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June 20, 2012 – Digest for s..[email protected] – 14 Messages in 13 Topics

    Bud <s..[email protected]> Jun 20 12:34PM -0700  

    Double-checked the agenda yesterday and read the news, so it looks like the
    one-year ban will be agendized at a later meeting with the text of the
    proposed ordinance and required environmental findings. It will be very
    interesting to see if they attempt to invoke Gov. Code 65858 again or
    somehow try to pass it off as something other than an urgency ordinance.
    Pay very close attention to the council "findings" when the draft ordinance
    is posted; another GC 65858 finding and/or findings of no environmental
    impact are red flags.
     

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..[email protected]> Jun 19 10:31PM -0700  

    My response is simple jonathan . We dont employ were volunteer run.
    Were mostly disabled adults, veterans and elders . Many of whom when
    able body and able to make a gainful income? Did join unions . Ive
    spoken with dan about coalition bldg around the union helping more
    disabled patients gain part time employment in an industry built on
    our backs. And the union workers supporting an indepndant patient
    union of sorts. And us supporting you . I support your efforts and
    beleive your union should have a seat at the table . Its getting in
    bed with national policy ? That didnt sit right with us. Prevent the
    monopoly that hasnt supported you but used your lobby for their own
    self interest if I may be blunt and to the point. Share our call for
    accountablity and transperacny and reasonable amends to ab2312, unite
    here ….and now.
     
     
    —
    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    "Jonathan Hughes" <s..[email protected]> Jun 20 03:59PM  

    Shona,
     
    Thanks for your input. Jon
     
     
     
    –
    Jonathan Hughes
    UFCW Local 5
    240 South Market St
    San Jose, CA
    Office
    1(phone#-removed) ex.5629
    Direct Line
    (phone#-removed)

     

    Matthew Meyer <s..[email protected]> Jun 20 07:28AM -0700  

    Michael, thank you for sharing what appears to be a close transcription of
    the original hearings. It is very interesting indeed to read Woodward's
    remarks on the use of the term 'marihuana,' and I think that his testimony
    shows that the "mongrel" word served more than one function, and that
    indeed it did help obfuscate the object of the law until those interests
    that might have objected had too little time to mount a stronger defense.
     
    jtechappliances says we should stop worrying about terminology, implying
    once again that words are mere labels. But words are the most magical thing
    we know. A properly accredited minister, in the right situation, uses words
    to marry people. A judge, delivering a verdict in a case, uses words to
    liberate or imprison. All of us, every day, use words to reinforce our view
    of the world, finding confirmation of our views in our own language.
     
    I am generally persuaded of the truth of the late anthropologist Clifford
    Geertz's words, antiquated though his language may be, that "man is an
    animal suspended in webs of significance he himself has spun," and
    therefore, he writes, "I take culture to be those webs, and the analysis of
    it to be therefore not an experimental science in search of law but an
    interpretive one in search of meaning."
     
    The moral reprobation of cannabis has everything to do with the webs of
    words that have been spun around the various terms for it, and the
    "intertextual" links between discourses of race, sin, and the matter /
    spirit divide are what give substance and texture to the positions we find
    articulated in talk about it. There is, in my view, much more than a
    question of competing labels for the same objects at stake here.
     
     
     
    On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Michael Backes
     
    —
    Matthew Meyer
    PhD Candidate
    Anthropology Department
    University of Virginia

     

    Mickey Martin <s..[email protected]> Jun 20 07:22AM -0700  

    What the fuck are we fighting for anyway?
    Posted by Mickey Martin on June 20th, 2012
    The longer and harder I try to figure this out, the further I always seem from finding an answer. What the fuck are we fighting for anyway? Who knows any more?
    I always thought we were fighting for cannabis freedom. Real cannabis freedom….you know, grown-ass people being able to use weed for whatever they want whenever they want. Pretty simple stuff, right? How do we get more people to be able to use and grow weed legally without the fear of going to prison, losing their rights, or being considered an outcast? How do we get our society to quit taking people to jail for weed?
    But somewhere along the line shit has gotten complicated. The first real reforms passed that allowed for a certain class of people to use cannabis without going to jail, or suffering consequences, were medical cannabis laws. It was easy to see how sick and dying people that found relief from cannabis should be allowed to use weed without fear of being arrested or losing their position in society. Medical cannabis is a no-brainer. The reason medical marijuana support is around 70-80% of our society is because only a real asshole would think that a sick person should be arrested for using weed if it helps them to feel better. Medical should be a given. And in some states it was for a minute….kind of, sort of, not really…..but close enough.
    But then EVERYONE got hella sick. All of the sudden any and every ailment ever had by a person was an ongoing and chronic condition that only cannabis could heal. We convinced ourselves that if we justified every cannabis use as a medical procedure that we would be afforded the same glorious protections as the sickest chemo patient.
    Now all of the sudden the Choom Gangs were no longer choomed out, but instead they were very ill and in need of some serious medicine. Fire up the fat-ass blunt so a brother can get his medicine on already.
    Six-foot bong rips are medicine. Check.
    My doctor’s office is at a Cypress Hill show. Check.
    I eat 500mg THC brownies (as much as an ENTIRE BOTTLE of the strongest dose Marinol) because I am so sick that only a dosage that makes me drool on myself will suffice. Check.
    I fire up mad torches and hit the one gram globs because I have such a severe medical condition that only ridiculous amounts of pure concentrate to the face will work for my pain. Check.
    “What are you saying, Mickey?”….I am saying that we are full of shit…..
    We have been half brainwashed by the allowance of medical cannabis and have forgotten what the fuck we are fighting for. Medical cannabis has been successful in advancing our cause, and in no way am I demeaning the real medical effects cannabis has on MANY people who truly need it. I am not saying everyone is full of shit, but I am saying that much of the activity that we have deemed ”medicating” is just way the fuck beyond medical dosages, applications, and use. If I have a bottle of Nyquil, and I take the 2 tablespoons of Nyquil before bed because I feel like shit, then I am medicating. If I drink the entire bottle of Nyquil in an effort to get fucked up and pass out “so I can rest” then I am not really medicating any more at that point, am I? I have gone beyond a medical application to a choice of wanting to be more fucked up and to just go to sleep. But I do not think there is a doctor alive who would recommend drinking a bottle of Nyquil
    so you could get the spins and pass out for 12 hours…..
    Yet, this is what we see in our “medical” industry. The usage rates and common practices do not coincide with the realities of our medical standards for treatment. Why? Because most of us, even people with legitimate medical concerns as I have, often use cannabis for much more than our medical afflictions. It is a social thing, no doubt. I do not ask my buddies if they want to share my antibiotics, or even my pain meds (though some I am sure wish I would). We do not stand in a circle and pop Vicodin together and discuss them. I do not load up as many Ibuprofen as I can and see if I can finish them all.
    Cannabis is different…..and I can hear the diehard medical only fanatics now….”Cannabis is a plant, Mickey. The social benefits of using it are also medical.”
    So we can say the same about booze, and even coffee then, right? So every bar is now a medical dispensary because they dispense social well-being and liquid courage? Is shopping medical, because I do feel beter when getting new shit. Does my insurance cover that?
    Where I am going with this is that we have lost our focus and have allowed for the watering down of what is medical, and what is not, interfere with reality. The result has been an ongoing effort to crackdown on the “medical” industry, and to regulate the shit out of it similar to other medicines in our society. We have continued to declare that patients rights are the only rights we need for cannabis users, and have gotten tunnel vision. Now that tunnel vision is being used to kill us off.
    There is no shortage of media and news coverage questioning the legitimacy of our medical industry. It is the big joke in our society. Everyone gets it. We can see pretty clearly that a lot of people also do not think it is funny.
    So we are losing our place in society and our seat at the table. Our industry swelled in 2010 after the Ogden memo, and is rapidly shrinking as the crackdown continues. Great operators are losing their position and livelihood from landlord letters, sanctions, lawsuits, and raids. Dispensaries, growers, producers, and patients continue to watch as the industry they once knew becomes a shell of itself. Dedicated and passionate soldiers are turning and walking away in disgust and frustration. Some will not be back.
    I cannot say I blame them either. This industry can drive a person nuts, no doubt. I think you have to be a little nuts just to even get into it. Who wants to work hard and fight daily to barely survive in a cut-throat environment when you also have to risk a decade in prison at the same time? Fuck that shit. And who the fuck wants to continue to fight under the same weak-ass pretenses that our side has been putting forth to no avail for decades? It is incredibly frustrating on the surface, but as you dig deeper it is easy to see how maddening the reality of cannabis reform is these days. Fuck it…
    I am pretty sure that most in this industry/movement, and out of this industry/movement, have NO IDEA what the fuck we are fighting for any more. I know I don’t, and I am knee deep in this shit. All I know is I want our society to quit taking people to jail for weed. I think we have overplayed the medical hand, and we must begin to work on the larger goal of making cannabis available for adult use. If we continue to make concessions in order to comply with what is medical and who is a patient then we lose. We see more people going to jail for weed, not less.
    Right now we are losing. We are getting our asses handed to us daily, and many are scrambling to try and figure out how to stop the bleeding. Good for you. We will never put up points constantly playing defense, and frankly, our defense kind of sucks some times. We must begin to attack the larger societal issues and begin to use our voices to actually create real and meaningful change. Progress can happen, but we have to figure out what the fuck it is we are really fighting for first….
    If we are fighting to place further limits on an already severely abused and somewhat misunderstood medical cannabis industry to maintain some semblance of what we currently have, then count me out.
    If we are continuing to build off of our succeses in the medical cannabis industry and developing a powerful voice for true cannabis freedom that demands we quit taking our friends, neighbors, and mostly poor people to jail for weed, then count me in. I will get my ass-kicking shoes on.
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..[email protected]
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/micKEYmarTIN
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..[email protected]> Jun 20 04:02AM -0700  

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    AMEND AB2312
     
    Dan ? Please stop the rhetoric as well. Ab2312 ive read and read again
    I understand that it will give write offs to large corps like sparc
    and harborside for some socailly conscious prgms which are good things
    . No doubt. but the fee and fines ? Will defitinely squash small
    collectives. Yes thats nice that already permitd mdcs will have three
    years to apply but that doesnt apply to the cultvation nor strorage n
    trim sites your requesting that everyone register. The price of meds
    will go up . Becuase guess who gets paid once again and a couple times
    over? The permit lawyers . Why would we have growers register in
    current climate of doom you paint?? Whats going to happen this week? I
    didnt get the memo . Why dont you take a reasonable aproach to the
    suggested areas of amend? Ive never said do nothing. Thats outrageous
    ive said do something accountable and balanced with everyones survival
    in mind and considering everyones protection. Dont attempt to pigeon
    hole me . Love ya too bro .
     
     
     
    —
    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    s..[email protected] Jun 20 12:58AM -0700  

    Here are just a few credentials which qualify Clauder as an expert on
    initiatives:
     
    Clauder has worked as a volunteer (1971-1990) and as a professional
    (1990-2010) on more than 200 initiative campaigns, collecting, verifying
    and paying for more than 50,000 signatures a week from more than 500
    subcontractors throughout the state.
     
    Clauder is one of only two individuals in the cannabis prohibition reform
    movement to have been a proponent of, and written and financed an
    initiative which made the ballot when he placed Prop 66 on the November,
    2004, ballot. Richard Lee is the other.
     
    Clauder has worked within all levels of state and county Democratic
    parties, the legislature, and several elected officials.
     
    Clauder has a Master of Arts (M.A.) degree from one of the top ten
    journalism schools in the nation in Communications/Journalism with a
    specialty in Political Communications.
     
    Clauder political articles have been published in hundreds of newspapers
    throughout the state and the nation.
     
    You want to know who Sam Clauder is?
    This is an LA Times Sunday Magazine front page article.
    Read it carefully and you will find a reference to Jack Herer embedded deep
    within.
     
    http://articles.latimes.com/2004/sep/19/magazine/tm-threestrikes38
    They Changed Their Minds on Three Strikes. Can They Change the Voters'?Cover
    story
    Ten years ago, these men wanted to see three strikes become the law in
    California. Now they're leading the fight to reform it.
    September 19, 2004 <http://articles.latimes.com/2004/sep/19>|Joe Domanick | Joe
    Domanick last wrote for the magazine about Los Angeles Police Chief William
    J. Bratton. He is a Senior Fellow at USC Annenberg's Institute for Justice
    and Journalism, and the author of "Cruel Justice: Three Strikes and the
    Politics of Crime in America's Golden State."
     
     
    Mikki Norris & Don Duncan were deleted, as requested, fromm this thread.
    ————————–
    Sam H. Clauder II
     
    In tribute to those whom dedicated their lives to cannabis prohibition
    repeal (CPR), have passed on, and whose shoulders we now stand on
    as we carry the campaign (in consecutive order of our loss) — Edwin M.
    "Captain Ed" Adair III, Leo Paoli, Mary "Brownie Mary" Rathbun, Peter
    McWilliams, Dr. Tod Mikuriya, Virginia Resner, Eric Heimstadt, Jack Herer,
    Alan Bock, Ralph Sherrow, Grant Wilson, and many, many others.
     
     
     

     

    Letitia Pepper <s..[email protected]> Jun 19 11:38PM -0700  

        Please pass the following concerns about AB 2312 on to the members of the Senate.  Thank you.
         I have been an attorney for not quite 30 years, during much of which time I worked for appellate court justices analyzing cases and legislation from a neutral perspective.
     
       I have been a medical marijuana patient (for MS) for about five years.
         I am also the Director of Legal and Legislative Analysis for Crusaders for Patients Rights,. a non-profit corporation based in
    Sacramento, CA that supports people legally using cannabis as medicine.
        I am opposed to AB 2312, which purports to turn the individual rights held by individual patients under Prop. 215, who have the right to collectively organize, pursuant to the state and constitutional right to freedom of association, into a right that can be held by a limited number of entities. Ity also purports to allow local governments to ban collectives and to tax cannabis. These provisions are all clearly contrary to Prop. 215, and will lead to litigation, which the State will lose, based on Prop. 215's status, as a People-enacted initiative, as controlling over contrary legislation by the People's elected officials.
         I am also opposed
    to all efforts to tax cannabis as medicine, which is the only legal use of cannabis allowed under state and federal law.  While some people may be smirking about using the medical marijuana laws to use cannabis "recreationally," their deceptions have nothing to do with the only actual legal use of cannabis — as medicine.  People get doctors to write prescriptions for prescription drugs which they are actually using "recreationally," yet no one is trying to tax prescription medications as a consequence.  No more should the presence of recreational users among the flocks of patients be used as justification for taxing cannabis.
         In my considered legal opinion, California patients cannot legally be taxed on cannabis as
    medicine.  Here is why.
        
    (1) Prop. 215 did not provide for a tax on it, and it says that any
    laws passed to implement Prop. 215 must further its purpose: safe and
    affordable access. Taxes do not increase safety and they reduce
    affordability.
          (2) The CA constitution forbids taxes on growing crops, so you can't tax it as it grows in people's yards.
          (3) CA doesn't tax prescription medications, and Prop. 215 was
    passed so people would have cannabis as a legal alternative
    to prescription meds (because prescription meds were killing people —
    and still are).  So, if the state doesn't tax prescription meds, then it's a
    denial of equal protection to tax cannabis.  That's true under both state and federal constitutional laws.
         (4) The People
    delegated the task of adopting implementing legislation for Prop. 215 to the
    Legislature.  The Legislature could therefore pass a law that included delegating the
    making of nitty gritty regulations to carry out the law adopted by the Legislature (SB 420) to the Attorney General,
    another elected official.  Can the Legislature, under AB 2312, delegate
    regulatory authority to a commission, not referenced by Prop. 215, whose
    members are not elected, and hence not answerable to the People?  No, it cannot.
        AB 2312 violates Prop. 215, and is therefore going to be unconstitutional if
    adopted.  This was why the quantity limits in SB 420 were struck down, as unconstitutional under Prop. 215, by the California Supreme Court in People v. Kelly. 
         Americans for Safe Access is actually a very small group. It is controlled by, essentially, one person, and its stance on AB 2312 was not developed in consultation with patients, but instead is being promoted "from the top down" with e-milas from ASA urging patients to call and say "vote yes" without reading the bill for themselves. 
          AB 2312 might be "better than nothing" in another state with bad medical marijuana laws, but it does not represent the interests of California
    medical marijuana patients, whose individual rights under Prop. 215 are far better than those of all other Americans in other medical marijuana states.
           In terms of the impact on California's economy, legal cannabis, without taxes on its sales, is very beneficial.  It is far more beneficial to local economies than are prescription drugs.
          For example, I am saving $300 a month in the cost of the co-pays I used to pay, to out-of-state companies, for my MS drugs – drugs that made me sick.  My health insurer is also saving the thousands of dollars in costs, every month, it was paying to out-of-state pharmaceutical companies.  That money is now instead being spent in California — to pay
    for goods and services here. I can buy home improvement items, attic insulation for example, instead.   Money paid in salaries to people working to grow and distribute cannabis legally is also fueling local economies.
        AB 2312 is a bad law.  Please vote no.
     
    Letitia E. Pepper
    P. O. Box 55560
    Riverside, CA 92517
     
        
         
     

     

    "Bill McPike" <s..[email protected]> Jun 19 09:11PM -0700  

    From: J Nunes]
    Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 9:07 PM
     

     
     
    Evening Bill,
    Just want to let you know Dr. King passed away in his sleep last night due
    to cancer in his bones. He will be greatly missed.
    I will let you know when the services are. God bless.
    J
     
    Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
     

     
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    Mendocino Medical Marijuana Advisory Board <s..[email protected]> Jun 18 10:56PM -0700  

    Shona,
     
    Ayers is a consultant to the committee. Phone number shown below.
     
    The CA Senate Standing Committee on Business, Professions and
    Economic Development has a website: http://sbp.senate.ca.gov/
     
    Here's the info from the committee's website, including list of
    members & links to their district webpages, which have contact info:
     
    Business and Professions meets every Monday at 1:00 P.M. in Room
    3191. However, always check the Senate File for any changes.
     
    JURISDICTION: Bills relating to business and professional practices
    and regulations other than bills relating to horseracing, alcoholic
    beverages, oil, mining, geothermal, or forestry industries.
     
    Members
    Senator Curren Price (Chair)
    Senator Bill Emmerson (Vice Chair)
    Senator Ellen Corbett
    Senator Lou Correa
    Senator Ed Hernandez
    Senator Gloria Negrete McLeod
    Senator Tony Strickland
    Senator Juan Vargas
    Senator Mark Wyland
     
    Addresses & Staff
    Chief Consultant: Bill Gage
    Consultants: G, V. Ayers, Sarah Mason
    Assistant: Kathy Sullivan
    Phone: (916) 651-4104
    Room: 2053
     
     
     
    On Jun 18, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur wrote:
     

     

 

 

June 19, 2012 – Digest for s..[email protected] – 25 Messages in 10 Topics

    Jacob Secret <s..[email protected]> Jun 18 09:43PM -0700  

    In the mid 1800's cannabis was in 30 different medications here in the U.S..
     
    The medications stated "cannabis".
     
    "Marihuana" was used to disguise the 'cannabis' tax, even the AMA representative did not know what "marihuana" was so he did not object to the taxation.
     
    The following day the AMA was up in arms that they were deceived.
     
    Its Cannabis.
     
    I would like my previous email sent to this list to thoroughly explain my position.
     
    Thanks ahead of time.
     
    Jonathan Lustig
    Social Crusader
     
     
     
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    Matthew Meyer <s..[email protected]> Jun 19 07:49AM -0700  

    We are caught between our grounding in American culture as knowers, in an
    intimate and personal sense, of this plant, and our advocacy before the
    public (actually perhaps mostly amongst ourselves, but OK), in which we
    seek to use discourses that derive legitimacy from other sources, chiefly
    science. How much each of us bases our advocacy vocabulary on each of these
    sources is bound to vary, and code-switching is completely normal. Around
    here we just puff some herb, or maybe take some tincture.
     
    Some people probably think that words are just labels that we attach to
    things in the world. I'm an anthropologist, though, and I know that
    language makes our worlds in profound ways. Words and themes ("tropes")
    link to others, presume others, take certain stances for granted. Watch
    out! You'll get caught in a trap. (The care Rastas take with Iyaric can
    provide neat clues to trying to take Babylon out of the language, and never
    to put the speaking subject in a subordinate position, e.g., "overstand,"
    the avoidance of the objective case pronoun "me" in favor of the active
    subject "I," etc.)
     
    I would never enter a conversation with a prohibitionist, at least in
    anything approaching a formal setting, and allow a term like "pot," "dope,"
    or "weed" to become a touchstone in the dialogue. It just gives too much
    framing power away. People already think they know what it means.
     
    On the other end, I think Mickey's overly strong reaction to this
    discussion bears a relationship to criticism of the DeAngelos' and others'
    attempts to "swap out" commonsense perceptions of pot for a whole new set
    of understandings based on "wellness." To go too far in that direction is
    to generate the sense that "we all know" that it's just X, but we're going
    to call it Y. People tend to think that's puffery, not honest engagement.
     
     
     
     
    —
    Matthew Meyer
    PhD Candidate
    Anthropology Department
    University of Virginia

     

    Matthew Meyer <s..[email protected]> Jun 19 07:55AM -0700  

    John / Jacob, I'd like a cite on that AMA bit.
     
    Here's what Charles Whitebread wrote on the tax act hearings:
     
     
    > go home?"
    > That's an exact quote. The next Congressman said, "Doctor, if you haven't
    > got something better to say than that, we are sick of hearing you."
     
    http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/whiteb1.htm
     
    So it would appear that the AMA knew what substance was under discussion.
     
    (This is not to contest your claim that Anslinger purposely used
    "marihuana," although I think it was more to evoke Mexican criminality than
    to confuse the AMA.)
     
     
    On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Jacob Secret <s..[email protected]>wrote:
     
     
    —
    Matthew Meyer
    PhD Candidate
    Anthropology Department
    University of Virginia

     

 

 

    PeaceLove <s..[email protected]> Jun 19 09:56AM -0700  

    My understanding of the AMA's role in the Congressional hearings is that
    they only showed up on the last day because they didn't know until then
    that the "marihuana" being considered for a ban was in fact the safe and
    effective medicine commonly known as "cannabis." So the AMA was very late
    to the game in denouncing the ban and was unable to mount an effective
    defense.
     
    Can any historians out there confirm or clarify?
     
    Regardless, I agree with Jonathan and Matthew. Terminology is important.
    Among non-users — our critical target demographic — "cannabis" does not
    have all the negative associations of "pot," "weed" and other terms
    (including "drug"). As far as "marijuana" goes, I think that term once had
    negative, possibly racist connotations but it seems pretty neutral now.
    Nevertheless, all the common terms other than "cannabis" have been smeared
    by a century of steady propaganda so I think it behooves us to adopt the
    one that's still relatively fresh and clean.
     
    Compare:
     
    *Pot is a safe and effective tonic for the mind, body and spirit. Legal weed
    threatens several multi-billion-dollar industries. Drug laws
    disproportionately target blacks and Hispanics, and mainly the poor.*
     
    *Cannabis is a safe and effective tonic for the mind, body and spirit.
    Legal cannabis threatens several multi-billion-dollar industries. Anti-cannabis
    laws disproportionately target blacks and Hispanics, and mainly the poor.*
     
    Which version sounds more authoritative?
     
    PeaceLove, Jonathan
     
     
    ——————————————-
    *There is nothing more agreeable in life than to make peace with the
    Establishment – and nothing more corrupting. *
    *-A.J.P. Taylor, historian (1906-1990)*
     
     
     
     

     

    Jacob Secret <s..[email protected]> Jun 19 01:18PM -0700  

    Wow even after years of countless hours of research there is still much to learn.
     
    Thanks for sharing.
     
    Jonathan Lustig
    Social Crusader
     
     
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    KC <s..[email protected]> Jun 19 04:49PM -0700  

     

 

    "Patient Advocacy Network" <s..[email protected]> Jun 19 03:52PM -0700  

    And so it is…
     
    Los Angeles City Council Agenda
    Friday, June 22, 2012
    John Ferraro Council Chamber, Room 340, City Hall – 10 am
     
    Items for Which Public Hearings Have Been Held – Items 1-6
     
    ITEM NO. (2)
     
    11-1737
    11-1737-S1
    CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION, PLANNING AND LAND USE MANAGEMENT and PUBLIC SAFETY
    COMMITTEES’ REPORT and ORDINANCE FIRST CONSIDERATION relative to amending
    the Los Angeles Municipal Code (LAMC) in response to recent appellate
    court decisions concerning medical marijuana.
     
    Recommendations for Council action, as initiated by Motions (Huizar -
    Englander) and (Parks – Perry), SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MAYOR:
     
    1. FIND that this action is categorically exempt from California
    Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) under State CEQA Guidelines sections
    15301, 15305, 15308, 15321, 15060(c)(2) and (3), and the corresponding
    City CEQA Guidelines, because it will not result in a direct, or
    reasonably
    foreseeable indirect physical change in the environment, for the reasons
    set forth in the CEQA Narrative prepared by the Planning Department.
    (Exhibit Two of the City Attorney report dated May 25, 2012, attached to
    the Council file). [ENV-2012-1273-CE]
     
    2. ADOPT the May 24, 2012 FINDINGS of the Los Angeles City Planning
    Commission (LACPC) as the Findings of the Council.
     
    3. PRESENT and ADOPT the accompanying ORDINANCE, approved by the Director
    of Planning on behalf of the LACPC, repealing and replacing Article 5.1 of
    Chapter IV of the LAMC in response to recent appellate court decisions, by
    prohibiting medical marijuana businesses, while preserving the limited
    state law medical marijuana criminal immunities, until such time as the
    California Supreme Court rules regarding what cities can and cannot
    regulate and the City enacts new medical marijuana legislation consistent
    with that judicial guidance, transmitted by the Office of the City
    Attorney on May 25, 2012.
     
    4. NOT PRESENT and ORDER FILED the Ordinances transmitted by the Office of
    the City Attorney on January 6, 2012 and by the LACPC on May 15, 2012.
     
    5. DIRECT the Department of City Planning to file a “Notice of Exemption”
    with the County Clerk immediately after the proposed Ordinance is approved
    and passed in final by the City Council.
     
    Fiscal Impact Statement: None submitted by the City Attorney and the
    Planning Department. Neither the City Administrative Officer nor the
    Chief Legislative Analyst has completed a financial analysis of this
    report.
     
    Community Impact Statement: Yes
    For proposal: Sunland Tujunga Neighborhood Council
    East Hollywood Neighborhood Council
    Eagle Rock Neighborhood Council
    Greater Griffith Park Neighborhood Council
     
     
    *********
     
    Sincerely,
     
    Degé Coutee
    Executive & Program Director
    Patient Advocacy Network
     
    @PAN4Compassion
    www.CannabisSavesLives.org
    (323) 334-5282
     
    PAN is a charitable 501(c)(3) organization

     

    Gary <s..[email protected]> Jun 18 10:07PM -0700  

    What was the outcome?
     
    Change the world for the better!
     

     

 

 

    Denise <s..[email protected]> Jun 19 10:48AM -0700  

    It was a set up from the Police Department from the beginning with their distorted facts about guns, money, stealing electricity, and how the dots all connect to medical cannabis. The staff was well prepared and instilled fear in council members who considerered holding their vote waiting disposition of AB2312 or the Pack decision.
    Council Member Jim Prola was passionate about cannabis patients access in San Leandro. He stood his ground to encourage a vote for his motion. We need to keep him in politics representing our rights. His wife, Diana, a member of the school board also spoke about the difficulties for patients safe access in San Leandro and recognizing children can get cannabis anywhere.
    I wrote all council members a letter prior asking them to not fall victims to the refer madness mentality The Patch news reported they were relying on for their decision. It was another modern day refer madness scenario being played out in cities that try to place fear in their citizens over distribution. The only ones buying it are the officials and cops!
    Denise
     
     
     
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     
     

     

    Jacob Secret <s..[email protected]> Jun 19 10:56AM -0700  

    Lets all remember that they need a second reading to impliment the ban.
     
    I've been down in LA all week and I will make an appearance at their next city council meeting.
     
    I hope some of you are with me.
     
    Jonathan Lustig
    Social Crusader
     
     
    Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

     

    Bud <s..[email protected]> Jun 19 03:28PM -0700  

    This may not be especially legal, should any locals wish to consult an
    attorney.
     
    For starters, this wasn't listed as an action item on the agenda, rather a
    recommendation for a council motion to direct staff to prepare a permanent
    ban in the form of a city ordinance. Had they done that, the permanent ban
    would have appeared on a later agenda as an action item, with a staff
    report that included the text of the proposed permanent ban along with a
    required environmental finding of no significant impact. The "action" part
    of the action item would be to vote on the proposed ordinance and the
    required Gov. Code 65858 findings.
     
    What happened instead, apparently, is that the council voted to extend the
    temporary ban another year. That's not kosher for two reasons: a) it wasn't
    agendized properly as an ordinance passing a moratorium extension, nor did
    the council vote pertain to a draft ordinance and required findings, and b)
    you can't keep passing "temporary" bans forever. The city has already used
    up its allotment of time permitted for so-called urgency ordinances: The
    45-day kickoff, the 10-month, 15-day extension, and a one-year extension
    after that.
     
    As background, Gov. Code Sec. 65858 authorizes cities and counties to pass
    urgency ordinances pertaining to new development threats, so it was used a
    lot to enact instant dispensary bans, sometimes before anyone even had a
    permit application in the pipeline. (The dreaded "Planning staff have
    received inquiries pertaining to medical marijuana.") If cities jumped the
    gun a lot, at least they were in the ballpark because dispensaries
    generally constitute a new or uncategorized land use in a particular city's
    zoning ordinance.
     
    That's quite different from growing bans, which try to erase an existing
    land use, i.e., personal cultivation on private property. Because personal
    cultivation does not involve new development or zoning approvals, I would
    argue that Gov. Code 65858 cannot be used to pass an urgency zoning
    ordinance that bans all outdoor growing, for example, nor can such
    permanent growing bans escape at least an initial environmental review
    under CEQA. Not that my opinion counts, so look for urgency growing bans to
    become the new rage.
     

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..[email protected]> Jun 18 10:16PM -0700  

    YES . On respecting labor and workers and their inclusion to
    regulation. However lets think this thru a minute here Dan there are
    workers at every level who could be impacted if not downright
    unemployed if ab2312 squashes our family run collectives and small to
    mid size MDCs . Yes i agree planation like realitys exist but even the
    huge brand name big box MDCs that are footing the bill for ab2312 ?
    Are not union members? Why? They must have more than twenty employees
    and if you include all their grows? Wow. Many more and thoose employee
    probably could use a union break ! But the pay play scheme here in
    ab2313 will leave only a few on the map and push most underground? How
    does that truly benefit our workers if only a few huge commerical
    shops exist? Small business and family business and farms must remain.
    And I doubt they will with this bill as it stands and the price for
    your averarge consumer goes up and the qaulity goes down without our
    cottage growers . Ab2312 -simply will not protect from feds.

     

    "Jonathan Hughes" <s..[email protected]> Jun 19 06:20PM  

    Here is one reason…
     
    Unions do not organize, people do. I think you are asking the wrong person the question. The union can't answer the question because we are also asking that same question. Local 5, at this time, is not going force a union contract on any operator. It has been collabortive but we (the union) can't understand why all of you and your workers are not signing up with Local 5. Belonging to a union will allow the worker to participate in a fair and democratic process to collectively gain better wages, benefits and retirement. A negotiated and voter approved (by the workers) contract. Jon
     
    Jonathan Hughes
    UFCW Local 5
    240 South Market St
    San Jose, CA
    Office
    1(phone#-removed) ex.5629
    Direct Line
    (phone#-removed)
     
     
    –
    Jonathan Hughes
    UFCW Local 5
    240 South Market St
    San Jose, CA
    Office
    1(phone#-removed) ex.5629
    Direct Line
    (phone#-removed)

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..[email protected]> Jun 19 11:55AM -0700  

    pls post widely. No need for blind faith . Lets open our hearts and
    minds and take a look and hopefuly re assemble this into a fair and
    balanced law. support comunity based cooperatives and protections for
    our growers . Last but not least accountablity from a board with
    oversight.
     
     
     
     
     
    —
    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    Jacob Secret <s..[email protected]> Jun 18 09:50PM -0700  

    The LA police chief stated that there was no correlation between an increase in crime and dispensaries.
     
    Our violent crime rate here in California increased until 1996 and since then it has plummeted to a 40 year low.
     
    Los Angeles reported a 50 year low in 2010 while having the most dispensaries in the state.
     
    In 2006 the attorney general reported that the government survey shows youth usage was at its lowest level since they begun giving out the anonymous test to 7th, 9th and 11th graders.
     
    What is going on??!!
     
    Jonathan Lustig
    Social Crusader
     
     
    Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

     

 

    Mendocino Medical Marijuana Advisory Board <s..[email protected]> Jun 18 10:28PM -0700  

    Shona,
     
    I'm not getting any google results at all for the search terms "CA
    State Senator Ayers" What's up with that? Nor for the search string
    "CA State Senate business and economic development committee". That
    being the case, I must say I can't regard the email address you
    kindly sent as being reliably associated with CA state senate
    hearings on AB2312.
     
    I will research it myself and let you know the results.
     
    Tom
     
    On Jun 18, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur wrote:
     

     

June 18, 2012 – Digest for s..[email protected] – 25 Messages in 16 Topics

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..[email protected]> Jun 18 09:01PM -0700  

    pls share with your friends! I will forward patient for compassionate
    policy info to all.
     
     
    Greetings Los Angeles Patient Advocates & Providers –
     
    While the official agenda for Friday’s LA City Council meeting is not yet
    published, (follow this link for updates:
    http://lacity.org/SubMenu/CityMeetingsAgendas/index.htm, the rumors in
    City Hall are that the Los Angeles City Council will take its final vote
    to ban collectives in Los Angeles during THIS Friday’s City Council
    meeting.
     
    The LA City Council meets three times a week on Tuesday, Wednesday and
    Friday at 10 a.m. at Los Angeles City Hall at 200 N. Spring Street, LA,
    90012 – Room 340. The public entrance to City Hall is on the Main Street
    side of the building. There is a metal detector at the security entrance
    and ID is required to get a visitor’s badge. The officer that takes ID
    will ask where you are going and you tell them ‘Council Chambers.’ There
    are many bus routes through Downtown Civil Center including the Metro Red
    Line. There is also plenty of parking, for a fee.
     
    Patients who wish to speak before the Council can do so during general
    public comment for 2 minutes on Tuesday and Wednesday. To learn more
    about participating in ‘public comment’ see the section ‘What Can
    Patients/Advocates Do To Stop The LA Ban? *’ here:
    http://panorg.blogspot.com/2012/06/patients-want-to-stop-ban-on-las.html
    and http://ag.ca.gov/publications/2003_Intro_BrownAct.pdf
     
    If agendized on Friday, medical marijuana cannot be addressed during
    general public comment. Comments may be taken while the item is being
    heard. Council can waive the comment period because of prior hearings.
    However, because there will be speaker cards AND this agenda item will
    ALSO have a CLOSED SESSION, Council is likely to allow public comment but
    time may be cut to a minute or less.
     
    Patients can also contact their council member directly:
    http://lacity.org/YourGovernment/CityCouncil/index.htm. You can learn who
    your council member is by typing your street address at ‘Neighborhood
    Resources’ here: http://lacity.org/index.htm
     
    La Brea Collective has organized Patient Speak-out events for ALL City
    Council meetings this week. They are hosting patients at 8:30 a.m. in
    their lounge for refreshments, compassion and a caravan to City Hall.
    Last Friday’s event was well attended. Other collectives may also be
    sponsoring similar events. La Brea Collective is located at 5057 W. Pico
    Blvd., and easily accessible by multiple bus lines. Bring appropriate
    patient documentation if you are a new member.
     
    Please watch for an email later this evening from
    s..[email protected] There is a lot of movement and action
    taking place with AB 2312 at this time. Urgent and very time sensitive
    action is needed. You will learn more from the above email address. If
    you do not receive a notice about AB 2312 and want to get updates, please
    send the subject line ‘subscribe’ to the above email address.
     
    You can refer to
    http://panorg.blogspot.com/2012/05/how-ab-2312-impedes-safe-affordable.html
    regarding the bill.
     
    Many thanks.
     
     
     
    Sincerely,
     
    Degé Coutee
    Executive & Program Director
    Patient Advocacy Network
     
    @PAN4Compassion
    www.CannabisSavesLives.org
    (323) 334-5282
     
    PAN is a charitable 501(c)(3) organization
     
    ** Please make a donation at www.CannabisSavesLives.org **
     
     
     
     
    —
    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

    Mickey Martin <s..[email protected]> Jun 17 08:50PM -0700  

    Language is important. Not being considered uptight and a stick in the mud is also important. Speaking a language others understand is also important. 
     
    On top of Mt. Well-To-Do they might all use the term cannabis, or even know what that means. Down here in the hood, if you say cannabis to some folks they look at you like you just spoke German at them. 
     
    If you want people to join you in the fight, easily identifying the subject of said fight is the first battle you may want to think about overcoming….Hard to get the Native's to think you are their God if they cannot understand what you are saying to them…..
     
    Depends on the audience, really…but more so, it is personal choice and freedom to express ourselves in our native language. Super that you think everyone should say this one word, but that is not the reality of your very diverse society, Dr. Dave. I think some people should say no words at all, but I do not get to make that decision for others, now do I? People can feel free to say what they please, and use what ever terminology they please.
     
    I am going to smoke weed. You can go inhale cannabis puffs from your burning plant substance, or whatever it is you do over there…..
     
    Mickey Martin
    T-Comp Consulting Director
    Author of Medical Marijuana 101
    www.cannabiswarrior.com
    www.tcompconsulting.com
    s..[email protected]
    (phone#-removed)
    http://twitter.com/micKEYmarTIN
    http://twitter.com/CANNABISconsult
     
    ***The views expressed in this communication are not necessarily the views of T-Comp Consulting, Tainted Compassion, Cannabis Warrior any other group I am affiliated with.***
     
     
    ________________________________
    From: Dr. David Bearman <s..[email protected]>
    Cc: Mickey Martin <s..[email protected]>
    Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 8:13 PM

     
    language is important.
    if you don't think so you miss the whole point of the prohibitionists.It should be just cannabis but in the hands of the misinformed and the powerful it is portrayed as a tool of the devil.
    David Bearman

     

 

    Michael Levinsohn <s..[email protected]> Jun 18 08:14AM -0700  

    An old debating rule holds that whoever cites Hitler or the Nazis first loses. A close second is comparing all insults to racism.
     
    In the case of cannabis, it has more nicknames than anything except money and people's private parts, which gives you perspective on people's priorities. "Marijuana" is a term intended to highlight a certain ethnic reference, which unfortunately is the basis of much of the stigma against it.
     
    Why are "Irish Drunks" seen as gregarious, harmless, pugnacious heroes, and cannabis users seen as ethnic, lazy, mindless losers? To answer that question is to explain why liquor is legal and cannabis is not.
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

 

    Dennis Hinze <s..[email protected]> Jun 18 04:18PM -0700  

    Save Cannabis ~
        Language is important. So how about calling everything what it is.? The plant is cannabis hemp. The part that gets you high, specifically the female buds, has been called marijuana for so long that the term is used to describe the  medicine — medical marijuana. Trying to clean up the negative connotation of "marijuana" by changing it to "cannabis" just confuses the issue. Different extracts and preparations may be referred to as cannabis medicinals, but it must be understood that while all marijuana is cannabis hemp, not all cannabis hemp is marijuana. ~ Dennis 
     
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    "Jonathan Hughes" <s..[email protected]> Jun 18 02:26PM  

    Lanette,
     
    How did you know that the union was not there? Is it because you did not see a UFCW banner/or jacket? When I attend rallies and meetings, I do not always have a union logo on or announce that "The Union Is Here" nor do I think we should. The Union is here to assist the cannabis community and I believe most know how to get a hold of us if they need help. Also, maybe if more medcal cannabis facilities were organized, we would see a bigger union presences. If you want more information please feel free to contact the UFCW.
     
    Jonathan Hughes
    UFCW Local 5
    240 South Market St
    San Jose, CA
    Office
    1(phone#-removed) ex.5629
    Direct Line
    (phone#-removed)
     
     
     
     
    –
    Jonathan Hughes
    UFCW Local 5
    240 South Market St
    San Jose, CA
    Office
    1(phone#-removed) ex.5629
    Direct Line
    (phone#-removed)

     

    Mendocino Medical Marijuana Advisory Board <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 01:11PM -0700  

    Did you mean "Yes on 215, No on AB2312?"
     
    Tom Davenport
    web admin – Mendocino Medical Marijuana Advisory Board
     
    On Jun 16, 2012, at 1:18 AM, rose jeri wrote:
     

     

    GOCCA <s..[email protected]> Jun 18 01:13PM -0700  

    Hello OC Collectives and Patients,
     
     
    The next Greater Orange County Collective Alliance meeting of 2012 will be
    Wednesday, June 27 at 8 PM.
     
     
    *Meeting Location: *Marriott Suites
     
    Harbor Room
     
    12015 Harbor Blvd.
    Garden Grove, 92840
     
     
    *Meeting Coordinator: *Dee(phone#-removed)
     
     
     
    Please join us in protecting and educating our patients and community about
    medical cannabis!
     
     
     
     
    —
    *Representative*
    Greater Orange County Collectives Alliance (GOCCA)
    2166 W. Broadway, #100
    Anaheim, CA 92804
    (phone#-removed)
    http://www.gocca.org
    http://www.facebook.com/gocca.org
    http://twitter.com/_gocca <http://twitter.com/#!/_gocca>

     

    "Axis of Love SF, Shona Gochenaur" <s..[email protected]> Jun 18 01:14PM -0700  

    if you need the direct email of the director of comittee who will be
    receving our concerns and prepareing them for the comittee members?
    Please contact me directly. Stay postive and solution based . Express
    concerns regarding comunity based providers being wiped off map by big
    box pot . With true intelligence not conspiracy . I will be expressing
    support for the union involved and hoping that they can work with
    comunity based providers and grower on amendments that are caring.
    Make sure if you did support lenos simple and clarifying placeholder
    bill to mention that and why . Offer facts regarding the attempts at
    monopoly not conjecture or heresay that doesnt help and sorry but it
    is reality that many small collectives would be wiped off map and
    there no checks and balances of the proposed board to govern our
    entire comunity
     
    —
    Shona Gochenaur
    Executive Director
    Axis of Love SF
    http://www.facebook.com/axisoflove
    http://www.twitter.com/axisoflove

     

 

 

 

    lynnette shaw <s..[email protected]> Jun 18 09:37AM -0700  

    This what what we are looking at, Federal invasions and 10 years to life sentences. Wake up , people! Support AB2312 and amend the flaws rather than spend your life in jail.
     
    – Lynnette ; )
     
    — On Mon, 6/18/12, Brett Stone <s..[email protected]> wrote:
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Pleas expected to be entered in pot case
     
     
    Staff report
     
    Posted:   06/18/2012 09:09:05 AM PDT
     
    http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_20882487/pleas-expected-be-entered-pot-case
     
     
    The president of a medical marijuana dispensary with sites in Upland, Colton and Moreno Valley and five others will enter their pleas this morning on drug-trafficking charges in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles.
     
    A crowd of supporters gathered in front of the courthouse earlier this morning.
     
    The six defendants include the operators of the Inland Empire chain of marijuana clinics and others associated with an Ontario warehouse that cultivated marijuana for the stores.
     
    According to an indictment released Thursday, the six defendants in the case are charged in a conspiracy to manufacture and to possess with intent to distribute marijuana. The indictment also charges all the defendants with possession with intent to distribute marijuana. The two charges each carry a mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years in federal prison and a maximum sentence of life in prison.
     
    G3 co-founder John Leslie Nuckolls II, 31, of Rialto; Paul Neumann Brownbridge, 29, of Upland, who worked in the Ontario warehouse; and Richard Irwin Kirchnavy, 45, of Rancho Cucamonga, who also worked at the warehouse, were released on bail on Thursday.
     
    Rancho Cucamonga residents Aaron Sandusky, 41, president of G3 Holistic, and Keith Alan Sandusky, 44, remained in custody over the weekend.
     
    The bond for Brandon Anton Gustafson, 30, of Yucaipa, who worked at an Ontario warehouse associated with G3, was set at $100,000. Gustafson was expected to be bailed out Friday night.
     
     
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    Fred Gardner <s..[email protected]> Jun 18 01:49AM -0700  

    I predict he's going to have a big impact and suggest a line for him in a recent Anderson Valley Advertiser column:
     
    http://theava.com/archives/15926
     
    Hope to do the show after the new O'S comes out.
     
    What's your mailing address?
     
    Fred
     
     
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    Angela Bacca <s..[email protected]> Jun 17 09:05PM -0700  

    Mike,
     
    I am very sorry to hear that, rogue DAs and policing for profit are the
    biggest obstacles facing marijuana law reform today. Unfortunately Green
    Aid is a very small organization and only has the capacity to take one-two
    cases at a time. We have two cases currently.
     
    As the primary main case manager I would not feel ok taking this case when
    I personally couldn't put an adequate amount of time into promoting it. I
    have however forwarded and copied this message to many other activists
    nationally to put out the call for help/recommendations to activists and
    lawyers in Nevada who can help.
     
    Thank you for thinking to contact us,
     
    Angela Bacca
    Media Coordinator
    Green Aid: The Medical Marijuana Legal Defense and Education Fund
    www.green-aid.com
     
     
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    Angela Bacca
    (415) 515-7483
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    Twitter: @AngelaBacca
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    Lynne Wilson <s..[email protected]> Jun 17 04:50PM -0400  

    I see this movement and our opposition fighting over taxing and/or making money on Cannabis….and I just keep asking myself this question…
     
    Why is it that any other commodity in this World, the folks who make and sell what ever their product is, can make a living at what they make and sell, but SOME believe those who make and sell Cannabis should not make any money on the craft they do? What makes Cannabis so different that these people shouldn't be able to make a living, too?
     
    I mean it cost money to grow, even outdoors! Should NO farmer who grows food make money to pay their bills just because people need food?
     
    I'd like someone to explain this to me, who grew up in a family's grocery store. As for taxing, some states don't tax food at the store but do if you eat in a restaurant and some states actually do tax food at the store level.
     
    I believe there should not be a problem with taxing Cannabis as long as it isn't the same as a Sin tax like alcohol and ciggs, but the same as the states sales tax in whatever state you live in.
     
    Here in Ohio its about 6.5-7% tax. If an ounce drops to say $50 an ounce and you buy 2, you get taxed on 100 bux. Average 7 bux! I don't get the problem.
     
    As for taxing meds? In most states, meds at the pharmacy aren't taxed, yet if you buy over the counter meds like aspirin, you DO get taxed.
     
    I also want to know what the difference is if a patient pays the doctor extra…over what the cost of an exam normally is as compared to a small tax on the sale? The doctors are the middle men/women who are getting fat rich off of patients! When you go to the doctor, you pay for the exam and any tests ran. You don't pay extra for the damn scripts (no matter how many they write) they give you but in MMJ cases, you pay extra for the Recommendation which is not 'technically' a script.
     
    And no matter what the anti-tax folks say…going to a dispensary (whether for profit or not) IS NOT the same as going to the pharmacy…when do you get to pick out what meds you want out of a display case when you buy from the pharmacist?
     
    I've never heard of any recommendation saying the patient can only buy a sativa or indica or only a certain amount. They are a general recommendation that says the patient can legally possess and/or buy and may say grow.
     
    I am a patient in Ohio and hold a Cali med rec from when I spent time in Cali with Jack. I did that for protection, only. But I shouldn't have to ask my Doc to give me permission to use something I've used since I'm 13…as a medicine and social use. I should be able to go to any store with a license for business (big or little) and buy my choice of meds or social use product just like aspirin or tylenol or white or red wine or shit beer or a good micro brew!
     
    I should also be able to go hang out at my friends house who grows and trade/barter or even buy from their small garden. Even a home brewer can sell their beer to friends as long as they don't sell over what the state allows without a license. I can also buy eggs from someone who has a few chickens in their backyard in the middle of the city and they don't have to have a food sellers license!
     
    As for the profits being made on Cannabis, as long as only Medical MJ is semi-legal and the Docs are getting rich, the prices will stay "high" and only come down when Cannabis is fully legal for anyone to buy. Then the price will be determined by the market and the quality. That's how business works.
     
    "By the grace of God All Mighty and the pressures of the Market Place, the Human Race has Civilized itself!" Roger Waters 'Its a Miracle'…Amused to Death album 1992.
     
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    On 6/16/2012 1:49 PM, LANNYSWERDLOW wrote:

     

 

 

    David Malmo-Levine <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 10:39AM -0700  

    *a. *A plant considered undesirable, unattractive, or troublesome,
     
    *4. *Something useless, detrimental, or worthless
     
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/weed
     
    "plant not valued for use or beauty,"
     
    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=weed
     
     
    You might be smoking unattractive, worthless weed.
     
    Up in BC we smoke the herb.
     
    *2. *Any of various often aromatic plants used especially in medicine or as
    seasoning.
     
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/herb
     
     
    2
    *:* a plant or plant part valued for its medicinal, savory, or aromatic
    qualities
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/herb
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

     

    David Fiedler <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 12:56PM -0700  

    And yet, as a society we tend not to use the terms "n*gger", "colored",
    "f*ggot", "ch*nk", etc in polite company, because they are derogatory and
    drag us back down to the days when acceptance of the "norm" was mandatory.
    Many people feel that words such as "pot", "weed", and even "marijuana" are
    similarly derogatory, and using them just keeps up the connotation of it
    being something of no real import.
     

     

 

    "Dr. David Bearman" <s..[email protected]> Jun 17 11:13PM -0400  

    language is important.
    if you don't think so you miss the whole point of the prohibitionists.It should be just cannabis but in the hands of the misinformed and the powerful it is portrayed as a tool of the devil.
    David Bearman

     

    Dennis Hinze <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 05:34PM -0700  

    Cannabis People ~ Do not cut Mickey Martin out of the discussion. Here are some things to consider about SB 2312: ~ 1. By limiting dispensaries to "no less than one" for 50,000 people, what happens to us where there are not 50,000?. In the Susanville area, population about 22,000, there were 4 dispensaries operatiing before the county ban went into effect. What about Susanville, with a population of 17,500? Not one dispensary? Have to drive to Sacramento or Redding for the medicine, or use delivery service model. Communities should welcome this reborn commerce at all levels of business involvement. Let's make a presence and invite them to do so. ~ 2. Excessive regulatory power vested in a commission, the scope of which is not clearly defined in the letter of the proposed law, in addition to the "no less than one" language may well be used to cut small-time growers and providers out of the loop, destroying their livelihood. ~ 3. Although the
    "individuals and caregivers" language may be interpreted as exempting personal medical growers and their providers, it is not clear what, if anything, that means in its relation to the interpretation of Prop 215 that medical growers, growing for themselves and not for profit are allowed to pool their time, energy and resources in the production of their medicinal marijuana. ~ These things should be cleaned up before the Senate has a chance to vote on it. Also, it is so wordy and restrictive, something should be done to streamline it. This looks like typical California business-killing legislation, with the double-edged slasher of prohibitionist mindset which refuses to see anything good about Cannabis. ~ Not too late to clean up SB 2312, it is far from being a basket case. A few suggestions in the right place at the right time may get it to a more generally agreeable form.
       C'mon, if someone wants to cut themselves off the list–let 'em go, God bless 'em. But those of us who are wading through all this dialog and comment should be left here to enjoy Mickey, Dan, Chris, Don, Shona and (yes) Michael Kravitz and see if we can come up with something that will work for all the people, rich and poor, and keep working for our progeny and the planet.
      All the best,  Dennis Hinze  
     
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    LANNYSWERDLOW <s..[email protected]> Jun 17 12:42PM -0700  

    I am extremely excited that former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson will be the featured guest on the Marijuana Compassion and Common Sense radio show this Monday, June 18. The two-term governor not only brought New Mexico into the medical marijuana community, his legacy was to leave New Mexico as one of the most progressive states on drug law reform.
     
    He is now the Libertarian candidate for the President of the United States. Although the Libertarians are dwarfed by the Democrats and Republicans, they are still the 3rd largest party in the U.S. whose positions affect the major parties to a very significant degree. Gov. Johnson will speak about his party’s position on medical marijuana, marijuana prohibition and the War on Drugs and outline what he feels should and can be done,
     
    They are serious about having an impact on the national election and have a program in place to get into the National Presidential Debates. Gov. Johnson will explain it all and more this Monday, June 18.
     
    Our other guest will be Wildomar resident Wayne Williams, who heads We The People and is currently organizing a petition drive to place a medical marijuana collective ordinance before Lake Elsinore voters. In addition to info on the ordinance, Wayne will be speaking about the June 28 “Town Hall Meeting for Common Sense” featuring such luminous speakers as Ed Rosenthal (Best Selling Author and Cannabis Bon Vivant), Major Neill Franklin (Executive Director Law Enforcement Against Prohibition), Gretchen Burns Bergman (Executive Director A New PATH – Parents for Addiction Treatment & Healing), David Bearman, M.D. (pioneering cannabis physician) and many others.
     
    Gov. Gary Johnson, luminous speakers, news, views and humor – you will hear it all this Monday, June 18 and every Monday at 6 p.m. on Marijuana Compassion and Common Sense, on Inland Empire talk radio KCAA 1050AM and everywhere else on the Internet at kcaaradio.com. Past shows are podcast at the website.

     

    lavonne victor <s..[email protected]> Jun 17 11:05AM -0700  

    Hello :
     
    I do not know if i got booted off this list or not.. but i will soon find out if i have …
     
    Everyone on this list has a right to comment, no matter if it is a heated discussion on this issue or not… and i am sick of all of these people whom are attacking each other personally due to this issue… we all want to utalize cannabis the safes way possible.. and for the medical purposes of not taking the rights away from so many whom utalize cannabis for thier personal medical reasons…
     
    But there are many whom need store front litimacy but that  is not a possiblity for there is too much greed that has already set in over the many years that has passed us by and the Compassionate Use Act of Prop 215 is not good enough for many of the high control activist organizations and even those groups that have only been for the CUA-Prop 215 has gone to the other side instead of keeping the fight going to protect those under the Compassionate Use Act…
     
    I am very appalled that many rather make a profit off of those whom are sick and those whom are fighting for their life to utalize something to help them live each day that comes their way.. and this change to put out AB 2312 will not do that at all… but who cares… right?
     
    I do not want anyone to be arrested for utalizing cannabis.. but patients are still being arrested.. not as much as they were 10 years ago… and things have gotten worse , far worse and now we have the Feds comming in as well…
     
    Our county afficials are trying to ban the rights of so many patients and the big activist organizations seems not to care about this.. now why is this?
    I just do not understand why you don't give a hoot about the many citizens in this cannabis network that are patients whom use it for medical purpose just to fill your personal pockets with tons of monies… but yet you say its for the good of the patients and the society for it will bring in more revenue…
     
    Has the Federal Law changed?… I think not… and it will never fly until Federal Law changes their laws… but no one wants to admitt to this.. and you really think that AB2312 will change this for everyone or will this change for those whom will benifit from it financially instead of the protection for all involved on this issue…
     
    There are many old timers in this movement , way before the Compassionate Use Act came about.. and there were many growers way before the laws were in statue.. and there were black markets selling cannabis out on the streets for many many years way before this statue of law came into the picture…
     
    Did you make it medical for a purpose , or was there really compassion toward those whom were benifiting from the plant medically?… Or was this intended for the furture to futher the legalization behind this issue.. what is really the truth behid this?
     
    I supported the cannabis movement for many years on end.. for the reason it was for medical use … and i do believe that our state and others supported the medical use of cananbis , for they have passed this law in California and other states on this issue of medical use.. but i really beleive that if they were told that they wanted to legalize cannabis.. these states citizens would not have voted in favor of this cannabis issue…
     
    But now .. everyone in the Cannabis Organization like ASA, CANORML, and other groups like MPP, and other smaller groups are pushing to change the laws in statue instead of working out the bugs within it…
     
    But those whom are fighting the fight to protect the Compassioante Use Act Prop 215…. i wish i could be along side of you , physcially showing up for this cause… its amazing that now.. we the patients have to push against these big organizations whom say they are for the protection of the patients that they are fighting against so many that are against this AB2312.. as usual we are torn apart instead of fighting in unity against the counties, cities, and all involved together as one and putting all the fundings that were received to fight the counties and sue them for not upholding the laws that gives us the rights to do what it states..
     
    Instead of putting out new things in order to change what we already have.. and use the excuse that it will help our state bring in more revenue.. well after all these years .. now your trying to help our state?.. naw… i think this is just an excuse to litimatize those whom make millions of dollars from those members whom come to your store and pay your prices… for profit.. instead of on a not for profit enity…. and that is the truth of the issue.. you do not support the welfare of our cannabis patients ,,, you only support yourself in your own being…
     
    There are many patients whom grow outdoor, and indoor.. and the counties have no rights what so ever to tell them that they do not and try to ban them out of existance… The counties need to stop trying to put rules out that they can not make.. and they need to allow those whom are really a not for profit enity to provide safe access to those in need .. for medical … and stop trying to put those whom do qualify as a not for profit enity and prove by their paperwork that they are not for profit enities..out of existance… and stop charging them outrageous prices in order to be there in the first place.. they do not do that with other not for profit enities.. why are they doing it with the cannabis not for profit enities that do provide safe and affordable cannabis to their members… and have it in a store front or a warehouse.. as long as it is a not for profit enity and they are not making a profit.. then they should be allow to stay open.. and the
    patients should be allow to grow what they are able to afford … like growing outdoors.. if they choose… or if they can afford the cost of growing indoor they should have that choice as well… and if they are joining other patients they also should ba allowed to be reinbursed for the expence that it takes to grow for them in a unity setting and it has been ruled that they do not have to participate in order to receive from a association garden or in a onsite croperative enity…
     
    But the big wig cannabis movement like ASA, whom say they support the patients.. need to stop and stand by their words instead of putting out mud .. and help those citizens fight the figh against the counties whom are stomping on the rights behind the Compassionate Use Act. Prop 215..
     
    If your reading my post.. thank you.. but if this never gets on this site.. then is only for those to be picked out to be heard from.. and this is discrimination to say the least… do i have to be an attorney in order to be accepted? or a doctor?.. well i was a business woman from 1980's until the 1990's.. and made 500 to 1500 a day.. dose that count??? I was activist  to many behind the drug abuse in the programs of AA, NA.. and have spoken against the use of drugs in boys homes and prisions, as well as other places.. and helped many of families that were torn apart and get help… but that was in my younger years. from 1974 to 1989 now i am just a plain old housewife in my early senior years… But my views were changed when i started to utalize cannabis for my medical issues… and supported it strong and stood by our leader for many years.. until i had to walk away and take care of more priorities..like keepiing our home and taking care of a
    senior home bound of 85. and  this was held against due to that ..
     
    i went against the Prop 19, due to my own views and what i have read on the DPFCA list and now this site on the AB2312 as well , which i do not support at all.. and due to that i am held against .. But still i have every right to put my views on this issue.. just like the rest of you…. … …
     
    Unity is peace within.. unity is acceptance and tolerance of others whom want the same thing.. safe access…not to make a profit off of the sick and dying citizens in order to profitize cannabis and use it as an excuse that it will bring in revenue.. maybe it will.. but not until the federal laws are changed.. get it.. got it.. good..
     
    Lavonne Victor….

     

    Mickey Martin <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 10:25AM -0700  

    $100…. And for the record, I hope you are right and I lose the bet.
     
    Your arguments are generally off base though, and fail to tell the complete story. So, I would expect this case to have similar characteristics and traits.
     
    Time will tell…..
     
     
     
     

     

 

    Sam Clauder <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 12:05PM -0700  

    215 was probably the worst written initiative in the history of this state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

 

    R Givens <s..[email protected]> Jun 17 09:26AM -0700  

    >215 was probably the worst written initiative in the history of this
    >state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
    Propisition 215 has changed the discussion about medical marijuana
    nationwide. There are now 15 states with medical marijuana laws.
    That's quite an achievement.
     
    The fact that the authors made some mistakes is merely a warning to
    be more careful with future laws.
     
    A lot of the "problems" with 215 come from the fact that courts have
    ignored plain language in the law.
     
    If Peron et al had not gone forward with their best effort we would
    still have patients going to prison because of the reefer madness the
    government promotes.
     
    Proposition 215 has kept hundreds of people out of jail and that is
    very positive.
     
    Proposition 215 should educate us about the treachery of government
    agencies and the need to write them out of the picture in our next
    initiative.
     
    Opposition to legal marijuana can be reduced to a minimum with a well
    written initiative that specifically prevents State law enforcement
    from cooperating with the DEA et al.
     
    Please note that almost all of the dispensary closings are done using
    Federal authority. Since these raids are set up by local police,
    sheriffs and state lawmen, forbidding California law enforcement from
    Federal cooperation will end this tyranny.
     
     
    A clause like this is needed to prevent California police from using
    the DEA to get forfeiture money. Never think that they will somehow
    do the right thing unless the foot of law is firmly pressed down on
    their necks.
     
    excerpt from The Regulate Marijuana Like Wine Act of 2012
     
    > departments to obtain any money, property, gain, or advantage by the
    > arrest, prosecution, conviction, or deprivation or seizure of
    > property of anyone acting within the age provisions of this Act.
     
     
    If Proposition 215 had a clause like this, the current dispensary
    closings would not be happening because the Feds require local police
    to set up 95% of their cases.
     
    Stopping Federal interference is key to winning the battle.
    R Givens

     

    David Malmo-Levine <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 10:27AM -0700  

    Bill Panzer disagrees with you on Prop 19. Mickey. Nobody from the "Pro
    Prop 19 side" has ever responded to his analysis – and I doubt they ever
    will … because he's right and nobody wants to admit it:
     
    *The most amazing factor of this whole debate to me is how Prop. 19 is
    being almost universally portrayed as “legalization” in the media and by
    many in our movement who, quite frankly, I suspect have never actually read
    the text of the initiative!*
     
    *What makes little sense to me is that this initiative, which doesn’t
    legalize cannabis, is being sold as legalization. It seems to me, it would
    make more sense to draft an initiative that does legalize cannabis and sell
    it as regulation.*
     
    *Nevertheless, because it is being touted as legalization, if it passed it
    would be perceived around the world as legalization. It would also give
    some modest protections to cannabis users. It essentially protects you from
    getting an infraction ticket in your own home so long as there are no
    children under the same roof.*
    https://mail.google.com/mail/?tab=wm#inbox/137f63e08c8ff073
     
     
     
     
     
     
    "If it goes totally legal, the mom-and-pop growers are going to be a
    thing of the past," – Dale Gieringer, co-author of Prop 215 and state
    coordinator of California NORML, *High Times*, Nov. 2010, p. 80
     
    Prop 19, otherwise known as the "Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of
    2010", was not the legalization we’ve been hearing about for the last 40
    years from pot activists. Despite claiming on it’s website that it will
    "Control cannabis like alcohol" [50] it more closely resembled the much
    more tightly controlled cannabis legalization suggested to us by
    governments and police. Pay close attention to the wording found in the
    purposes section – unique to any "legalization" proposition or model ever
    put before anyone else other than police and governments:
     
    "B. Purposes
    5. Put dangerous, underground street dealers out of business, so their
    influence in our communities will fade." [51]
     
    Keep in mind those "dangerous" underground street dealers once included -
    and most likely currently include people similar to – people like *High
    Times* founder Tom Forcade and med pot movement founder Dennis Peron, and
    their "influence" in the community include *High Times* magazine, Prop 215,
    and "legalization for all".
     
    Prop 19 limited the number of legal growers to 1) those over 21 who 2)
    lived on their own in their own house or who rented from a landlord who was
    willing to risk their property being seized and who 3) would allow
    themselves to be limited to 25 square feet of grow space – smaller than the
    average jail cell. [52) It’s hard to estimate what percentage of current
    growers this would have left "illegal", but I suspect the percentage is
    greater than 50%.
     
    The meaning of this section was debated constantly before the vote. Did the
    "25 square feet in your own house to be shared with the rest of the people
    living in the residence" rules also apply to med pot users who currently
    enjoyed no such restrictions? Suffice to say that attorney Bill Panzer –
    despite voting for Prop 19 for the message it would send regarding support
    for eventual "full" legalization - made the strongest argument (and yet to
    be answered in public by the yes side) as to why med pot cultivation rights
    could have been threatened by Prop 19:
     
    "If an appellate court were inclined to find that Prop 19 preserved all
    215/420 rights, there is language in 19 to support that. If, on the other
    hand, an appellate court was inclined to find that 19 allowed local
    municipalities to impinge on 215/420, there is language that could support
    that position too. The bottom line is that the body of the statute could
    have clearly stated that local municipalities are not authorized to pass
    any ordinance or regulation that infringes on 215/420 in any manner, but it
    doesn’t." [53]
     
    Another section of Prop 19 made sure only licensed dealers would be allowed
    to deal – all other dealers were going to be punished by civil fines or
    worse. [54] The trouble with only allowing licensed dealers to deal is that
    – in one third of California, places such as Los Angeles and Oakland –
    there are very few licenses handed out. Oakland has four licenses in a city
    of 400,000 people – one license for every 100,000 people. Los Angeles has
    41 licenses for 14.8 million people – or one license for every 360,000
    people. Author of Prop 19 Richard Lee could have chosen to insist on
    "Sufficient community outlets" to prevent illegal dealing (in other words,
    unlimited outlets) and affordable, competition-encouraging $1000 licenses
    for retailers (instead of the current $60,000 or more Oakland retailers
    must pay) as Jack Herer did in his initiative.
     
    But Lee chose not to remove the discriminatory licensing system in his
    initiative. This was a tactical error on his part, as the decision not to
    remove the discrimination spelled doom for any unlicensed grower or dealer
    (or any family member of any unlicensed grower or dealer) who lived in – or
    feared they would one day live in – a pro-monopoly jurisdiction such as Los
    Angeles or Oakland. There are literally hundreds of thousands of these
    people all over California and they very well may have tipped the scales in
    favor of the "no" side on Nov. 2nd.
     
    http://www.cannabisculture.com/node/25832
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

     

 

    Tim Perkins <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 10:20AM -0700  

    An excerpt from Rappoports' series on the FDA:
     
    Retired propaganda master, Ellis Medavoy, once said to me, "Find a truly
    explosive hidden fact and put it in front of a person's eyes, hold it
    there, and see what happens. The person will go blank. He'll go blank
    because on a barely conscious level, he's rapidly calculating how many
    deceptions he's swallowed about all sorts of related subjects. Then
    he'll blink and tell you what you just showed him is impossible…"
     
    I would add: after he says it's impossible, he'll actually make excuses
    for the perpetrator of the crime you've just exposed. He'll give you a
    dozens reasons to let the perpetrator off the hook. He'll really warm up
    to the perpetrator and say he's a wonderful human being. He'll spin
    gossamer and rainbows from here to the moon.
     
    It's quite something to behold.
     
    http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2012/06/12/another-smoking-gun-the-fda-versus-the-people/
     
    On 6/16/2012 10:06 AM, a speciale wrote:

     

    Sam Clauder <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 12:15PM -0700  

    Prop 19 in 2010 was the best option voters have had since Prop 19 in 1972. Go raise $1 mil to put an initiative on the ballot and then you can criticize. Until then, suck on your bong and grace the rest of us with silence!
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

    Mendocino Medical Marijuana Advisory Board <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 03:25PM -0700  

    Major Tom to Mickey… AB2312 is our current problem, Prop 19 is
    history.
     
    AB2312 has big, big warts and you and I and Letitia and many others
    largely agree on what they are – there seems little point rehashing
    Prop 19 while in the midst of a REALLY serious battle.
     
    Best,
     
    Tom Davenport
    web admin – MMMAB
     
    On Jun 16, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Mickey Martin wrote:
     

     

June 15, 2012 – Digest for s..[email protected] – 25 Messages in 10 Topics

 

    Sam Clauder <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 07:40AM -0700  

    You reveal your bias and stupidity by opposing Prop 19. No reason anyone anywhere in this movement should listen to you. You shouldn't even have the privilege of posting to this newsgroup!
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

    Sam Clauder <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 07:48AM -0700  

    This is what you are all after: Destroying the unity which exists, and alienating quality people who have invested decades of their lives to cannabis prohibition repeal. Hell, who needs Feds and narcs to fight us when they've got you all on their side doing their job for them?
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

 

 

    MedCanSafety <s..[email protected]> Jun 15 09:48PM -0700  

    Classic Straw Man
     
     
     

     

 

 

 

    Jonathan Lustig <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 08:59AM -0700  

    Hiding under a rock?? Yeah, you know me quite well indeed, sir.
     
    Actually, I have been an active participant in this movement since 2004.
     
    For years I was one of very few individuals who consistantly approached city councils throughout Santa Clara County to educate them about and attempt to inspire them into helping those around us who suffer.
     
    In addition to participating in meetings with various state and local representatives, I have spoken on the microphone countless times to city councils, environmental committees and planning committees. As well as at public outreach meetings, protests, rallys and raids.
     
    I have established and orchestrated roughly 10 booths at various hemp expos, volunteering every moment in hopes of enlightening patients and non-patients about the medical benefits of cannabis and the legalities/illegalities of it.
     
    When I said that I approached National ASA, that is precisely what I did..the head of it.
     
    I was assured that we were not going to stand for the exploitation of patients in any manner especially the taxation of their medication.
     
    That is the type of organization I can be proud of being apart of, unfortunately it is blatantly obvious that I was misled or the head reconsidered the organizations principles.
     
    Where have I been?? On the frontlines with other volunteers.
     
    Enough about me, this is about the movement.
     
    Some words of advice to you, heed them if you so choose.
     
    Name calling is counterproductive and an indication of immaturity.
     
    Your verbiage is also hateful.
     
    The term 'marihuana' was created to disguise the cannabis tax.
     
    'Pot' was created by bigots referencing a tea that Hispanics manufactured with cannabis leaves.
     
    The definition of 'weed' is a "useless plant" in every dictionary.
     
    The scientific name for this miraculous plant is cannabis and has been so (similar spellings) for thousands of years.
     
    Using any of the oppositions words while attempting to have a discussion with others only hurts your credibility and the totality of the movement.
     
    Those words were created through hatred and ignorance.
     
    It parallels young black people "taking back the n word".
     
    Those types of words have no place in our civilized society.
     
    Honor the past freedom fighters by intellectually referring to this medication by its scientific name.
     
    The only way that we sustain being successful and victorious is if we keep a positive frame.
     
    I hope all is well.
     
    Rise, grind and shine.
     
    Obsessive Compulsive Corruption Unifying Peaceful Youth – Cannabis
     
    Jonathan Lustig
    Social Crusader
     
    Sent from Earth using Android technology

     

    Tim Perkins <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 09:20AM -0700  

    They've been here all along Sam, someone just created a non-list open
    email thread so you are actually hearing from more of them. This is
    exactly the kind of arrogant dismissive CENSORING that has gone on for
    decades on this issue and why you have some whacked out perspective that
    there has ever been any unity at all with the cannabis constituency
     
    .
    On 6/16/2012 7:36 AM, Sam Clauder wrote:

     

    Tim Perkins <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 09:07AM -0700  

    As I have said in the past, These bigoted slang terms need to go the way
    of the N word, and be as offensive to most as flying the stars and bars,
     
    These terms have no business in the language of law.
     
    On 6/16/2012 8:59 AM, Jonathan Lustig wrote:

     

    Tim Perkins <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 09:43AM -0700  

    I n regards to getting removed, good luck hiding from democracy in
    progress. Obviously there is much to be learned and those who find the
    sausage making of democracy distasteful should probably find another
    issue all together.
     
    This ones going to get uglier before it gets prettier.
    Taste the Rainbow.
     
    On 6/16/2012 9:22 AM, a speciale wrote:

     

    Sam Clauder <s..[email protected]> Jun 16 07:45AM -0700  

    The reason 215 was so simple was because Dennis got fed up with all the hacks, like you, who weren't satisfied with anything.
     
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    Jonathan Lustig <s..[email protected]> Jun 15 11:03PM -0700  

    The truth of the matter is, this was one of the worst decisions the organization which I am affiliated with the closest has ever made.
     
    I was assured by National that we were adamently opposed to any exploitation of patients which included the taxation of their medication.
     
    Prescription drugs aren't taxed here in California because we display sympathy and emphathy towards fellow citizens who are combating serious ailments.
     
    Those enduring pain around us didn't ask for their disease, disorder or disability…we need to immediately cease pretending there should be a luxury or sin tax on their medicine.
     
    Prescription drugs kill 200,000 Americans annually (100,000 from abuse and another 100,000 from as directed use) and injure 1.2 million. (Reiterating- In the US alone.)
     
    That is the equivalent of two fully loaded 747 jumbo jets crashing into eachother every day, of every week, of every month, of every year…everyone on board perishes, everytime.
     
    In over 10,000 years of WORLDWIDE cannabis consumption there have been 0 documented cases of death due to its ill-side-effects.
     
    Prescriptions, raw botanical herbs, raw botanical teas, raw oriental herbs, produce and the overwhelmingly vast majority of groceries are not taxed.. we should not feel comfortable taxing patients because they choose to utilize an alternative to toxic prescription drugs with a non-toxic solution which also happens to be the most beneficial medication that exists on earth.
     
    Anxiety? Pay up! Depression? Pay up! Epilepsy? Pay up! PTSD? Pay up! Migraine Headaches? Pay up! Multiple Sclerosis? Pay up!
     
    Aren't these patients 'paying up' enough?
     
    Attempting to balance any budget off the back of sick and suffering individuals is disgusting and deplorable.
     
    Sticking it to them financially before they become better, or before they die, is archaic and barbaric.
     
    Patients deserve mercy, not sacrafice.
     
    Many of us should be ashamed of ourselves.
     
    Lies hurt everyone while the truth heals us.
     
    Jonathan Lustig
    Social Crusader
    DontTax MyMedicine on Facebook
     
     
    Sent from Earth using Android technology.

     

 

    Terry Colorado <s..s@a2c2.us> Jun 14 07:24PM -0700  

    Thank you Lady Donna; much props and respect for standing tall; you are
    courageous!
     
    I recognized the pattern; i hope i did a good enough job holding pro-reg
    accountable.
     
    Thank you for your support and i do agree with you … greed is driving
    AB2312; and while people like Dan Rush may not be fully aware of that fact;
    its our job to make them aware.
     
    You are a Cannabis Warrior, Princess! (punctuation is correct)
     
     
    col0rado
    Herald at Arms
    of the Cannabis Nation
     
    marijuanahomepage.com
    #opcannabis