whatever answer we can to provide a solution for this mess.
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

 

    John Masterson <s..s@a2c2.us> Jan 08 04:03PM -0700  

    Aren't we trying to get the Democrats to line up with us, rather than
    continue to support draconian policies?
     
    On 01/08/2012 03:22 PM, Sonny Kumar wrote:

     

    Hal Muskat <s..s@a2c2.us> Jan 08 03:41PM -0800  

    "abortion crowd and the gun rights (proponents) got thier power because
    their adherents are indeed one-issue voters"
     
    & perhaps cause they got funding from mega-billionaires as well as
    exposure from Hollywood stars & could work Jesus into the equation every
    Sunday to really dumb down anti-abortion & gun-control advocates? Their
    so-called single issue narrow focus allowed them to identify & zero in
    on the least intelligent of this country's population, sorry to say!
     
    It's all about the money & how it gets spent! Then it's about the
    message & how it gets publicized.
     
    Peace,
     
    Hal Muskat
    SF Veteran's For Peace
    "Sir, No Sir!"
     
     
     
    On 1/8/12 10:16 AM, LANNYSWERDLOW wrote:

     

    Lisa Cordova Schwarz <s..s@a2c2.us> Jan 08 05:01PM -0800  

    This is group should stay out of partisan politics and stay focused on
    "Saving Cannabis."
     
    On Jan 8, 2012, at 10:32 AM, <s..s@a2c2.us> <s..s@a2c2.us
    > wrote:
     
    > if you are going to use this group to push you personal choice for
    > president – take me off the fucking list.
     
    Peace, Lisa Cordova Schwarz
    s..s@a2c2.us

     

 

 

 

    "Dr. David Bearman" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jan 07 09:11PM -0500  

    The QUESTION is who are we trying to convince that the corrent approach is wrong. It is NOT the 35 -42% who will never vote to change the current failed approach no matter how many facts we present, no matter what arguement we make. We need to canvince one third of this 15 % or maybe 55% of the 8% to vote for a sensible reasonable change.
     
    There must be tons of polls indicating what the concerns of this persuadable group is. For instance vocabulary is important. We know that you can't use the word legalize or you lose a large chunk of this potentially persuadable group. We know that making cannabis available for medical purposes is a winner,but that is not what we are dealing with here. Some polls find that decriminalize is acceptable but that often translates into making possession an infraction and not achieving the humane goal of getting rid of any criminal penalty or stigma for adult social use. Tax and regulate is a phrase that reasonates with the persuadable. On the other hand as many have pointed out all use is medical tends to turn this group off.
     
    As long as we are only looking at what we want we are ignoring our target audience,the voters who did not vote for prop 19 but with the right concept and terminology would support adult social use with no or minimal criminal penalties( I throw the latter in because our critcs can always seem to come up with an outrageous hypothetical. Just look at some of the absurd charges made by CPS.)
     
    Anyhow if others agree that we should be looking at how to influence the voting of the potentially persuadable and not spend so much time addressing the concerns of the already persuaded I'd love to hear what your thinkking is on how to reach that other 4.65% of voters we would need to reach 50% PLUS ONE FOR ANY INITIATIVE TO PASS.
    PEACE
    dAVID bEARMAN,m.d.

     

 

    R Givens <s..s@a2c2.us> Jan 08 11:08AM -0800  

    We must not waste time going after people who will never vote to
    legalize marijuana. The group that first comes to mind are parents
    with teenagers. Even when the parents used marijuana in their teens
    they do not want marijuana for THEIR children. There is little point
    in arguing with them since they already have what they want- the
    toughest MJ prohibition law possible which is already on the books.
    They do not want this changed and we should concentrate on those who
    can be persuaded or are already on our side.
     
    The REGULATE MARIJUANA LIKE WINE initiative has the best demographic
    appeal and should easily get more than 50%of the vote.
    R Givens

     

 

    LANNYSWERDLOW <s..s@a2c2.us> Jan 08 10:02AM -0800  

    Dr. David Bearman is the featured guest on this Monday’s 6 p.m. broadcast and Internet simulcast of Marijuana Compassion and Common Sense, the award winning radio show that speaks the truth about marijuana.
     
    From his office up in Santa Barbara, Dr. Bearman has been providing medical marijuana recommendations for almost 10 years and is one of the foremost cannabis therapeutic physicians in California. From working in a Haight-Ashbury medical clinic during the height of the cannabis infused Make Love Not War movement of the late 60s to a stint as director of the Santa Barbara Dept. of Mental Health, Dr. Bearman has been involved with cannabis and medicine for many decades.
     
    On the show he will be discussing the Bearman decision, a little known court decision with enormous ramifications for patient rights and privacy as well as take a look at “slap-dash” medical marijuana evaluations.
     
    Our second guest will be Don Duncan, one of the founders of Americans for Safe Access and a current Board Member. Don will be discussing ASA’s new initiative petition to set up statewide regulations for medical cannabis collectives and the kickoff rally happening this Tuesday, Jan. 10 in Sacramento.
     
    Marijuana Compassion and Common Sense can be heard this Monday at 6 p.m. and every Monday at 6 p.m. on IE Talk Radio Station KCAA 1050AM and simulcast on the Internet at kcaaradio.com. Listen in to be educated and entertained.

     

    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jan 08 08:38AM -0800  

    http://cannabiswarrior.com/2012/01/08/speak-for-yourself-i-am-no-republican-and-no-one-issue-voter/ 
     
    >The aritcle begins:
    >Medical marijuana activists have a message for President Obama: Defend us from the federal government's crackdown, or else.
     
    >That seems as if we, as a group, somehow decided something. I am a medical marijuana activist and I can assure you I have no "or else" empty threat that includes the crazy shit these two are talking. So it is a bit disingenuous for the author, Lucia Graves, to make the reader believe that somehow we all are on board with these jaycats. Nothing could be further from the truth. I wouldn't follow these dudes to the 5-o'clock free weed giveaway. So please, Ms. Graves, next time try the term "two nutjob activist brothers who run the world's largest dispensary on the planet and are eligible for three death sentences according to the intro to their nationally televised show Weed Wars have a message for President Obama…." That is much more accurate and does not lump the rest of us level headed folks in with this insane hyperbole about all being Republicans for Ron Paul because we are "one issue voters." What a shallow fucking existence, and one I will NEVER
    be a part of.
     
    >"We are one issue voters?" Are you fucking serious? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? Who is this "we?" You have seriously lost your mind if you think cannabis is the "one-issue" that makes or breaks your election, regardless of what the candidate thinks about the rest of our society. That is such a bullshit shallow statement I do not think I can even ever look at you as an even mildly decent human being again. It is so self-centered and crazy that is makes me want to scream. 
     
    >And for the man who said "I do not believe in the legalization of cannabis for recreational use" on National TV, it is a bit odd for you to be all "who thinks I am a criminal and wants to put me in jail" when your statement basically says the same thing about all recreational, or adult enjoyable, users.
     
    >No, asshole…we are not one issue voters. First off, our lives and our major focus point are NOT more important than the sanctity of our nation or our planet. To disregard issues like human rights, civil rights, education, healthcare, income equality, fair practices, and any host of other SUPER IMPORTANT ISSUE facing our communities in the name of medical cannabis only is unacceptable. You can be a stupid one issue voter if you like, and you can end up with another George Bush shitting on the entire world for another 8 years. I am just not that big of an asshole to promote the Republican Party, just because one of them says he thinks people should be allowed to use medical pot. Mind you, Dr. Paul has NEVER said he supported cannabis, or medical cannabis, as good or positive things. He just said, as a freedom issue the Federal Government should not be involved, and it should be left up to the states. Newsflash: Leaving things up to the States in the
    long run will still result in many people going to prison. Not all States are cool like California, yo…..geez. One issue that is cool in my State, and fuck the rest of you losers.
     
    >First off, Andy…this is California. If you think your 94,000 patients mobilized to vote Republican would even make a dent in the deep blue State of California I got a bridge in Florida to sell you. Now if you were talking all this shit from Colorado or New Mexico, definite swing states, you may have a better argument; but Obama won California before he was born in Kenya. LOL. Your idle threats and declarations of blind allegiance to whoever promises to love weed the most is just crazy talk. 
    >I LOVE WEED MORE THAN ANYONE….but I am not even that blind to the rest of the world to declare it as the sole issue that we should base the future of our society on. I would not even call it the most important issue by far, even though my livelihood likely depends on it. I am not even sure it is a top 5 issue. Let me see….. Poverty, Education, Healthcare, War, and then maybe Drug Policy. The Republicans, including the Ron "say some crazy shit to get people to send money" Paul phenomena would be a disaster for this Nation. Obama has plenty of issues, but you are off your rocker if you think throwing the baby out with the bathwater is the best idea.
     
    >What is funnier is that you believe these public idle and super shallow threats that the world sees right through as evidence that our movement s nothing more than folks who care about weed, and weed only, are actually going to matter in any way whatsoever to Obama. Who they do matter to are the people reading, many who we will be asking to vote for cannabis reform in the future, because these one issue threatening statements clearly say that we are willing to sell everyone else's issues down the river to save our own. That is bad policy. These statements say to the rest of these activists fighting for the many other causes that "Your issue is not as important as ours and we will 'mobilize' for candidates that will shit all over your issue, just to possibly, maybe, kind of have some sort of acceptance of our own only and most important issue." Fuck you environmentalist. Fuck you women's rights advocates. Fuck you immigration reform proponents. Fuck
    you Occupy. Fuck everyone except for "MEDICAL cannabis." And not even to save all of cannabis, because we know the DeAngelos "do not support legalizing cannabis for recreational use." So whichever candidate lies to them the bet about "MEDICAL cannabis" is who they will be telling people to vote for regardless of if it would destroy the rest of the world. Super.
     
    >NOTE TO THE REST OF THE WORLD:
    >I AM NOT WITH THESE FUCKING GUYS!!!! I HAVE NO IDEA WTF THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. MOST CANNABIS PEOPLE I KNOW ARE NOT ONE ISSUE VOTERS AND STILL CARE ABOUT THE REST OF THE WORLD. I AM SORRY FOR PEOPLE LIKE THIS AND I ASSURE YOU THEY DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME OR MOST OF MY COLLEAGUES. 
     
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..s@a2c2.us
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
     
    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, West Coast Cannabis, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***

     

    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jan 08 10:00AM -0800  

    Bad link? Here is a good one.
     
    http://cannabiswarrior.com/2012/01/08/speak-for-yourself-i-am-no-republican-and-no-one-issue-voter/
     
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..s@a2c2.us
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
     
    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, West Coast Cannabis, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***
     
     
    ________________________________
    From: Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us>
    Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 8:38 AM

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    http://cannabiswarrior.com/2012/01/08/speak-for-yourself-i-am-no-republican-and-no-one-issue-voter/ 
     
    >The aritcle begins:
    >Medical marijuana activists have a message for President Obama: Defend us from the federal government's crackdown, or else.
     
    >That seems as if we, as a group, somehow decided something. I am a medical marijuana activist and I can assure you I have no "or else" empty threat that includes the crazy shit these two are talking. So it is a bit disingenuous for the author, Lucia Graves, to make the reader believe that somehow we all are on board with these jaycats. Nothing could be further from the truth. I wouldn't follow these dudes to the 5-o'clock free weed giveaway. So please, Ms. Graves, next time try the term "two nutjob activist brothers who run the world's largest dispensary on the planet and are eligible for three death sentences according to the intro to their nationally televised show Weed Wars have a message for President Obama…." That is much more accurate and does not lump the rest of us level headed folks in with this insane hyperbole about all being Republicans for Ron Paul because we are "one issue voters." What a shallow fucking existence, and one I will NEVER
    be a part of.
     
    >"We are one issue voters?" Are you fucking serious? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? Who is this "we?" You have seriously lost your mind if you think cannabis is the "one-issue" that makes or breaks your election, regardless of what the candidate thinks about the rest of our society. That is such a bullshit shallow statement I do not think I can even ever look at you as an even mildly decent human being again. It is so self-centered and crazy that is makes me want to scream. 
     
    >And for the man who said "I do not believe in the legalization of cannabis for recreational use" on National TV, it is a bit odd for you to be all "who thinks I am a criminal and wants to put me in jail" when your statement basically says the same thing about all recreational, or adult enjoyable, users.
     
    >No, asshole…we are not one issue voters. First off, our lives and our major focus point are NOT more important than the sanctity of our nation or our planet. To disregard issues like human rights, civil rights, education, healthcare, income equality, fair practices, and any host of other SUPER IMPORTANT ISSUE facing our communities in the name of medical cannabis only is unacceptable. You can be a stupid one issue voter if you like, and you can end up with another George Bush shitting on the entire world for another 8 years. I am just not that big of an asshole to promote the Republican Party, just because one of them says he thinks people should be allowed to use medical pot. Mind you, Dr. Paul has NEVER said he supported cannabis, or medical cannabis, as good or positive things. He just said, as a freedom issue the Federal Government should not be involved, and it should be left up to the states. Newsflash: Leaving things up to the States in the
    long run will still result in many people going to prison. Not all States are cool like California, yo…..geez. One issue that is cool in my State, and fuck the rest of you losers.
     
    >First off, Andy…this is California. If you think your 94,000 patients mobilized to vote Republican would even make a dent in the deep blue State of California I got a bridge in Florida to sell you. Now if you were talking all this shit from Colorado or New Mexico, definite swing states, you may have a better argument; but Obama won California before he was born in Kenya. LOL. Your idle threats and declarations of blind allegiance to whoever promises to love weed the most is just crazy talk. 
    >I LOVE WEED MORE THAN ANYONE….but I am not even that blind to the rest of the world to declare it as the sole issue that we should base the future of our society on. I would not even call it the most important issue by far, even though my livelihood likely depends on it. I am not even sure it is a top 5 issue. Let me see….. Poverty, Education, Healthcare, War, and then maybe Drug Policy. The Republicans, including the Ron "say some crazy shit to get people to send money" Paul phenomena would be a disaster for this Nation. Obama has plenty of issues, but you are off your rocker if you think throwing the baby out with the bathwater is the best idea.
     
    >What is funnier is that you believe these public idle and super shallow threats that the world sees right through as evidence that our movement s nothing more than folks who care about weed, and weed only, are actually going to matter in any way whatsoever to Obama. Who they do matter to are the people reading, many who we will be asking to vote for cannabis reform in the future, because these one issue threatening statements clearly say that we are willing to sell everyone else's issues down the river to save our own. That is bad policy. These statements say to the rest of these activists fighting for the many other causes that "Your issue is not as important as ours and we will 'mobilize' for candidates that will shit all over your issue, just to possibly, maybe, kind of have some sort of acceptance of our own only and most important issue." Fuck you environmentalist. Fuck you women's rights advocates. Fuck you immigration reform proponents. Fuck
    you Occupy. Fuck everyone except for "MEDICAL cannabis." And not even to save all of cannabis, because we know the DeAngelos "do not support legalizing cannabis for recreational use." So whichever candidate lies to them the bet about "MEDICAL cannabis" is who they will be telling people to vote for regardless of if it would destroy the rest of the world. Super.
     
    >NOTE TO THE REST OF THE WORLD:
    >I AM NOT WITH THESE FUCKING GUYS!!!! I HAVE NO IDEA WTF THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. MOST CANNABIS PEOPLE I KNOW ARE NOT ONE ISSUE VOTERS AND STILL CARE ABOUT THE REST OF THE WORLD. I AM SORRY FOR PEOPLE LIKE THIS AND I ASSURE YOU THEY DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME OR MOST OF MY COLLEAGUES. 
     
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..s@a2c2.us
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of  T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, West Coast Cannabis, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***
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    Attachment: http://drugsense.org/temp/MEVo0JSoOd30931.html

     

    "Dr. David Bearman" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jan 07 08:19PM -0500  

    Interesting. I have repeatedly heard that Tod Mikuriya was responsible for what arguanly is the most important phrase in 215. paraphrasing.. and any other condition a physicain believes cannabis is usefull to treat. So it would seem that Dr. Mikuriya shpould be added to the list of authors for prop 215.
    peace
    David Bearm,an,M.D.