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July 12, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 22 Messages in 12 Topics

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 12 07:22PM -0700  

    Im with ya . You know what I cherish about you mickey? You bring
    yourself to the table right or wrong and your willing to examine your
    own work and input. With a rare passion which in turn makes others
    take a reveiw of how they comunicate . Im sorry for your loss and wish
    your family comfort n care.
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
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    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 12 06:45PM -0700  

    PeaceLove said:
     
     
    Deleting the personal, unproductive dick-waving thread below is not
    > activism or ideas, air it. But please spare me and others your back and
    > forth insult throwdowns.
    > Jonathan
     
     
    Understood; point well made, and taken. I will refrain myself from such
    posturing in the future.
     
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    "martinvictor" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 12 11:16AM -0700  

    With all the appellate rulings which one is legal ? onsite growing ,off site
    growing ,with delivery ,without delivery , with profit ,without profit,

     

    Dennis Nebeker <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 12 06:41PM -0700  

    Great questions….but although these activities may be protected by CA law the continued crackdown by the DEA is making these ruling useless. The property owner of our collective got THE DEA letter telling him to get us out or loose his building last year. Two months later he gets another letter saying he has not complied and he better do it ASAP. This meant that we were being watched and he had no choice. We were in 100% compliance in all ways including distance from schools. This ruling is the greatest thing to happen for Prop 215 and gives us strength and belief that we will win one day be triumpth, how will it help collectives today?
     
    Sent from my iPhone
    Dennis
     

     

    Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 12 02:52PM -0700  

    Melinda Haag said:
     
    "The larger the operation, the greater likelihood that there will be abuse
    > of the state's medical marijuana laws, and marijuana in the hands of
    > individuals who do not have a demonstrated medical need," Haag said.
     
     
    Because Harborside is large … they must be guilty of breaking State Law;
    even if we can't prove it? I'd be willing to bet my last dollar that
    HARBORSIDE validates EVERY individuals demonstrated need; they would be
    crazy not to … Steve DeAngelo is smart person … HARBORSIDE does not
    need too stray from the law to make a buck from abusing the system; they
    have 100,000 compliant members who contribute to the collective regularly.
     
    GOODWILL is a MULTI-BILLION dollar corporation; that's right GOODWILL makes
    BILLIONS each year; selling donated clothing in their world-wide outlets;
    AS A MUTUAL BENEFIT NON-PROFIT. If the fed determines the potential for
    abuse based on the size of the corporation; then why aren't they going
    after the potential abuses of the Church of Scientology and GOODWILL for
    abusing their NON-PROFIT status? The believe the answer is because medical
    marijuana collectives are easy political targets.
     
    The only difference between GOODWILL and HARBORSIDE is the items donated;
    which flies in the face of Prop 215; and Obama's promise.
     
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    marijuana dispensary draws protest
     
     
    "The larger the operation, the greater likelihood that there will be abuse
    of the state's medical marijuana laws, and marijuana in the hands of
    individuals who do not have a demonstrated medical need," Haag said.

     

    s..s@a2c2.us Jul 12 11:30AM -0400  

    A couple things stand out to me in this exchange:
    1. Terry, you apologize for beating a dead horse by…BEATING A DEAD HORSE.
    The most impractical "discussion" technique is to defend and excuse your
    comments by claiming you don't really mean to say something a certain way,
    and then think you are now absolved and can go ahead and say it anyway. It
    seems difficult for you to allow a thread to end without getting in the
    last word. This exposes you, possibly inappropriately, as a desperate person
    who lacks the maturity to accept closure and know when to just STOP. The
    better tactic would be to put yourself above the situation and just move on,
    even if it means NOT getting in the last word. To help us understand your
    view points, I encourage you to not let this deterioration occur in your
    postings as it totally distracts from us being able understand the core
    intent of your comments. I suggest that you have much to say and sticking to the
    issues and not letting yourself get caught up in or initiating
    distractions will enhance the value of your input. Terry, in total fairness, I would
    direct this to Mickey Martin as well.
    2. Just a personal perspective, but one shared by many that I have spoken
    to – A self-designation as "Herald" seems somewhat narcissistic (i.e. "You
    can censor me; but I'm the voice for the Cannabis Nation"…says who?); and
    also can imply in some way that you have deemed yourself more important
    than others. By "assuming" that privilege or "right", you can turn people off
    and cause them to not take your views as seriously as you hoped. It is
    not a fault of yours persay, but more a perception issue that you cannot
    control but would be better served by not trying to pat yourself on the back as
    much and just give good input and information. Let the masses decide if
    you are qualified or deserving of a designation as "Herald". If you take this
    more "enlightened" path, you may find many that are gladly wanting to
    offer you that praise or title, but otherwise it is just a useless distraction.

    These suggestions are made to encourage important voices like yourself and
    others to be more influential in getting your message across and increase
    the acceptance of your viewpoints and ideas. Again, I believe good advice
    for us all.

    Next subject please.

     

    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 12 08:52AM -0700  

    Point taken. Thank….
     
     
     

     

    Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 12 11:04AM -0700  

    Thank you Dave Hodge; i will take away much in the first paragraph; as too
    the second paragraph … a personal perspective; and while it may be good
    advice for some; it just doesn't go that deep for me and the therapy is way
    off base …
     
    Herald is my assignment … I'm writing anonymously … how is that looking
    for praise. Don't answer the question if you want to move on to the next
    subject.
     
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    Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 12 02:21PM -0700  

    BTW Dave Hodge,
     
    The censorship program on SAVE CANNABIS is obvious … as to your question
    … who designated me the Herald to speak for the cannabis nation? Well
    I'll answer your question with another question; who designated ASA or
    NORML or even you for that matter to speak on my behalf … or even
    question me for protecting my own? The answer is obvious … they self
    appointed; as did I … i appointed myself to speak the TRUTH for the
    Cannabis Nation; does that make me more or less important then anyone;
    absolutely NOT; am i looking for that … NO. Does it continue your agenda
    to marginalize and alienate? YES. Will it distract me … NOT IN THE
    SLIGHTEST WAY.
     
    Your comments stink of bias; immaturity … please dude; you this whole
    farce is immature; what happened to you man?
     
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    Letitia Pepper <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 12 02:58PM -0700  

        Here's a good question: who REALLY speaks for California patients?
         In California, patients have a legal, state-constitutionally protected right to safe and affordable access, which includes the right to grow, distribute, possess, transport and use cannabis, and to organize collectively to carry out these acts.
         In California, cannabis is the legal alternative to prescription drugs, which, unlike OTC drugs or herbal remedies, can only be possessed legally with a doctor's specific recommendation that cannabis may help him or her. 
           Thus, cannabis is the legal equivalent to a prescription drug.  Hence, efforts to tax cannabis, as an alternative to prescription drugs, is a denial of equal protection, and anyone who is working FOR patients would assert this argument instead of begging to subject patients to being taxed.  Cannabis is expensive enough for most people who can't grow it, so to add a tax to its total cost is truly an anti-patient action; many real patients — people with AIDS and HIV come to mind — already are living on low and/or fixed incomes related to their illnesses.
            One problem with this "movement" is that some of the people most active in this "movement" are not using cannabis as medicine, but as a recreational drug.  Those people, who see it as the equivalent to alcohol, are willing to let it be treated like alcohol.
          People with serious health problems, who've been lucky to find cannabis is their answer to the side effects of prescription drugs, and a way to avoid kidney and liver damage from opiates, have an entirely different perspective than purely recreational users.  They don't see cannabis as "like alcohol."  They see it as an alternative to drugs that were making them sick that can can make them better.
         Cannabis was made legal in California for use as a medicine by people with health problems. It was not legalized to be a recreational drug.
        Therefore, any person, and any group, that seeks to have cannabis in California taxed and regulated like alcohol is not speaking for patients, but for recreational users.  Therefore, ASA is no longer speaking for patients when it promotes things like AB 2312.  ASA is no longer speaking for patients when it uses its funding — money given to a group that supposedly promotes the rights of patients –to promote things like AB 2312 instead of litigating cases that would help establish the rights of patients, in cases like Daisy Bram's case.
           As a patient, I object to ASA speaking for me when it promotes things like AB 2312, and when it urges patients to urge the Legislature to pass such a bill.  There was NO NEED for AB 2312.  There is need for litigation of cases to clarify what is and is not allowed by Prop. 215.

     

    Jeff Clark <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 12 12:27PM -0700  

    What's up? Pot smokers and activists are supposed to be mellow…oohhhmmm.no single person is going to legalize cannabis and it wont happen unless we unite 100%. So quit bickering between ourselves and peacefully strategically take our anger out on those that are oppressing us.  Peace love n cannabis logic and reason……..
     
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    William West <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 11 09:12PM -0700  

    Boy you don't look very far back at who's done what to whom. Does "Thinning
    of The Herds" "Restrictive Permitting" or "Stricter Guidelines" have any
    meaning? Don Duncan has had ties with each one of these larger centers and
    now all have closed down. Does the red light blink? BPG, Harborside,
    Oaksterdam, all had ties at one time with Teflon Don. All gone now….and
    you wonder why? How thick can it be?
     
     
     
     
     
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    Thc <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 12 10:43AM -0700  

    Harborside brought this on them selfs by using Oakland's money to fund other cities, like the Measure U Taxes in San Jose. They are not a franchise, nor is the US ready for "The warehouse" model either. Many can't wrap the concept that marijuana is not a drug, until shared or passed with someone else. Most just view it as a drug and say the typical BS we fight against every day.
     
    We need to get better at working together and educating. Education is the key because all patients are witnessing is collectives fighting over who is been here the longest bla, bla, bla crap. Get a campaign of educating the ignorance to the typical stereotypes of Marijuana. We are still fighting the past political lies to the war on drugs. Think of all the literature out there that has to be changed after this becomes a schedule 2. This is what we should be fighting for as a group…. Fight the Feds and make changes happen so Marijuana can be tested.
     
    We are praying for you all and the emails we read in this news feed….. 4:20 is the time we pause to do this for you and thank God how far we all have come in this movement! How lucky we are to be alive during this change and we are making a difference together.
     
    Much love,
    Momma D
     
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

    Pebbles Trippet <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 11 09:05PM -0700  

    Sorry for my incomplete response. When I said "Chris is exactly
    right", I was mainly aiming it at Terry Colorado's many posts
    on the alternate opcannabis site, which he initiated (if I understand
    correctly) to lash out against censorship,
    fighting with Mickey in sexist language, calling each other "pussy",
    lacking "balls" and all that — female bad, male good.
     
    Mickey assininely played along, initiating/perpetuating the bully-
    fight-macho routine, while the rest listened to the testosterone-
    driven dumb-shit in disgust.
    Nobody is leading anyone anywhere. This bull-fighting stuff drags us
    all down into adolescent ways of fighting prohibition.
    Letitia's point that her efforts have tried to focus on legal points
    is well-taken, and I often agree with her points.
     
    Where I differ with all of them is not in their critical stance, since
    I too am a critic of 2312 on multiple grounds,
    but on the finger-pointing and downgrading of individuals doing the
    work of trying to change the law.
    Whether we agree in any given instance or not, we are all against
    prohibition of a sacred plant and no one has a mature handle on how to
    stop that.
     
    I wrote the Senate Committee in opposition to the law with 5 points
    outlining my "concerns".
    Nowhere did I name ASA or NORML or Steph or Dale or Dan or anyone else
    as the culprits.
    I addressed the intolerable sections in the law that were unacceptable
    to the cannabis patient community…
    mainly that it failed to exempt from regulation small backyard non-
    commercial gardens of patients and caregivers "collectively
    associating".
     
    Instead it repeatedly mentioned "individual patients" and "individual
    caregivers" as protected but not backyard collectives and cooperatives.
    Instead of belaboring who's responsible for this…let's focus on
    changing it to reflect the "collective cooperative cultivation"
    protection in SB420.
     
    There are two laws, Prop 215 and SB420, and they are both important.
    Prop 215 doesn't even mention collectives, but SB420 expands our
    rights to include the right to associate collectively.
    Prop 215 is the foundation of the equation, while SB420 takes it
    further into practical application —
    allowing "2 or more" to cultivate collectively without regulations,
    penalties and meddling government agents
    if they choose to avoid participating in regulation thru a storefront
    to sell their product.
     
    If we're fussing and screaming about who was responsible for this
    glaring omission — whether it was the League of Cities or Ammiano or
    ASA —
    we miss the chance to focus on the language in the law. Instead we're
    spewing hate which lands on everybody and taints our common purpose.
     
    pebbles
     
     

     

    Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 12 12:29AM -0700  

    Pebbles said:
     
    > omission — whether it was the League of Cities or Ammiano or ASA — we
    > miss the chance to focus on the language in the law. Instead we're spewing
    > hate which lands on everybody and taints our common purpose.
     
     
    What is left out of your post Pebbles is that ASA was caught with their
    hands in the cookie jar; everyone knows what i'm talking about; they have a
    history of restrictive permitting … ab2312 was not the first time ASA
    tried to stop free market … or has this very basic fact been lost in the
    mix? How many ordinances now in major cities have ASA screwed up with their
    language? San Diego certainly … Sacramento possibly? San Jose? Don't
    know. Anyone want to add to this?
     
    Daisy Bram is a patient that needed ASA; ASA had a million dollars yet
    chose to CONTINUE their support of AB2312 instead of using those resources
    fight strong on her behalf; on a poster patient case; despite myself and a
    few others raising the red flag. Instead of explaining the situation they
    went silent and sent out Dan Rush and a few others to defend AB2312;
    continuing their support for the bill; instead of trashing the bill; and
    supporting patients instead.
     
    Now that Harborside has received a letter from the feds; where do you think
    ASA is going to be? That's right; everyone has their priorities … and if
    i want to 'HATE' ASA for choosing not to protect a real patient like Daisy
    Bram; what is wrong with that? Its not wrong brothers and sisters; what
    they are doing is wrong. I don't hate ASA; but if you tell me your a duck
    … then be a duck. Quack, Quack.
     
    NOTE: Don't get me wrong … i love that Harborside is standing up to the
    DEA; and for that Steve Deangelo is the man! That's right … i behind you
    Mr. Deangelo; DOJ can suck it. Take the sorry bast… down … sir.
     
    Now before i go on … is pointing this out or having this opinion …
    "hate?" First of all; "hate" is a very strong word … you know "hate
    crime" … like I hate you because you smoke weed. I don't hate ASA; or Don
    Duncan or Steph Sherer; i don't like that ASA claims to be a patient
    advocacy but spends there efforts and money to promote and protect a few
    key donors. AGAIN … does having this opinion mean I "hate" ASA?
     
    Besides; even if i hated ASA; so what … is it wrong to "hate" an
    organization for misrepresenting to me that they are looking out for my
    best interest; and to suddenly find out they are not … in fact .. hands
    in the cookie jar says … they are out for their own self interests. Hate
    … really? Anyone ever say they hated the IRS?
     
    Maybe it was my method that made some think of "hate;" Once attacked; i
    attack twice as hard without the thought of taking prisoners … is that
    wrong … well i think for certain situations … yes its wrong … this
    very situation for instance; Mickey is mourning his mother's passing; and I
    think that some have tried to capitalize on the "fight" to alienate using
    this strong word "HATE."
     
    Hate … though … ? I think even Mickey would agree there was no hate in
    our fight; bravado; egos; etc … yes; but no hate … and certainly no
    intended sexism; is it sexist to call a guy a "pussy" … is it sexist to
    call a woman a "dick?" I don't know … i'm sorry if i'm sexist … i've
    been calling dudes pussy and dick for years never realizing … sexist? I'm
    not sure; certainly it was insensitive to the receiving audience …
    possibly … but intended sexism? Not hardly.
     
    Hate? Right i don't see hate; i see pro-reg elite slinging the word around
    to inflame an already chaotic situation; sexist … not really … just
    words to excite.
     
    Relax my friends … Mickey and I are two strong men who got into a
    slugfest in front of a crowd …
     
     
    Chris said:
     
    You misunderstood what happened again, Terry.
     
    The problem is that nobody wants to read your crap or to have anything to
    do with you, and between you, Letiticia and Cain you've driven just about
    everyone off of these two lists. Nice work undermining the movement, but
    this time you unified us in agreement that you are a boring bully.
     
     
    Chris I'm not receiving much from Save Cannabis except the other side of
    the conversation; yours i missed; it would be easier if you sent your
    responses to OpCannabis (link below) so that i can respond to your
    very inflammatory email … btw is this "hate?" If it is i didn't take it
    that way … sorry i didn't pick that up.
     
    Chris you are wrong … plenty of people want to hear my "crap" … or is
    it YOU and a few others who are the group who doesn't want real patients to
    hear? I send the message to Mickey; who was mutually willing to combat …
    you attack me without any provocation; i never even mentioned you in a post
    … nothing … and from out of nowhere … hello Terry .. you suck …
    please leave because "nobody" wants anything to do with you … what the
    eff is that … am I'm supposed to care if you personally have this opinion
    … can you clarify "nobody" son? And why are you taking up for Mickey
    anyway? The dude can and was slinging mud way better then your lame .. okay
    … sorry almost went there … enough.
     
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    On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Pebbles Trippet <s..s@a2c2.us>wrote:
     

     

    Letitia Pepper <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 12 10:37AM -0700  

       Everyone who got this post didn't get the post I sent to Pebbles that prompted it.
       In terms of whether we are all trying to get to the same point or not, the problem I see is that we are not.
        The fundamental issue is this: is access to a plant a individual right that cannot and should not be impeded by government regulation, or is it a right that is controlled by the government to do with as it likes?  Including the right to create market oligopolies?
         At the present moment, we are so lucky that Prop. 215 passed because it is why Californians have individual rights that cannot legaly be taken away by the State legislature.  That is why the limits on the amounts a patient could possess and grow were struck down in people v. Kelly.
         We have also always had the right to associate together to do, as groups, what we could do legally as individuals.  We didn't need SB 420 for that; that right comes from the federal and state constitutional rights of freedom of association.
          We do not have the right to sell marijuana for a profit; Prop. 215 did not make the sale of marijuana legal or exempt patients from the laws against sales.  Jerry Brown, as Attorney General, was very clever; he made a distinction between sales as an activity for profit, and distribution among members with a sharing of the costs of production.
          I will continue to name names when it comes to people doing things to interfere with patients' rights in order to obtain some special benefit for themselves. 
          Richard Lee and Prop. 19 was a true wake-up call for patients; it was no accident that after 14 alleged revisions, it was so cleverly written to have one effect, while it was marketed as having quite another.  And the fact that Lee used an LLC, Seymour something on other, as one of his tools to try to pass Prop. 19 was no accident, either; people would probably be very surprised to find out just what people were participants in that LLC. 
     
     
    — On Wed, 7/11/12, Pebbles Trippet <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
     
    Cc: "Letitia Pepper Pepper" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Chris Conrad Conrad" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "terry colorado colorado" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Mickey Martin" <s..s@a2c2.us>
     
    Sorry for my incomplete response. When I said "Chris is exactly right", I was mainly aiming it at Terry Colorado's many posts on the alternate opcannabis site, which he initiated (if I understand correctly) to lash out against censorship, fighting with Mickey in sexist language, calling each other "pussy", lacking "balls" and all that — female bad, male good. 
    Mickey assininely played along, initiating/perpetuating the bully-fight-macho routine, while the rest listened to the testosterone-driven dumb-shit in disgust.Nobody is leading anyone anywhere. This bull-fighting stuff drags us all down into adolescent ways of fighting prohibition.Letitia's point that her efforts have tried to focus on legal points is well-taken, and I often agree with her points.
    Where I differ with all of them is not in their critical stance, since I too am a critic of 2312 on multiple grounds,but on the finger-pointing and downgrading of individuals doing the work of trying to change the law.Whether we agree in any given instance or not, we are all against prohibition of a sacred plant and no one has a mature handle on how to stop that.
    I wrote the Senate Committee in opposition to the law with 5 points outlining my "concerns". Nowhere did I name ASA or NORML or Steph or Dale or Dan or anyone else as the culprits.I addressed the intolerable sections in the law that were unacceptable to the cannabis patient community…mainly that it failed to exempt from regulation small backyard non-commercial gardens of patients and caregivers "collectively associating".
    Instead it repeatedly mentioned "individual patients" and "individual caregivers" as protected but not backyard collectives and cooperatives.Instead of belaboring who's responsible for this…let's focus on changing it to reflect the "collective cooperative cultivation" protection in SB420.
    There are two laws, Prop 215 and SB420, and they are both important. Prop 215 doesn't even mention collectives, but SB420 expands our rights to include the right to associate collectively.Prop 215 is the foundation of the equation, while SB420 takes it further into practical application — allowing "2 or more" to cultivate collectively without regulations, penalties and meddling government agents if they choose to avoid participating in regulation thru a storefront to sell their product.
    If we're fussing and screaming about who was responsible for this glaring omission — whether it was the League of Cities or Ammiano or ASA –we miss the chance to focus on the language in the law. Instead we're spewing hate which lands on everybody and taints our common purpose.
    pebbles
     
          Is Chris exactly right that I, Terry and Bruce Cain are the problem?
          I've worked really hard to explain the legal problems with people's claims and ideas.  I can see how people are trying to sneak GMO cannabis into legislation.  Unlike anyone else who's criticized me, I neutrally reviewed and analyzed legislation for a living for years and years.
           I could see how the pro-Prop.19 people, including Chris Conrad, were outright lying to patients who trusted them, because of their "names" in the "movement."  So much for being a "name."
        I've helped patients, for free, avoid being prosecuted and getting their medicine back — without going to trial.  I'm now being prosecuted by the State Bar for defending, for free, a mother's right to use cannabis while caught up in an unwarranted dependency case — and rather than pleading guilty, I'm doing the work, taking the risk, and paying the defense costs to turn my prosecution into an indictment of the judge who refused to follow Prop. 215 and county laws protecting parents legally using cannabis and, with any luck, a published opinion about the rights of defendants to be accompanied to court by pro bono, retained counsel to challenge their appointed counsel as ineffective at a Marsden hearing. Why?  To benefit other people.  And because it pisses me off to see government officials — or anyone — lie and refuse to follow the laws we fought to get in place.
          I have only been involved with medical marijuana recently — because IT WORKS for my MS and beats the horrid prescription drugs that made me sick.  Before that, I did other civil rights type cases — and won.  But my recent and sincere involvement earns me nothing but scorn and outright lies from people like Chris Conrad and David Malmo Levine and Mickey Martin and scorn for not winning any "pot" cases. 
        Last night, I was at my city council meeting until midnight — opposing a racist redistricting plan that violated the Voters Right Act, a proposed "fee" that violated CEQA and was illegal as an unvoted-upon tax on property not benefited by the capital improvement, and more.
     
     
    — On Wed, 7/11/12, Pebbles Trippet <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
     
    Cc: "terry colorado" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Chris Conrad Conrad" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Mickey Martin" <s..s@a2c2.us>, "Letitia Pepper Pepper" <s..s@a2c2.us>
     
    Chris is exactly right. 1) No one was asked if we wanted to be put on a separate unnecessary OpCannabis email list, in addition to SaveCannabis.2) For people who don't want a cannabis monopoly over distribution, Terry took the cake by monopolizing the list with two way conversationsthat turned into macho shouting matches oblivious to the rest of us, who increasingly found them gross, demoralizing and dumb, and dropped out. 3) You are a lousy ambassador for your brand of prohibition. With "friends" like you, who needs enemies.  4) There is no room in our community for a selfish sexist low-life bully intent on humiliation, infecting our paths of communication. 5) Silence is golden. Non-response is eloquent. Go away.pebbles
     
    You misunderstood what happened again, Terry. 
    The problem is that nobody wants to read your crap or to have anything to do with you, and between you, Letiticia and Cain you've driven just about everyone off of these two lists. Nice work undermining the movement, but this time you unified us in agreement that you are a boring bully.  
    — Chris <s..s@a2c2.us>(phone#-removed)
    _______________
     
     
     
     
    On 7/10/12 10:05 AM, "Terry Colorado" <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
    FYI: This email thread was highly censored on Save Cannabis; didn't make it out to the rest of the list … here is the full thread so you will understand how they censor on Save Cannabis.
    col0rado
    Herald at Arms
    of the Cannabis Nation
     
    marijuanahomepage.com
    ASAbook.org#opcannabis #sacstertweets
    Listserv:s..s@a2c2.us
     
     
     
    Date: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:08 PM
     
     
    Mickey,
    Now you want to be friends? You called me a coward and then you challenged me to a fight because you decided to attack me and sensationalize an email with your inappropriate reference to your mother.
    Now you DON'T want to fight because you are afraid of an old man. that's fine  … at least you aren't too proud to say it. HAHA … BESIDES I'M NOT SO OLD I CAN'T WHOOP YOUR TROLL LIKE ASS.
    Anyway bro … if you really want to resolve this … stop CENSORING PEOPLE AND MANIPULATING SAVE CANNABIS list serv. 
    Most of the time you are wrong; and this is no exception.
    Go write your eulogy warrior … i'll see you in the funny papers.
    col0rado
    Herald at Arms
    of the Cannabis Nation
     
    marijuanahomepage.com
    ASAbook.org#opcannabis #sacstertweets
    Listserv:s..s@a2c2.us
     
     
     
    On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
    You are too funny, dude. I mentioned my mother's passing as reason why I had been absent from the conversation for a few days. You are the one who decided to use it as a weapon against me. That is fine. Do your thing. Whatever makes you feel better.Honestly, when you first began to post you seemed a bit brighter. But it seems you drank the kool-aid and went off the irrational deep end with the wingnut posse. That is your business.I was not paid for CSPARC except for drafting it, stupid…and the campaign is not over yet. But almost 30k signatures with no money is not something I am ashamed of. In most other counties I would have qualified three times over. Sac is a challenge.But we will be bringing the effort back soon for round 2. As for my real job, I am booked, yo. I turn clients away every day. Only so much time in the day. Your statements questioning my employment and assuming dumb shit that is no where near reality just shows your ignorance.I have
    no interest in you. You are a big mouth nobody in a whole world of big mouth nobodies.Good luck with your future. Try to do some soul searching though and figure out what you are really mad at. I am not even sure what made you attack me in the first place. Because I was not opposed enough to AB 2312? Be sure my questioning of their effort did more damage than your anonymous kicking and screaming.Like I said.  Not sure how we got here, but I can assure you I am nobody's bitch. But you know that. That is why I was your "hero." Talk about comedy. Geez, Terry..  what is the real fucking problem here and how do we solve it?I enjoy a good argument, but we both got better shit to do than this childish back and forth.I will be the bigger man and call a truce if you are game. If not, I will see you when I see you.On Jul 9, 2012 8:30 PM, "Terry Colorado" <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
    Look Asshole; you brought up your mother's passing; that's on you … i would never use my mother or family or friends like that .. .but like you said your prerogative. You want to use your family to sensationalize an email; that's on you … straight up ONLY FROM YOU ASSHOLE.
    That's what i thought you fuck; no balls. Talk major shit … then when it comes to put up or shut up … well Mickey doesn't have the balls to put up nor even the intelligence to shut up.
    My name  .. you want my name .. how about "Mickey Martin is MY Bitch."
     
    col0rado
    Herald at Arms
    of the Cannabis Nation
     
    marijuanahomepage.com
    ASAbook.org#opcannabis #sacstertweets
    Listserv:s..s@a2c2.us
     
     
     
    On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
    Yawn….
    You are a fucking joke. Admittedly, you talking shit about my mother's passing has made me give you more attention than you are worth…..
    I am not hard to find, and neither are you….Let's just agree to hate one another from afar and try to stay out of one another's hair…..I have no interest in escalating this to some shit we will both regret. 
    If you are too ashamed of who you are to sign your messages with your real name, that is your prerogative.
    Have a good night, pal…..
    Yours Truly….Mickey
     
    On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
    You not too smart; which is it Mickey; Is it Vail; Sacsterdam; Peppers; Martin … i've been accused of being everyone and no one. Fact is i prefer being anonymous in my writing; live with it my mentally challenged friend. You are short on clues; body and intelligence.
    Mickey Mouse said:
    I could sit here and make idle threats and let Mr. Vail know that the world has just become a much more dangerous place for him. 
    You don't want to make an idle threat; wtf bitch … you just did; now what? Frankly its not allowed for me to take credit for KICKING AB2312's ASS; or to tell anyone my real name; but for you little mouse; i will make an exception … I'm right here in Sacramento little boy; call me out before you come into town  … i have a place were you and I can go and straighten things out. I wouldn't mind shoving something besides your other foot … into your stupid mouth. Frankly; if you had a sack of nuts you wouldn't be hiding behind Save Cannabis and Dan Rush. I will be surprised if this response makes it out of Save Cannabis.
    As for success and accomplishments; I guess you screwed up your gig up in Sacramento County isn't that right CSPARC? Where's the results … what somthing less then 25,000 sig's and you were PAID. lol … guess you won't be getting a gig like that anytime soon … oh wait maybe that's why you still sucking up to Pro Reg crowd after you blew it dumb ass; you had them on the ropes but you were the coward; now you have to

     

    Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 12 03:40AM -0700  

    Apologize if i'm beating a dead horse but based on a post from Mickey this
    morning; i do believe a few things need to be clarified:
     
    My following point is that nobody attacked Mickey; Mickey attacked first;
    he went after my "coalition of blowhards" … I am Herald at Arms; i'm
    going to take up for my people; Mickey attacked and I responded. I'm not
    bringing this up for another fight; i'm trying to point out that Mickey
    initiated the attack that brought all this on; and a few obstructionist and
    pro-reg jumped into the fight without being invited in defense of Mickey.
     
    Mickey directly challenge me and my friends … so i came to the party. We
    are good though … I just wanted to clear the air; and clarify the
    situation and keep it real. Stay golden we are on the same path.
     
    Post sent to Save Cannabis yesterday morning at 8:58am from Mickey.
     
    Mickey said:
     
    I never hated him at all, and I do not hate him any more or any less. But
    > But I appreciate your candor and willingness to at least make me think
    > about my actions going forward. I will try to reel it in…..maybe. We will
    > see how it goes.
     
     
     
    Fake name or not … baseless attacks? Just not true; explain how I was off
    base on ASA or Dan Rush? I attacked Dan Rush and Mickey because they BOTH
    attacked William West and Letitia Peppers; and lets not forget Bruce Cain
    either; i have tremendous amounts of respect for all these folks even if
    some of some don't; my point is; NOBODY cried foul when Mickey and Dan were
    attacking these folks ceaselessly for their views … and as far a i could
    tell none of my HERO'S were attacking; just stating opinion and knowledge;
    even offering solace and understanding. Read on please …
     
     
    The Original Attack
     
    Mickey said:
     
    > bullshit, as nearly all of it is based in fear-mongering and
    > attention-seeking. None of the hyperbolic madness coming from this group is
    > even based in reality.
     
     
    I will highlight the words forming the attack: Lunatic fringe bullshit;
    ignorant and unfounded rhetoric; bullshit; fear-mongering and attention
    seeking; hyperbolic madness … not based in reality.
     
    Bruce Cain said:
     
    Sorry to hear about your mother. My father passed in January and I know
    > pressure but it was NOT what I wanted to do. And rest assured that while I
    > will always challenge the "ideas" I don't like I do try to avoid ad homined
    > attacks of individuals. We are not coming after you.
     
     
    I will highlight the words forming the attack; … NONE:
     
     
    Mickey responded:
     
    "We are not coming after you" B-Cain
    > They used my own tax money to follow me for two years, kick my door in and
    > try to take me to prison. I am not a huge fan of giving the Feds, or the
    > State for that matter, tax money either.
     
     
    I will highlight the words forming the attack: mouse in pocket; dangerous
    coalition of blowhards; obsession; newflash;
     
    Just clearing the air and keeping it real …
     
    col0rado
    Herald at Arms
    of the Cannabis Nation
     
    marijuanahomepage.com
    ASAbook.org
    #opcannabis
    #sacstertweets
     
    Listserv:
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    Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 11 08:48PM -0700  

    Well darn … i sent my last email before i wanted to … meant to hit the
    save now button and sent it instead so i apologize if it seems a bit
    disjointed or unreadable. This one won't be any better. My writing isn't
    the same unless i'm medicated; and unfortunately i'm not.
     
    Its true that Pro-Reg is coming hard now; but i will weather the storm here
    on Save Cannabis if Dave Hodge is fair and lets me get my message out,
    without screening or censoring my posts. We will see; he seems like a stand
    up guy. In return i will tone down the aggressive rhetoric and
    bad language that seems to creep some of you folks out. i know Shona will
    appreciate that.
     
    If not … no big deal; OpCannabis is gaining new subs every day. I've got
    another email list of over 2500; and my facebook just maxed at 5000
    cannabis heros; from which i will recruit even more members to the
    OpCannabis list very soon. I speak to and recruit a couple of dozen
    patients five days a week; and i ask them … do you know ASA; at least
    ninty percent have never heard of ASA, or no very little about ASA. Its
    true; we are leaderless and I am looking for a leader to Champion.
     
    This isn't hate; as Pro-Reg would have you believe. I hate no one. Lets get
    that straight; yah i attacked hard when i was provoked; because it was
    necessary. Pebbles talks about monopolizing the lists, but this scene DPFCA
    & SaveCannabis is so Pro-Reg biased it was necessary for the sake of the
    message to defend my self twice as hard as i was attacked.
     
    The resolution is simple; don't attack me. Mickey attacked me first; i
    responded in kind and twice as hard. Mickey is a proud guy .. he don't want
    to back down … like me so he responds in kind; twice as hard … then
    versa visa versa and next thing you know we are two major assholes throwing
    down in front of a crowd.
     
    Some hate it … some claim to hate it, but participate … because some
    people absolutely love a train-wreck. Well I go both ways; i can fight the
    good fight; but i also can get in the mud; and i sling it better then most;
    which is why Pro-Reg wants me silenced. Don't worry though; I won't abandon
    you Good people of Cannabis Nation; I may tone down the rhetoric for the
    sake of harmony; but i won't be silenced and i won't easily go away as you
    have learned. Not gonna work .. i'm not afraid and i won't
    be harassed or intimidated.
     
    I'll just add that i am a member of this community; and despite efforts to
    the contrary I will remain a member for life. I'm a citizen of California;
    i live in Sacramento; and I'm NOT GOING AWAY; and i won't be silenced; by
    obstructionists or the Pro-Reg elite.
     
    You can censor me; but i'm the voice for the Cannabis Nation; and I have
    plenty of ears NOT too sensitive to the truth who rely on me to keep the
    Pro-Reg crowd honest; i will continue my message albeit on my own channel
    if necessary.
     
    Check out my page at www.facebook.com/sacterdam; unfortunately I can't add
    you as a friend because i've already reached the 5000 friend maximum;
    however i am making moves to accommodate you in the future.
     
    Mickey and I have; as far as i believe; squashed our fight; and while we
    may not be friends we have agreed to at least co-exist amicably from a
    distance; besides i can't help but like the guy; everyone should read the
    post he put online in tribute for his mother; its very touching; gave me a
    good look at the Mickey Martin I admire and respect.
     
    Thank you for listening,
     
    col0rado
    Herald at Arms
    of the Cannabis Nation
     
    marijuanahomepage.com
    www.facebook.com/sacsterdam
    ASAbook.org
    #opcannabis
    #sacstertweets
     
    Listserv:
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July 11, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 17 Messages in 11 Topics

    Michael Levinsohn <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 11 08:20PM -0700  

    Let's take a break from the mishegos and take note that Harborside–Harborside, for Christ's sake– has received notices from the Feds to close both it's locations.
     
    This along with my clients Santa Barbara Care Center who received a similar notice. The question needs to be put: If the current administration meant what it said, why is this happening? More important, why not take the electoral votes waiting for them in Colorado, Nevada, and maybe that bastion of bigotry, Arizona?
     
    Sent from my iPhone

     

    Pebbles Trippet <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 11 12:50PM -0700  

    Chris is exactly right.
    1) No one was asked if we wanted to be put on a separate unnecessary
    OpCannabis email list, in addition to SaveCannabis.
    2) For people who don't want a cannabis monopoly over distribution,
    Terry took the cake by monopolizing the list with two way conversations
    that turned into macho shouting matches oblivious to the rest of us,
    who increasingly found them gross, demoralizing and dumb, and dropped
    out.
    3) You are a lousy ambassador for your brand of prohibition. With
    "friends" like you, who needs enemies.
    4) There is no room in our community for a selfish sexist low-life
    bully intent on humiliation, infecting our paths of communication.
    5) Silence is golden. Non-response is eloquent. Go away.
    pebbles
     
     

     

 

    "Richard R. Muller" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 11 09:52PM  

    Hi all,
     
    What a terrible loss this would be! I am a member of Harborside as well as thousands of others, It would seem that the Fed's are attempting to De-fund ASA @ put a huge dent in Clone/seed availability with Oaksterdam Nursery @ 2 major clubs in danger of closing. I have not always agreed with the "BIG warehouse aproach" but much good has come from Harborside, the Lab they funded for Cannabis Testing (and later sold their interest), the high standards imposed by their buyers for all levels of their products, are now (industry) standards for most large MCD's. Oakland is in need of more MCD's not less.
     
    Not Happy with this news.
     
    Richard
     
    Sent from my BlackBerry® on the MetroPCS Network
     
    —–Original Message—–
    Sender: s..s@a2c2.us
    Reply-To: Dale Gieringer <s..s@a2c2.us>
    Cc: Kuhn Paul<s..s@a2c2.us>; Armentano Paul<s..s@a2c2.us>; Erik Altieri<s..s@a2c2.us>; Fendrick Sabrina<s..s@a2c2.us>; Stroup Keith<s..s@a2c2.us>; St. Pierre Allen<s..s@a2c2.us>; Dan Viets<s..s@a2c2.us>; Kent Norm<s..s@a2c2.us>
     
    —————————————————————————
    Another outrageous assault by the Obama administration on one of
    California's leading providers of safe and responsible access to
    medical marijuana.
    Medical marijuana supporters are planning to protest Obama's visit
    to the Fox Theater in Oaksterdam this July 23rd, more details
    forthcoming shortly.
    – Dale Gieringer
     
    Popular Oakland pot shop targeted for closure
     
    The Associated Press
     
    Wednesday, Jul. 11, 2012 | 12:24 PM
     
    http://www.fresnobee.com/2012/07/11/2905846/popular-oakland-pot-shop-targeted.html
     
    SAN FRANCISCO — An Oakland medical marijuana dispensary that's been
    billed as the largest pot shop on the planet is being targeted for
    closure by federal prosecutors in Northern California.
     
    Harborside Health Center spokeswoman Gaynell Rogers said U.S. Attorney
    Melinda Haag's office has threatened to seize the property where the
    popular dispensary has operated since 2006 as well its sister shop in
    San Jose.
     
    Rogers says employees found the complaints taped to doors at the two
    locations on Monday.
     
    Although medical marijuana is legal in California, court papers filed
    Sunday say the dispensaries are violating federal law by selling
    marijuana.
     
    The court action represents an escalation in a months-long, statewide
    crackdown on medical marijuana by Haag, who said last year she would
    try to shut dispensaries that were within 1,000 feet of schools, which
    Harborside isn't.
     
    http://www.fresnobee.com/2012/07/11/2905846/popular-oakland-pot-shop-targeted.html
     
    – __,_._,___

    —————————————————————————
     
    Attachment: http://drugsense.org/temp/phVLqQEhpX9909.html

     

    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 10 08:50PM -0700  

    But you still have not explained the tax in the initiative that he promoted for many many years? "Don't want" to…and "not gonna" are two different things, and what is painfully obvious by the text of the initiative is that he WAS GONNA.
     
    It is great that he did not want to pay taxes on cannabis, but the proof is in the pudding. It is in black and white in his own writing….
     
     
     

     

 

    Gary <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 11 12:16PM -0700  

    Wow that's an institution in the city and our industry!
     
    Change the world for the better!
     

     

    "Bob Swanson" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 11 11:48AM -0700  

    Journal of School Health
     
    Alcohol as a Gateway Drug: A Study of US 12th Graders
    <http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1746-1561.2012.00712.x/abstrac
    t>
     
    Abstract
     
    BACKGROUND: The Gateway Drug Theory suggests that licit drugs, such as
    tobacco and alcohol, serve as a "gateway" toward the use of other, illicit
    drugs. However, there remains some discrepancy regarding which drug-alcohol,
    tobacco, or even marijuana-serves as the initial "gateway" drug subsequently
    leading to the use of illicit drugs such as cocaine and heroin. The purpose
    of this investigation was to determine which drug (alcohol, tobacco, or
    marijuana) was the actual "gateway" drug leading to additional substance use
    among a nationally representative sample of high school seniors.
     
    METHODS: This investigation conducted a secondary analysis of the 2008
    Monitoring the Future 12th-grade data. Initiation into alcohol, tobacco, and
    other drug use was analyzed using a Guttman scale. Coefficients of
    reliability and scalability were calculated to evaluate scale fit.
    Subsequent cross tabulations and chi-square test for independence were
    conducted to better understand the relationship between the identified
    gateway drug and other substances' use.
     
    RESULTS: Results from the Guttman scale indicated that alcohol represented
    the "gateway" drug, leading to the use of tobacco, marijuana, and other
    illicit substances. Moreover, students who used alcohol exhibited a
    significantly greater likelihood of using both licit and illicit drugs.
     
    CONCLUSION: The findings from this investigation support that alcohol should
    receive primary attention in school-based substance abuse prevention
    programming, as the use of other substances could be impacted by delaying or
    preventing alcohol use. Therefore, it seems prudent for school and public
    health officials to focus prevention efforts, policies, and monies, on
    addressing adolescent alcohol use.

     

    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 11 11:21AM -0700  

    One foot in front of the other….
    Posted by Mickey Martin on July 11th, 2012
    I have had a long week. My mother passed on July 4th and I have spent the last week in Arizona’s insane heat wave dealing with her affairs, and arranging her service. It was beautiful and I am glad to find closure in that situation. My mother was a beautiful soul who became a cannabis activist in her later years, after I was threatened with a decade in federal prison for weed brownies. I know she is proud of my work to achieve cannabis freedom and is looking down on our movement with hope that we can see this thing through to the end.
    I also found myself embattled with another cannabis activist, who chose to make some regrettable comments on an email list because I mentioned my mother’s death in an email as reasoning why I had been absent from the discussion. The activist is named Terry Vail, who goes by the handle ColOrado. The statement that pushed me over the edge was this:
    …only an asshole like you would bring your mother’s death into the discussion.
    I admittedly handled the situation poorly, as I did not heed the advice of the very wise Pebbles Trippet, who asked me not to answer him. I should have listened to her. Instead, I decided to get down in the mud and exchange childish blows with this guy. Another person on the list called me on my shit, accusing me of acting like a teenage girl. While this statement somewhat hurt my feelings, it also was effective in making me take a step back to evaluate my strategy.
    What I discovered (between last night and when I woke up this morning) is that I had allowed my emotion and another person’s lack of empathy to get the better of me. I had indeed engaged in some teenage girl-like bantering and argument, that was more of a distraction than it was likely worth. I am okay with that. I am surely far from perfect, and every once in a while, I can definitely be quite childish in my approach to situations. Guilty as charged. For as much as I pride myself on being a critical thinker, sometimes I wear my emotion on my sleeve and my lack of filter can sometimes get me into hot water.
    So I had to step back and examine why I was so pissed and what the fuck I was fighting with this cat for…
    Terry Vail operates Sacsterdam, a collective that is currently closed due to Federal pressure in Sacramento. Before closing the collective was operating under different management as Power Inn Wellness. He recently became more active in the open discussion that happens on a number of email forums, including Save Cannabis, an email list where I often post my thoughts and discussion points. CoLOrado became much more engaged as the AB 2312 discussion heated up, and for a moment, he had some extremely valid points and criticisms of the proposed legislation. For a brief moment, we were on the same page regarding the situation and both questioned the integrity of the leadership supporting the effort, and the strategies being deployed.
    But as the conversation heated up, what began as an intense debate about policy and the direction of the reform community evolved into a string of ad hominem attacks on people, and the policy discussion being had went by the wayside. For the past few weeks, the discussion seems to have grown into nothing more than one petty attack after another. I am not innocent of this by any means. I have engaged in some commentary and behavior that I am not proud of. I have said some things that I probably should not have, and have allowed myself to be engaged in a largely unproductive conversation that has made many question whether there was any hope at all for us as a movement. I have questioned the ability of the movement to come together and find ways to move forward, despite our obvious differences in opinion.
    There are some folks engaged in the discussion who hold views and beliefs that I will just never subscribe to. There are the views of Letitia Pepper, an attorney from the Riverside area that gained recognition for her opposition to Prop. 19 and her wild accusations of good people, like Richard Lee, whom she accused of working to undermine medical cannabis by turning over the industry to big business so that they can outsource all of the cultivation to Mexico and hold medical patients hostage to higher proces and limited supply…blah, blah, blah….
    There is Bruce Cain, who insists that we should take the all or nothing approach and work to make cannabis just like the average garden tomato. While a beautiful thought, I just do not see it as even a remote possibility and I do not choose to waste my time chasing unicorns that do not exist. His arrogance in his comments can be infuriating.
    I often disagree and argue with David Malmo-Levine and have more than once found myself engaged in petty bullshit attacks on one another.
    Add to the equation the noise of William West and other San Diego activists who have such a deep seated hatred for Don Duncan, ASA and anyone involved with that group that their entire dialogue is aimed at destroying them, and they often try to connect dots that simply are not there to achieve their objectives. Even when they have valid points, their efforts are often overshadowed by what is an obvious personal disdain for San Diego ASA and the organization as a whole.
    I could go on, but you get the point…..there is a lot of noise happening in the movement right now, and a lot of it lacks integrity, honesty, and too often fucking reality.
    But even with the folks I do not agree, I can find some validity in their argument at times, and I have come to realize that I do not hate these people. I do not believe that they really hate me either.
    I think we are all very passionate individuals with the desire to achieve similar goals. We are all the sum of our experiences, and often it is difficult for us to understand another’s views if we have not had those same experiences. We are all different people with different views, beliefs, and understandings of the world, and of course the cannabis movement/industry. This does not necessarily make us bad people or evildoers; but it does make it more difficult for us to move forward when we cannot hear and understand one another. Sometimes I feel like we are speaking different languages altogether. This often leads to frustration, which boils over into the personal attacks and overblown rhetoric that has become the norm in these discussions. The bottom line is that the volatility has boiled over, and now we are no longer even having policy discussions. We are just witnessing one petty personal battle snowball into an all out war, with some activists
    choosing sides, while most activists are simply turning away in disgust.
    We have to find a way to bring this discussion back to a civil discourse, where we can bring our ideas and thoughts to the table without the fear of it exploding into an all out war. As of about 11 pm last night I was prepared to escalate this war and continue the all out assault on Terry Vail, in some effort to find some weird revenge for a stupid off-color remark made to me in a time where I was hurting. I can be a real dick some times, and was preparing to take my dickishness to all new heights. It was about to get ugly….
    But Mr. Vail did reach out to me at 3:49 am and sent me this message:
    I read your blog “My Mom the Cannabis Warrior.” … very touching man. i knew you were the hero i thought you were. I am very truly sorry for your loss.
    I had also attempted to reach out to Mr. Vail in an attempt to find resolution a couple of days ago, and it kind of blew up in my face…..which is where my “teenage girl” took over and I allowed my raw emotion to convince my more rational self that anything less than all out war was unacceptable. I am glad ColOrado reached out to me. I am glad another person had the courage to call me on my teenage girl bullshit. And mostly I am glad I did not let my emotion make me do some shit I may later regret in some weird effort to make myself feel better.
    I am sure my mother’s spirit intervened and made ColOrado for some reason read my blog about her. I am sure she touched me this morning, as I woke up with a feeling that there has just got to be a better way. My mother was an extremely powerful woman while here on earth, so I can only imagine what she can do if there is a heaven and she has the ear of God directly. LOL. That is a truly scary thought….but could it be this flare up about my mother’s passing that forces me, and hopefully some others, to find better ways of interacting with one another? Could it be, that in passing, my mother has been able to teach me one more valuable life lesson? That these folks are no more my enemy than my closest friends.
    I am not sure where it all has begun to go so terribly wrong for us in our discussion. I am not sure where “I disagree with you” has too often become “go fuck yourself.” I am sure that I am guilty of escalating things at times, and using sensational rhetoric to get my point across. I can see where some of my comments and my approach has inflamed some and hurt others. I understand that I am better than this. I know we all are.
    So how do we begin to put one foot in front of another again? How can we find amicable resolution to what is currently a very fractured dialogue?
    Let me begin by issuing an apology….
    Sometimes in my writing and thought process I can be harsh and brutal in my criticisms of others. I am sorry if I have personally hurt people’s feelings. I will, in the future, try to keep my comments and discussion to one of policy debate and lose the personal attacks of calling people “crazy” or “nutjobs,” or any of the more colorful remarks that sometimes find their way into my head. I will do a better job to edit those out before going public with them. I am sure to still take issue with folks at times, and I am positive there will be times when I am still critical of those in this community. I think we have an obligation to one another to be real, and sometimes keeping it real means saying things that are critical of another. But I promise to work on a more constructive delivery and to try and step back from some of the sarcastic and hurtful overtones that overcome me at times. I will even make people a deal….if I said some off-color
    shit about you on Cannabis Warrior, send me a link and I will edit it out….how is that for an olive branch?
    I am willing to take the steps necessary to put down the guns and end the circular firing squad. As many elders and wise activists have pointed out amidst the chaos, we have a lot better shit to do with our time and a lot more real enemies that want to destroy us. While internal debate is both necessary and productive, when the entire discussion is overcome by vitriolic hyperbole, we lose. There is no getting around that.
    So I hope others will join me in a simple commitment to tone it down. I hope that Terry Vial will continue to find a less personal and conspiracy driven angle in his commentary. I hope Letitia Pepper will find ways to make her points without resorting to accusations and petty personal criticisms of those she disagrees with. I hope William West and Donna Lambert will understand that we know they do not care for ASA, but try to at least base their discussion in fact based criticisms and not put forth baseless accusations in an attempt to assert revenge. I hope I can find a more rational tone in my approach and work harder to make more intelectual points in my criticism, instead of relying on humorous caricatures and pointed questions. I hope that we can all find better ways of bringing our thoughts and ideas to the table….
    Right now, I think a lot of people in these discussions have simply quit listening. Who is that helping? None of us. We have allowed our egos to overcome our intellect, and in turn, we have failed our community by drowning out any real discussion with our rhetoric and hyperbolic bullshit. Can we stop it? Can we  get back to less “teenage girl” style discussion and begin to address one another like rational adults. I sure hope so. I am going to give it my best.
    So one foot in front of the other…step by step we can find ways to build this movement off of common goals and understanding. It will take work and it will take for all of us to realize that we are not nearly as cool as we think we are. Let’s begin to hear one another again…..
    I am a nobody in a sea of somebodies. We all are…Take the step. Put that one foot in fron of the other today and let’s keep moving towards cannabis freedom…We are better than our current situation. Let’s begin to act like it.
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..s@a2c2.us
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/micKEYmarTIN
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***

     

    PeaceLove <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 11 10:53AM -0700  

    Deleting the personal, unproductive dick-waving thread below is not
    censorship. It is appropriate moderating of a large list read by many
    people who want to move forward, not read a pissing match.
     
    The signal-to-noise on this SaveCannabis list is pretty damn high. I find
    myself deleting whole days' worth of messages because it isn't worth it to
    try to sort out the useless ad hominem attacks from the productive ideas
    and real news. If you have a legitimate beef against someone's cannabis
    activism or ideas, air it. But please spare me and others your back and
    forth insult throwdowns.
     
    Jonathan
     
     
     
    On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Terry Colorado

     

    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 10 08:59PM -0700  

    Well when you mom passes, I will attack you for mentioning it and then see what you act like….
     
    I have no issue with acting like a teenage girl…..a lot of teenage girls are way cooler than the folks sucking up the airspace on this list.
     
    But a person who anonymously attacks people under a fake name deserves what he has coming, teenage girl or not.
     
    Was my response childish…maybe? But sometimes you have to fight fire with fire….
     
     
     
     
     

     

 

 

    "Dr. Brazil" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 10 10:50PM -0700  

    I have had ENOUGH OF YOUR SICK bickering.. Evidentidently You are all Strong & Healthly & NOT fighting For Your LIVES!
     
      as well. I will take heed of Mickey's, & Mike Boutin's & William McPikes , attnyShut the F@ck up or FIGHT !!!  the unRightous Laws of the land, it's a lousy $2200..  to Fight County grow laws that are UNFAIR as Flip!
     
    You Don't know how McPike is.. He will give you the Legal briefs & location & HOW to fight! That Man Rocks.. I refuse to let you guys attack people That are Actually Trying to Do Something..
     
    THE ONE & ONLY THING SOME OF YOU ARE GOOD AT IS BITCHING!
     
    What are You Doing??? Throwing Rocks?? At What??
     
    EVIDENTLY- YOU GOT WAY TOO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS
     
       Get A HOBBY!
     
    SORRY NOT what all of you in your Comfey White Towers Wanna HEAR
     
    You that ARE IN this to This for $$$, … WE HAVE HAD IT WITH YOU! You Wanna TAX-???
    MORE TAX?? WTF??? Patients pay sales tax already!!! WE HAVE TO!
     
      IF YOU are NOT in THIS with TOTAL COMMITMENT for a Mission of Life Statement.. GET the FLIP OUT !!.. We HAVE HAD IT WITH YOU .. IT's ABOUT PATIENTS!!!
     
     TAKE ME ON!
     
    YOU WILL NOT WIN!@@  PROMISE YOU THAT!@@!
     
     Quadrapelegics  in such pain beyond pain, trapped in a useless body, a  Prison Like NO OTHER..
     w trach's,  hit by drunk driver's..They can't even talk!!! One is TEN YEARS trapped, & Still one of the Most positive & MY HERO- as is HER MOTHER…her commitment is ..  there is No words..
     
    Do YOU KNOW HOW MANY of these I got? or Parapelegic"S ?? On a daily Basis?? OR Veterans Missing BODY PARTS- you try it!
     
    you ain't gonna Win this one..  YOU ARE A PUNK, WHIMP, BITCHING, COMPLAINING ABOUT ZIP!!!
     
    I'm on the front lines…N FOR FREE I GIVE MED's n work endlessly – I LOVE WHAT I DO.. I BEG FOR DONATIONS FOR THE MED"S for Phoenix TEARS THAT HEAL.. I GOT PROOF & LIVING PATIENTS.. Cancer free, MS Patients that Walk!!! DOCUMENTED.. I Work with their Dr's, Hospices, caretakers – Whatever it takes.. I don't give a shit,
     
     I had that brain tumor & acts up everytime my Lupus attacks- hits my brain- N the Energizer Bunny ain't got nothing on me.. that SOB just goes around in circles banging a drum.. I GET THINGS DONE! I GET OVER IT,
     
    90% of this Group- … I will be nice,
    but You are taking up too much air.. You'd do far more use as cannabis fertilizer.. that would come as some good.
     
    "See what I see,
     
    YOU DON'T spend nights sleepwalking … my mind doesn't quit on how to HELP these Patients that lives are not as comfy as mine-
     
     I SEE.. coming to the club in Max heat, unloading in handicap vans & about to croak in this 107 degree heat today..or arriving BY WHEELCHAIR in this heat,, by sidewalk.. It doesn't matter if weather is PERFECT.. Do YA KNOW HOW MUCH EFFORT THAT TAKES,,,
     
     SHUT -UP WITH your Stupid Complaints of Parking Spots.. Angels should just Karma ya for That ONe!
     
    MY PATIENTS ARE BRAVER THAN ME… I COULD NOT DO IT… .. NO WAY!
     
    I COULD NOT BE THEM.. BUT.. I FIGHT FOR My Patients ,, n you SOB's in for the Buck- SUCK! AND YOU THAT JUST ARGUE POINTS- of law, of points & endless nothing.. Bite Donkey
     
    HANG WITH ME FOR ONE DAY!!@@
     
    ! YOU AIN'T GOT THE BALLS,,
     
     YEP, I'm Pissed!
     
    98*% of you on this string CAN GRIPE, JUDGE, ATTACK.. CRITIZE.. crawl outa your beds in the morning , with eaze & Don't have to pull up in front of my collective in a Wheelchair van, OR COME to my Club BY wheel-chair.. or
    ask for comapassion weed, which will Be The BEST I Can Grow Myself Or Get MY HAnds On.. Some folks asking is more traumatic than anything.. I NEVER MAKE EM FEEL LIKE THAT.. & give em Angel Bags.. at least an ounce, MY FARMERS ROCK, I get it as I can..
     
    – NOR DO YOU BEG your Farmer Patients to supply the the amount of med's They Need For Free,,,
     
    SOME STAND FOR THE CAUSE— From What I READ ON THIS STRING..
    YOU GUYS STAND  TO ONLY TO BITCH LIKE BITCHES.. can't even agree on what freeway to exit to get to Taco-Bell
     
    I'm A Bitch, That Fights & WILL BEG For More Than Most of You Stand For
     
     
                                  MAJOR LOSERS!!! 
    GO AHEAD CENSOR MY LIL TINY MONKEY BUTT!!!
     DR TAMMY— PATIENT FIGHTER!
     
    theQueen of Dragons  non-profit Collective & Club
    5044 Shasta Dam Blvd, Shasta Lake City, CA. 96019        [530] 276-9771
     
    Do not meddle in the dealings of Dragons
     For YOU are crunchy & taste good with ketchup 
     
    Empowering People To Help Themselves
     
    Dr Tammy K Brazil ND, CTN, DN, MDH, PhD

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 10 10:11PM -0700  

    welcome back! I still am thankful youve connected so many. But yes
    theres abit of chaos going on I belive but got lost abit myself that
    we were also linked to this op# group and several mostly industry but
    now even myself have grown very irrate . Industry reps want off and
    put in several requests not honored , and I would like a rule about
    the first person who calls the other person their in debate with a
    goverment plant or some such stoopid shit ? Gets the dunce hat ?? Its
    happend both ways industry reps have accused their critics or anyone
    not drinking the koolaide at gunpoint and now the same idiotic
    disstraction is being used in reverse. Its a boring yet effective
    method of not addressing the issue raised .
     
     

    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

July 2, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 12 Messages in 9 Topics

    Pebbles Trippet <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 02 06:39PM -0700  

    AB 2312 FELL
    SHORT
     

     

 

    "Bill McPike" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 02 10:53AM -0700  

    Here's an update on my suit against Fresno Co.
     

     
    Frez banned all growing, unless one buys a business
     
    License & grows in a MFGing zone, waives constitutional rights, etc.
     
    As a patient, I objected by filing suit.
     

     
    I can't go to the appellate court until the judge's
     
    Signed order is entered via notice of entry of judgment.
     

     
    Now the County atty is doing this notice of entry of judgment.
     

     
    When I get a court filed copy of the entry I can go to the
     
    Appellate court in Fresno. 5th DCA. I estimate my actual costs
     
    Will be around $2,200.00.
     

     
    Bill McPike
     

     

     

     
    Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 9:56 AM
     

     
    If you are referring to the order on the preliminary injunction, it was
    signed. I'll send out a notice of entry.
     

     
    Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 1:03 PM
     

     

     
    Mike,
     
    I signed approval on that written order you prepared.
     
    Was it ever signed?
     
    Bill

     

    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 02 06:05AM -0700  

    WORTH REPEATING: Dear Feds….Is it worth it?
    Posted by Mickey Martin on July 2nd, 2012
    Dear DEA Agent assigned to follow my website (and any other law enforcement schleps with this assignment),
    PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE AROUND THE OFFICE, as it is very important….
    I am writing you to simply ask, “Is it worth it?” Is the lousy paycheck you and your colleagues receive to decimate people’s lives over a safe, enjoyable and helpful plant worth it? I mean, how do you sleep at night knowing that the work you do to feed your family destroys countless others? That must weigh heavy on you. You make your living off of injustice and basic immorality. You have been brainwashed to treat us as worthless criminals, when all we are doing is using a plant that has killed no one and has helped many. The time for this madness to end is NOW, and the foot soldiers in this army of intolerance must begin to declare that they are no longer comfortable with imprisoning our neighbors, and generally good people, over a plant. You MUST begin to look past your paycheck, and your position and think about the damage your marching orders are causing the society you live in. You can not do this any longer. It is not worthy of your time,
    energy, training, or expertise. This is NOT what you signed up for.
    But look at it from a basic “mission” standpoint. The war on cannabis has been waged in this country for decades. Does anyone over there really think that there are less drugs available, or less people using drugs these days than when you guys began this crusade? Of course not. Your mission has ultimately failed, but more so, the mission of law enforcement is generally “public safety,” which from my accounts the black market for cannabis has incredibly DECREASED public safety by leaps and bounds. The real dangers of cannabis lie in the fact that we have turned over the entire market to people who are okay with being considered criminals. Not that there are not good and honest people selling pot on the streets, but there are also fringe elements who see the ability to profit greatly by risking their freedom to do so. Not exactly the best pool of candidates to put in charge of drug distribution. Generally, the current drug dealer system you have
    left in place as low hanging fruit to pad your arrest numbers to justify more funding leaves a lot to be desired, including checking for ID’s or ensuring that cannabis is safe and of good quality. Instead, you have left zero controls in place, have allowed for the illicit cannabis market to boom, and are responsible for thousands of deaths every year from violence associated with illicit drug markets gone wrong. Way to go.
    So your mission is an ultimate failure and you should be ashamed that you continue to wake up every day and take part in one of the gravest injustices of our time. The next time your kid asks you about your job, be sure to mention that part of your position includes taking other parent’s away from their children because they grow safe and effective plants. Do not leave that out. If you cannot bring yourself to be honest with your own children, then chances are you should not be on the door kicking committee to enforce laws that question another parent’s ability to raise their children. But chances are you are too big of a coward, or have had so much governmental smoke blown up your ass that you think you are somehow doing the right thing. Newsflash: YOU ARE NOT.
    Cannabis prohibition is immoral. The fact that our society imprisons people for a safe, enjoyable and helpful plant is despicable.  Just ask yourself, “Why do I kick in the doors of cannabis gardens, and allow any asshole with a cash register and a liquor license to sell as much poison and booze that, more times than not, does cause actual harm?” That is a tough question to answer, and is likely way beyond yours, or my, pay grade. There is no easy answer because it is an answer shrouded in deception and based on a lie. This “war” is a contrived war formed in a time of intolerance, and perpetuated as a very profitable way of fleecing good people for their freedom in an effort to line the pockets of big businesses, like privatized prisons, drug testing/rehab firms, booze dealers, big pharma, the legal system, and, yes, your very own law enforcement lobbies vying for that sweet federal grant money for more militarized weaponry
    and personnel to fight this immoral war. You are being used as a pawn, not to help make the world a better safer place, but to line the pockets of the greedy few who set up this shell game to create criminals where there were none, and to create a demand for more law enforcement. You are the sucker they have paid to investigate, interrogate and imprison your neighbors for a safe and enjoyable plant. You are the face of this war and you continue to march blindly into battle destroying the lives of good people for their choice to grow and use cannabis. I will ask you again…how do you sleep at night?
    This is just plain insanity. The prohibition of cannabis has done zero to curb the availability of cannabis. If anything it has expanded its availability to our youth and have given innumerable resources to those who operate in the black market. It has directly funded the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent people caught in the crossfire of a failed war on a safe plant. This is not a war that will ever be won, or even accomplish anything positive. You continue to fight this insane war in the name of the law, but the law is so clearly the problem. Yet, like a good soldier, you continue to kick in doors, follow people around, invade others’ privacy, and destroy peoples’ lives over this ultimate failure. Why? I know the money is not that good. I mean relatively speaking, the rank and file law enforcement charged with carrying out these heinous acts of tyranny do not see the millions being made from prohibition. Sure…you get more overtime
    and  more fancy enforcement equipment, but most of you are never getting rich off being cops. Which is why I feel so sad for you guys. I mean you dedicate your lives to being a public servant for average incomes to help make the world a better place, and instead are charged with arresting and jailing good people over an otherwise very safe, and often times, very helpful plant. That is some bullshit. You should be outraged. You are better than this.
    It is unthinkable that your paycheck depends on your willingness to perform cruel and unusual acts of violence on people who enjoy cannabis. You know, as well as I do, that our Government never had the right to outlaw cannabis in the first place. The burden of proof for harm and danger are just not there. It does not exist. As a law enforcement person you likely do come across cases where REAL dangerous drugs are concerned and real harm is done, like overdosing and serious addiction. But you do not see that with cannabis, do you? Show me the bodies. There are none. You know that. You are not as dense as your superior officers think. You are smart enough to stand back and say, “What the fuck are we wasting our time on this shit for?” Almost every reasonable cop I have ever come across, when presented with the facts, is sympathetic to our cause of cannabis freedom. I am sure you are no different.
    Deaths per year
    So what is the solution? Well….get another job. I know, that is not likely your best answer, as you have trained and worked hard to become a law enforcement officer. But do not be like the Nazi guy who ran the ovens at the concentration camps. Don’t you think at some point that guy was like, “Hey, this is probably a bad idea and I may burn in hell for this.” Of course he did. And he likely IS burning in hell right now because he did not stand up and speak out about the bullshit. He just continued to do his job and was ultimately responsible for the death of millions. Just like YOU are responsible for the death of those caught up in the drug war, and YOU are responsible for destroying the lives of people who you take to jail, or charge with a crime, or whose kids you take from their parents fighting a failed war on a safe, enjoyable, and helpful plant.
    The answer is to refuse to participate in this madness any longer. If that costs you your job, then so be it. You would be better off flipping burgers with a clear conscious than knowing you willfully participated in one of the most heinous and immoral actions ever taken up by a Government against their own people. That day of reckoning is coming, and when we end this insane prohibition and restore cannabis to our communities, be sure I will be there to expose the cowards who chose to continue this failed war on our citizenry. If you want to be on that long list of assholes who are guilty of war crimes against their own people then just keep marching in step with the big businesses and lobbying groups who give you your marching orders. But when we overcome this tyranny, be sure I will be requesting that every foot soldier in the war against cannabis is tar and feathered for their actions against humanity.
    I have had the honor of working with many really great people in law enforcement who understand this war can no longer continue. You are not alone. It is not too late to join the ranks of the sane an informed law enforcement folks who have had the courage to say “enough is enough.” Find that courage in you, and do what it takes to help us end this failed war on a safe, enjoyable and helpful plant. It is the right thing to do.
    The original question I posed was “Is it worth it?” I think you know deep in your heart it is not, and now it is just time to do what is right and refuse to continue to sacrifice your own personal morals for a lousy paycheck. We only live once, so you must decide if you can live with being a war criminal enforcing bad policy; or if you will be a hero and call for an end to these immoral and unjust actions against cannabis users. Do the right thing….
    If you need help on how to do the right thing, contact Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. They can help you find your voice and a better life free from the evils of being a prohibition enforcer.
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..s@a2c2.us
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/micKEYmarTIN
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
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    David Malmo-Levine <s..s@a2c2.us> Jul 01 11:52PM -0700  

    You drink ten double expressos after fasting for a day or two you'll see
    things that are not there – you even risk death. You may die from eating
    ten raw potatoes. Cannabis is safer than coffee beans and potatos
    ultimately it should be regulated like coffee beans and potatos. Where i
    part company with the tomato model militants is that i believe the wine
    model is an acceptable incremental step.
     
    On 2012-07-01 5:28 PM, "Mickey Martin" <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
     
    If we are really sitting here talking about cannabis being the equivalent of
    twinkies, coffee, and oregano then we are not talking about the same plant.
     
    Cannabis has far more euphoric properties, capable of making people
    hallucinate. If you do not believe me I got some space dabs over here for
    you to try on an empty stomach. Cannabis is a powerful plant-based
    substance. Let's not pretend that we are talking about a box of twinkies.
    That is offensive.
     
    I agree all medicine should not be taxed, but under the current framework
    of law the only medicines that are not taxed are in a classification that I
    think would destroy the cannabis industry as we know it. Tylenol is taxed.
    Should it be? No. But it is….I would rather shoot for that classification
    if we are working on medical classification….which IMO is not the
    greatest idea.
     
    I do not want to pay taxes. Who does? I do not want to do a lot of shit
    this society makes me do. I do not like where they spend a lot of my money.
    But there also has to be a matter of practicality. To me, paying $100+ a
    year to get a doctor's note is a tax in of itself….one that some cannot
    afford, which is why people still go to jail for weed, even in California.
     
     
     
     
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.co…
    ——————————
     
     
    *Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:08 PM
     
     
     
     
    Coffee isn't taxed. Oregano isn't taxed– Even if you intend to smoke it
    for recreation. Twinkie…
     

June 29, 2012 – Digest for s..s@a2c2.us – 25 Messages in 12 Topics

    Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 29 09:27PM -0700  

    Great work Mickey; you got me? I got you bro; while exposing me … you
    exposed yourself. At first, mother fucker you were my hero … and i would
    have bought your bitch ass tickets; but you let me down brother. Now what?
     
    Once major exception; do not lump me in with that sorryass organization
    that ran power inn wellness. I'm true blue Sacsterdam Collective inc, a
    non-profit; mutual benefit corporation; bro. i've got the paperwork to
    prove it.
     
    You can catch my page at www.facebook.com/sacsterdam
     
    col0rado
    Herald at Arms
    of the Cannabis Nation
     
    marijuanahomepage.com
    ASAbook.org
    #opcannabis
    #sacstertweets
     
    Listserv:
    #OpCannabis
    s..s@a2c2.us
     
     
     
     

     

 

 

 

    jeff j <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 28 10:06PM -0700  

    Cannabis and Man kind have had a symbiotic relation since creation! It always has been medicine even if you think it is just social…. The Government is about control and they protect and serve the fictional commercial money system. cannabis and all war is a war on nature and to impose synthetics … Obama care is not about health care it is about controlling the U.S. #1 resource the people that are the Equity of the Government machine… Cannabis is considered a commercial crime against revenue laws and the DEA was created under the Department of the treasury go figure … People are totally clueless what is going on and all the arguing is not fixing the real crux of the issue… we the people have to take control of the Republic again.Voting in the fictional Democracy know as The UNITED STATES is nothing more then voting for your favorite corporation that does not represent you. The republic died at the civil war and the ending of the gold standard was the final nail in the coffin….the 14th amendment and then the New deal implemented a legal fiction society and the people are considered its product this has nothing to do with the real republic aka we the people … the Democracy is the matrix that has us all blind to the true nature of existence.
    On Jun 28, 2012, at 8:03 PM, David Malmo-Levine wrote:
     

     

    "andrew garret" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 29 08:07PM -0700  

    Not that anyone really cares, but I just found out that "Dollar Tree" is
    selling MARIHUANA Home Drug Test's for only a dollar. . . . something
    call EasyScreen, and they claim that is is 97% accuracy.
     
    What won't they think of next.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 29 07:14PM -0700  

    Yeah … BUT … the initiative you are working on Mickey only allows a
    limited number of dispensaries isn't that correct; 25 instead of the 80+
    that used to distribute? Restrictive permitting.
     
     
    col0rado
    Herald at Arms
    of the Cannabis Nation
     
    marijuanahomepage.com
    ASAbook.org
    #opcannabis
    #sacstertweets
     
    Listserv:
    #OpCannabis
    s..s@a2c2.us
     
     
     
     
    On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Mickey Martin

     

    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 29 08:05PM -0700  

    Actually dumbass, it allows for one for every 25,000 people. It also
    increases the number from zero, which it is now, to over 20….and it lifts
    the ban on patient and collective cultivation. It also allows for the BoS
    to allow for more. You have zero idea of what you speak, and the definition
    of "permitting" in itself implies restrictions.
     
    Still haven't found your real name yet, eh coward?
     
     
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    "s..s@a2c2.us" <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 28 10:11PM -0700  

    The transaction is not taxed. The income earned from it is. That is
    incorporated into the price…
     
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    Sent: Fri, Jun 29, 2012 04:58:20 GMT+00:00
     
    Mickey,
     

     
    Shit that is sold on the "wholesale" level is not taxed.
     

     
    Bill McPike
     

     
    Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:57 AM
     

     
    Cannabis is not food. It is also not a prescription drug. If a person is
    "growing crops" then they are not taxed, until the crop is SOLD. Shit that
    is sold is taxed. End of story.
     

     
    You say "WE are supposed to be the government." Well then WE have our head
    up our asses. But the reality is that "WE" are about 10-13% of the society
    we live in. WE are outnumbered by a long shot. So it doesn't matter what
    utopian unicorn philosophy WE come up with because WE do not have the
    numbers to back it up.
     

     
    This is a stupid argument….weed will be legal and it will be taxed and
    people will eventually quit going to jail for weed…..live with it.
     

     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
     
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    Pebbles Trippet <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 29 08:01AM -0700  

    In People v Mower, the Supremes ruled that marijuana is "no more
    illegal than" prescription drugs and should be treated the same.
    Mower's conviction was voided.
     
    The Mower court did not say marijuana should not be taxed; taxation
    was not at issue.
    But there is that implication.
     
    Since prescription medicine is not taxed in this country, except in
    Illinois,
    if Ca decides to regulate and tax as a matter of law, it could be used
    as precedent to apply a new tax
    to other medicines based on equal protection, introducing another
    layer of hostility toward medical cannabis.
     
    Taxation on full legalization, but not medicine, avoids that issue…
     
    Home gardens not being subject to regulation avoids another level of
    complaints.
     
    pebbles
     

     

    Tom Davenport <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 29 03:00PM -0700  

    Mickey, all that fast food must be hardening the arteries in yer head
    if you believe raw, herbal cannabis is not food 😉
     
    Fresh (undried) RAW cannabis is a whole 'nother ball game from
    cooked. Water leaves, or other leaves, can be incorporated into
    salads and benefit w/out buzz. Anyone experiencing the inevitable
    aches and pains of an aging body will benefit from this.
     
    Even immature bud, uncooked, seems to produce little, if any, buzz.
    Use an oil containing dressing – helps our humanoid digestion digest
    the cellulose.
     
    Both fresh leaf and immature bud work well juiced into smoothies with
    Wheat Grass and Purslane – making it taste tolerable is the main
    challenge. You can find out about wheat grass juices' nutritional
    benefits pretty easy. Purslane is less well known in this context.
    It's very high in C complex vitamins and, in combination w. wheat
    grass juice and fresh cannabis, will make your body feel a whole lot
    better than it did before drinking it.
     
    While it is highly possible to make these smoothies actually taste
    good, rather than just endurable, it takes additional inputs of
    apples, other fruits/berries and banana (for sweetness/body) to do
    it. Assembling the ingredients in the 'right' sequence also
    influences how well the recipe works. Acerola C powder and Modified
    Citrus Pectin are also good in the smoothies, but have to be added at
    the right stage sequentially to get them to mix well. Don't overlook
    Chocolate – in addition to its well known delights, it also has the
    ability to help disguise disagreeable flavors. Most commercial
    chocolate is loaded w. added sugar and other unhealthy crap, so
    caveat emptor on that. Carob powder would be worth experimenting
    with but I've not done it.
     
    It was an accidental discovery finding out that ingesting dried trim
    shake will give you a bit of buzz if it's been sitting around a while
    – I put some in a (winter) smoothie and was shocked that I got a mild
    buzz. Apparently CBD converts to THC even at mild room temps after
    sitting around a while.
     
    Most outdoor growers I know munch on leaves while working in the
    garden. You get used to the flavor, which is spicy; not any spicier
    than Roquette/Arugula in a salad. Of course, I'm referring to
    organic herb here.
     
    We're not into poisoning ourselves, others and the environment like
    the ChemDawg growers, both indoors and out, who would need a brain
    transplant if ill informed enough to eat, vaporize or smoke anything
    that's been sprayed w. Avid or any of a host of other toxic chemicals
    that flakey growers use.
     
    On Jun 29, 2012, at 12:44 AM, Terry Colorado wrote:
     

     

 

 

    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 29 06:48AM -0700  

    The fundraising pitch…"We are not like the rest of them. Give us your
    money. I am just a poor attorney looking to donate hundreds of thousands of
    dollars of legal help to patients in need….but hoping one day to collect
    private attorneys fees from patients and providers…."
     
    For the record, we are finishing up an effort to qualify a ballot
    initiative in Sacramento County that *lifts a ban on a patient's right to
    cultivate*, as well as *expands access in Sacramento County*. "Crusader for
    Patients Rights" director Lanette Davies owns a dispensary in Sacramento.
    They have to date provided ZERO resources in the way of funding or manpower
    to this effort. So DO NOT BELIEVE THE HYPE. If they were really "crusading
    for patients rights" supporting an effort to lift a ban on every patients'
    right to cultivate would be a no brainer. No such luck, no such support.
     
    As for picketing when a person's club is taken…..I do not recall anyone
    asking for support on this effort. I do recall you shutting down in Novato,
    correct? From a landlord letter, correct? Did you guys organize a response
    that did not get responded too? I do not recall hearing about it, but would
    be happy to organize one with you any time and work on a response.
     
    Be Well…Mickey
     
     
    > Dan Rush said:
     
    > Mickey is right. You want a no-taxed prescription environment… welcome
    > to
     

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    David Fiedler <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 29 02:34PM -0700  

    > arthritis who get fast pain relief by just using alcohol in which cannabis
    > leaves have been soaked — an old Mexican remedy that works, and is CHEAP
    > and doesn't hurt your liver or kidneys.
     
     
    Just as an aside to the bitter wrangling here, that there remedy is
    actually the origin of the slang term "pot" according to something that's
    been floating around the interwebz: "Pot comes from the Spanish word
    Potiguaya, which means Marijuana Leaves. It’s a Mexican-Spanish word that
    is a contraction of potación de guaya, which referred to an alcoholic drink
    made of marijuana leaves soaked in Brandy or Wine. The name became popular
    in the United States in the late 1930s."

     

    Letitia Pepper <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 29 12:52PM -0700  

    (1)  I never said I was filing a CEQA lawsuit against Sacramento County, so don't hold your breath, and
     
    (2) Lanette Davies said "We don't want an unruly group opening up all across the city; we want
    safe access for patients. When they open, we want to know
    they're doing the right thing. One bad apple can make the whole group
    look bad."
     
         Saying you want reasonable regulations for safe access is NOT the same as saying you want to limit the NUMBER of dispensaries.

     

 

    CSPARC Sacramento <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 29 01:14PM -0700  

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    Unfortunately it looks like we will likely come up short for making the
    November Ballot. That is the bad news. We needed 42,300 signatures and we
    came up with about 25,000 and still counting, so far. The reality is that
    we never had enough money and the money we did have was too little too
    late. It has been a rough time for fundraising and the eight statewide
    petitions that we were competing with were overwhelming. We needed to have
    our signatures in by Monday at the latest to ensure we made the cutoff for
    the November ballot. We missed that goal.
     
    THE GOOD NEWS…We still have until July 23rd to get the signatures we need
    to make a future ballot. It would take a bold and unified effort from the
    activist community to make it happen. Believe we have not given up by any
    means; but WE NEED HELP. LIKE NOW!
     
    We need at least another 40-50,000 signatures to qualify this. It sounds
    like a lot. The reality is that it is; but it is FAR FROM IMPOSSIBLE. I am
    not sure if there is any renewed sense of urgency in the patient and
    activist community in CA and in Sacramento, but if you ever wanted to step
    up and do your part to make cannabis more accessible for patients and help
    us lift the ban on patient and collective cultivation in Sac County, YOU
    MUST ACT NOW!
     
    If 100 Activist and Supporters committed to gathering 500 signatures each
    over the next 3 weeks, we could pull this off. I can commit to my 500 right
    now. If any other activists want to step up to the plate to help us pull
    this thing off call(phone#-removed); or email s..s@a2c2.us. We will
    get you all set up. We still have our offices open and Kimberly will still
    be working until we are finished.
     
    We unfortunately cannot afford to pay signature gatherers any longer, as
    our funding commitments decided to restock the war-chest for another run at
    this initiative in the near future; but we do have a lot of good incentives
    for activists and volunteers who want to help us keep going.
     
    It continues to be a great campaign. We have seen and learned a lot about
    the community and have been very grateful from the response we
    have received by most all. It has been refreshing to be a part of. Much of
    the patient and activist community has come together to find a more unified
    voice. It is inspiring. We understand the magnitude of the project we have
    taken on and hope we can finish it off with a great last push from the
    dedicated Sacramento patient community,
     
    BUT YOU MUST GET OFF THE COUCH AND COLLECT SOME SIGNATURES NOW IF WE WANT
    THIS TO HAPPEN. That is the bottom line. We are well on our way, but we
    will need some hard work and dedication over the next weeks to qualify the
    Patients Access to Regulated Medical Cannabis Act for a future ballot. A
    miracle is not likely to happen; but a SOLID EFFORT from a passionate and
    unified community could still get us to our ultimate goal of patient access
    to personal choice cannabis medicines.
     
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    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 29 10:49AM -0700  

    Chess with pigeons…..Lanette Davies has ALWAYS supported limiting who can
    operate:
     
    http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=123095
     
    For many years, roughly five dispensaries operated in the city of
    > safe access for patients," Davies said. "When they open, we want to know
    > they're doing the right thing. One bad apple can make the whole group look
    > bad."
     
     
    She use ASA as a platform to try and edge out the other dispensaries there.
    Let us not try to change history on the CnnaCare legacy now.
     
    And this in support of the ordinance:
     
    http://calpotnews.com/sacramento-city-council-drops-cap-on-dispensaries/
     
    Lanette Davies, co-director of Canna Care dispensary, called the agreement
    > community than anyone ever has,” she said. “They set this up to look after
    > the safety of the communities and also took the time to make sure the
    > dispensaries are safe.”
     
     
    BTW, all of Sac County is waiting for you to file that lawsuit then. You
    should really get to know the groups you promote, though.
     
    Your hyperbole just does not hold water. Sorry.
     
     
    On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Letitia Pepper <s..s@a2c2.us>wrote:
     
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    David Malmo-Levine <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 28 10:25PM -0700  

    I agree that med pot distributors should not be making millions. But I
    think doctors and lawyers should also not make millions for the same reason
    – nobody's "services" are worth that much. The people most loudly calling
    for limits on profits in the pot industry stop at the pot industry and
    never ever discuss the industry they belong to – for obvious reasons.
     
    On 2012-06-28 9:55 PM, <s..s@a2c2.us> wrote:
     
    it is way more than a decent living when collective "owners" personally
    share with me some millions of $$ they are working on laundering. So,
    plenty of collective owners are making way, way more than a fair wage.
     
    But this issue aside, the collective model was never to be pounds in and
    pounds out. The growers are to be a part of the collective and provide
    their services and expenses to the collective. The current model in the
    stores is no where close to "compassionate". Flowers are being purchased
    for $1800 and resold in the collectives for nearly $7k/pound when you see
    the $75 eights and even more.
     
    I would love people to begin sharing any collectives who are following this
    model. The collective needs to be growing all their own flowers or have
    members of their collective that grow under a legal Designation Letter from
    the management of the collective. Ideally, all the growers' flowers would
    be distributed inside the collective.
     
    It is huge cash profits and deviance from the intention of the collective
    model that has led to the downfall of so many stores. The physicians have
    cooperated by making a mockery of the "Recommendation Letter".
     
    I wish I felt better about what has happened, but I just don't see a bright
    future for the current model.
     
    Allan I Frankel, MD
     
     
    > Date: Thu, June 28, 2012 8:52 am
    > To: savecannabis@a2…
     
    > "The right to make a living is what legalization is all about" FYI,
    people are allowed to make a …
     
     
    >> From: David Malmo-Levine <s..s@a2c2.us>
    >> Subject: [Save Cannabis] Those who argu…
     
    >> Shame on you "activists" that would deny the pioneers of the cannabis
    movement a decent living. Y…
     
     

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    Dennis Hinze <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 26 12:56AM -0700  

    It's all your fault, Mickey! All to your credit? Ultimately, it was bad legislation. That's reason enough.
     
     
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    Pebbles Trippet <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 26 03:25AM -0700  

    I believe the reason Ammiano pulled his bill is because the entire
    patient community,
    including ASA and MAPP, freaked out, calling it a "disaster", that at
    the urging of the League of Cities,
    he had replaced the clause requiring a vote of the people to ban
    collectives with the clause
    allowing a simple vote of a local legislative body to ban collectives —
    "if an ordinance or regulation authorizing that restriction has been
    lawfully enacted by the city, county or city and county".
     
    This new language would have authorized bans by statute from a simple
    vote of a Board of Supervisors or City Council
    rather than voters at an election and ASA would have been held
    responsible for the setback.
     
    From what Lanny has reported, ASA insisted the language be reversed
    to include the original voter requirement for bans clause
    before the Senate Committee proceeded to a vote, potentially
    recommending that AB2312 be sent to the Senate floor for consideration.
    Lanny put out an "emergency" call for the community to contact the
    Senate Committee members, urging them to reject the prohibition
    language.
    To avoid a civil war, Ammiano pulled the plug.
     
    The medical cannabis community has clearly reached the point where we
    will not tolerate bans of our rightful collective associations,
    judging by how the prohibitionists' ban-enabling legislation was just
    stopped, even though it meant derailing the legislation until next year.
     
    My guess is that neither ASA nor CaNORML knew that Ammiano had gone
    along with the League of Cities on the language swap
    and that it was done as a behind-closed-doors breech of principle to
    enable the passage of the bill in the Assembly.
     
    Once it passed, it was too late to reverse course…the prohibitionist
    strategy was underway,
    that strategy being to cement city and county bans of patient
    collectives thru enabling legislation passed by the Legislature
    to advance a prohibition agenda over the next year before the Supreme
    Court can issue its ruling banning bans as an impermissible
    modification of 215.
     
    Under the circumstances, ASA did the right thing by refusing to go
    along with the ban plan, even though it meant abandoning the
    legislation.
     
    This incident points out how precarious working with politicians is
    and suggests that ballot initiatives, where the voters legislate, is a
    wiser course.
     
    It would be nice if we could have some transparency about the strange
    process that just happened.
    ASA, CaNORML, MAPP, please share with us what is going on.
     
    pebbles
     
     
     

     

    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 26 06:50AM -0700  

    It is always all my fault…..and the kind of credit I get is never a good thing. LOL.
     
    Hopefully we are talking adult use for an initiative. Maybe CO will get it done and open the door for real progress. I think it is gonna be bigger though…
     
    Summer of Buds…
     
     
     

     

 

    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 26 08:20AM -0700  

    I am pretty sure they knew. That language has been swapped for weeks.
     
    I will disagree with you (and others) on 19, Mike. Yes..,it did allow for cities and Counties to opt out of having weed stores, but I would trade that in a minute to quit arresting tens of thousands of mostly poor people every year for weed. Was 19 perfect….not even close. But by my metric it decreased prohibition, and did not expand it.
     
    Net positive for cannabis freedom. I am not silly enough to believe the perfect situation will arise from a broken system. I base my support on a simple rubric…will more people or less people go to jail for weed?
     
    Simple stuff….
     
     

     

 

 

 

    Dale Gieringer <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 26 11:37PM +0100  

    Cal NORML endorsed Prop 19 only with reluctance, on a very close vote by our board.
    Previous to doing so, we did everything we could to dissuade Richard from pursuing it, but once he decided to do so we felt we had no choice but to support it.
    As for taxation, our view has always been that cannabis should be regulated like alcohol, and therefore subject to taxation. Prescription use should be tax exempt, but cannabis is not presently available by prescription, but rather by recommendation, which is legally different. At present MMJ is most comparable to Chinese herbal medicines, which are subject to sales tax.
     
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    Dale Gieringer <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 26 11:42PM +0100  

    Pebbles
    You are quite right that none of us were consulted beforehand about the League of Cities amendment. After it was adopted we dropped our support for the bill as amended.
    Dale
     
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    Mickey Martin <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 26 09:21AM -0700  

    AB 2312 dies a mysterious death
    Posted by Mickey Martin on June 26th, 2012
    Your guess is as good as mine as to why CA Assemblyman Tom Ammiano pulled AB 2312 before it had a chance to reach the State Senate. Some think it was because the Amendments concerning the tax rate and the allowance of cities and counties to ban dispensaries with a simple resolution gave too much power to our opposition. It could be because Ammiano knew he did not have the votes in its current form, and knew that it would be amended further beyond recognition in the Senate. The result was an abrupt yanking of the legislation yesterday with little notice or discussion.
    Some may think I opposed AB 2312. That is not a valid assessment. My position was one of non-support versus opposition. I will NEVER support an effort that expands prohibition, whether or not I believe it is a necessary evil. It is just not going to happen. If there is an initiative, legislation, ordinance, or resolution that limits the existing structure and increases the amount of people who could potentially go to jail for weed, count me out. I am not with all that.
    But what is the future of medical cannabis in California without statewide regulations? Will the all-out assault on our community continue because this legislation failed? Not likely. I mean, I do not think that the US Attorneys are sitting in their office making decisions based on AB 2312, or any other law for that matter. The reality is those decisions are being made and shots are being called by the big business and lobbying groups that control our government. Has Colorado been hit less? Maybe….but they are also a cool 15 years behind California in cannabis evolution.
    What has happened in Colorado is undoubtedly expanded prohibition. There were almost 150,000 patients in the program in 2010. There are just over 90,000 now. After regulations came to be, many small growers went by the wayside and could not compete with the burdensome regulations. Those growers have went back to being outlaws. Tens of thousands of patients have decided it was easier to risk criminal sanctions than participate in the “program” there. Is that what we are working towards? Less access and more criminals to appease the feds? Why?
    It is this “fuck some people to save another” mentality that is worrisome, and is why AB 2312 was opposed by many in the community. The bill established a 9-person commission charged with regulating the industry. This is a huge mistake IMO. Why? Because it leaves too much to chance with a group who we have no idea of what they will think the right amount of regulations would be. A better idea is to actually spell out and establish the actual regulatory model in the legislation, and let everyone know just what the bill is going to do to the industry. I think we all can agree that the cannabis movement/industry does not do well with the unknown. There are a lot of very imaginative folks who can, and normally will, anticipate the worst. At least having a clear framework will allow people to agree or disagree on actual policy, instead of imagining what policy a commission will eventually hand down.
    But I think the longer we continue to fight for medical cannabis dispensaries (which I am a big fan of BTW), we are not fighting to quit taking people to jail for weed. Those are two very different projects. I have many friends that operate cannabis dispensing collectives. I would love to believe that there was a path to protecting their organizations. I just do not see it. The goal posts keep moving too much for that ever to be a reality.
    The real path to cannabis freedom and to a cannabis market where people can compete and work hard for their market share is adult use legalization. There is not time, resources, or energy in this movement to fight our battle on many different fronts. We must begin to consolidate our message and demand for an end to cannabis prohibition. I am glad that we have nearly 1,000 dispensaries in California and maybe a million delivery services. But I would NEVER trade what we have now for real cannabis freedom. I would never trade my limited medical immunity for the opportunity to feel free and relaxed in my life. I want for cops to quit searching my car and my pockets because I smell like weed. They still do that, even if I have a doctor’s note. That is the shit I want to end.
    So while AB 2312 has died a mysterious death, we can be sure this conversation will rear its ugly head again soon. I will remain neutral and in non-support if it is an effort that expands prohibition. I will continue to focus my efforts and energy on the bigger picture of ending this shit once and for all. If the rest of these Nancies want to keep begging for more rules from lawmakers to help protect their dispensaries from the long arm of Federal law then they can miss me on that shit. I will be the guy in the background screaming “QUIT TAKING PEOPLE TO JAIL FOR WEED. IT’S NOT WORKING!!!”
     
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