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June 18, 2012 – Digest for s..[email protected] – 25 Messages in 16 Topics

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..[email protected]> Jun 18 09:01PM -0700  

    pls share with your friends! I will forward patient for compassionate
    policy info to all.
     
     
    Greetings Los Angeles Patient Advocates & Providers –
     
    While the official agenda for Friday’s LA City Council meeting is not yet
    published, (follow this link for updates:
    http://lacity.org/SubMenu/CityMeetingsAgendas/index.htm, the rumors in
    City Hall are that the Los Angeles City Council will take its final vote
    to ban collectives in Los Angeles during THIS Friday’s City Council
    meeting.
     
    The LA City Council meets three times a week on Tuesday, Wednesday and
    Friday at 10 a.m. at Los Angeles City Hall at 200 N. Spring Street, LA,
    90012 – Room 340. The public entrance to City Hall is on the Main Street
    side of the building. There is a metal detector at the security entrance
    and ID is required to get a visitor’s badge. The officer that takes ID
    will ask where you are going and you tell them ‘Council Chambers.’ There
    are many bus routes through Downtown Civil Center including the Metro Red
    Line. There is also plenty of parking, for a fee.
     
    Patients who wish to speak before the Council can do so during general
    public comment for 2 minutes on Tuesday and Wednesday. To learn more
    about participating in ‘public comment’ see the section ‘What Can
    Patients/Advocates Do To Stop The LA Ban? *’ here:
    http://panorg.blogspot.com/2012/06/patients-want-to-stop-ban-on-las.html
    and http://ag.ca.gov/publications/2003_Intro_BrownAct.pdf
     
    If agendized on Friday, medical marijuana cannot be addressed during
    general public comment. Comments may be taken while the item is being
    heard. Council can waive the comment period because of prior hearings.
    However, because there will be speaker cards AND this agenda item will
    ALSO have a CLOSED SESSION, Council is likely to allow public comment but
    time may be cut to a minute or less.
     
    Patients can also contact their council member directly:
    http://lacity.org/YourGovernment/CityCouncil/index.htm. You can learn who
    your council member is by typing your street address at ‘Neighborhood
    Resources’ here: http://lacity.org/index.htm
     
    La Brea Collective has organized Patient Speak-out events for ALL City
    Council meetings this week. They are hosting patients at 8:30 a.m. in
    their lounge for refreshments, compassion and a caravan to City Hall.
    Last Friday’s event was well attended. Other collectives may also be
    sponsoring similar events. La Brea Collective is located at 5057 W. Pico
    Blvd., and easily accessible by multiple bus lines. Bring appropriate
    patient documentation if you are a new member.
     
    Please watch for an email later this evening from
    s..[email protected] There is a lot of movement and action
    taking place with AB 2312 at this time. Urgent and very time sensitive
    action is needed. You will learn more from the above email address. If
    you do not receive a notice about AB 2312 and want to get updates, please
    send the subject line ‘subscribe’ to the above email address.
     
    You can refer to
    http://panorg.blogspot.com/2012/05/how-ab-2312-impedes-safe-affordable.html
    regarding the bill.
     
    Many thanks.
     
     
     
    Sincerely,
     
    Degé Coutee
    Executive & Program Director
    Patient Advocacy Network
     
    @PAN4Compassion
    www.CannabisSavesLives.org
    (323) 334-5282
     
    PAN is a charitable 501(c)(3) organization
     
    ** Please make a donation at www.CannabisSavesLives.org **
     
     
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    Mickey Martin <s..[email protected]> Jun 17 08:50PM -0700  

    Language is important. Not being considered uptight and a stick in the mud is also important. Speaking a language others understand is also important. 
     
    On top of Mt. Well-To-Do they might all use the term cannabis, or even know what that means. Down here in the hood, if you say cannabis to some folks they look at you like you just spoke German at them. 
     
    If you want people to join you in the fight, easily identifying the subject of said fight is the first battle you may want to think about overcoming….Hard to get the Native's to think you are their God if they cannot understand what you are saying to them…..
     
    Depends on the audience, really…but more so, it is personal choice and freedom to express ourselves in our native language. Super that you think everyone should say this one word, but that is not the reality of your very diverse society, Dr. Dave. I think some people should say no words at all, but I do not get to make that decision for others, now do I? People can feel free to say what they please, and use what ever terminology they please.
     
    I am going to smoke weed. You can go inhale cannabis puffs from your burning plant substance, or whatever it is you do over there…..
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..[email protected]
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/micKEYmarTIN
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***
     
     
    ________________________________
    From: Dr. David Bearman <s..[email protected]>
    Cc: Mickey Martin <s..[email protected]>
    Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 8:13 PM

     
    language is important.
    if you don't think so you miss the whole point of the prohibitionists.It should be just cannabis but in the hands of the misinformed and the powerful it is portrayed as a tool of the devil.
    David Bearman

     

 

    Michael Levinsohn <s..[email protected]> Jun 18 08:14AM -0700  

    An old debating rule holds that whoever cites Hitler or the Nazis first loses. A close second is comparing all insults to racism.
     
    In the case of cannabis, it has more nicknames than anything except money and people's private parts, which gives you perspective on people's priorities. "Marijuana" is a term intended to highlight a certain ethnic reference, which unfortunately is the basis of much of the stigma against it.
     
    Why are "Irish Drunks" seen as gregarious, harmless, pugnacious heroes, and cannabis users seen as ethnic, lazy, mindless losers? To answer that question is to explain why liquor is legal and cannabis is not.
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

 

    Dennis Hinze <s..[email protected]> Jun 18 04:18PM -0700  

    Save Cannabis ~
        Language is important. So how about calling everything what it is.? The plant is cannabis hemp. The part that gets you high, specifically the female buds, has been called marijuana for so long that the term is used to describe the  medicine — medical marijuana. Trying to clean up the negative connotation of "marijuana" by changing it to "cannabis" just confuses the issue. Different extracts and preparations may be referred to as cannabis medicinals, but it must be understood that while all marijuana is cannabis hemp, not all cannabis hemp is marijuana. ~ Dennis 
     
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    "Jonathan Hughes" <s..[email protected]> Jun 18 02:26PM  

    Lanette,
     
    How did you know that the union was not there? Is it because you did not see a UFCW banner/or jacket? When I attend rallies and meetings, I do not always have a union logo on or announce that "The Union Is Here" nor do I think we should. The Union is here to assist the cannabis community and I believe most know how to get a hold of us if they need help. Also, maybe if more medcal cannabis facilities were organized, we would see a bigger union presences. If you want more information please feel free to contact the UFCW.
     
    Jonathan Hughes
    UFCW Local 5
    240 South Market St
    San Jose, CA
    Office
    1(phone#-removed) ex.5629
    Direct Line
    (phone#-removed)
     
     
     
     

    Jonathan Hughes
    UFCW Local 5
    240 South Market St
    San Jose, CA
    Office
    1(phone#-removed) ex.5629
    Direct Line
    (phone#-removed)

     

    Mendocino Medical Marijuana Advisory Board <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 01:11PM -0700  

    Did you mean "Yes on 215, No on AB2312?"
     
    Tom Davenport
    web admin – Mendocino Medical Marijuana Advisory Board
     
    On Jun 16, 2012, at 1:18 AM, rose jeri wrote:
     

     

    GOCCA <s..[email protected]> Jun 18 01:13PM -0700  

    Hello OC Collectives and Patients,
     
     
    The next Greater Orange County Collective Alliance meeting of 2012 will be
    Wednesday, June 27 at 8 PM.
     
     
    *Meeting Location: *Marriott Suites
     
    Harbor Room
     
    12015 Harbor Blvd.
    Garden Grove, 92840
     
     
    *Meeting Coordinator: *Dee(phone#-removed)
     
     
     
    Please join us in protecting and educating our patients and community about
    medical cannabis!
     
     
     
     

    *Representative*
    Greater Orange County Collectives Alliance (GOCCA)
    2166 W. Broadway, #100
    Anaheim, CA 92804
    (phone#-removed)
    http://www.gocca.org
    http://www.facebook.com/gocca.org
    http://twitter.com/_gocca <http://twitter.com/#!/_gocca>

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..[email protected]> Jun 18 01:14PM -0700  

    if you need the direct email of the director of comittee who will be
    receving our concerns and prepareing them for the comittee members?
    Please contact me directly. Stay postive and solution based . Express
    concerns regarding comunity based providers being wiped off map by big
    box pot . With true intelligence not conspiracy . I will be expressing
    support for the union involved and hoping that they can work with
    comunity based providers and grower on amendments that are caring.
    Make sure if you did support lenos simple and clarifying placeholder
    bill to mention that and why . Offer facts regarding the attempts at
    monopoly not conjecture or heresay that doesnt help and sorry but it
    is reality that many small collectives would be wiped off map and
    there no checks and balances of the proposed board to govern our
    entire comunity
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

 

 

 

    lynnette shaw <s..[email protected]> Jun 18 09:37AM -0700  

    This what what we are looking at, Federal invasions and 10 years to life sentences. Wake up , people! Support AB2312 and amend the flaws rather than spend your life in jail.
     
    – Lynnette ; )
     
    — On Mon, 6/18/12, Brett Stone <s..[email protected]> wrote:
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Pleas expected to be entered in pot case
     
     
    Staff report
     
    Posted:   06/18/2012 09:09:05 AM PDT
     
    http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_20882487/pleas-expected-be-entered-pot-case
     
     
    The president of a medical marijuana dispensary with sites in Upland, Colton and Moreno Valley and five others will enter their pleas this morning on drug-trafficking charges in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles.
     
    A crowd of supporters gathered in front of the courthouse earlier this morning.
     
    The six defendants include the operators of the Inland Empire chain of marijuana clinics and others associated with an Ontario warehouse that cultivated marijuana for the stores.
     
    According to an indictment released Thursday, the six defendants in the case are charged in a conspiracy to manufacture and to possess with intent to distribute marijuana. The indictment also charges all the defendants with possession with intent to distribute marijuana. The two charges each carry a mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years in federal prison and a maximum sentence of life in prison.
     
    G3 co-founder John Leslie Nuckolls II, 31, of Rialto; Paul Neumann Brownbridge, 29, of Upland, who worked in the Ontario warehouse; and Richard Irwin Kirchnavy, 45, of Rancho Cucamonga, who also worked at the warehouse, were released on bail on Thursday.
     
    Rancho Cucamonga residents Aaron Sandusky, 41, president of G3 Holistic, and Keith Alan Sandusky, 44, remained in custody over the weekend.
     
    The bond for Brandon Anton Gustafson, 30, of Yucaipa, who worked at an Ontario warehouse associated with G3, was set at $100,000. Gustafson was expected to be bailed out Friday night.
     
     
    http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_20882487/pleas-expected-be-entered-pot-case
     

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    Fred Gardner <s..[email protected]> Jun 18 01:49AM -0700  

    I predict he's going to have a big impact and suggest a line for him in a recent Anderson Valley Advertiser column:
     
    http://theava.com/archives/15926
     
    Hope to do the show after the new O'S comes out.
     
    What's your mailing address?
     
    Fred
     
     
    On Jun 17, 2012, at 12:42 PM, LANNYSWERDLOW wrote:
     

     

 

 

    Angela Bacca <s..[email protected]> Jun 17 09:05PM -0700  

    Mike,
     
    I am very sorry to hear that, rogue DAs and policing for profit are the
    biggest obstacles facing marijuana law reform today. Unfortunately Green
    Aid is a very small organization and only has the capacity to take one-two
    cases at a time. We have two cases currently.
     
    As the primary main case manager I would not feel ok taking this case when
    I personally couldn't put an adequate amount of time into promoting it. I
    have however forwarded and copied this message to many other activists
    nationally to put out the call for help/recommendations to activists and
    lawyers in Nevada who can help.
     
    Thank you for thinking to contact us,
     
    Angela Bacca
    Media Coordinator
    Green Aid: The Medical Marijuana Legal Defense and Education Fund
    www.green-aid.com
     
     

    Angela Bacca
    (415) 515-7483
    aeiouyyyy.com
    Twitter: @AngelaBacca
    Facebook.com/angelabacca

     

June 17, 2012 – Digest for s..[email protected] – 25 Messages in 10 Topics

 

 

 

    Lynne Wilson <s..[email protected]> Jun 17 04:50PM -0400  

    I see this movement and our opposition fighting over taxing and/or making money on Cannabis….and I just keep asking myself this question…
     
    Why is it that any other commodity in this World, the folks who make and sell what ever their product is, can make a living at what they make and sell, but SOME believe those who make and sell Cannabis should not make any money on the craft they do? What makes Cannabis so different that these people shouldn't be able to make a living, too?
     
    I mean it cost money to grow, even outdoors! Should NO farmer who grows food make money to pay their bills just because people need food?
     
    I'd like someone to explain this to me, who grew up in a family's grocery store. As for taxing, some states don't tax food at the store but do if you eat in a restaurant and some states actually do tax food at the store level.
     
    I believe there should not be a problem with taxing Cannabis as long as it isn't the same as a Sin tax like alcohol and ciggs, but the same as the states sales tax in whatever state you live in.
     
    Here in Ohio its about 6.5-7% tax. If an ounce drops to say $50 an ounce and you buy 2, you get taxed on 100 bux. Average 7 bux! I don't get the problem.
     
    As for taxing meds? In most states, meds at the pharmacy aren't taxed, yet if you buy over the counter meds like aspirin, you DO get taxed.
     
    I also want to know what the difference is if a patient pays the doctor extra…over what the cost of an exam normally is as compared to a small tax on the sale? The doctors are the middle men/women who are getting fat rich off of patients! When you go to the doctor, you pay for the exam and any tests ran. You don't pay extra for the damn scripts (no matter how many they write) they give you but in MMJ cases, you pay extra for the Recommendation which is not 'technically' a script.
     
    And no matter what the anti-tax folks say…going to a dispensary (whether for profit or not) IS NOT the same as going to the pharmacy…when do you get to pick out what meds you want out of a display case when you buy from the pharmacist?
     
    I've never heard of any recommendation saying the patient can only buy a sativa or indica or only a certain amount. They are a general recommendation that says the patient can legally possess and/or buy and may say grow.
     
    I am a patient in Ohio and hold a Cali med rec from when I spent time in Cali with Jack. I did that for protection, only. But I shouldn't have to ask my Doc to give me permission to use something I've used since I'm 13…as a medicine and social use. I should be able to go to any store with a license for business (big or little) and buy my choice of meds or social use product just like aspirin or tylenol or white or red wine or shit beer or a good micro brew!
     
    I should also be able to go hang out at my friends house who grows and trade/barter or even buy from their small garden. Even a home brewer can sell their beer to friends as long as they don't sell over what the state allows without a license. I can also buy eggs from someone who has a few chickens in their backyard in the middle of the city and they don't have to have a food sellers license!
     
    As for the profits being made on Cannabis, as long as only Medical MJ is semi-legal and the Docs are getting rich, the prices will stay "high" and only come down when Cannabis is fully legal for anyone to buy. Then the price will be determined by the market and the quality. That's how business works.
     
    "By the grace of God All Mighty and the pressures of the Market Place, the Human Race has Civilized itself!" Roger Waters 'Its a Miracle'…Amused to Death album 1992.
     
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    On 6/16/2012 1:49 PM, LANNYSWERDLOW wrote:

     

 

 

    David Malmo-Levine <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 10:39AM -0700  

    *a. *A plant considered undesirable, unattractive, or troublesome,
     
    *4. *Something useless, detrimental, or worthless
     
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/weed
     
    "plant not valued for use or beauty,"
     
    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=weed
     
     
    You might be smoking unattractive, worthless weed.
     
    Up in BC we smoke the herb.
     
    *2. *Any of various often aromatic plants used especially in medicine or as
    seasoning.
     
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/herb
     
     
    2
    *:* a plant or plant part valued for its medicinal, savory, or aromatic
    qualities
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/herb
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

     

    David Fiedler <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 12:56PM -0700  

    And yet, as a society we tend not to use the terms "n*gger", "colored",
    "f*ggot", "ch*nk", etc in polite company, because they are derogatory and
    drag us back down to the days when acceptance of the "norm" was mandatory.
    Many people feel that words such as "pot", "weed", and even "marijuana" are
    similarly derogatory, and using them just keeps up the connotation of it
    being something of no real import.
     

     

 

    "Dr. David Bearman" <s..[email protected]> Jun 17 11:13PM -0400  

    language is important.
    if you don't think so you miss the whole point of the prohibitionists.It should be just cannabis but in the hands of the misinformed and the powerful it is portrayed as a tool of the devil.
    David Bearman

     

    Dennis Hinze <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 05:34PM -0700  

    Cannabis People ~ Do not cut Mickey Martin out of the discussion. Here are some things to consider about SB 2312: ~ 1. By limiting dispensaries to "no less than one" for 50,000 people, what happens to us where there are not 50,000?. In the Susanville area, population about 22,000, there were 4 dispensaries operatiing before the county ban went into effect. What about Susanville, with a population of 17,500? Not one dispensary? Have to drive to Sacramento or Redding for the medicine, or use delivery service model. Communities should welcome this reborn commerce at all levels of business involvement. Let's make a presence and invite them to do so. ~ 2. Excessive regulatory power vested in a commission, the scope of which is not clearly defined in the letter of the proposed law, in addition to the "no less than one" language may well be used to cut small-time growers and providers out of the loop, destroying their livelihood. ~ 3. Although the
    "individuals and caregivers" language may be interpreted as exempting personal medical growers and their providers, it is not clear what, if anything, that means in its relation to the interpretation of Prop 215 that medical growers, growing for themselves and not for profit are allowed to pool their time, energy and resources in the production of their medicinal marijuana. ~ These things should be cleaned up before the Senate has a chance to vote on it. Also, it is so wordy and restrictive, something should be done to streamline it. This looks like typical California business-killing legislation, with the double-edged slasher of prohibitionist mindset which refuses to see anything good about Cannabis. ~ Not too late to clean up SB 2312, it is far from being a basket case. A few suggestions in the right place at the right time may get it to a more generally agreeable form.
       C'mon, if someone wants to cut themselves off the list–let 'em go, God bless 'em. But those of us who are wading through all this dialog and comment should be left here to enjoy Mickey, Dan, Chris, Don, Shona and (yes) Michael Kravitz and see if we can come up with something that will work for all the people, rich and poor, and keep working for our progeny and the planet.
      All the best,  Dennis Hinze  
     
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    LANNYSWERDLOW <s..[email protected]> Jun 17 12:42PM -0700  

    I am extremely excited that former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson will be the featured guest on the Marijuana Compassion and Common Sense radio show this Monday, June 18. The two-term governor not only brought New Mexico into the medical marijuana community, his legacy was to leave New Mexico as one of the most progressive states on drug law reform.
     
    He is now the Libertarian candidate for the President of the United States. Although the Libertarians are dwarfed by the Democrats and Republicans, they are still the 3rd largest party in the U.S. whose positions affect the major parties to a very significant degree. Gov. Johnson will speak about his party’s position on medical marijuana, marijuana prohibition and the War on Drugs and outline what he feels should and can be done,
     
    They are serious about having an impact on the national election and have a program in place to get into the National Presidential Debates. Gov. Johnson will explain it all and more this Monday, June 18.
     
    Our other guest will be Wildomar resident Wayne Williams, who heads We The People and is currently organizing a petition drive to place a medical marijuana collective ordinance before Lake Elsinore voters. In addition to info on the ordinance, Wayne will be speaking about the June 28 “Town Hall Meeting for Common Sense” featuring such luminous speakers as Ed Rosenthal (Best Selling Author and Cannabis Bon Vivant), Major Neill Franklin (Executive Director Law Enforcement Against Prohibition), Gretchen Burns Bergman (Executive Director A New PATH – Parents for Addiction Treatment & Healing), David Bearman, M.D. (pioneering cannabis physician) and many others.
     
    Gov. Gary Johnson, luminous speakers, news, views and humor – you will hear it all this Monday, June 18 and every Monday at 6 p.m. on Marijuana Compassion and Common Sense, on Inland Empire talk radio KCAA 1050AM and everywhere else on the Internet at kcaaradio.com. Past shows are podcast at the website.

     

    lavonne victor <s..[email protected]> Jun 17 11:05AM -0700  

    Hello :
     
    I do not know if i got booted off this list or not.. but i will soon find out if i have …
     
    Everyone on this list has a right to comment, no matter if it is a heated discussion on this issue or not… and i am sick of all of these people whom are attacking each other personally due to this issue… we all want to utalize cannabis the safes way possible.. and for the medical purposes of not taking the rights away from so many whom utalize cannabis for thier personal medical reasons…
     
    But there are many whom need store front litimacy but that  is not a possiblity for there is too much greed that has already set in over the many years that has passed us by and the Compassionate Use Act of Prop 215 is not good enough for many of the high control activist organizations and even those groups that have only been for the CUA-Prop 215 has gone to the other side instead of keeping the fight going to protect those under the Compassionate Use Act…
     
    I am very appalled that many rather make a profit off of those whom are sick and those whom are fighting for their life to utalize something to help them live each day that comes their way.. and this change to put out AB 2312 will not do that at all… but who cares… right?
     
    I do not want anyone to be arrested for utalizing cannabis.. but patients are still being arrested.. not as much as they were 10 years ago… and things have gotten worse , far worse and now we have the Feds comming in as well…
     
    Our county afficials are trying to ban the rights of so many patients and the big activist organizations seems not to care about this.. now why is this?
    I just do not understand why you don't give a hoot about the many citizens in this cannabis network that are patients whom use it for medical purpose just to fill your personal pockets with tons of monies… but yet you say its for the good of the patients and the society for it will bring in more revenue…
     
    Has the Federal Law changed?… I think not… and it will never fly until Federal Law changes their laws… but no one wants to admitt to this.. and you really think that AB2312 will change this for everyone or will this change for those whom will benifit from it financially instead of the protection for all involved on this issue…
     
    There are many old timers in this movement , way before the Compassionate Use Act came about.. and there were many growers way before the laws were in statue.. and there were black markets selling cannabis out on the streets for many many years way before this statue of law came into the picture…
     
    Did you make it medical for a purpose , or was there really compassion toward those whom were benifiting from the plant medically?… Or was this intended for the furture to futher the legalization behind this issue.. what is really the truth behid this?
     
    I supported the cannabis movement for many years on end.. for the reason it was for medical use … and i do believe that our state and others supported the medical use of cananbis , for they have passed this law in California and other states on this issue of medical use.. but i really beleive that if they were told that they wanted to legalize cannabis.. these states citizens would not have voted in favor of this cannabis issue…
     
    But now .. everyone in the Cannabis Organization like ASA, CANORML, and other groups like MPP, and other smaller groups are pushing to change the laws in statue instead of working out the bugs within it…
     
    But those whom are fighting the fight to protect the Compassioante Use Act Prop 215…. i wish i could be along side of you , physcially showing up for this cause… its amazing that now.. we the patients have to push against these big organizations whom say they are for the protection of the patients that they are fighting against so many that are against this AB2312.. as usual we are torn apart instead of fighting in unity against the counties, cities, and all involved together as one and putting all the fundings that were received to fight the counties and sue them for not upholding the laws that gives us the rights to do what it states..
     
    Instead of putting out new things in order to change what we already have.. and use the excuse that it will help our state bring in more revenue.. well after all these years .. now your trying to help our state?.. naw… i think this is just an excuse to litimatize those whom make millions of dollars from those members whom come to your store and pay your prices… for profit.. instead of on a not for profit enity…. and that is the truth of the issue.. you do not support the welfare of our cannabis patients ,,, you only support yourself in your own being…
     
    There are many patients whom grow outdoor, and indoor.. and the counties have no rights what so ever to tell them that they do not and try to ban them out of existance… The counties need to stop trying to put rules out that they can not make.. and they need to allow those whom are really a not for profit enity to provide safe access to those in need .. for medical … and stop trying to put those whom do qualify as a not for profit enity and prove by their paperwork that they are not for profit enities..out of existance… and stop charging them outrageous prices in order to be there in the first place.. they do not do that with other not for profit enities.. why are they doing it with the cannabis not for profit enities that do provide safe and affordable cannabis to their members… and have it in a store front or a warehouse.. as long as it is a not for profit enity and they are not making a profit.. then they should be allow to stay open.. and the
    patients should be allow to grow what they are able to afford … like growing outdoors.. if they choose… or if they can afford the cost of growing indoor they should have that choice as well… and if they are joining other patients they also should ba allowed to be reinbursed for the expence that it takes to grow for them in a unity setting and it has been ruled that they do not have to participate in order to receive from a association garden or in a onsite croperative enity…
     
    But the big wig cannabis movement like ASA, whom say they support the patients.. need to stop and stand by their words instead of putting out mud .. and help those citizens fight the figh against the counties whom are stomping on the rights behind the Compassionate Use Act. Prop 215..
     
    If your reading my post.. thank you.. but if this never gets on this site.. then is only for those to be picked out to be heard from.. and this is discrimination to say the least… do i have to be an attorney in order to be accepted? or a doctor?.. well i was a business woman from 1980's until the 1990's.. and made 500 to 1500 a day.. dose that count??? I was activist  to many behind the drug abuse in the programs of AA, NA.. and have spoken against the use of drugs in boys homes and prisions, as well as other places.. and helped many of families that were torn apart and get help… but that was in my younger years. from 1974 to 1989 now i am just a plain old housewife in my early senior years… But my views were changed when i started to utalize cannabis for my medical issues… and supported it strong and stood by our leader for many years.. until i had to walk away and take care of more priorities..like keepiing our home and taking care of a
    senior home bound of 85. and  this was held against due to that ..
     
    i went against the Prop 19, due to my own views and what i have read on the DPFCA list and now this site on the AB2312 as well , which i do not support at all.. and due to that i am held against .. But still i have every right to put my views on this issue.. just like the rest of you…. … …
     
    Unity is peace within.. unity is acceptance and tolerance of others whom want the same thing.. safe access…not to make a profit off of the sick and dying citizens in order to profitize cannabis and use it as an excuse that it will bring in revenue.. maybe it will.. but not until the federal laws are changed.. get it.. got it.. good..
     
    Lavonne Victor….

     

    Mickey Martin <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 10:25AM -0700  

    $100…. And for the record, I hope you are right and I lose the bet.
     
    Your arguments are generally off base though, and fail to tell the complete story. So, I would expect this case to have similar characteristics and traits.
     
    Time will tell…..
     
     
     
     

     

 

    Sam Clauder <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 12:05PM -0700  

    215 was probably the worst written initiative in the history of this state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

 

    R Givens <s..[email protected]> Jun 17 09:26AM -0700  

    >215 was probably the worst written initiative in the history of this
    >state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
    Propisition 215 has changed the discussion about medical marijuana
    nationwide. There are now 15 states with medical marijuana laws.
    That's quite an achievement.
     
    The fact that the authors made some mistakes is merely a warning to
    be more careful with future laws.
     
    A lot of the "problems" with 215 come from the fact that courts have
    ignored plain language in the law.
     
    If Peron et al had not gone forward with their best effort we would
    still have patients going to prison because of the reefer madness the
    government promotes.
     
    Proposition 215 has kept hundreds of people out of jail and that is
    very positive.
     
    Proposition 215 should educate us about the treachery of government
    agencies and the need to write them out of the picture in our next
    initiative.
     
    Opposition to legal marijuana can be reduced to a minimum with a well
    written initiative that specifically prevents State law enforcement
    from cooperating with the DEA et al.
     
    Please note that almost all of the dispensary closings are done using
    Federal authority. Since these raids are set up by local police,
    sheriffs and state lawmen, forbidding California law enforcement from
    Federal cooperation will end this tyranny.
     
     
    A clause like this is needed to prevent California police from using
    the DEA to get forfeiture money. Never think that they will somehow
    do the right thing unless the foot of law is firmly pressed down on
    their necks.
     
    excerpt from The Regulate Marijuana Like Wine Act of 2012
     
    > departments to obtain any money, property, gain, or advantage by the
    > arrest, prosecution, conviction, or deprivation or seizure of
    > property of anyone acting within the age provisions of this Act.
     
     
    If Proposition 215 had a clause like this, the current dispensary
    closings would not be happening because the Feds require local police
    to set up 95% of their cases.
     
    Stopping Federal interference is key to winning the battle.
    R Givens

     

    David Malmo-Levine <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 10:27AM -0700  

    Bill Panzer disagrees with you on Prop 19. Mickey. Nobody from the "Pro
    Prop 19 side" has ever responded to his analysis – and I doubt they ever
    will … because he's right and nobody wants to admit it:
     
    *The most amazing factor of this whole debate to me is how Prop. 19 is
    being almost universally portrayed as “legalization” in the media and by
    many in our movement who, quite frankly, I suspect have never actually read
    the text of the initiative!*
     
    *What makes little sense to me is that this initiative, which doesn’t
    legalize cannabis, is being sold as legalization. It seems to me, it would
    make more sense to draft an initiative that does legalize cannabis and sell
    it as regulation.*
     
    *Nevertheless, because it is being touted as legalization, if it passed it
    would be perceived around the world as legalization. It would also give
    some modest protections to cannabis users. It essentially protects you from
    getting an infraction ticket in your own home so long as there are no
    children under the same roof.*
    https://mail.google.com/mail/?tab=wm#inbox/137f63e08c8ff073
     
     
     
     
     
     
    "If it goes totally legal, the mom-and-pop growers are going to be a
    thing of the past," – Dale Gieringer, co-author of Prop 215 and state
    coordinator of California NORML, *High Times*, Nov. 2010, p. 80
     
    Prop 19, otherwise known as the "Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of
    2010", was not the legalization we’ve been hearing about for the last 40
    years from pot activists. Despite claiming on it’s website that it will
    "Control cannabis like alcohol" [50] it more closely resembled the much
    more tightly controlled cannabis legalization suggested to us by
    governments and police. Pay close attention to the wording found in the
    purposes section – unique to any "legalization" proposition or model ever
    put before anyone else other than police and governments:
     
    "B. Purposes
    5. Put dangerous, underground street dealers out of business, so their
    influence in our communities will fade." [51]
     
    Keep in mind those "dangerous" underground street dealers once included -
    and most likely currently include people similar to – people like *High
    Times* founder Tom Forcade and med pot movement founder Dennis Peron, and
    their "influence" in the community include *High Times* magazine, Prop 215,
    and "legalization for all".
     
    Prop 19 limited the number of legal growers to 1) those over 21 who 2)
    lived on their own in their own house or who rented from a landlord who was
    willing to risk their property being seized and who 3) would allow
    themselves to be limited to 25 square feet of grow space – smaller than the
    average jail cell. [52) It’s hard to estimate what percentage of current
    growers this would have left "illegal", but I suspect the percentage is
    greater than 50%.
     
    The meaning of this section was debated constantly before the vote. Did the
    "25 square feet in your own house to be shared with the rest of the people
    living in the residence" rules also apply to med pot users who currently
    enjoyed no such restrictions? Suffice to say that attorney Bill Panzer –
    despite voting for Prop 19 for the message it would send regarding support
    for eventual "full" legalization - made the strongest argument (and yet to
    be answered in public by the yes side) as to why med pot cultivation rights
    could have been threatened by Prop 19:
     
    "If an appellate court were inclined to find that Prop 19 preserved all
    215/420 rights, there is language in 19 to support that. If, on the other
    hand, an appellate court was inclined to find that 19 allowed local
    municipalities to impinge on 215/420, there is language that could support
    that position too. The bottom line is that the body of the statute could
    have clearly stated that local municipalities are not authorized to pass
    any ordinance or regulation that infringes on 215/420 in any manner, but it
    doesn’t." [53]
     
    Another section of Prop 19 made sure only licensed dealers would be allowed
    to deal – all other dealers were going to be punished by civil fines or
    worse. [54] The trouble with only allowing licensed dealers to deal is that
    – in one third of California, places such as Los Angeles and Oakland –
    there are very few licenses handed out. Oakland has four licenses in a city
    of 400,000 people – one license for every 100,000 people. Los Angeles has
    41 licenses for 14.8 million people – or one license for every 360,000
    people. Author of Prop 19 Richard Lee could have chosen to insist on
    "Sufficient community outlets" to prevent illegal dealing (in other words,
    unlimited outlets) and affordable, competition-encouraging $1000 licenses
    for retailers (instead of the current $60,000 or more Oakland retailers
    must pay) as Jack Herer did in his initiative.
     
    But Lee chose not to remove the discriminatory licensing system in his
    initiative. This was a tactical error on his part, as the decision not to
    remove the discrimination spelled doom for any unlicensed grower or dealer
    (or any family member of any unlicensed grower or dealer) who lived in – or
    feared they would one day live in – a pro-monopoly jurisdiction such as Los
    Angeles or Oakland. There are literally hundreds of thousands of these
    people all over California and they very well may have tipped the scales in
    favor of the "no" side on Nov. 2nd.
     
    http://www.cannabisculture.com/node/25832
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

     

 

    Tim Perkins <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 10:20AM -0700  

    An excerpt from Rappoports' series on the FDA:
     
    Retired propaganda master, Ellis Medavoy, once said to me, "Find a truly
    explosive hidden fact and put it in front of a person's eyes, hold it
    there, and see what happens. The person will go blank. He'll go blank
    because on a barely conscious level, he's rapidly calculating how many
    deceptions he's swallowed about all sorts of related subjects. Then
    he'll blink and tell you what you just showed him is impossible…"
     
    I would add: after he says it's impossible, he'll actually make excuses
    for the perpetrator of the crime you've just exposed. He'll give you a
    dozens reasons to let the perpetrator off the hook. He'll really warm up
    to the perpetrator and say he's a wonderful human being. He'll spin
    gossamer and rainbows from here to the moon.
     
    It's quite something to behold.
     
    http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2012/06/12/another-smoking-gun-the-fda-versus-the-people/
     
    On 6/16/2012 10:06 AM, a speciale wrote:

     

    Sam Clauder <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 12:15PM -0700  

    Prop 19 in 2010 was the best option voters have had since Prop 19 in 1972. Go raise $1 mil to put an initiative on the ballot and then you can criticize. Until then, suck on your bong and grace the rest of us with silence!
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

    Mendocino Medical Marijuana Advisory Board <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 03:25PM -0700  

    Major Tom to Mickey… AB2312 is our current problem, Prop 19 is
    history.
     
    AB2312 has big, big warts and you and I and Letitia and many others
    largely agree on what they are – there seems little point rehashing
    Prop 19 while in the midst of a REALLY serious battle.
     
    Best,
     
    Tom Davenport
    web admin – MMMAB
     
    On Jun 16, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Mickey Martin wrote:
     

     

June 11, 2012 – Digest for s..[email protected] – 25 Messages in 13 Topics

    Terry Colorado <s..[email protected]> Jun 09 04:34PM -0700  

    I must be doing something right … getting alot of angry emails from some
    of y'all .. keep it coming; i'm in the mood to respond. It would help if
    you pro-reg folks could say something other then how long you been fighting
    the good fight; and that i'm full of shit. Frankly that just encourages me!
    Why don't you ask yourself Hero … how effective can your really claim to
    be, if after 40 years of fighting for the cause … WEED IS STILL ILLEGAL!
     
    After you have humbled yourself; then approach me with a true debate on the
    merits of AB2312;
     
    I'm getting emails from some of y'all … you want to know who am I? I am
    the SLASH OF WATER; WAKE UP! AB2312 IS BAD LAW!
     
    col0rado
    Herald at Arms
    of the Cannabis Nation
     

     

    David Jack <s..[email protected]> Jun 09 05:39PM -0700  

    Terry,
     
    You are doing it exactly right because you are working for the narcs.
    You remind me of Gary Stevens, a Calaveras Co. sheriff narcotics officer
    that got on the nearly 2000 member Kubby list, AMMA, in 2001. Your posts
    are remarkably similar in almost every way. We even got his (Steven's)
    copy of the 3 volume CNOA manual that Judge Martin ordered he turn over
    to defense attorney, Randy Moore, trying a case in the county. As per
    those manuals, you follow instructions very, very well. This group has
    seen several like you over the years. It's your job to disrupt and bring
    into disrepute…..attack and divide.
     
    Usually you folks don't last that long on these lists because list
    managers/admins often just unsubscribe narc disruptors like you. On the
    other hand, we all get to see what you drug war supporters are up to, so
    maybe they will keep you around for awhile……either way, you have
    exposed yourself. Good luck with that.
     
    David Jack
     
    On 6/9/2012 4:34 PM, Terry Colorado wrote:

     

    Terry Colorado <s..[email protected]> Jun 09 06:35PM -0700  

    Dear Jack,
     
    Again; we have a messenger from the pro-reg crowd calling me a narc; no
    substance about AB2312; just blind rhetoric and name calling.
     
    Hmmm okay … i'll play "who's a narc" … isn't that like a pot calling a
    kettle black; David? Alright; alright folks I admit it … me and Jack
    David are narc's. We have been for years … right Jack? Tell em bout that
    time last year when we stupidly thought we had competent and responsive
    leadership that supported TRUE ACCESS and we supported the bad legislation
    they pushed at us? Remember the good ole days Mr. Jack … david … david
    jack david … bro your are so lucky you have two first names! So what's up
    Jack … david .. wanna debate AB2312?
     
    Or are you just gonna tell me some more war stories about how you been
    supporting the pro-reg crowd for 40+ years? Since we are reminiscing; you
    remind me of a history teacher i never paid much attention too. Is that a
    double "o" … i can never remember.
     
    Hold your threats: there is power in Anonymity; the name col0rado may come
    and go; but the message will be the same; DO NOT SUPPORT RESTRICTIVE
    REGULATION. We are legion and where there are Narco Warriors to battle;
    Cannabis Nation will always have a Herald at Arms; for the liberation of
    cannabis. amen.
     
    col0rado
    Herald at Arms
    for the Cannabis Nation
     
    marijuanahomepage.com
    ASAbook.org ~ lol
    #opcannabis
     
     

     

 

    William West <s..[email protected]> Jun 11 10:59AM -0700  

    so true, you are getting a voice out here and it is being heard!!! We tried
    for 2 years and they have done everything in their power to quite me. I
    have the video proof and it's undeniable. They have the money backing their
    moves, I just have The 1st Amendment. When you look at the "who's in" with
    A.S.A. it soon becomes clear the game they play is "All 4 Keeps" Only room
    for one king per thrown.
     
     
     
     

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    *William W. West*
    *William W. West Productions*
    *www.theweedlynews.com*
    *www.myspace.com/williamwwest*
    (phone#-removed)*

     

 

    David Malmo-Levine <s..[email protected]> Jun 09 10:17PM -0700  

    > "It's a matter of whether you sell it as a business or not."
     
    RMLW wasn't "a business" – it was "justice within the economic realm". RMLW
    and the Herer initiative were both level playing fields … Prop 19 and
    this fucked up AB2312 represent privilege and injustice.
     
     
     
     
     
    > "It seems odd to me that certain people seem to be against pot becoming
    > commercially regulated, considering that a lot of people seem to be making
    > money on it like it is and opposing change."
     
    It's true there are those who are categorically against any regulation
    whatsoever. And then there are those of us who just don't wish to see a
    cartel form. You have reasonable arguments for the former, and you pretend
    you are talking with the former when talking with the latter.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    > Kind of like the dealers are in the same league as the big corporations,
    > against any rules that might reduce their immediate profits.
     
    No. The dealers just want to still be dealers – as should be their right
    according to these pot activists, all of whom I respect:
     
    *Michael Aldrich* argued that cannabis "should be controlled as alcohol is
    controlled". [7]
     
    In a 1971 issue of *The Marijuana Review*, a more detailed vision of
    legalization emerged out of San Francisco, one with a strong inclusivity
    sentiment:
     
    "Opposing government monopoly of sale because it "presupposes that the
    traffic is evil and therefore not to be left in private industry," and
    government licensing of only a few vendors because "any system of licensing
    that is more selective or restrictive than our present system of alcoholic
    beverages control is fruitful for bribery and corruption," the Committee
    simply urges: "The sale of Marijuana to adults can be regulated by laws on
    the general order of those regulating alcoholic beverages." [10]
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    There was a 1972 version of Prop 19. It was far more progressive than the
    2010 version of Prop 19 in that it refused to throw anyone under the bus. A
    "yes" vote on the 1972 Proposition 19 would have revised California's laws
    about to marijuana to "provide that no person in the State of California 18
    years of age or older shall be punished in any way for growing, processing,
    transporting, or possessing marijuana for personal use, or for using it.
    [11]
     
    The next example I came across of a vision of a post legalization world was
    in an early issue of *High Times* magazine – the 1975 "Alaska Goes Legal"
    issue. *The High Times editors* stated:
     
    "The only reasonable solution seems to be to bring the present underground
    distribution system aboveground – legally. *Each dealer would have his
    small store, like a tobacco shop.* … Competition would keep quality high."
    [12]
     
     
     
    *Dr. Mikuriya *used the pages of *High Times* to come out in favor of
    "complete legalization": a monopoly-busting 100 plant limit on home
    cultivation. As well, Dr. Mikuriya provided a very interesting insight into
    just how liberal the repeal of alcohol prohibition in the United States
    actually was – a 250 gallon limit per person! [14]
     
     
     
    At this time NORML – a cannabis consumer advocacy group – was beginning to
    feel the pressure from the rank and file to expand their advocacy to
    include "full legalization" – one which will protect "the Third World
    growers and the neighbourhood dealers". [15]
     
     
     
    The next year *Keith Richard* of the Rolling Stones threw his two cents
    into the debate:
     
    "If they can figure out a way of taking it over and making bread out of it,
    it’ll be legal. The only reason methadone’s such a big deal in America is
    because a lot of people are making millions on it. … I think they realize
    that even if they sell 20 filtered Acapulco golds, real grass heads will
    still be buying their stash from the man who comes over the border with it
    under the floorboards of his truck. If you want good tobacco, you don’t buy
    Newports or Marlboros. You go to some little tobacco stall and choose your
    tobacco." [17]
     
     
     
    Down in Kentucky, *Gatewood Galbraith* became the voice for the Kentucky
    pot grower:
     
    "I would seek to implement this plan whereby we allot our farmers a certain
    poundage to grow each year. The farmer cannot sell to anyone else. He can
    only sell it to the state. The state would be the middleman. The state has
    a legitimate interest in taxing and controlling this substance. The state
    would then package it, grade it for potency, and turn around and sell it
    wholesale to licensed retail dealers around the state – the people who are
    dealing now for a living.* The object is to spread the wealth as much as
    possible. We don’t want the oil, tobacco, and liquor companies, or the
    pharmaceutical industry gaining control of this market. It’s extremely
    important that it be kept in the hands of the people who have put it
    together over these last twenty years."* [23]
     
     
     
    The 1990s brought with it pro-legalization groups other than NORML, and
    they too spoke of inclusive models for the post-legalization economy. For
    example, the hemp movement brought with it quotes such as this one from
    Prop 19 supporter *Chris Conrad*, answering the question "who benefits from
    relegalization?":
     
    "For current cannabis consumers and *suppliers*, it removes the risks and
    problems of operating in a black market economy and the fear and stigma of
    prosecution. It allows them to be honest about their life styles and
    pastimes with their friends, families, employers, doctors, elected
    officials, etc." [25]
     
     
    http://www.cannabisculture.com/node/25832
     
    Damn … where did THAT Chris Conrad go? The one who was concerned with all
    the suppliers? When was he replaced with a guy who would accuse the
    suppliers who were opposed to initiatives that did not get rid of
    discriminatory licensing of being against all forms of legalization?
     
    Guys like Richard Lee who seek to ENTRENCH the old,
    currently-existing-in-LA-and-Oakland discriminatory licensing practices, or
    the ASA who seek to create a whole new set of discriminatory licensing
    practices. Fuck them. They are the enemy. They stand for the opposite of
    what the above people stand for. They are seeking to create an oligopoly.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    > "When did the growers become "the man" fighting to keep everyone else
    > under their thumb?"
     
    They didn't. They just don't share your enthusiasm for oligopoly – they
    know the difference between that and real legalization – legalization for
    all.
     
     
     
     
    > "Tokers, on the other hand, just want to be able to grow a little, share a
    > little, and buy some whenever they want without risk of arrest."
     
    Actually, they don't want to see a few lucky people sell all the pot.
    That's why Prop 19 failed. That's why any oligopolistic initiative is
    doomed to fail. Many people can see through the scam – enough to vote
    against it and doom it to failure.
     
     
     
     
     
    > "Most of the people I talk to like the idea of going to a local shop to
    > buy it over the county and pay taxes like they do for their beer or wine."
     
    Exactly. Like beer and wine. No oligopoly. And how many beer and wine
    licenses do cities have?
     
     
    Upon careful examination of the many documents available at the website of
    the Department of Alcohol Beverage Control is one entitled “2005 Moratorium
    Counties/Cities”. In it, we learn that:
     
    *“*On January 1, 1998, Section 23817.5 was amended to permanently
    establish a moratorium on the issuance of off-sale beer and wine licenses
    (Type 20) in cities and counties where the ratio of Type 20 licenses
    exceeds one for each 2,500 inhabitants. In the city and county of San
    Francisco, the ratio has been established as one for each 1,250
    inhabitants. The San Francisco computation combines off-sale beer and wine
    license with off-sale general licenses for the purpose of establishing the
    ratio.” (164)
     
    In other words, there are “caps” on the number of retail outlets, but they
    are in the thousands – even tens of thousands – for big cities, and in the
    hundreds for smaller jurisdictions. For example, if Los Angeles, with a
    population of 14.8 million, is allowed to have as many places to buy
    off-sale Cannabis as off-sale beer and wine (one retailer for every 1,250)
    then Los Angeles will have 11,840 Cannabis retail outlets. At the same
    rate, San Francisco will permit 5,936 cafes, and Oakland, at the “town
    rate” of one retailer per 2,500 residents, will permit 160 pot cafes.
     
    http://www.cannabisculture.com/content/2011/07/07/Crystal-Clear-Glasses-and-Unbleached-Rollies
     
     
    So if you support cannabis to be sold "like beer and wine", why do you
    favor the consolidation of the market to upwards of 1 retailer for every
    50,000 people, when the market for beer and wine is somewhere around one
    retailer for every 1,250-2,500 people? Why are you in favor of a market
    place 20 to 40 times more consolidated than the beer and wine market?
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    > "It's the narcs and dealers who like the status quo."
     
    It's the people lucky enough to have a license, or those who wish to be in
    control of handing out the licenses.
     
     
     
     
    > "That's okay, but people can be a little more up front about it."
     
    I'm upfront about "legalization for all". I'm up front about "regulating
    like wine". It's you who is playing the "I don't see any pot oligopoly",
    "all those who are saying they are opposed to an oligopoly are actually
    opposed to all legalization" games. You're the one being deceptive, not me.
     
     

     

    Mickey Martin <s..[email protected]> Jun 08 09:30PM -0700  

    Kubby to sue me for libel over Headbook remarks….
    Posted by Mickey Martin on June 9th, 2012
    In what I can only describe as hillarious, Bill McPike, Steve Kubby’s attorney and fellow “Like Wino,” sent me an email threatening legal action if I did not remove my posts about Headbook and issue a public apology. Now I am laughing incredibly hard. The thought of Steve Kubby suing me for my commentary on his very public press release for his “weapons grade” weed trading and social networking site makes me giggle. 
    Look here, Steve. If you wanted to talk about it you could have reached out to me. Sending McPike to threaten to sue me is just stupid. I suppose you will see me in court after I get served papers. But here is a little word of advice before you travel down that road…..think long and hard how far you want to take this. For better or worse, we may still have to work together some day. The choice is yours though, brother. 
    Like I told Bill….
    Sue me. I double dog dare you.
    Here is the email I received from Bill McPike….
    Hi Micky,
    I represent Steve Kubby, who has directed me to your Libelous post on the www. As a favor to you, at this Time, I am merely asking that you remove your post, From all sites which post was made by you on June 1, 2012 In cannabis warrior and at least to Todd McCormick’s site, Save Cannabis readers, etc. Issue a public apology which I approve.
     Libel per se is where a (writing) (1) publication is made (2)    Which is false (3)  defamatory (4) Unprivileged (5) and accuses a person of a crime, harms reputation,
    Or causes special damage.
    Also: exposes a person to hatred, contempt, ridicule, or Obloquy, or which causes him to be shunned, or avoided, or Which has a tendency to harm reputation or occupation. No damages need be proven, it the publication itself which Proves the damages.
     In case you can’t figure this out, look at how you labeled Mr. Kubby’s photo, and all the stupid things you say.
    See: Yow v Nat’l Enquirer
    Anybody in the world can Find this on Google & wherever else you placed this. 
    Innuendo is enough.
    The damage is done.
    If I don’t hear from you, Mr. Kubby Will pursue all legal options available to him.
    This isn’t for publicity, I do not expect to make draw any attention To this. This is between you & Kubby for now.
    Bill McPike
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..[email protected]
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/micKEYmarTIN
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***

     

 

    Terry Colorado <s..[email protected]> Jun 10 02:23PM -0700  

    Right on the mark Mickey; 100 percent ACCOUNTABILITY. Sounds like some shit
    bout ready to bust out in some Narco Warrior faces.
     
     

    col0rado
    Herald at Arms
    of the Cannabis Nation
     
    marijuanahomepage.com
    #opcannabis

     

    Joe Grumbine <s..[email protected]> Jun 08 05:23PM -0700  

    Lavonne, my property isn't worth what I owe on it and all the money I have
    raised has gone to attorneys, i have spent more than 60 days in court in
    the past year, that's one of the ways they get you is to keep you in the
    court. (hint, you can't work and make money no matter where you work if
    you're in court)
    to take statements out of context rather than facts is as destructive and
    ignorant if not downright libelous. Several of the statements posted hear
    have no basis in truth. I am nearly finished writing an article regarding
    the destructive nature of accusations. From unfounded charges by
    prosecutors to "well meaning " advocates.
     
    What if I published in a forum that I heard that Lavonne did something
    really awful, and stole money from good people or anything for that
    matter…..
    these things are sucked up by onlookers as fact and leave a shock wave of
    destruction.
    unfortunately most people caught in the justice system end up taking a
    deal and few are willing to fight.
    To put any patient as more deserving of justice than another is a disgrace
     
    to put down a defendant doing everything in his power to get justice in a
    time where it's not easily had. is also abhorrent. this is one of our
    "movement's" greatest issues. Who needs law enforcement, all you have to do
    is stand up for your rights and someone inside will take a swing at you
    sooner than later.
    I have stood up for many and continue to do so. In fact Liz (my wife ) was
    one of the few supporters at your prelim. ( I was in another court at the
    time or would have been there as well) but instead of my wife being by my
    side, I sent her to yours.
     
    as a result of these accusations, I have had to defend my integrity to
    those that are supposedly my allies while our enemies sit back and gloat.
    As always I welcome anyone to visit, interview, or view anything in my life
    as it has become an open book as a result of the "War on Drugs"
     
    Again, I usually keep my mouth shut on this forum but when false
    information is posted about me or my family I am compelled to respond. My
    apologies in advance to anyone that is confused or harmed in any way. I
    will not be engaging any needless pissing contest. nor will I respond to
    this further on this forum. Anyone that wants to hear the truth from the
    "horses mouth" please give a call(phone#-removed), send an email (
    s..[email protected]) or come by for a visit 26521 Hammack Ave
    Perris, Ca 92570
    that's what transparent looks like.
    oh yes!
    NO one should go to jail for a plant
    ever!
    just sayin'
    Blessings
    Joe Grumbine
     

    Blessings
    Joe

     

    Terry Colorado <s..[email protected]> Jun 09 11:29PM -0700  

    lavonne;
     
    Are you advocating a "Victim's of War" fund? I like the idea; a rich
    industry can afford to think in this regard; it would also help nationally
    as we can say that we take care of our own; i would prefer to replace 5
    percent of the AB2312 tax with a tax that help the patients who need it the
    most.
     
    Thank you!
     
     
     

    col0rado
    Herald at Arms
    of the Cannabis Nation
     
    marijuanahomepage.com
    #opcannabis

     

    LANNYSWERDLOW <s..[email protected]> Jun 10 02:15PM -0700  

    Everyone has been outraged by San Bernardino County’s ban on outdoor cultivation. It is not only another malicious attempt by the SB Co. Board of Supervisors to undermine Prop. 215 and SB 420, it is another example of what freedoms and scientific research our elected officials are willing to sacrifice at the altar of the War on Drugs.

    Although San Bernardino County is not the first county to ban outdoor cannabis cultivation, it is the first municipality being hauled into court to defend their petty and mean spirited ordinance. Local attorney and medical marijuana activist Letitia Pepper has been doggedly pursuing her lawsuit to end this cultivation prohibition and this Friday, June 15, the day of reckoning comes due as San Bernardino will have to publicly defend their outdoor cultivation ban ordinance in a court of law!
     
    Letitia is challenging the legality of the ordinance under the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA). Under CEQA Letitia needs to show that adoption of the ordinance would have a significant impact in the physical environment, meaning that something significant to the senses — perceivable — would happen to the physical environment, not to people.
     
    Letitia argues in her lawsuit that the increase in traffic of patients having to drive out of the county to get medicine would be such an impact and that the increased use of electricity by forcing outdoor growers indoors would have many negative physical impacts. The use of electricity by indoor marijuana grows reportedly accounts for 1% of the total electrical power consumption in the United States so it most likely accounts for the same in San Bernardino – so it is not inconsequential.
     
    To learn more, this Monday, June 11 at 6p.m. listen in to our radio show Marijuana Compassion and Common Sense. Letitia will be one of our featured guests and will provide you with more details about the lawsuit.
     
    The Monday show will also feature Tom Cook who is embroiled in a custody battle over adopting a toddler who was orphaned when the child’s 20-year-old mother and her unborn child were fatally stabbed by her boyfriend. Marijuana and Children’s Services Division play into this unfortunate situation which Tom will explain.
     
    We will also be speaking with Joe Grumbine who will bring us an update on his and Joe Bryon’s retrial in Long Beach.
     
    Join us this Monday, June 11 at 6 p.m. and every Monday at 6 p.m. for Marijuana Compassion and Common Sense on IE Talk Radio KCAA 1050AM and simulcast at kcaaradio.com.

     

    Terry Colorado <s..[email protected]> Jun 10 04:24PM -0700  

    Anonymity removes the power of organizations that use identity to
    maliciously, slander; libel; alienate, and threaten; its never too late to
    debate. Your group shaped the legislation to fit your agenda. When did
    anyone have a chance to shape the legislation? Do you mean after your
    organization stole 1 million dollars from the patients you pretend to
    protect; and then shifted it over to lobby for AB2312; so your group can
    control the cannabis market in California?
     
    Is that your idea of participation Courtney Sheats? Do you support a
    rewrite of AB2312 to remove all restrictive regulation; support Prop 215?
     
     
    On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Courtney Sheats <s..[email protected]
     

    col0rado
    Herald at Arms
    of the Cannabis Nation
     
    marijuanahomepage.com
    #opcannabis

     

    Courtney Sheats <s..[email protected]> Jun 10 04:42PM -0700  

    "Anonymity removes the power of organizations that use identity to
    maliciously, slander; libel; alienate, and threaten;"
     
    You mean, when you called me chickenshit on Facebook, unprovoked?
     
    ASA stole nothing. I firmly stand behind ASA's work – my work, and the
    integrity of our staff.
     
    I refuse to give your words any additional weight when you haven't
    participated in any of the discussions related to AB2312, which you have
    had plenty of time to do. It was widely discussed that discussions and
    questions relating to AB2312 would be given time during the Unity
    conference and there were patients on both sides of the argument that
    brought their ideas and concerns to that discussion.
     
    Interestingly enough, you deleted my original comment from this
    forward..??
     
    On June 10, 2012, Terry Colorado wrote:
    > [9] http://npomail.electricembers.net/tel:%28510%29%20251.1856%20×322
    > [10] mailto:s..[email protected]
    > [11] http://marijuanahomepage.com/
     

    Courtney Sheats, Regional Coordinator
    C: (916) 588.8672 O: (510) 251.1856 x322
     
    Americans for Safe Access is the largest national member-based
    organization
    of patients, medical professionals, scientists and concerned citizens
    promoting safe and legal access to cannabis for therapeutic use and
    research. ASA is dedicated to meeting the immediate needs of medical
    cannabis patients and their providers while creating a movement to
    promote
    safe and legal access. ASA works to overcome political and legal
    barriers
    by creating policies that improve access to medical cannabis for
    patients
    and researchers by engaging a multifaceted strategy that incorporates
    public education, impact litigation, grassroots development and
    advocacy,
    media campaigns, and direct support services.

     

    David Fiedler <s..[email protected]> Jun 11 12:04PM -0700  

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
     
    Contact: David Fiedler(phone#-removed) / s..[email protected]
    * *
     
    * *
     
    *Laurel Dewey's Tender, Romantic, Funny Novel of a Conservative
    Middle-Aged Widow’s Awakening to Love and Cannabis*
     
    * *
     
    *“Betty’s (Little Basement) Garden”
    Raises Awareness Of Medical Marijuana*
     
    * *
     
    New York, June 12, 2012—Laurel Dewey, the Colorado author best known for
    her Jane Perry mystery series, has written the first mainstream novel to
    take a serious look at medical marijuana. *Betty’s (Little Basement)
    Garden*(The Story Plant; June 2012; $16.95 Paperback; ISBN-13:
    (phone#-removed)0),
    introduces a dynamic heroine—58-year-old Betty Craven, elegant former
    beauty queen and recent widow—who finds herself getting involved with
    medical marijuana as well as with an intriguing and independent man.
     
     
     
    Driven by memorable, colorful characters and packed with intrigue, humor,
    romantic tension, and enlightening facts about the healing properties of
    cannabis, Dewey’s novel gently raises awareness of this timely subject
    matter while drawing readers into the story. Betty gradually comes to
    question her long-held beliefs and principles, let down her facade, and
    rediscover her true and amazing self.
     
    * *
     
    *Betty’s (Little Basement) Garden *keeps readers riveted and rooting for
    Betty through every startling twist. In Betty, Laurel Dewey has created a
    captivating activist for not only medical marijuana, but also for women’s
    liberation, especially in midlife and after crises. *Betty’s (Little
    Basement) Garden* is partly drama, partly romance, and thoroughly
    entertaining.
     
     
     
    Laurel Dewey writes this powerful and compelling novel partly based on her
    own experiences living in rural Colorado, and partly on her own extensive
    research and knowledge. While Jane Perry fans may not realize it, Laurel
    Dewey (http://www.laureldewey.com) has written two books on plant medicine (
    *Plant Power* and *The Humorous Herbalist*), along with ten booklets and
    hundreds of articles on alternative health. She is also the author of a
    Silver Spur nominated Western novella and three novels in her Jane Perry
    suspense series—*Protector*, *Redemption*, and *Revelations*—along with the
    Jane Perry novelettes *An Unfinished Death* and *Promissory Payback* and
    the story collection *Unrevealed*.
     
     
     
    “Quite pleasing and unique…interestingly done.” – Viviane Crystal, Crystal
    Book Reviews<http://crystalbookreviews.blogspot.com/2012/05/bettys-little-basement-garden-by-laurel.html>
     
     
     
    “Does not disappoint…characters maintain their charisma and charm and
    draw you in…interesting and unique.” – Leslie Wright,
    BlogCritics.org<http://blogcritics.org/books/article/book-review-bettys-little-basement-garden/>
     
     
     
    “Compelling, emotional, at times humorous, controversial, heart wrenching,
    inspirational…Highly recommend!” – Cheryl Mash,
    Goodreads.com<http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/314494606>
     
     
    <http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/314494606>

     

    michael jolson <s..[email protected]> Jun 08 11:48AM -0700  

    Greetings everyone!
     
    The CCHHI 2012 is now over and we can proudly report we have over 50,000 signatures "in house" with an estimated 100,000 plus in total !
    We submitted the signatures on 6/6/12 to San Fran,Santa Clara,Solano,Santa Cruz,and Monerey Counties!
    We were two days late in our submission thinking the turn in was on 6/6/12 when it was on 6/4/12!
    The signature turn in was an act of symbolism to show the world that over 50,000-more like up to 100,000 support 100% Relegalization of Cannabis Hemp and freeing ALL NON-VIOLENT Cannabis Prisoners!
    We attained over 50,000 signatures -more in the mail and more never sent in-with only roughly $25,000 spent!
    We will circulate the wording to the Cannabis Community-ONCE AGAIN-and will begin the next signature drive roughly around May 15,2013!
    We did this without the help of: NORML,CANORML,ASA,Jeannie Herer,Debby Goldsberry,Stephen D Angelou,High Times,West Coast Leaf,Skunk Magazine,and zero support from Save Cannabis as well!
    We have a solid 50,000 signatures to prove and show that there is massive support for 100% Legalization and the release of ALL non-violent Cannabis prisoners!
    We have built up a network of grassroots activist and professional petitioners!
    We have gone against the tide of this elitist Cannabis movement and allowed 50-100,000 to show there is support out there for 100% Relegalziation!
    This is bigger news than anything you all talk about in this group ! We are actually attempting to end the war on Cannabis!
    You all should tell everyone that the CCHHI 2012 got up to 100,000 signatures without the support of the Cannabis Reform movement!
    There will be at least 3 Cannabis initiatives in 2014 and we r starting the CCHHI 2014 next May 2013!
    Please look in the mirror when u want to change the laws! See that reflection in the mirror ? That reflection is the source for change ! U are the catalyst for Legalization!
    Wow,could u imagine how well we could have done with your support ? You,the leaders of the Cannabis reform movement!
    We got over 50,000 solid signatures with the number probably closer to 100,000 an we did this without YOUR help!
    Instead ,SOME of U criticized us and ridiculed us saying Jack Herer's CCHHI 2012 would never fly ! People like Pebbles who bad mouthed out petition because it releases non-violent prisoners!
    Guess what-Pebbles and crew are 100% wrong!
    So,next time quit bad mouthing Jack Herer's CCHHI 2014 and don't send messages Saying Jack's petition asks for too much !
    Thanks,
    Michael Jolson
    CCHHI 2012
    (phone#-removed)

     
    Sent from my iPhone

     

 

    lynnette shaw <s..[email protected]> Jun 09 09:06AM -0700  

    EVERYBODY INVITED!
     
    MARIN ALLIANCE CLUB REUNION AND BENEFIT
     
    SUNDAY JUNE 24TH, 2012 FROM 1 PM – 4 PM
     
    AT DEER PARK VILLA, 367 BOLINAS RD., FAIRFAX
     
    with keynote speaker –
    LP Vice-Presidential Candidate Judge Jim Gray
     
    ADMISSION – whatever you can donate to help avert the crisis.
     
    Lynnette Shaw misses everyone very much, and would love to see the MAMM family that was ripped away from her by the unfair Federal action that closed the Marin Alliance for Medical Marijuana forever.
     
    She is having to declare bankruptcy due to the crushing of her beloved charity organization. The house she bought with her late father's money may be seized due to the staggering bills she is stuck with.
     
    PLEASE HELP. Write a check for any amount and send it to :
    Lynnette Shaw, POB 426, Fairfax, CA 94978
     
    Volunteer some time. There is an overwhelming pile of boxes, souvenirs, awards, records, paintings and furniture in four storage lockers that are at risk of being lost due to no money.
     
    If you have a suitable job for Lynnette, please let her know ASAP.
     
    For more information, call(phone#-removed) ( CBC Marin Delivers) or(phone#-removed)
     
    SEE YOU ON SUNDAY JUNE 24TH FROM 1PM – 4 PM AT DEER PARK VILLA!

     

 

 

February 29, 2012 – Digest for s..[email protected] – 12 Messages in 4 Topics

    Mickey Martin <s..[email protected]> Feb 28 10:46AM -0800  

    http://cannabiswarrior.com/2012/02/28/my-big-plan-to-legalize-cannabis-in-ca-in-2012-the-lottery/
     
     
    Yesterday we got news that Colorado qualified an effort to legalize cannabis for the November ballot, and Washington State has also qualified an adult use measure there. As I sit here in California, the mecca of cannabis, I am ultimately frustrated with the lack of support for a legalization measure here, as I firmly believe that in a Presidential Election year with very weak Republican candidates, we have a real shot at getting that 50% + 1 voter out to support this cause. Even with the opposition to 19, in a non-Presidential year we got 46%, so I have no doubt California would pass a legalization effort if given the opportunity.
     
    At this point, I am praying for a miracle. Well, not so much praying any more, as trying to take destiny into my own hands. I have decided that quite possibly our best shot for legalization is if I played the lottery. That's right. I said it. I went to the store and bought lottery tickets for tonights big $94 million Mega-Millions lottery drawing. If I win, I commit to spending the vast majority of the winnings on legalizing cannabis, here in CA first and then the World. I would hope that others would do the same. I figure, if the big magnet in the sky and the controlling powers of the universe believe in cannabis and want to see it returned to our society as the safe, enjoyable, and helpful plant it is, that the skies will open up and I will win the lottery tonight…or maybe next week. Who knows? I am committed to playing every week until cannabis is legal. It is really all a little guy with no money can do at this point.
     
    Maybe one day I will be the big bucks millionaire and I will be able to put my money up for a cause I truly believe in. I sure hope that we see real cannabis reform for adult use allowance far before then, though….so I am playing the lottery. It is the least I could do. I want to be the guy who won the lottery and used his winnings to change the world. That would be the shit.
     
    Does this sound delusional? Well maybe it is, but that is about the most hope I have at this stage of the game for legalization in CA for 2012. That is sad. It is all of our sad realities. In our best opportunity to actually pass the fucking thing, we have no major angel donors, or real effort to get the signatures to qualify for the ballot. We will likely fall short, and be forced to dance the "who is sick enough to use cannabis?" dance for another 4 years. It almost makes me cry to say it out loud….but I am still very hopeful about my lottery ticket prospects. In fact, it is all I really have going at this moment that makes me smile in this Godforsaken industry and its ever-lasting volatility and uncertainty.
     
    I believe in miracles, so I am still hopeful that even if the lottery does not work out, one of these rich people who love weed as much as I do because it makes my world a better place will step up to the plate and do the right thing in CA. It is not too late to be that person who drastically improves the lives of millions of people with one stroke of the checkbook.  And….I will be your best friend (or not, whichever you prefer). But myself, and millions of others will cherish you, name strains after you, and the whole nine. You will be our new Bob Marley.
     
    Until then, though, I am playing the lottery.
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..[email protected]
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/micKEYmarTIN
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
     
    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***

     

    "Dr. David Bearman" <s..[email protected]> Feb 28 02:55PM -0500  

    If every body on this list committed to lining up 10 friends and each of us and them agreed to collect only 150 signatures what would that give us/. If there are 400 on this list and we each recruit 10 that is 4400 potential signature gathers. 150X 4400= 660,000. Jusat a thought. We might even hook up with the Ron Paul campaighn to help gather signatures on college campuses. The more signatures we can collect the more likely we are to attract large contributors. Praying for the big donor isn't going to make it happen. This isn't rocket science.As many have pointed out ,this is politics.
    Peace
    David Bearman,M.D.

     

    Mickey Martin <s..[email protected]> Feb 28 11:59AM -0800  

    I think the lottery has better odds than a volunteer effort to make the ballot. Have there been any solely volunteer efforts to qualify in CA in the past 20 years? I cannot recall one. Several people have won the lottery though. Just a thought….
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..[email protected]
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/micKEYmarTIN
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
     
    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***
     
     
    ________________________________
    From: Dr. David Bearman <s..[email protected]>
    Cc: Mickey Martin <s..[email protected]>
    Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:55 AM

    If every body on this list committed to lining up 10 friends and each of us and them agreed to collect only 150  signatures what would that give us/. If there are 400 on this list and we each recruit 10 that is 4400 potential signature gathers. 150X 4400= 660,000. Jusat a thought. We might even hook up with the Ron Paul campaighn to help gather signatures on college campuses. The more signatures we can collect the more likely we are to attract large contributors. Praying for the big donor  isn't going to make it happen. This isn't rocket science.As many have pointed out ,this is politics.
    Peace
    David Bearman,M.D.

     

 

 

    Mikki Norris <s..[email protected]> Feb 28 12:12PM -0800  

    Unfortunately, volunteerism isn't what it used to be. Are you willing to
    get 150 signatures? It's a nice idea, but people don't seem to have the
    time or inclination in the numbers required to do this. We can probably
    count on 150,000 signatures at most with an all volunteer effort, not
    nearly enough to qualify. I wish it was different, but it's not.
     
    Mikki Norris
     

     

    "Dr. David Bearman" <s..[email protected]> Feb 28 03:09PM -0500  

    well we can just sit on our collective hands and pray for money to fall from the sky. This list did have someone say that 40 years ago the first prop 19 got on the ballot with mainly volunteer help and money from selling Amorphia cigarette papers.
    I'm not saying that we could collect all the signatures needed by volunteers. I am saying that such an effort might help the big bucks boys unlimber their wallets. We may need more then just good ideas and listening to the sound of our own voices to generate the financial support necessary to put an initiative on the ballot.
    peace
    David
    > I think the lottery has better odds than a volunteer effort to make the ballot. Have there been any solely volunteer efforts to qualify in CA in the past 20 years? I cannot recall one. Several people have won the lottery though. Just a thought….
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..[email protected]
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/micKEYmarTIN
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
     
    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***
     
     
    ________________________________
    From: Dr. David Bearman <s..[email protected]>
    Cc: Mickey Martin <s..[email protected]>
    Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:55 AM

    If every body on this list committed to lining up 10 friends and each of us and them agreed to collect only 150  signatures what would that give us/. If there are 400 on this list and we each recruit 10 that is 4400 potential signature gathers. 150X 4400= 660,000. Jusat a thought. We might even hook up with the Ron Paul campaighn to help gather signatures on college campuses. The more signatures we can collect the more likely we are to attract large contributors. Praying for the big donor  isn't going to make it happen. This isn't rocket science.As many have pointed out ,this is politics.
    Peace
    David Bearman,M.D.
    —- Mickey Martin <s..[email protected]> wrote:

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..[email protected]> Feb 28 01:23AM -0800  

    Just so out of state people know part of the issue of our state id
    cards in California is the cost . They are unreasonabley expensive . I
    would like to see these Id cost the same as our regular state ID
    cards.
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

 

    "Dr. David Bearman" <s..[email protected]> Feb 28 02:46PM -0500  

    You are correct. The cost is prohibitive for low income patients.
    Patients should be advised that getting the state ID card at least once or twice is a very good police harassment repellent.
    Dr.Dave
    —- "Axis of Love SF wrote:

     

    David Malmo-Levine <s..[email protected]> Feb 28 12:27AM -0800  

    Is this you too?:
     
    http://www.reefermadnessteachingmuseum.org/ReeferMadness/page1.htm
     
     
     
     
     
     

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Feb 27 07:05PM -0800  

    All ….Tom office came to our taskforce meeting in SF today and gave
    a presentation. Which included a timeline of sorts and when our first
    organizing influences should be ready. Including suggested amendments.
    Which our taskforce will vote on our set next month. First comitte
    will be in one month …its currently on legilsative hold for 30 days.
    Its looking like it will be assigned to dual comittees before hitting
    the assembly floor. Lynette points are correct indeed. Toms office
    stressed us all working in a unified manner. We also heard a rumor is
    what Im calling it for safety sake becuase I personaly havent seen the
    letter but a taskforce member stated that one more landlord letter in
    SF has been received. We gave thank you letters to our four
    supervisors who showed up and spoke out at 2/15 press conference.
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

February 28, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 22 Messages in 6 Topics

    "andrew garret" <s..s@a2c2.us> Feb 27 04:47PM -0800  

    VIRGINIA Hemp page, now up
     
     
    The web-page dealing with the State of Virginia is now up and running.
    Sorry it took so long, but we had to document everything.
     
    The INDUSTRIAL HEMP section deals with the following questions:
     
    —Was THOMAS JEFFERSON a Marihuana smuggler? And why did he do it?
     
    —Did George Washington really grow Hemp?
     
    —Did Virginia really have a law requiring one to grew HEMP or else.
     
    The REEFER MADNESS section asks the following question – Was the MOVIE
    REEFER MADNESS a PORNO or an educational film? We simply provide the
    facts as Harry Anslingers (National Archives files) state them — you
    decide?
     
    The site also has a Medical Cannabis section. — to get their just go to
    the main webpage www.AntiqueCannabisBook.com — go down toward the bottom
    and click on the State of Virginia flag.
     
     
    Antique Andy
    Museum Curator
    s..s@a2c2.us
    www.AntiqueCannabisBook.com
    www.ReeferMadnessMuseum.org
     
     
     
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    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Feb 26 06:48PM -0800  

    There are some amendments needed to Toms bill here are my suggestions -
    define the five residence seats to* actual qualified seats* – 1] planning
    code, land use specialist 2] person with a degree in public health and
    safety 3] person with a degree in social work/or civil rights lawyer
    4] disabled law specialist/ or labor law 5] building code and construction
    specialist
    *
    – along with defining patient advocate?
    *
    Lets finally *define ''affordable access''* and for medical mj stores? Lets
    get into the health code as a state legal medicine and work out co-pays for
    lowincome and disabled people in California?
     
    And in SF? lets be able to get a co-pa*y via healthy sf* – if we can get a
    co-pay for morphine ? And other drugs that kill us ? how about one for what
    our doctor recommends?
    Lets have this board be professionals and and be able to read and develop
    code. Be able to compare and contrast in areas needed – and consider true
    community benefit .
     
    NOT A STACKED MONOLOPY
     
    I think the time line is off – if we are going to consolidate criteria to
    approve permits? that in and of itself could take up to a year and then
    reviewing all the applicant's? it will require weekly meeting of board?
     
    Last but not least lets support amend ab2312 going thru the state houses
    not waste our resources to fund ballot that cant be amended and would close
    down compassionate care and create a monopoly.
     
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    "s..s@a2c2.us" <s..s@a2c2.us> Feb 26 05:09PM -0800  

    Great breakdown. A lot to absorb. So what would you do? Shun Ammiano, do
    both, or back Ammiano.?
     
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    —–Original message—–
    Sent: Sun, Feb 26, 2012 23:34:45 GMT+00:00
     
    I can't speak for either camp, but I'll give a quick recap of what I saw:
     
    — The first distinction is critical but not visible. A voter-approved
    initiative, like Prop. 215, may not be amended by later pronouncements of
    the state Legislature, as we found out with the MMPA's
    possession/cultivation limits in People v. Kelly. Two key concepts here:
     
    1. Because federal law remains the big elephant in the room, a state's
    rights challenge on Tenth Amendment grounds is inevitable. A voter-approved
    state initiative may have more sticking power in federal courts than a
    legislative bill that does the same thing.
     
    2. Putting federal law aside for a moment, California ballot initiatives
    have great staying power when faced with attacks from state and local
    lawmakers. What the Legislature can do, the Legislature can undo in a
    heartbeat, and likely will given further federal meddling. MMRCT's reforms
    (which don't amend the Compassionate Use Act in any way) will have equal
    legal status as the CUA. Unlike the CUA, MMRCT does allow for amendment "to
    further the purposes of the Act" with a 2/3 vote of each house of the
    Legislature. That's not easy, as our annual budget fiascos illustrate, so I
    don't know if that's a deal-killer or not.
     
    — Both versions amend H&S 11362.775 to remove that problematic "shall not
    solely on the basis of that fact" language that has bedeviled attorneys
    since 1993. What remains is that qualified patients, MMPA cardholders
    "shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or sanctio

     

 

    Jeff Jones <s..s@a2c2.us> Feb 26 11:12PM -0800  

    Great review of both AB 2312 and MMRCT's. I would only add that the state the ID process has been targeted but only at local county level. As the State keeps no names or files but most Counties do (except San Francisco) when issuing the State ID Card. We just don't know the full impact of this yet on patient records. I will release that the DEA asked for LA county files for state card patients during the start of the flare up there. I know this as the LA County program called my office to ask advice about what to do. We stated don't comply as they are protect patient medical records, but seems like most local bureaucrats won't protect our files if question by Washington DC departments.
     
    Give the Feds a reason and they will press the subpoena's forward as they have recently again in SF DHP for all files related to most of the 21 providers left in business. Which they do seem to keep very specific records about collectives that are operating with permits.
     
    I support both efforts as it took MMRCT being filed with AG Harris to get AB 2312 in such good form as most of it's content is ideas from the our own movement and helps both efforts from my perspective.
     
    Kudos to both efforts to protect safe access and try to add some clear regulations for the industry to build from.
     
    Jeff Jones
    Patient ID Center
    Oaksterdam University
     

     

 

 

 

 

 

 

    David Malmo-Levine <s..s@a2c2.us> Feb 27 12:33PM -0800  

    On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Bud <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
     
     
    "The point being: It's time to grow up. You need a license to drive a car,
    a permit to open a business, a tax ID number to process retail transactions
    at dispensaries. California is one of the most regulated places on the
    planet; to oppose mandatory registrations, tamper-proof ID cards,
    reasonable security precautions and other tools of the modern regulatory
    trade is quite damaging to the larger cause. I hope to live to see a day
    where none of those things will be required, but I know that day will never
    arrive without taking reasonable, necessary steps now to assure our friends
    in mainstream society and law enforcement that cannabis isn't as dangerous
    as currently advertised."
     
    I agree. It's time to grow up.
     
    It's time to grow up and defend pioneers like WAMM, which would be put out
    of business with such regulations.
     
    It's time to grow up and include some sort of guaranteed funding for the
    battle between the Feds and the State – as is included in RMLW, rather than
    just have everyone involved in the industry register – open themselves up
    to attacks from the Feds with no plan of defence – and hope for the best.
     
    It's time to grow up and create standards that any honest member of our
    community could meet in order to participate in the economy, rather than
    some sort of elite regulatory body that will inevitably become corrupt, and
    an economy that is even more vulnerable to monopoly than the current one.
     
    Grown-ups would address these concerns – children would keep dodging them.

     

    "Dr. David Bearman" <s..s@a2c2.us> Feb 27 05:24PM -0500  

    hi,
    As a former director of a county health department my experience is that local authorities will fight DC. it is a misdemeanor to release these mmj records without the patients permission. There would be one hell of a lawsuit. Also county health department directors are changed with maintaining the privacy of a wide variety of medical records and if they do not protect all the records that they are charged with maintaining the privacy of,it calls into question their willingness and ability to protect any information that they have been entrusted with. We need to be vigilant if we know of any breeches in local health departments not protecting patient privacy. My guess is we would have an ally in the Health oifficers Association of California.
    peace
    David Bearman,M.D.

     

    Mikki Norris <s..s@a2c2.us> Feb 27 12:44PM -0800  

    It's probably a good idea to back both efforts. If it doesn't make the
    ballot, at least there is hope with a legislative effort. A vote of the
    people will generally have more weight and assurance that it will be what
    the proponents want, whereas legislation can be changed (and possibly
    vetoed). But, if it doesn't have enough money to make the ballot and win,
    then legislation is a more affordable route.
     
    Mikki Norris
     
     
     

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Feb 27 09:25AM -0800  

    THx for weighing in Dan . Today colorado shut down or move. I agree
    the governor wont sign and thats diffcult to acknowlegde. But theres
    issues in mmtrc that would shut down collectives like WAMM. And its
    seating is unfair how doeas that move us forward?
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    El Camino Wellness Center <s..s@a2c2.us> Feb 27 10:33AM -0800  

    Thanks Dan for the clarification. And for all of your good work.
     
    On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur <
     

    Thank you,
     
     
    S. Kumar
    Executive Director
    El Camino Wellness Center
    www,elcaminowellnesscenter.com
    "A Community of Compassion"

     

    lynnette shaw <s..s@a2c2.us> Feb 27 10:43AM -0800  

    I must respectfully remind you that the governor does not have to sign the law for it to go into effect. He can passively allow it to become law without his signature. Also, after a certain percentage of Legislature approval ( 2/3rds or 3/4ths I forget which exactly right now ) it is veto-proof.
    – Lynnette ; )
     
     

     

    Jeff Jones <s..s@a2c2.us> Feb 27 11:13AM -0800  

    Lynnette
    I completely agree with you and Brown does have a some history of
    doing almost that when he decriminalized under one ounce of cannabis
    possession in the 1976 by signing the Moscone Act on the last night
    before it would have just become law anyways in 1975. So I understand
    what you are saying and also what Dale G. feels that this issue is
    different then the past vetoed Hemp bill of Oct 2011.
     
    As the confussing mess with respect to medical cannabis is already
    here and needs straighten out sooner then later. I just worry he will
    sign or allow a law to regulate us that is more imperfect then what is
    being discussed now. So we must keep our pressure on him, as AG Harris
    wants some type of action this year it seems.
     
    Jeff
     
    lynnette shaw wrote:

     

    David Malmo-Levine <s..s@a2c2.us> Feb 26 05:37PM -0800  

    Love the Reefer Madness Museum. The audio and comic book sections
    entertained me all day!
     
    When you have a spare second, please put the herbmuseum.ca website in your
    links page.
     
     
     

     

    Steve Elliott <s..s@a2c2.us> Feb 27 09:43AM -0800  

    Hi Andy,
     
    If you are able to make copies of Anslinger's voice, I'd love to have a copy emailed to me, if possible.
     
    Thank you!
     
    Steve Elliott, Editor
    Toke of the Town
     
     
    "I'm for mystery, not interpretive answers. … The answer is never the answer. What's really interesting is the mystery. If you seek the mystery instead of the answer, you'll always be seeking. I've never seen anybody really find the answer, but they think they have. So they stop thinking. But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom. The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer."
     
    ~ Ken Kesey
     
    On Feb 26, 2012, at 3:22 PM, andrew garret wrote:
     

     

    LANNYSWERDLOW <s..s@a2c2.us> Feb 26 05:50PM -0800  

    There is so much going on that the Monday, Feb. 27 broadcast of the award winning radio show Marijuana Compassion and Common Sense features three guests providing information on upcoming events you need to know about.
     
    Our first guest is famed marijuana media personality Sarah Diesel who will be providing information on the Great Smoke Out Music Fest taking place on Saturday, March 3 in San Bernardino's Orange Bowl. This cannabis friendly event is one of the biggest music fests in the Inland Empire with over 25,000 expected. The Smoke-Out comes complete with a smoking area for patients, an incredible all-star line-up of performers and even a sideshow Prohibition Panel moderated by me. Sarah tells all this Monday.
     
    Our second guest will be bringing us the low-down on a far more serious event – one that might very well include an appearance by Presidential candidate Ron Paul. The event is Freedom Rally 2012 scheduled for March 16-19 at the Crown Plaza Hotel in Irvine. Sponsored by Freedom Law School, the school's founder Peymon Muttahedeh will give us the run down on their all-star line-up as well information on the scheduled presentation by Ron Paul.
     
    Finally long, long time medical marijuana activist Richard Davis will be on the show with information on the newly opened Hemp and Cannabis Museum in Los Angeles. What the museum is all about and how it came into being is a fascinating story. It is certainly something you will want to tour the next time you visit the big city to the west.
     
    Listen in this Monday at 6 pm and every Monday at 6 pm as Marijuana Compassion and Common Sense informs and entertains you with news, events and gossip about all things marijuana in the IE and elsewhere.
     
    Hear it over the air on IE Talk Radio station KCAA 1050AM and on the Internet simulcast at kcaaradio.com where you can also see the chaos in the studio with Uncle Ronnie, Kali Smith and myself by clicking on KCAATV on kcaaradio.com website.
     
    You are also cordially invited to join us in the KCAA studios for our live broadcast this Monday at 6 pm and every Monday 6 pm on the second floor of San Bernardino's delightfully deserted Carousel Mall at the corner of 2nd and G St. in downtown San Bernardino.
     
    I would like to thank the sponsors of our show, GreenMile Hydro, Inland Empire Patients Health and Wellness Center, William Gunn Construction and Presto Quality Care, formerly THCF Medical Clinic. Their support makes the show possible so you support them too. If you would like to advertise on the show and reach out to our loyal audience, shoot me an email or give me a call at(phone#-removed).

     

    Thc <s..s@a2c2.us> Feb 26 06:11PM -0800  

    The statement about BBQ's, vegan population and apartments is fucking ignorant to even be repeated. I study apartment laws because I am a CRM. This law was created by the fire departments in California and New York because stupid RENTERS don't have a fucking clue about cleaning up coals…..
     
    When will you people start educating yourself before just saying whatever falls into your head. You stupid "sheeple" learn the laws…..
     
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