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October 8, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 14 Messages in 4 Topics

    Weed Activist <s..s@a2c2.us> Oct 07 06:49PM -0700  

    source: http://weedactivist.com/cbd-myth-or-miracle/
     
    CBD: Myth or Miracle? <http://weedactivist.com/cbd-myth-or-miracle/>
     
    October 7, 2012 *in I Like Weed<http://weedactivist.com/category/i-like-weed/>
    , Medical Cannabis <http://weedactivist.com/category/medical-cannabis/>,
    Messaging <http://weedactivist.com/category/messaging/>*
     
    <http://weedactivist.com/cbd-myth-or-miracle/cbd-1/>
     
    The real answer is NEITHER.
     
    The “high-CBD” craze is alive and kicking and it is worth examining the
    real value of CBDs, both as a medicine and as a marketing tool.
     
    CBD is a non-psychoactive cannabinoid in weed that is thought to help with
    certain afflictions, such as convulsion and inflammation. It is thought to
    interact with the CB2 receptors in the body vs. the brain. Here is how it
    is explained by the folks at Project CBD <http://projectcbd.org/>:
     
    Cannabidiol —CBD— is a compound in Cannabis that has medical effects but
    does not make people feel “stoned” and actually counters some of the
    effects of THC. After decades in which only high-THC Cannabis was
    available, CBD-rich strains are now being grown by and for medical users.
     
    The reduced psychoactivity of CBD-rich Cannabis may make it an appealing
    treatment option for patients seeking anti-inflammatory, anti-pain,
    anti-anxiety and/or anti-spasm effects without disconcerting euphoria or
    lethargy.
     
    So you can kind of see how it is being sold….”We smoke weed that doesn’t
    really get you high because we are real medical patients;” and therein lies
    the rub. Where is that line drawn between real medical relief and this
    movements desire to be accepted so much that we begin to breed low-thc
    strains just to prove we are legit? Is there really such a
    huge inflammation problem that we must focus so much time and energy on
    these “CBD-rich” strains?
     
    Maybe and maybe not. Our movement has a tendency to overplay our hand and
    exploit loose theory as hard fact; and will stop at nothing to capitalize
    off of any little phenomenon. I have seen more gimmicks become commonplace
    in this industry than I care to review, such as the overuse of the term
    “organic,” or the phase where every strain was “kush” something. Purple
    weed has come, gone, and come back again. The nomenclature seems to shift
    with the wind, as well. Here in Cali, we have gone from cannabis clubs, to
    dispensaries, to patient member closed-loop collectives and may find our
    way back to dispensary again before it is all over.
     
    The point is that I have watched our movement evolve over many years and
    have seen organizations overplay certain things to the point of
    irrelevance. Does CBD have some medical value? Sure it does. Is it the
    miracle substance that everyone is making it out to be? That is tricky.
     
    No one knows for sure how CBD works, either on its own or in conjunction
    with other cannabinoids. It is a great marketing tool for some, and also a
    great justification for our opposition. I mean, we must be legitimate
    medical providers if we are selling weed with low THC, right? Maybe. I am
    not sure if that argument has really gained any traction or changed any
    minds in the halls of justice.
     
    What I do know is that this CBD-rich culture is encouraging the breeding of
    low-THC strains in an effort to find the mysterious and elusive CBD. I know
    that to me, most CBD-rich medicine is hay and not enjoyable to me
    personally. Now I have plenty of medical issues. My rebuilt right knee has
    plenty of inflammation at the end of a long day, yet I still do not feel
    better after smoking CBD-rich meds over a high-THC strain. To each their
    own, and I am sure we are all different in our physical make-up; but the
    question is still valid…”Is there too much focus on high-CBDs?”
     
    I think there is. I think if we did some real soul searching we may agree
    that MOST people use cannabis for the euphoric properties. I think that
    most cannabis users enjoy the buzz they get from good weed. I have asked a
    bunch of activist the question, “If weed did not get you high would you
    smoke it?” 99.9% have said “No.” Furthermore, would you risk a decade in
    prison to grow weed that did not get you high? I guess if you are getting
    four racks a pound for it you might, but if it was just for you? Would you
    risk prison to grow weed that did not get you high?
     
    I will make a bet to anyone that 5-years from now, when weed is legal for
    adult enjoyable use. NOBODY will be talking about CBD-rich weed.
     
    Now I am not saying CBD has no value by any means. I just think. like most
    things in this industry, we make more of things than they actually are in
    an effort to gain position or income. One might even say the entire
    “medical cannabis” deal is being overplayed, and that real patients are
    suffering because they are being lumped in with the quasi-recreational
    culture that has taken over the medical industry, leaving many mainstream
    physicians unwilling to participate. But that may be a conversation for
    another day.
     
    As for me, I would strongly encourage you to not get up in this craze and
    to continue to grow weed with THC in it….Most of us still love THC.

     

 

 

    Weed Activist <s..s@a2c2.us> Oct 08 06:18PM -0700  

    Interesting concept. Thanks for the input. I will take that into
    consideration.
     
    Weed Acrivist

     

    Fred Gardner <s..s@a2c2.us> Oct 08 08:10PM -0700  

    If the "Weed Activist" is the Mick who says he respects my stuff, he should read it before knocking it. The Project CBD line has always been "Struggle Against CBD Opportunism."
     
    Fred G.
     
     
     
     
     
     
    On Oct 8, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Michael Backes wrote:
     

     

    "andrew garret" <s..s@a2c2.us> Oct 08 06:56PM -0700  

    WAS VICTOR LICATA GUILTY OF MURDER — The answer is NO
     
    DID YOU KNOW
     
    — That there was a serial Axe murderer operating in the Tampa area at the
    time?
     
    — That the Licata family was NOT the only Tampa family cut down by an Axe
    murderer?
     
    — That one of the other families slain by the serial Axe murderer was the
    Rowell Family –same last name as the author of — On the Trail of
    Marihuana, the Weed of Madness”?
     
    — That Victor Licata (to his dying day) DENIED that he had ever used
    Marihuana? And that there was never a scratch of evidence to even suggest
    that he ever had?
     
    — That much of the (alleged) evidence against Victor Licata was
    fabricated and so fake it wouldn’t have stood the light of day in a
    courtroom?
     
    COMING SOON — VICTOR LICATA – A RUSH TO JUDGEMENT: Hopefully in book
    form, but probably up on the Internet
     
    antique andy
     
    NOTE IF ANYONE LIVES IN OKLAHOMA PLEASE MAKE CONTACT, NOW forming a pro
    Cannabis voters league.
     
     
     
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    Weed Activist <s..s@a2c2.us> Oct 08 07:22AM -0700  

    Source: http://weedactivist.com/new-direction-for-norml/
     
    New direction for NORML? <http://weedactivist.com/new-direction-for-norml/>
     
    October 8, 2012 *in Messaging <http://weedactivist.com/category/messaging/>
    , Reform Groups <http://weedactivist.com/category/reform-groups/>, Weed
    Activism <http://weedactivist.com/category/weed-activism/>, Weed
    Freedom<http://weedactivist.com/category/weed-freedom/>
    *
    <http://weedactivist.com/new-direction-for-norml/st-pierre-1/>
     
    Wait…Are you guys serious?
     
    Celebstoner.com reported last
    night<http://www.celebstoner.com(phone#-removed)/news/celebstoner-news/norml-conference-followed-by-shake-up.html>
    that
    NORML Executive Director Allen St. Pierre was fired yesterday by the NORML
    Board of Directors. Here is an excerpt from the story:
     
    After making the final speech of the 41st-annual NORML
    Conference<http://www.celebstoner.com(phone#-removed)/news/marijuana-news/normls-kuhn-likes-colorado-ballot-best.html>
    in
    Los Angeles at the Omni Hotel on Saturday, during which he said, “I’ve hit
    a nadir with NORML,” executive director Allen St.
    Pierre<http://norml.org/about/item/allen-f-st-pierre?category_id=33>
    was
    fired by the Board of Directors, CelebStoner has learned.
     
    Though no announcement has been made, St. Pierre’s absence from the
    post-conference party at The Hemp Museum was conspicuous.
     
    St. Pierre has been battling with a contentious board for several years.
    The recent takeover of the board by Paul
    Kuhn<http://www.celebstoner.com(phone#-removed)/news/marijuana-news/normls-kuhn-likes-colorado-ballot-best.html>
    left
    St. Pierre more vulnerable.
     
    I am not sure if anyone saw this as a big surprise. When you are the leader
    of an organization that is consistently criticized for lack of leadership
    and vision there is a pretty big problem. Allen St. Pierre has led NORML to
    the brink of collapse and has had very little real accomplishments to show
    for his 7 years of work as the Executive Director. Of course the entire
    reason for NORML’s ineffectiveness is not completely Allen St. Pierre’s
    fault, but his leadership also has brought little to nothing to the table
    for them.
     
    The big question now is who will replace Allen, and even more, will they be
    capable of making NORML more dynamic, innovative, and effective? Is there a
    person out there who can lead the charge towards cannabis freedom without
    drama, hurt feelings, and dissension in the ranks?
     
    As NORML looks to replace Allen my hope would be that they do not just grab
    the first guy standing around the water cooler to fill that role. Cannabis
    activists, and NORML supporters deserve a real change. Not just in person,
    but also in philosophy, direction, and the way they understand the social
    and political environment that we are leading this battle in.
     
    The word on the street is that NORML is flat broke. Celebstoner states that
    they have “long run deficits,” as MPP and DPA have received most of the
    reform funding over the past years. So obviously just bringing on some
    high-priced empty suit to fill the role is not the answer. It seems that
    NORML will have to figure out how to run a more lean and powerful team if
    they want to compete. They will have to begin to put their resources into
    more strategic planning and implementation of reform campaigns, rather than
    over-payed leadership that is little more than a showpiece for the
    organization.
     
    But maybe we have come to a fork in the road. Maybe the folks at NORML, and
    MPP, and DPA, and LEAP, and SSDP, and all of the other organizations
    fighting for the same reform dollars need to look deeply at their
    organizations and ask themselves if we can continue to afford to split up
    the resources to pull in so many directions when we are fighting for the
    same thing? I think the community is tired of having so many different
    groups sending fundraising emails, throwing fundraising events, asking for
    donations and using those resources for vastly different, and mostly
    lackluster, efforts to end the drug war and to promote cannabis freedom.
     
    NORML could consider merging with another reform group to combine forces
    and create a more powerful organization; or better yet, could we merge all
    of the organizations into a cannabis super power, like the NRA or
    something? Maybe, but doubtful.
     
    My guess is that the NORML Board will appoint one of its own and continue
    down the path of ineffectiveness. There is very little fire in the belly of
    the folks at NORML these days, so it would not surprise me to see them opt
    for the status quo. I would hope not, but 40 years of history tell us
    differently. Maybe they can hire Keith Stroup back! Oh wait…he never went
    anywhere did he?
     
    My opinion, as a lowly weed activist, is that I would like to see a real
    change in direction and the way NORML does business. I would like to see
    less focus on patting themselves on the back, and more interest in
    attacking our enemies’ position with agressive tactics and messaging.
    Sitting back throwing a conference in a different weed city every year and
    “answering the phones” is not progress. It has become more of a pageant
    than a march for cannabis freedom.
     
    I am not sure who would be the greatest person to fill the role of NORML
    Executive Director. Only time will tell. I just hope it is someone that I
    can find inspirational, and whose conviction and dedication may actually
    lead us to ending cannabis prohibition. I do not think that is too much to
    ask.

     

    Weed Activist <s..s@a2c2.us> Oct 08 09:03AM -0700  

    UPDATE from NORML Deputy Director Paul Armentano:
     
    This report is not true. Allen St. Pierre remains NORML's Executive
    Director. There have been no changes made regarding the NORML leadership.
    Only a vote by the Board could institute such changes and no such vote has
    taken place. It is unfortunate that Steve's speculation is causing major
    confusion among those who follow this issue and NORML.
     
    Paul Armentano
    NORML Deputy Director
     
     
     
    *Apparently Steve Bloom from Celebstoner.com got his cart out in front of
    his horse on this one….again. But there has also been no denying that St.
    Pierre will be fired at the next Board Meeting. In two statements from
    NORML Board members there has been NO word that NORML does indeed intend to
    go forward with St. Pierre as ED.*
     

     

    Norm Kent <s..s@a2c2.us> Oct 08 01:26PM -0400  

    Dear friends,
     
    Having seen the posts this morning concerning Allen St. Pierre, the Executive Director of NORML, I am writing in my capacity as the Vice Chair of NORML.
     
    Please post this for the sake of accuracy. Sometimes a lie can get half way around the world before the truth catches up with it.
     
    The purpose of this communication is to verify and affirm responses posted to each of you by Paul Armentano, our Deputy Director, and Keith Saunders, one of our Board members.
     
    Very simply, as of this date, Allen St. Pierre has not been terminated as the Executive Director of NORML. At this time, there is no guarantee that this will ever happen and the publication is premature and inaccurate.
     
    Since this matter has gone public, I believe the public is owed an explanation as to what is transpiring.
     
    First, in-between its board meetings, the Executive Committee of NORML has the full authority to act for the Board.
     
    Second, at the conclusion of this year's successful NORML conference in LA, members of the Executive Committee met with Mr. St. Pierre and advised him that at our next Board meeting in Key West on November 28, 2012 the following motion will be presented to the Board:
     
    "Shall the Board of Directors approve appointing a search committee for a new executive director?"
     
    Third, the Chair, Paul Kuhn, asked Mr. St. Pierre if he was in accord with this motion, and Mr. St. Pierre summarily and demonstratively rejected the proposal, saying he had no intention of resigning from NORML, and that he had never published comments to Mr. Kuhn or others offering to do so.
     
    Fourth, in fact, Mr. St. Pierre, who himself is a member of the Board of Directors, suggested that Paul Kuhn should resign from his position as Chair, and he would ask the Board for such a vote.
     
    Therefore, as it stands now, to be as fair and honest as possible to everyone, there will be at least two countervailing motions on the table for the Board of Directors at its next meeting, one asking for a search committee to seek out a new ED, and one asking to remove the Chair, and maybe even members of the Executive Committee.
     
    It is not my goal to wash our dirty linens in public, but it is also not my desire to see false information disseminated with the damaging residual consequences that brings forth. So I publish these comments to bring people up to date on actually what has happened and what may happen.
     
    So there we have it.
     
    Thank you.
     
    Norm Kent,
    Vice Chair,
    NORML

     

 

 

    Weed Activist <s..s@a2c2.us> Oct 08 11:16AM -0700  

    Thank you for that clarification.
     

     

 

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Oct 08 12:47AM -0700  

    Michelle, my good lord, what day was this? Our members have witnessed so
    much in the last Two weeks, it is not fair that our little family nxt door
    to SPARC now feel frighteend, we've held bingo for elders for yrs and
    never felt like we needed to worry, and something is going on, next door
    that's got Erich secret service agents on edge, but that's Erich business
    but he has made it my business by not even caring to respond to me, his
    direct.neighbors inquiry or concern? How could this happen, to you? We all
    know me and Erich aren't bossom buddy s, far from it, however he has sheild
    himself with you and Mikes historic connects to our city, how could he let
    this go? I'm sorry this happend and while you and I may have issues, I care
    about you and you shouldn't be treated like this nor should any Patient,
    his guards are professional trained, some I think prior sfpd, what's going
    on that a guard would follow a Patient or touch their person. Erich
    whatever is going on? you need to chill the Fuck out and show some respect,
    now! Patients aren't going to put up with this ….Mr.cannbe this? Cannot
    be. And Patient advocate s if you don't know what cannbe was/is read david
    downs article, and cannabusiness folks if you don't know, wow, you shoud,
    restrictive permitting, monopoly building empire , just a start…but don't
    take my word do your own research.
    On Oct 7, 2012 10:22 AM, "Michelle Aldrich" <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:

     

August 15, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 12 Messages in 10 Topics

    Chris Kenoyer/OLP <s..s@a2c2.us> Aug 14 10:48AM -0700  

    Made the Bangor News Paper & Others
     
    http://bangordailynews.com/2012/08/13/news/state/patients-caregivers-new-rules-unreasonable-for-growing-medical-marijuana/
     
    http://www.kjonline.com/news/Medical-marijuana-proposals-criticized-as-burdensome-self-defeating.html
     
    And After Litterly Driving Becky DeKeuster, Owner Of Four Wellness Connection Legal Maine Dispensary's
     From The State House Meeting Room! She Fled The Room When I Started "Quoting Her Real Grow Costs!" From Her Own DHHS Dispenary Application For a Dispensary Permit! 🙂 LOL
     When I Got It Put Publicly In The state records about her grow cost of only 18.75 per OZ  that she sells to sick Maine patients at $340 To $400 per OZ
     
    She was there when I started my 3 min time allotted Speach! & Was NO WHERE to Be Found By The Time I Finished My 3 Min Speach On "Low Income Sick Maine Medical Marijauna Patients"
    My Friend That Was Sitting Next To Me Said She "Slinked Out Of The Door Real Fast!"
     
    Its always a "Very Good Day For All Maine Patients" When The Public Truth Sends Becky Dekeuster Running For Cover!
     
    & My News Contacts at MPBS Broadcasting Roasted Becky DeKauster Big Time!
    http://www.mpbn.net/Home/tabid/36/ctl/ViewItem/mid/3478/ItemId/23253/Default.aspx
     
    Safe To Say She Is "Probably" The Most Hated Women In Maine Right Now!
     
    Time To Go Back To California Becky! & Leave Maine For Us "Real Live Mainer's"
     
    But yesterday was way over "My Physical Limitations" from My Degenative Spinal Injury
     
    http://www.onlinepot.org/misc/mybio.htm
    My Personal Medical
    Bio 
     
    My Pain Level Today is a 9+ on the 1 to 10 pain scale
     
    Looks Like I will be laying in my bed the next few days while I recovery!
     
    But I knew I would have this outcome when I went there! 🙂
     
    Peace & Love To All The Sick Maine Patients!
     
    Stay Well & Stay Safe Everyone
    Sincerely
    Chris Kenoyer
    A Proud Cannabis Warrior!
    (phone#-removed)
     
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    "andrew garret" <s..s@a2c2.us> Aug 15 08:05PM -0700  

    In case you’ve missed it, buried in an article entitled, “Some federal
    pensions pay handsome rewards.” Is the fact that the many DEA agents are
    getting 6 figure retirement pensions at — you know whose expense.
    According to the article
     
    “Retired law enforcement is the most common profession receiving
    $100,000-plus pensions, including 326 Drug Enforcement Administration
    agents” By contras, the article goes on to say that there are only 186
    FBI agents getting 6 figure pensions etc.
     
    http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/57059716
     
     
     
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    Starchild <s..s@a2c2.us> Aug 15 07:10PM -0700  

    Congressman Ryan was voted "Biggest Brown-Noser" by his high school graduating class? That's a hoot. Maybe it's how he got the VP nomination? Another more substantive and devastating point against Ryan is that contrary to the rhetoric of Romney and other Republicans who tout his budget plan, that plan does *not* "slash" government spending (as both conservatives and liberals have alleged), nor does it cut taxes, but actually *increases* both:
     
     
    > 2) Increases Federal Government Tax Collections from $2.444 Trillion to
    > $4.601 Trillion.
     
    > A $2.157 Federal Tax Collection Increase. An 88% Tax Collection Increase.
     
    (Quoted material above from Michael Cloud, one of my colleagues on the Libertarian National Committee.)
     
    I did not realize (or perhaps had just forgotten) that Joe Biden was responsible for the "Drug Czar" position being created, or that he has been such a big booster of the Drug War generally. That's important to know, and another sign of how Obama cannot be trusted to do the right thing when it comes to marijuana or drug policy, and will likely be no better in a second term if he is reelected. There have been calls for him to dump Biden as his running mate, but he shows no signs of doing so.
     
    I don't think any presidential candidate would deliberately pick a running mate who he planned to dump after his first term, and it's inconceivable that Obama did not know about Biden's anti-drug-freedom history when he picked him for vice president. All of which is yet more evidence that Obama has been a drug warrior at least since he started running for president if not much earlier, and has never had any plans to improve his policies if he gets a second term.
     
    Love & Liberty,
    ((( starchild )))
     
     
     
     
     
    On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:57 AM, David Goldman wrote:
     

     

    Angela Bacca <s..s@a2c2.us> Aug 15 06:54AM -0700  

    Where do you live? I am driving up there this weekend. Any chance I can
    interview you? Or at least over the phone?
     
    Thanks,
     
    Angela
     

     

 

    "Patient Advocacy Network" <s..s@a2c2.us> Aug 15 01:09PM -0700  

    Los Angeles – A Brief Medical Marijuana History (of Failure)
     
    http://panorg.blogspot.com/2012/08/los-angeles-brief-medical-marijuana.html
     
     
    The recent passage of the ban on Medical Marijuana Dispensaries by the Los
    Angeles City Council has left many puzzled given the Council’s history
    with this issue, the 762 current tax-paying collectives and recent court
    decisions stating collective bans are unlawful. However, do not turn to
    logic or reason for your answer; you will drive yourself mad. Instead,
    think politics.
     
    In 2007, the LA City Council voted on what many refer to as the ‘illegal
    moratorium’ – illegal because the City Council failed to vote to extend
    this Interim Control Ordinance by day 45, the legal limit. Instead the
    Council did not review this ordinance until 90 days after its passage, at
    which time the ICO had legally expired. By State law LA’s moratorium was
    done before the ICO’s registration deadline.
     
    While at least 485 collectives were operating in the City on November 13,
    2007, only 187 chose to register by the ICO deadline. Many did not
    register as they were advised by their legal counsel not to because of the
    ‘illegal moratorium’ or advised to ‘not get on a list’ because a
    cross-deputized LAPD officer stated openly he would ‘bust everyone’s ass’
    for admitting to running a collective or because of the DEA landlord
    threat letter. Attorneys told their clients that if the City took any
    action against them, the collectives could sue.
     
    One-way in which collectives tried to remedy their situation was to file a
    Hardship Exemption. Under any ICO there is a hardship clause. This
    allows businesses that cannot comply with a moratorium to have a fair
    public hearing to consider the reason(s) for non-compliance. While not
    official court hearings, Kangaroo Court does not begin to express how the
    hardship hearings were handled. The City refused to hear that its
    moratorium was legally over. The City refused to acknowledge that
    property owners in the City were under attack by the U.S. Department of
    Justice and Drug Enforcement Administration. The City would not hear that
    rogue LAPD officers threatened to target collectives that registered with
    the City. It was at this point where any and all good faith attempts by
    collectives to be reasonable, dutiful players turned to hiring attorneys
    and preparing for the City to make its next move.
     
    During this time at least another 300 dispensaries opened their doors in
    LA. Neighborhood groups and community leaders began to inquire with their
    council members as to why collectives continued to open despite the
    moratorium, why were so many collectives requesting a hardship and when
    will there is be a final regulatory ordinance?
     
    Enter the LA City Attorney’s office. In 2006, when Councilmember Dennis
    P. Zine first motioned for a moratorium, Patient Advocacy Network sat down
    with him to discuss the need to seat a working group to draft regulations
    expeditiously. He was reminded that the maximum time with extensions, 18
    months and the 45 days, was all the time the City had by law to get an
    ordinance approved and on the books; failure to do so would create legal
    chaos. The Los Angeles Medical Marijuana Working Group was seated and met
    several times during 2007, to draft a workable ordinance. Much of the
    work was done before the moratorium took effect. The Group’s final
    meeting was cancelled by notice from the City Attorney indicating that the
    Group’s input was no longer needed and the City Attorney would complete
    the City’s medical marijuana ordinance.
     
    Nearly a year passed and the City Attorney had still not presented a draft
    ordinance for Council’s approval despite numerous requests from the
    Council. Councilmember Ed Reyes reconvened the Working Group very
    briefing and began drafting a new ordinance due to the lack of
    communication from the City Attorney. Councilmember Zine had to actually
    get a motion passed to force the City Attorney’s office to present its
    draft ordinance. What finally came to light was an unworkable, legally
    questionable ordinance unlike any set of regulations in California. Sales
    were not allowed but sales tax had to be paid. All patients had to
    participate in cultivation regardless of how ill, disabled or low-income
    they may be as the City Attorney believes cultivating is the only medical
    cannabis activity allowed by State law.
     
    Despite no legal evidence to support the City Attorney’s claims, the LA
    City Council, after adding further restrictions, approved what the media
    referred to as the ‘Worst Medical Marijuana Ordinance In The Country.”
    Upon its passage in January 2010, the first lawsuits by patient
    collectives were filed against the City. By December of 2010, the judge
    ruled that provisions of the City’s ordinance were unlawful and granted
    dozens of collectives a Temporary Restraining Order against the City of
    Los Angeles. The City immediately made amendments to the ordinance to
    argue that the original ordinance was no longer in place but further
    lawsuits were filed and a few hundred more collectives opened their doors
    in Los Angeles.
     
    During these years patient advocates continued to offer solutions, present
    workable draft ordinances, facts, evidence and experts. Patients and
    their advocates have attended countless hearings and meetings with the
    City on this issue. Hundreds of patients have testified on public record
    what the City’s failed ordinances have done to their health and lives.
     
    Then came the Battle of the Bans. Angry, frustrated and concerned
    Angelenos still had the same set of questions they did in 2007: Why do
    dispensaries continue to open; Why is there no workable set of guidelines
    for regulating them like in West Hollywood, Palm Springs, San Francisco;
    Why can the City do nothing about shutting down bad players? Instead of
    answering the questions they heard, the Council answered the questions
    they wanted to hear and ultimately blamed physicians, patients and State
    law for LA’s problems.
     
    LA Councilmembers José Huizar and Paul Koretz proposed banning
    dispensaries outright in two competing motions. Huizar’s proposal is to
    ban all dispensaries but allow 3 or fewer patients to grow therapeutic
    grade cannabis together and to distribute the harvest among them – “The
    Gentle Ban” – gentle because sick and dying people get to become
    horticultural experts in their final days and weeks while they wait 4 – 6
    months for a harvest. Koretz’s motion is a ban on all dispensaries except
    100 handpicked dispensaries that would remain operational – “The Limited
    Immunity Ban” – immunity limited to those who made contributions to Mr.
    Koretz’s election campaign.
     
    The LA City Council does not like to appear in conflict publicly and on
    July 24, 2012, worked out a way in closed session to approve both bans.
    The Gentle Ban was approved and adopted outright, signed by the Mayor and
    goes into effect September 6, 2012. The Limited Immunity Ban was amended
    to include only the collectives that made it on the ICO list of 2007, and
    that proposal now heads back to commissions, committees and the Council
    for final approval.
     
    Now back to thinking politics. When those concerned citizens ask their
    council members about the medical cannabis issue, the Council can say they
    voted on the ban, for them. The City Attorney wrote The Gentle Ban and
    argued hard for it for many months as the “only way to the stop the
    lawsuits and close the dispensaries.” Undermining our State’s medical
    marijuana laws and Councilmember Zine’s original motion to regulate
    storefront dispensaries has been the centerpiece of LA City Attorney
    Carmen Trutanich’s term in office. After recently losing his bid for LA
    County District Attorney most local political experts argue Trutanich will
    also lose his bid to get re-elected as LA’s City Attorney. When the ban
    doesn’t work, is challenged in court, very few close and more collectives
    open, the Council can throw the ‘Nuch’ under the bus. He wrote it, it was
    his idea and he said it would work.
     
    Due to the failed moratorium and recent court decisions favoring
    collectives, any move by the City or the voters to block LA’s collectives
    from having a fair public hearing for consideration of a medical marijuana
    permit will perpetuate lawsuits. Once the moratorium expired with no
    workable ordinance in place, the City gave every collective in LA vested
    rights. This is not the fault of physicians or patients or Proposition
    215. This is the failure of the Los Angeles City Council. Failure to put
    fair, workable regulations in place for medical cannabis collectives and
    to allow a fair process will cost Los Angeles taxpayer another few million
    dollars and possibly a few more political careers.
     
    Posted by Degé Coutee
     
     
     
    ********
     
    Degé Coutee
    Executive & Program Director
    Patient Advocacy Network
     
    @PAN4Compassion
    www.CannabisSavesLives.org
    (323) 334-5282
     
    PAN is a charitable 501(c)(3) organization

     

    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Aug 15 09:18AM -0700  

    Where do we draw the line?
    Posted by Mickey Martin on August 15th, 2012
    Russ Belville probably knows people who like kiddy-porn, and it is unclear what his involvement in this kiddy-porn scandal really is….
    Okay….That is probably not true. Or maybe it is. Who knows? But I can reference it and speculate here on my personal blog because the internet is a wonderful place. In turn, unsuspecting and gullible people on the internet could read my piece, and many may start to spread this dirty rumor around. The next thing you know, Russ is knee-deep in some kiddy-porn scandal that he has nothing to do with, and which is weakly evidenced as ever even existing. But the damage is done, right?
    Which brings me to my point. In Washington State and beyond, there is a very volatile fight happening regarding the legalization half-measure being put forth there, I-502.
    To keep it short, Marc and Jodie Emery support the effort. Marc Emery has penned several articles, published on Cannabis Culture and elsewhere, that call those who oppose I-502 ”foolish” “ignorant” and “dangerous,” amongst other things.
    That is fine. That is Marc’s opinion and he has a right to that opinion. But other folks also have a right to publicly refute the Emery’s position. So a spirited, and often off-color, debate has been happening. In response to Marc and Jodie’s very public commentary and inflammatory remarks, which Marc admits “provoked a reaction, not unexpectedly,” Toke of the Town editor and Washington State resident, Steve Elliott, decided to write a rebuttal to the Emerys. In doing so, he also made some tough remarks about the Emerys. calling Jodie a “trophy wife” and suggesting they had “sold out to law enforcement.”
    So stay with me…Marc made some remarks that Jodie backed up that disparaged those that oppose I-502. Steve Elliott responded with some other disparaging remarks that many believe crossed a line…so enter Russ Belville.
    Russ decides to come to the rescue be releasing a piece called, “Anti I-502 blogger resorts to misogynist attacks to oppose legalization.” Super….The title alone is crazy enough. But in the first paragraph of the story, Russ attempts to tie Steve to a Village Voice lawsuit from years ago in which a child sex trafficker used the “Backpage” section of the Village Voice to prostitute and under-age girl. The girl sued the Village Voice, only to have a Federal judge toss the suit out of court. The judge ruled, that just like we do not hold cities responsible because there is a street where people prostitue young girls so because the city has a street they are directly responsible for the crime somehow, Village Voice cannot be held responsible for every bad person who uses their services (or virtual street) for nefarious purposes. The pimp in the case was given 5-years in prison, which is the appropriate crime. The lawsuit against the Village Voice
    was an effort, IMO, to seek monetary gain from a horrible act. The Village Voice has won 3 Pulitzer prizes and has been one of the leading voices on gay rights and HIV/AIDS in this Country for decades.
    Here is how Russ opened his story on Steve:
    There is a certain popular marijuana website funded by a company that rakes in money facilitating online sex trafficking of minors – I won’t link to it, because pimping little girls is no joke in my town – whose author won’t stop falsely demonizing Washington’s legalization measure, I-502.
     
    “Because pimping little girls is no joke in my town..” For reals? This is how you are going to start a piece aimed at showing the comments made by Steve against Jodie were out of line and “misogynistic?” By attempting to immediately tie him to a child sex trafficking case that was thrown out of court because of false legal grounds that was filed against the company that syndicates his column, and is one of the storied news pioneers of our time, and who owns dozens of the most popular weekly rags in the country, including SF Weekly, LA Weekly, and Seattle Weekly? Huh?
    So you are accusing Steve, and everyone who works at these organizations, and everyone (including MOST cannabis collectives) who advertise with them, and how about all of the people who make money off of the people who make money advertising with them?…Oh wait….that would include you, Russ.
    I think you can see where I am heading…
    Where does the slippery slope of misplaced agression begin and end? How ugly will this debate get, as the election approaches. From a person who did all of this in 2010, and spent innumerable hours carefully crafting rebuttals and logical assumptions about my opposition, I can tell you it will probably get much worse….unfortunately.
    So where do we draw the line? Is it possible to be civil and have a debate without making snide remarks, or attempting to make people out to be a child sex trafficker? I think it is.
    I would hope people draw the line somewhere in the neighborhood of “your position sucks because…” vs. “you suck and are a trophy wide or sex trafficker because…” I think you can still make the same points without the personal and fallacious remarks. I think there is enough actual issues and problems with people’s debate positions to fuel a powerful discussion.
    With Hempfest approaching this weekend, there is sure to be some excitement and lively discussion surrounding this issue. Some may speak for. Others will speak against. People will be booed and cheered. We are all adults with the right to respect ourselves. I would hope that people could at least be civil in public and respect one another’s rights to exist. It takes a lot of people to make a world.
    But in your debate, do us all a favor…draw the line. Let’s not make connections that are not there to try and belittle the person whose position you disagree with based on issues not related to cannabis, or this movement, or the person being debated, in any way whatsoever. There is plenty of dumb shit you can say that IS related, so try starting there if you feel moved. Civility is not easy, but sometimes we have to be the bigger asshole…..
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..s@a2c2.us
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/micKEYmarTIN
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***

     

    s..s@a2c2.us Aug 14 08:07PM -0400  

     

    GOCCA <s..s@a2c2.us> Aug 14 03:29PM -0700  

    Hello OC Collectives and Patients,
     
     
    The next Greater Orange County Collective Alliance meeting of 2012 will be
    next Wednesday, August 22 at 8 PM.
     
     
    *Meeting Location: *Marriott Suites
     
    Harbor Room
     
    12015 Harbor Blvd.
    Garden Grove, 92840
     
     
    *Meeting Coordinator: *Dee(phone#-removed)
     
     
     
    Please join us in protecting and educating our patients and community about
    medical cannabis!
     
     
     

    *Representative*
    Greater Orange County Collectives Alliance (GOCCA)
    2166 W. Broadway, #100
    Anaheim, CA 92804
    (phone#-removed)
    http://www.gocca.org
    http://www.facebook.com/gocca.org
    http://twitter.com/_gocca <http://twitter.com/#!/_gocca>

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Aug 14 12:01PM -0700  

    Inresting. Retired ncal us attny spoke in interveiws this year abt amount
    of $ spent on ads factord into concerns .
    On Aug 14, 2012 3:27 AM, "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <

     

 

August 13, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 10 Messages in 4 Topics

    Bud <s..s@a2c2.us> Aug 13 12:05PM -0700  

    So now it's a plot when people try to keep at least some dispensaries open
    in L.A.? This all-or-nothing mindset is quite damaging to the MMJ movement,
    because it implies that anything less than the current free-for-all of
    non-regulation is unacceptable.
     
    Whether grandfathering in older permits in L.A. is a good idea or not is
    way beyond the point. The point is that no type of regulation seems to pass
    muster with certain folks, who seem content to cling to the mast of a
    rapidly sinking ship. If and when we can get our heads around the notion
    that not only cannabis be regulated, but that it MUST be regulated to
    advance the movement and fend off federal intervention, we can start having
    a rational debate.
     
    The no-taxes, no-regulations and no-limits argument is bankrupt, since
    that's exactly the scenario that led to the greedy Green Rush and the
    predictable backlash against it. The most dangerous special-interest group
    we face today is not ASA, UFCW or any of the regional collective
    organizations. It's the cannabis anarchy movement, full of talk but little
    else.
     
    On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur <

     

    David Malmo-Levine <s..s@a2c2.us> Aug 13 03:31PM -0700  

    "greed" does not stem from those who wish to operate in a free market but
    rather from those who would set up models of exclusivity. The choice is not
    between monopoly and zero regulation. The wine model offers regulation
    without monopoly.
     
    On 2012-08-13 3:26 PM, "Bud" <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
     
    So now it's a plot when people try to keep at least some dispensaries open
    in L.A.? This all-or-nothing mindset is quite damaging to the MMJ movement,
    because it implies that anything less than the current free-for-all of
    non-regulation is unacceptable.
     
    Whether grandfathering in older permits in L.A. is a good idea or not is
    way beyond the point. The point is that no type of regulation seems to pass
    muster with certain folks, who seem content to cling to the mast of a
    rapidly sinking ship. If and when we can get our heads around the notion
    that not only cannabis be regulated, but that it MUST be regulated to
    advance the movement and fend off federal intervention, we can start having
    a rational debate.
     
    The no-taxes, no-regulations and no-limits argument is bankrupt, since
    that's exactly the scenario that led to the greedy Green Rush and the
    predictable backlash against it. The most dangerous special-interest group
    we face today is not ASA, UFCW or any of the regional collective
    organizations. It's the cannabis anarchy movement, full of talk but little
    else.
     
     
     
    On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur <
    s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Aug 13 03:55PM -0700  

    Bud? Not stating that no regs and no taxes by stating no bans and no caps.
    I think we definitely have a huge ethical issue with restrictive permitting
    that benefits special interest. What lead to crackdown has been clearly
    revealed by the us attny themselves. It was the Oakland plans to have
    stadium size grows and the obvious cloaking of huge enterprise as medical
    non profit. It wasn't the small business community nor the mid to small
    cultvation projects . I don't by any strectch support no rules , I support
    and even and fair set of guidelines that protects everyones collective and
    rewards compliance for all and makes that compliance affordable as well as
    our medicine.
    On Aug 13, 2012 3:26 PM, "Bud" <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:

     

 

 

    Angela Bacca <s..s@a2c2.us> Aug 12 10:15PM -0700  

    Mike, approx where do you live? I'm gonna drive up there Friday through the
    weekend.
     
    Also, thanks shona 🙂
     
    The article is for skunk magazines humboldt issue. I would love to talk to
    lots of ppl!

     

 

    Andrew Merkel <s..s@a2c2.us> Aug 13 08:21AM -0700  

    They have been flying out of Chico airport for several years. I believe that they are conducting military exercises. The military would not attack the American people, even if you grow medicine. I have talked to family members in the military. They are in awe on what our police force is trying to achieve, and they fly classified missions in the middle east.
     
    Good luck,
     
    AM
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

 

August 12, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 6 Messages in 4 Topics

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Aug 12 09:51PM -0700  

    No Caps & no bans. For such well educated business men?they sure seem
    scared of capitalism. The patient/ consumer should regulate the marketplace
    , If a collective isn't needed in the local area ? It will go out of
    business . If its poorly run? Like any other business the comunity itself
    will raise the concern via proper channels ready-made. It seems like
    protective/special interest group lobbying to me for paying clients and
    not to mention a good way to create a war with the other 75% of LA. But
    cannabis freedom and true unity aren't top priorities , appearantly
    .Thanks to Mickey and Donna for caring about our movement and questioning
    this short sighted and selfish plot.
    On Aug 12, 2012 2:14 PM, "Donna Lambert" <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:

     

 

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Aug 12 09:13PM -0700  

    Pls let Angela know.she is a great warrior.

     

    LANNYSWERDLOW <s..s@a2c2.us> Aug 12 03:36PM -0700  

    The Monday, August 13 broadcast and simulcast of Marijuana Compassion and Common Sense features Michael Kravitz director of Veterans for Medical Marijuana Access. It was through Michael’s efforts that the VA has allowed veterans to use mmj and not get kicked out of the VA programs medical programs. He is also a party to the lawsuit filed by ASA to reschedule marijuana.
     
    Our second guest is JoAnn Villareal from the small dusty agricultural town of El Centro in Imperial County. JoAnn was being threatened with imprisonment when she was arrested at the collective she operated in downtown El Centro. JoAnn was part of a local MAPP group that actually succeeded in getting El Centro to pass a medical marijuana ordinance allowing two collectives to operate.
     
    The broadcast and simulcast of the award winning radio show can be heard this Monday, August 13 at 6 p.m. and every Monday at 6 p.m. on IE Talk Radio station KCAA 1050AM and simulcast at kcaaradio.com.
     
    Marijuana Compassion and Common Sense is brought to you each week by our sponsors Linda Salas Realtor, Attorney Allen Bartleman, Green Mile Hydroponics, Glacier Pure Water, the Inland Empire Patients Health and Wellness Center, William Gunn Construction and Presto Quality Care (formerly THCF Medical Clinic).

     

    Donna Lambert <s..s@a2c2.us> Aug 12 09:29AM -0700  

    The answer you seek is not complicated.  Duncan opened his LAPCG in 2007.  He also opened several other stores that belong to other people but contribute to him. 
    This is the only line Duncan can find to keep LAPCG open and keeping "competition" out.
    I have repeatedly put forth evidence that one the largest problems within this movement is that it is being run by a group that has a financial interests in a restrictivep permitting pot monopoly.
    Monopolies never benefit the consumer as limtited competition brings higher prices.
    In addition, prop 215 was brilliant in it's writing that it put the the nearly unlimited power to cultivate cannabis in the hands of the people.  Duncan and friends have done what any corporation would do and that is capitalize off that.
    Their problem is that they have convinced cannabis warriors and freedom fighters alike that they are "one of them".
    They are not.
    In addition, Dan Rush – UFCW – ASA's new buddy – sent an email to this very group declaring "preserving prop 215 ridiculous".  There you have it.
    This is the problem that needs to be fixed.
    If we truly wanted freedom we as a movement would be pushing cannabis plants in everybody's backyard and a demand to end the arrests for this and collective cultivation efforts.
    Where is that on ASA's agenda?  Laughed at.  Literally.
    The end of prohibition, ie the acceptance of the cannabis plant as a common backyard herb would mean that the large profits by tightly regulating and keeping out competition would not be there.
    When all of you are done letting Cannbe corporation run your movement let me know.  I will then come back in to help.
     
    Sincerely,
    Donna Lambert
     
    Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:17 AM
     
     
    STOP THE BAN IN LA! (on the 187 dispensaries that were registered by the City through an illegal ICO process a half a decade ago, most of which are not under the same name, management, or at the same location, or maybe even open at all)
    Posted by Mickey Martin on August 11th, 2012
    I will never figure out the strategy of this godforsaken movement. In the latest of what I can only deem “terribly poor strategic planning,” a group calling itself the “Committee to Protect Patients and Neighborhoods” has launched a “STOP THE BAN IN LA” campaign that “affords limited immunity to cannabis dispensaries that registered with the city before it enacted an Interim Control Ordinance designed to limit dispensary proliferation in September 2007.” Seriously? No shit? This is where we are going to draw our strategic battle line? On the number of dispensaries illegally registered by the City of LA in a process that has become the laughing stock of the Nation where medical cannabis is concerned?
    Here is a quick refresher….to make a long and incredibly stupid story short, in 2007 LA passed an “Interin Control Ordinance” in an effort to stop the proliferation of medical cannabis clubs there. But they never acted on the ICO and actually put forth a regulatory ordinance. The ICO had a hardship clause that allowed for dispensaries to still register, due to the DEA sending out landlord letters at the time. Their poor crafting of the language allowed over 500 more dispensaries to register. Again, caught lunching, the City of LA was taken aback by the overwhelming proliferation of dispensaries and cried foul. They cried foul all over the press and media, and this situation is the very situation that has been used to beat California over the head with as an “out of control” situation. It is always a reference to the situation in LA that keeps other states from passing medical cannabis laws. There are always media reports of the “chaos in
    California” where medical cannabis is concerned. Lawsuits deemed the ICO and the entire process invalid. Then the lazy City Council cut and pasted Long Beach’s ordinance and tried to adopt it, which was also fought in the courts. Time after time, LA City Officials have had the opportunity to do the right thing, and have chosen not to.
    The result has been absolute chaos and confusion that has left a bad taste in everyone’s mouth. The LA Interim Control Ordinance is the one point we can look back on in the evolution of medical cannabis in California that has done the MOST DAMAGE to our reputation as a movement, and our standing in the community.  It is literally the black eye of the medical cannabis movement in California. It is our biggest failure.
     
    Which is why I have NO IDEA why this group, spearheaded by UFCW, ASA, and GLACA, would think that going back to the 187 arbitrarily chosen groups who are no longer even those groups for the most part, would be a good idea. Why ever would we reward the City Council by basically saying “You know. The LA City COuncil was right with their ICO.” Ummmm…no the fick they were not, and it is stupid for us to use this arbitrary line in the sand as the benchmark for our efforts. Limited immunity for the 187 folks who were illegally registered, never properly regulated, and who most have either sold their permit and moved on, or shut their doors completely. Whose interests does this serve?
    There are far better dispensaries open now than there were in 2007. Many of LA’s best collective groups are not on that list, and would be shunned if this effort were successful. But to take it a step further…this effort to pass a referendum, or even an effort to pass an initiative in LA, will require funding. So…do the math. There are roughly 700 dispensaries in LA right now. This effort attempts to save only 187 (roughly 25%), and it is questionable if there are even anywhere near 187 of the original groups left. But from a strategic standpoint, this effort has just alienated 75% of the groups, and in turn, has likely taken away 75% of its own possible war chest. Super. Great thinking. Why not piss off 3/4 of the people who could possibly help contribute to an effort, in favor of making a weakened effort to save a small percentage of groups that registered 5 years ago under an illegal ordinance? Does anyone else see this as the worst possible
    strategy ever put forth? Not only does it divide the community (25% for to 75% against), but it also gives unnecessary affirmation to a City Council that not only failed to do their job, bt who also made CA look terrible where medical cannabis is concerned. Talk about stupid.
    Here is the quote from the Stop the Ban in LA website:
    The medical cannabis dispensary ban throws out the baby with the bathwater. The Committee to Protect Patients and Neighborhoods supports a policy of limited, safe access for patients. We believe that is best-achieved by a policy that affords limited immunity to cannabis dispensaries that registered with the city before it enacted an Interim Control Ordinance designed to limit dispensary proliferation in September 2007.
    >A limited immunity approach to the regulation of medical cannabis would enable registered, tax-paying dispensaries that meet city-imposed restrictions on their operations to provide safe access to patients and/or caregivers with valid physicians’ recommendations, consistent with state law.
    >A limited immunity approach would allow the city to enforce the policy on those dispensaries creating nuisances, while allowing patients suffering from cancer, HIV/AIDS, MS, muscular dystrophy and other painful and debilitating conditions to preserve uninterrupted, safe access to their medication.
    These statements fail to state the obvious….that this situation is where it is BECAUSE of the ICO established in 2007 and it is a terrible idea to revisit that situation.
    So what is the answer? To fight for everyone’s right to exist, or to at least base your “limited immunity” on a figure or benchmark that does not reward the bad behavior of a continually failing City Council in LA. I do not care if you went with a benchmark of one dispensary for every 10 pharmacies, as they did in AZ. Or if you based it on population (one per every 10,000 residents); that would be fine too. Or look at Denver, CO. Denver licensed roughly 300 dispensaries for a population of 620,00 people, or one for roughly every 2,000 residents. In LA, a city of over 3,820,000 people, that would mean over 1,910 dispensaries. If Denver can deal with this level of saturation, why can’t LA?
    But furthermore, why are we putting forth a referendum effort that is based in the math of a City Council’s ultimate failure? Why are we not working to CHANGE the situation and make it better, instead of heading back to the dark ages of 2007? I just do not get it. I may never get it. I just want to quit taking people to jail for weed, and for there to be as many places for patients and potheads to get their cannabis safely and conveniently for affordable and competitive prices. I thought we all did….guess I was wrong, again. 
    As we continue to set our strategies in efforts to appease the opposition in some hopes of winning “limited immunity” for some, and completely fucking the rest, we will continue to divide our community and chances are there will still be no limited immunity for anyone at the end of the day. Like most efforts in LA, it will be politically fucked around so much that it will end up more fucked than where it started. This effort reeks of collusion and ugly politics. It does not embody the spirit of cannabis freedom in any way.
    I do have many friends and associates who would likely benefit from this “limited immunity” approach. But my friends and associates are not pussies. They do not fear healthy competition, as their products and services usually give them all the advantage they need. This attempt to roll back the clock and serve the interests of those who believe they were granted some god-given right by filling out some illegal paperwork 5 years ago, is simply pathetic.
    You guys can do what you want…but before you get to knee-deep in this shit, here is the list of “Pre-ICO dispensaries” (in order of filing priority, which is what the dates symbolize) for you to review. Take a close look and tell me how many of these places are still open under the same management at the same location? Chances are you can do the math on your fingers. Check it out:
    Mother Nature Remedy
    David Slocum
    17302 Saticoy St., Van Nuys, CA 91406
    (818) 345-6337
    9/14/2007
    1117
    Eagle Rock Herbal Collective
    Edward Neunuebel
    4729 Eagle Rock Bl., Los Angeles, CA 90041
    (323) 257-4420
    9/14/2007
    1251
    Canna Health
    Kit Shun
    5208 W. Pico Bl. #517, Los Angeles, CA 90019
    None
    9/17/2007
    922
    Natural Remedies
    Boris Sokol
    6231 Santa Monica Bl., Los Angeles, CA 90038
    (323) 871-9500
    9/17/2007
    943
    LA Wonderland Caregivers
    Daniel Sung
    4406 W. Pico Bl., Los Angeles, CA 90019
    (323) 936-4410
    9/17/2007
    1550
    Collective Caregivers Pharmacy and/or 2 AM Pharmacy
    David Gold
    8239 Canoga Bl., Canoga Park, CA 91304
    (818) 264-0790
    9/18/2007
    1021
    PureLife Alternative Wellness Center
    Yamileth Bolanos
    1649 S. La Cienega Bl., Los Angeles, CA 90035
    (310) 384-3668
    9/18/2007
    1035
    Gourmet Green Room
    Matthew Tanney
    2000 Cotner Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90025
    (310) 508-9997
    9/18/2007
    1317
    Herbal Solutions
    Vatche Papazian
    22122 Sherman Way #206, Canoga Park, CA 91303
    (818) 993-5551
    9/18/2007
    1409
    RDC Collective Corp.
    David C. Caspino
    6102 Reseda Bl., Tarzana, CA 91335
    (818) 757-0434
    9/19/2007
    1109
    Cyon Corporation of Northridge Cannamed
    Ronald A. McMartin
    9349 Melvin Ave., #9, Northridge, CA 91324
    (818) 882-4849
    9/19/2007
    1256
    Sunset Herbal Corner
    Arshavir Merticianian
    7225 Sunset Bl., Los Angeles, CA 90046
    (323) 251-8341
    9/19/2007
    1403
    Advanced Patients Collective
    Matthew C. Dunn
    1580 Gower St., Los Angeles, CA 90028
    (818) 200-8198
    9/19/2007
    1502
    Silverlake Caregivers
    Toby Stein
    2323 Beverly Bl., Los Angeles, CA 90057
    (213) 484-1651
    9/20/2007
    1612
    Perennial Holistic Wellness Center
    Sammar Humeid
    14542 Ventura Bl. #201, Sherman Oaks, CA 91403
    (818) 728-4883
    9/21/2007
    1108
    The Wellness Earth Energy Dispensary
    Jeffrey Malinovitz
    12021 1/2 Ventura Bl., Studio City, CA 91604
    (818) 980-2266
    9/21/2007
    1239
    Buds and Roses Collevtive
    Merav Agig
    13235 Ventura Bl., Studio City, CA 91604
    (818) 907-8852
    9/21/2007
    1402
    Highland Park Patient Collective
    Steve and Victora Leon
    5716 N. Figueroa St., Highland Park, CA 90042
    (626) 610-3145
    9/24/2007
    1507
    California Patients Alliance
    Barry Kramer
    8271 Melrose Ave. #102, Los Angeles, CA 90046
    (323) 655-1735
    9/25/2007
    1505
    Nile Collective Corporation
    Henry Yang
    1501 Pacific Ave., Venice, CA 90291
    (310) 392-9900
    9/26/2007
    1157
    Grateful Medications Compassion
    Richard Chasser
    744 N. La Brea Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90038
    (323) 936-1030
    9/26/2007
    1205
    Granada Hills Discount Farmacy
    Alex Berrera
    10705 Balboa Ave., Granada Hills, CA 91344
    (818) 832-8378
    9/27/2007
    1154
    Northridge Caregivers Inc.
    Tina Greisman
    8672 Lindley Ave., Northridge, CA 91325
    (818) 772-1990
    9/27/2007
    1259
    Westside Caregivers Club Inc.
    Anthony Broussard
    22148 Ventura Bl. #A, Woodland Hills, CA 91367
    (818) 887-2106
    9/27/2007
    1312
    Boo-Ku Collective Care
    Joh Eckert
    6817 Sepulveda Bl., Van Nuys, CA 91405
    (818) 908-9255
    9/28/2007
    1330
    Beach Enlightment and Compassionate Healing Center
    Blake Arce
    310 Culver Bl., Playa Del Rey, CA 90293
    (310) 821-4420
    9/28/2007
    1038
    Hollywood Home Remedies
    Daniel Sosa
    1607 N. El Centro Ave. #24, Los Angeles, CA 90028
    (323) 469-9073
    9/28/2007
    1038
    LaBrea Collective
    Daniel Sosa
    812 S. La Brea Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90036
    (323) 939-3374
    10/2/2007
    752
    West Valley Patients Group
    James Tanis
    23043 Ventura Bl., Woodland Hills, CA 91324
    (818) 224-4146
    10/3/2007
    744
    Absolute Herbal Pain Solutions
    David Vayntrub
    901 S. LaBrea Ave. Ste. 3, Los Angeles, CA 90036
    (323) 932-6263
    10/3/2007
    756
    Healthy Herbal Care, LLC
    Galyuk Vyacheslav
    8942 Woodman Ave. Unit B2, Arleta, CA 91331
    (818) 894-4372
    10/3/2007
    1407
    Green Dragon Caregivers, Inc.
    Manuel Semerdjian
    7423 Van Nuys Bl., Van Nuys, CA 91405
    (818) 442-0054
    10/3/2007
    1557
    Holistic Alternative, Inc.
    Princess Russell
    21001-13 Sherman Way, Canoga Park, CA 91803
    (818) 703-1190
    10/3/2007
    1608
    Healthy Herbal Care Plus (HHC+)
    Mikhail Bulkin
    313 N. Virgil Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90004
    (323) 660-0386
    10/5/2007
    749
    Kind 4 Less
    Everette Patterson
    16156 San Fernando Mission Bl. Ste 8, Granada Hills, CA 91344
    (818) 831-3178
    10/9/2007
    1203
    Patients Against Pain, Inc.
    Arthur Kazanchian
    6240 Laurel Canyon Bl. #B, North Hollywood, CA 91606
    (818) 752-7274
    10/9/2007
    1244
    Humboldt Relief LLC
    Haroutyun Vardanyan
    6670 Reseda Bl. #107, Reseda, CA 91335
    (818) 300-0020
    10/10/2007
    1007
    California Finest Compassionate Cooperative, Inc.
    Joshua Broussard
    8552 Venice Bl., Los Angeles, CA 90034
    (310) 838-5800
    10/10/2007
    1213
    New Apothecary Inc.
    Edward Skopinsky
    330 N. Western Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90004
    (323) 836-0420
    10/10/2007
    1236
    Sunrise Caregiver Foundation
    Kwok Chan
    1151 W. Pacific Coast Hwy, Ste 4A, Harbor City, CA 90710
    (310) 530-1628
    10/11/2007
    1335
    Valley Herbal Center, Inc.
    Mais Davtyan
    11675 Vanowen St., North Hollywood, CA 91605
    (818) 445-1575
    10/11/2007
    1346
    Purple Heart Compassion
    Yong Jie Yu
    5823 W. Pico Bl. Unit B, Los Angeles, CA 90019
    (323) 938-8880
    10/11/2007
    1418
    Holistic Care of Studio City
    Vincent Nicoletti
    12406 Ventura Bl. Ste. B, Studio City, CA 91604
    (818) 985-5551
    10/12/2007
    1246
    California Organic Treatment Center, Inc.
    Oleg Shpitaluy